I can finally own a fully transforming Valkyrie as a poorfag
Michael's Valkyrie should have come with Klan, and Ranka with the Lucifer instead.
>>21023896>>21023902>4950yendamn that's megami device range, but why must other valkirye toys THAT expensive though?hasbro takara able to make complex transformation with durable plastic, and accurate representation with affordable price even limited by budget cuts, like pic and dozen others.is it really a pipedream wanting macross jets toys with similar execution
>>21023902>Merch ignoring the superior girls in order to focus on the shitty mainsSay it isn't so
>>21023896I might get the vf-31f despite already having the chogokin because I like kaname.Might also get the sheryl and vf-25 one
how do (you) pronounce gerwalk anons?also: best YF-21 kit?
>>21024073I'd buy the Kaname one.
>>21024110>best YF-21 kit?the Bandai one that's never ever going to come out
>>21024087Is the VF-31F considered Hayate's ultimate or final Valkyrie? Just like the YF-29 for Alto? I wanna buy a Macross kit and I want to get a mid season upgrade or final ones, but sadly, there's no fully transforming Durandal plamo AFAIK. Though I'm kinda interested too on VF-1S Roy's 2013 kit (I prefer it over Hikaru's personal VF-1S in DYRL? for symbolism purposes)
>>21024337I'm not sure what goes on in the second Delta movie, but doesn't Hayate use a Kairos instead of Siegfried there?
>>21024321Bruh that's a Chogokin.Speaking of which, man I hate that HG still gets to cockblock SDF stuff.
>>21023896Macross figures that aren't over priced to hell, gimme!>>21024110gerwalk
Does anyone know where I can find something other than Hasegawa Macross kits?
>>21024543Well there's Bandai kits.And at one time, Yamato released their own 1/60 V2 VF-1 figures in kit form, ostensibly for hobbyists to have an easier time doing custom paintwork compared to the no-color variant which was pre-assembled but unpainted.
>>21024337I mean he uses it most of the series before getting his back at the end so kinda? I mean in the second movie he gets a kairos plus instead of a seigfreid though there's no kit of it yet just the chogokin.
>>21024721But the VF-31J Kai is just the original with some few, minor additions, right? So, it's like the Exia R2 for Hayate? (VF-31F has higher performance I think)
>>21024387I swear Bandai's execs must be sniffing paint thinners, Angel Birds? Really? In this economy, with what other 1/48 Valks they've rolled out so far?Eh, good thing I already have a DX 1D. Now the incredibly out of scale fan racer will be able to troll some stunt pilots once more.
ARE YOU READY TO LISTEN TO HIS SONG, ON A SATURDAY DAY
>>21023928>but why must other valkirye toys THAT expensive though?Because otaku will buy it. That's it.You could ask any GW minis are that expensive or why random ironic nerd trash is that expensive.
>>21023928Honestly? Probably between the die cast metal on the Bandai DX toys, and the high level of precision needed of the molds to ensure the toys transform properly without either exploding in your hands or constantly scratching themselves into oblivion. Quality control is life or death on something like the Yamato 1/60 VF-1 V2 for example.
>>21023896Thoughts on Macross Delta?
>>21023896>PartsformingWouldn't be an issue if the SD Infinity Messiah didn't exist. That one had a smaller head so you wouldn't have to parts form it.At least it isn't the 1/100 Messiah.
>>21028433For some reason, a few years back I watched the SDF, Dyrl, and plus then decided to jump to the first Delta movie and using it as a replacement for the TV show since it recently came out. Didn't really like it a lot and felt the idol shit took too much. FF to now, I watched Frontier and really liked it. I wanna give the Delta show a chance since idol shit has grown on me and didn't mind it much in Frontier.
>>21028555Yeah, I have been looking into Delta, and the general impression seems that Delta was very idol heavy, even by Macross standards. Most Macross series carefully balance the Idol and Mecha aspects, where as Delta is more skewed towards idol.
