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What's the right word for the late 90's-early 00's mecha shows with a psychological edge, a conspiracy subplot and a mysterious vibe? People call them Eva-likes, but that word doesn't really fit them. And yet there is something that ties together stuff like Betterman, Argentosoma, Gasaraki, Rahxephon, Blue Gender, Neo Ranga, etc.
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evaclone
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It's grunge.
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>>20899450
Why does everything need a "Word?" Why do you faggots have to genre lock everything. Fuck you.
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>>20899450
>Eva-likes
i've never heard someone call them that >>20899462
is accurate
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>>20899450
>pic
This is a Hinoki thread now, post her.
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you got it, Hoss.
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>>20899450
>psychological edge, a conspiracy subplot and a mysterious vibe?

that's not why rahxephon is a clone.

it's a clone because you can 1:1 cells from either series and it was made in response.

pic related , not misato with not shinji.
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>>20899450
There isn't a name for it as far as I'm aware, at least on the english side.
I wouldn't be surprised if there might be a name for it in Japanese Otaku spaces since they tend to heavily categorize things, and most of their terminology doesn't reach us.
Also this trend wasn't limited to mecha shows. There was a noticeable shift in anime, and more specifically TV anime after Eva's success, it could be felt everywhere.
Sometimes I just refer to that time as "Post-Eva".
On a sidenote Eva was the prototype for Sekaikei stories.

>>20899473
While I agree with your concerns to some degree, classifying things can be helpful.
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Dumb hypothetocal question but if anno did his own take on some of these "clones" which one would he do?
Hopefully not pic related
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>>20899503
I really didn't find Rahxephon that similar to Eva aside from the broad strokes.
Also the way they handled battles was very different too.
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>>20899533
Genocyber came out before Eva though?
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>>20899528
>classifying things can be helpful.
It's reductive and does more harm than good.
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>>20899537
I am a legitmate dumbass anon pardon me but question remains.
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>>20899450
It's just edgecore. It's like taking the tone and feel of 80s OVAs and applying them to manga. 80s shows already had elements of what you're describing. Stuff like Madox, Bubblegum Crisis, Megazone 23, and Patlabor.

I would say the 90s took those elements and added a supernatural element and more drama.
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>>20899551
applying them to mecha*
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>>20899528
>classifying things can be helpful
No.
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As >>20899551 said. It's just a general genre or common plot devices across them. The fact that you think they are so unique as to require a 'name' implies your own perspective is limited and you need to read/watch/etc more stuff.

>>20899528
>classifying things can be helpful.
Can-be. Not always. When it comes to media the most you actually need is general genre and medium and/or creator and country. This endless reduction of subcategory upon subcategory goes to such an extend that it completely destroys it's value and meaning.
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>>20899533
>>20899547
holy shit fuck off
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>>20899567
It was a simple question for shits n giggles not sure why it would incite such rage. Take your pills anon
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>>20899591
Not him but "What if Anno made X" is just dumb basic what if that gets repeated ad nauseam everywhere.
Idiots always get so insulted when their low effort 'just for laughs man' topic starter gets shut down as if it was going to lead to this once in a lifetime discussion.
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>>20899539
>>20899558
I don't think so.
At worst I've seen that there are times where it limits an audience or creative's perceptions of a work.
But people like that would have trouble analyzing media regardless whether they were aware of labels existing or not.
Even a very broad label like "Mecha" can do that.
This kinda stuff is moreso for people who want to compare and draw certain connections between certain aspects of works.
An example would be pointing out Turn A's use of Pastoralism and Art Deco elements.

>>20899566
I never said always though, I said "can be" for that reason.
>destroys it's value and meaning
how?
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>>20899603
The problem is that you want to put things in a box because you think it'll be fun, but then you make increasingly smaller and more "precise" boxes with arbitrary parameters and stupid people start doing stupid stuff like >>20899533.
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>>20899602
Wasnt aware thanks anon.
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>>20899450
Ignorant zoomers call them evaclones, but the fact is that a large portion of media in the late 90s, whether it was film, cartoons or comics, contained edgy psychological conspiratorial elements. Just look at the Matrix or anime that predate Eva such as Patlabor 2. We used like to call it edge. 90s edge.
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>>20899614
Yeah but unfortunately guys wanna catagorise it all, Blue Gender is just Edgy Starship Troopers ripoff that keeps the bugs for example
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>>20899603
>This kinda stuff is moreso for people who want to compare and draw certain connections between certain aspects of works.
You are literally in a niche specialty media community. You can't exactly pull that card, anon. Spoilers: You can what you said by actually having meaningful discussion on the subject. Not just sticking more and more labels on it in an attempt to look informed.
Unless you are talking about fart sniffers or perhaps you are one. Then which case you are already lost.
>I never said always though, I said "can be" for that reason.
Are we going to do circles with semantics and the meaning of never?
And the meaning is lost because most if not every category after the first two is just a attempt to correct the incorrect implication the category before it implied and it just keeps going and going while still never actually correctly or meaningfully codifying it.
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>>20899473
so you can hopefully find more stuff like this instead of typing out "yeah i'm into late 90's-early 00's mecha shows with a psychological edge, a conspiracy subplot and a mysterious vibe" every time
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>>20899450
There's not really a dedicated name for it outside of maybe "Y2Kcore" where it centralizes vibes of futurism, cyberpunk, transhumanism/occultism and a general cynicism towards the nature of man and his relationship to the world. It's effectively an inverse of the 50's-60's space age era that was defined more as generally hopeful and adventurous despite all of the grim background noise they usually had.
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>>20899611
Did you think it was a a clever question? I am not even trying to be insulting. I'll assume your 'just 4 giggles mate' was a coverup.

What exactly would have come from your question?
"I dunno probably would turn out like the rebuilds?"
Is that about right?
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>>20899632
The term exist and it's called psychological thriller.
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>>20899632
But that is exactly what OP is implying.
anime ->mecha ->psychological ->conspiracy ->mysterious ->romance ->NTR ->evalite ->procedurally generated
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>>20899635
it's the same retard that asks "what would a Shin X movie look like?" in kaiju threads
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>>20899635
Not really ? Wasnt a cover up either i fully am unaware that caused such vitriol because im sorta newfag
>>20899648
Thats not me i dont know who you are talkimg about.
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>>20899653
>Wasnt a cover up either i fully am unaware that caused such vitriol because im sorta newfag
Well like i said. In general, what ifs are pretty low hanging fruits. Because again what exactly would have come from it?
The answer is they would be the Rebuilds, because that is literally what they are. Or just the eva series but again.
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It's always funny how anime nerds have to come up with new terms for genres long established outside of anime
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>>20899677
Name 5 instances.
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>>20899686
Battle shounen is just wrestling.
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>>20899686
psychological
conspiracy
mystery
edgy
supernatural
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>>20899686
Do you also think slice of life was invented by anime?
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>>20899473
>>20899632
This.
Words are useful because when I forget a name such as "Josouko Hatten-kei" and want to find it I can type up "Gyaru crossdressing trap exhibitionism" and find it easily along with others like it I may enjoy.
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>>20899677
>>20899691
Mystery. Psychological, and Supernatural have existed as genre and genre-adjectives long before anime.
People have been doing this for ages.
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>>20899624
>You are literally in a niche specialty media community.
I don't think the comparisons are limited to just those within anime though.
I brought up Turn A as an example because many of its influences came from outside of its medium.

>And the meaning is lost because most if not every category after the first two is just a attempt to correct the incorrect implication the category before it implied and it just keeps going and