>>21024073So are those chibi Delta ones new or old?
>>21028433I hear a lot of shit about it, but I've heard a lot of shit thrown at 7, and wouldn't you know it both seem to be the most music industry flavored entries in a franchise that traditionally incorporates the music industry as the major cultural export of the human diaspora. In other words, I dunno, it seems like a show where you have to know what you're in for to not feel bamboozled?
>>21028433"Muh wind" was lame as fuck. Macross going 00 like with fold quartz "magic" was also a bit much. Also having the big bads mo being almost the same as Frontiers doesn't help. Apple girl is best girl though so there is a silver lining. Really wondering what Kawamori is going to do with the next installment. Will he copy Gundam and flip the script by having it be a girl pilot fallling for a guy singer?
Alright, delta's movie bd will have English subs, same for the the Frontier short. Also, they confirmed that there's nothing stopping zero from being licensed and released.
>>21029577By Delta's movie do you mean Passionate Walkure or Zettai Live?
>>21029295New.They just got announced.
>>21029625The new one, zettai live.
>>21028290They showed Toki no Meikyuu.
>>21029640>>21029728Now all we need is Right Stuf to release the Brave Saga and Bamco to do a English compilation of SRW backlog. I think a real stretch of never ever hope would be Gothic Made getting a home video release.
>>21029760>Bamco to do a English compilation of SRW backlogWhat?
>>21029506I don't know. Given how polarizing 7 and Delta were, a future Macross anime (call it Macross Stealth" if you want) will more carefully balance out the Idol and Mecha elements to reach a wider audience, just like pretty much every other Macross anime. Since Big West and U.S. Gold settled their differences, "Macross Stealth" will be the first Macross anime officially released outside of Japan since Plus and SDF.
>>21030023>>Given how polarizing 7 and Delta were whiny dudes on the internet don't count
Both Delta (TV) and 7 have the same issue, they're too long for the story they're trying to present.
I wonder what the future of Macross will be?>2008: Events of Macross Zero>2009-2012: Space War I (events of SDF Macross)>2040: Events of Macross Plus>2045-2046: Events of Macross 7>2059: Events of Macross Frontier>2067: Events of Macross DeltaBTW if the main conflict of SDF Macross is Space War I, what happens in Space War 2?
>>21028533>PartsformingConfirmed, or just assumed from the big head?
>>21029987Much like Sunrise, Bandai Namco owns Banpresto.
>>21025682doesn't matter, it will sell ut in seconds. Tamashi Nations is making product for chinese scalpers nowadays, they give 0 shits about what (You) want
>>21030111Okay, still don't get what you mean by srw backlog
>>21029506there's already a show with gender swapped roles it's called Macross II and it rocks
>>21030130All the games that haven't had a English translation.
>>21030159I am aware but the reporter dude wasn't a music idol.
>>21030120Yeah but some of us have been waiting on a TV Kakizaki for a while to complete the Vermillion squad. It's going to sell gangbusters regardless, the DX VF-1 is that good a toy, but Bandai's release schedule has been mind-boggling at times.
>>21030093>BTW if the main conflict of SDF Macross is Space War I, what happens in Space War 2?Galactic Civil War between a bunch of colonies led by Eden and the central NUNS government on Earth?
>>21030214That could work for a future Macross anime. Gundam has dealt with civil conflicts before, notably the Gryps War from Zeta Gundam.
>>21030108>Confirmed, or just assumed from the big head?Unless that small piece where his head is suppose pop from is actually a head too, it's pretty clear that the big head is a part you remove for Gerwalk and fighter. Like I said, not the worst case for parts forming.
>>21030172>All the games that haven't had a English translationWhen's the last time they rereleased an older SRW game for a modern platform? Like Ace Combat, rereleasing games seems like licensing hell.
>>21030694Ah... Didn't see this pic. Makes total sense, due to the head size, but it kinda kills my interest in these.
>>21023896I noticed something weird about the Variable Fighters. Unlike IRL variable swept wing aircraft, most Valkyries-type VFs in fighter mode have a noticeable lack of horizontal stabilisers. I know this is a non-issue in space, but wouldn't Valkyries be aerodynamically unstable under most planet's gravity?
>>21033858its a plane that can transform into a robot, and THAT is the issue you have with it?
>>21033914Besides, wouldn't horizontal stabilisers interfere with the Super and Heavy parts?
>>21033858There are ways to deal with this, extreme vector thrust being one of them, which i would guess valkyries absolutely have as gerwalk would be otherwise impossible without it>>21033932You have two options for this:A) Make the stabilizers fold to accomodate the parts, then unfold when they are droppedB) Not put on stabilizers, as previously discussedC) Make the stabilizers removable and just like, don't use packs for atmospheric flight. I actually don't remember if there are any valkyries with packs used in atmosphere in the shows.Another option would be to make the packs used for atmo flight different so they can't be removed and place the stabilizers on them, or just make them not interfere
>>21034061>say two but put on three optionsi am terminally retarded
>>21033858Nope because the vertical stabilizers aren't perpendicular in relation to the wings. It is actually a little angled.
>>21034061Also, wouldn't horizontal stabilizers add drag, and be USELESS IN SPACE!?!?!?At this rate, IRL fighters might as well use extensive thrust vectoring, which would render stabilizers obsolete. Imagine how that will influence the designs of future variable fighters?
>>21034067Oh that kinda makes sense. The stabilizers rotate on the roll-axis too for transformation so they can change how much proportion vertical vs horizontal stabilization they provide just by turning them.
>>21023896>>21024073And I can have Hayate's one soon!
>>21030995Anon, outside of the head, it's the same level of partsforming as the 25 kit and DX toys.
>>21033858That's what the thrust vectoring is for.
>In July 2016, barely four years into its voyage toward the center of the Milky Way, all contact with the fleet abruptly ceased.>This information was never made known to the general public for fear it would jeopardize all ongoing and subsequent colonization efforts.Whatever happened to Megaroad-01? Did it go full Mad Max or something?
>>21035525Dead or they’re just chilling on some random planet
>>21035525Kawamori is a fucking wimp and will never resolve his love triangles
>>21035525In Macross Delta they mention contact was reestablished with the Megaroad-01.
>>21035525According the the new Delta movie, they got stuck in a Dimensional Fault after a space fold. It took a while but now they can apparently communicate with the outside."Lady M" mentioned in Delta is someone on Megaroad-01.The villain of the film is trying to use Protoculture tech to open a way into the Fault and destroy the Megaroad-01 and everyone on it.
>>21036000Sheryl clearly won the Frontier movies, and Freyja clearly won Delta movies and TV.
How will Variable Fighter evolve from the VF-31 Siegfrieds?
>>21037868Next main character valk should be fucking weird so no toy or kit of it can be made.
>>21037868It'll be another swing winger, because all leads are just flavors of 1, 4 and 19
>>21037953>Sv-303 VivasvatThat's pretty odd-ball. Makes sense, since valks have only gotten more sleek and stylish over the course of the Macross timeline. What's next, a transforming version of Mave from Yukikaze?
Thoughts on Macross THE FIRST?I noticed that only the first two chapters have been scanlated.
>>21038802I think Mikimoto's art evolved to become a very pleasant mix of retro and modern.
I'm a Gundamfag that finally got around to checking out the Macross franchise and after watching the first three episodes of the original series I think I might want to get into the franchise. Since there's so much of it do you have any recommendations for must watch and must avoid series/ovas for a newbie? Also did they ever import any good Macross games? Because unless I'm missing something none of the ps3 games were localized and there were no new games since then.
>>21039871can't you lurk more and decide for yourself? it's not like macross has 53 entries either.
>>21039884Can't you just not be an asshole for no reason? All it takes is not replying if you don't want to lend a hand, which I'll probably do.
>>21039936OK but what about a reissue of the Yf-19?Preferably with significantly less fucked vertical stabilizers?
>>210300932077-2090s probably not an idol group this time, probably a return to a smaller core cast/love triangle. More about protoculture and maybe a reveal one day about what happened to the Megaroad-02.
>>21036316Isn't Lady M HEAVILY implied to be Minmay and Megaroad trying to reestablish contact is the explanation for all the weird shit that's been going on in Macross since then?
>>21035525There was a weird-ass theory at one point where the Megaroad IS the Protoculture; they got stuck in a space fold and got sent eons back in time by accident, and the planet they colonize becomes the root of Protoculture civilization. Once they realize what's going on, they go back to the Solar System and leave stuff there for the original Macross crew to find.
>>21028433First half was enjoyable enough, but after JUNJOUUUUUUUU the show just wasn't fun anymoreAlso they killed Messar too early
>>21040047Lady M is just a survivor of Space War One. She’s meant to be like Charlie from Charlie’s Angels. There’s nothing hinting at her real identity and they never planned to reveal who she is.
>>21040055You’re confused. That’s literally the Robotech novel story.
Crunchyroll just announced they bought RightStuf. I wonder what does that mean for Macross going forward.
>>21039871Tell us your favorite Gundam, it will help recommend a Macross entry.
>>21042167>Hero Hei shill
>>21042514Those are some wide shoulders. I think Koenig Monster girl should have been based off a moe-fied Kanaria rather than a donut steel.
So anyone else got this?
>>21042994That could be Alberto Larrazábal's daughter Miiya.
>>21043015Right leg is loose on mine in Battroid mode, otherwise I love it. A good first DX for me.
>>21043045Loose right leg is an issue I've heard rather frequently with that release.
>>21043045If you open up the legs you can stuff a thin sheet of plastic (like bits of a package bubble) to fix the looseness.
>>21044034Be advised the legs may be heavily glued together.
>>21043015I was tempted to buy it but I ultimatly didn't.
>>21039871There's isn't actually that much Macross material, really; especially not compared to Gundam. There are only 4 TV shows, for one. The original show, SDF Macross from 1982, Macross 7 from 1994, Macross F(rontier) from 2008 and Macross Delta from 2016; most of which are shorter than the majority of Gundam shows to boot. The original show was 36 episodes, Macross 7 was 49 episodes, Frontier was 25 episodes and Delta was 26. As a recommendation, you're generally going to be better off starting with one of the shows, with the original show and Macross Frontier being the two that make the most effort to be friendly to new viewers. All of them are really, but Frontier is the TV show that makes the most effort in that regard in a way, since it homages the original so much in various ways and both 7 and Delta treat the idea of music as a weapon a lot more intrisincally from an in universe perspective from the off, while Frontier builds up to it more gradually.There are also some OVAs, Macross II and Macross Zero. Macross II doesn't really need any foreknowledge, but nothing really builds on it either, so I wouldn't say it makes more sense to view it as an entry to the franchise, while Zero explicitly references things in the original as a prologue to events in the show (and has a character from the original show as part of it), so is better viewed after the fact. Beyond that are the films. Most of which are alternate versions of a given show. So DYRL is an alternate telling of the original show, Macross 7 has two movies that mix up events, changing who the ultimate villain is, making some characters live who died etc. They're generally better viewed as companion pieces after seeing the show they build off of, rather than as a replacement.
As such, the original show or Frontier are probably your best bet for first entry. The original and production order is going to be the simplest answer, but if the art style is off putting or something, then Frontier is fine as an entry path. As with anything, opinion tends to vacillate on what's good/bad too. I like most everything in Macross personally, bar Delta. I loved the first episode for leaning so hard into existing ideas, and found it became increasingly dull after that almost immediately, since it ditched a lot of what the pilot sets up. A lot of people don't seem to love it, though often because they hate the idol aspect being so front and center instead. It's pretty common to find Macross II spoken of as quite immemorable as well.
>>21044791>>21044794Oh, I forgot to add Macross Plus as the one movie that is completely stand-alone. So much so that it was originally intended as it's own thing, but changed to be a Macross film for marketing reasons part way through production. As such, you can view it (or the OVA counterpart that mostly just slices up the film with a few changes to animation and expanded scenes) as it's own thing pretty safely. The fact it wasn't originally intended to be a Macross entry does mean it's not great as an indicator of what the rest of the franchise is though, for better or worse. I don't think it'd be a good entry point because of it personally, and genuinely find it kind of bland as a story with the finale undercutting a lot of the setup, but it certainly has a lot of fans so others will almost certainly disagree.
>>21044808Please bear in mind when people say, “Macross Plus wasn’t intended to be Macross originally” they mean the canceled Advanced Valkyrie Bandai sponsored model kit line. That was 1986 so at least 6 years before Plus was green lit. Kawamori has said Plus was made to get 7 made because that’s the story he wanted to do. They were simultaneous productions to achieve this goal.
>>21044906I was under the impression the core story of two pilots battling it out in the last manned fighters against an AI was part of another project originally. This is the first I've even heard of Advanced Valkyrie Bandai, or it having any impact on things. Which doesn't really seem to make sense as the source of that idea, since the name having the word Valkyrie in it implies it was a Macross idea all along.
>>21039871Everything is good to decent, so I'd recommend watching it all. Also a heads up, 7 is basically the ZZ of Macross. You'll get more enjoyment out of it once you stop thinking so hard (and once it gets about midway through).This list has the production watch order but is out of date.>Add Macross FB7 under Frontier >Macross Delta is last, with its two movies (Passionate Walkure and Absolute Live!!!!)
>>21044925I swear I post this interview every other thread but here. Maybe with Macross getting an official inroad we can get this information consolidated in a book. https://macrossworld.com/macross/translations/_translations_advancedvalkyrie.htm
>>21044943If you have posted "every other thread" then I've never seen you do so despite regularly frequenting Macross threads, and there being no other entry for that address in the archive. More to the point, nothing in that interview contradicts the idea that the core of the story was taken from another project. It says that the first inklings of what would become Macross Plus were taken from a story created for a Macross toyline; not that the story that Plus was seeded from wasn't originally something else. The story that it describes is only vaguely similar too, in that it focuses on test pilots being test pilots away from a battlefield. Not anything about them being the pilots of some of the last manned pilots, an AI enemy etc.
>>21033858>but wouldn't Valkyries be aerodynamically unstable under most planet's gravity?This is desirable in a fighter jet. All modern fighter aircraft are heavily unstable and require digital avionics to control
>>21044791>DYRL is an alternate retelling Kind of cool how Macross plays its canon loosely compared to other series. I think someone could watch either SDF or DYRL, accepting either as canon, and connect the dots easily going into Macross 7. And while DYRL is also an in-universe film, Exsedol Folmo has his DYRL design in M7. I just think thats kind of neat.>Macross 7 has two moviesI think you mean Macross F, but I agree that the two films are best as companion pieces.
>>21039871Avoid 7 and Delta and you're in for a good time.
>>21044962Plus is literally Advanced Valkyrie with music and love triangles added in because those are the other pillars of Macross. The planes even had Project Nova on them like Plus’s Supernova. Kawamori has said repeatedly Plus is based on “The Right Stuff” just like this.
8 more days till Walkure 5th Live information release.
>>21045083Cringe opinion. 7 is the height of the series.
>>21045083Fuck this, 7 and Delta are good.Not as good as the OG or Frontier but still good.Delta has Walkure, top0AGXN tier idol group.
>>21045606fucking mobile posting>top tier idol group
>>21043015Thought about it but I instead waited for Max's YF-29 and ordered it instead. I do want a VF-25 eventually, probably Luca's or Michael's maybe Altos dunno yet.
Where's the DX YF21, Bandai? Where are you hiding the trade show prototype!?
>>21045610Eat my ass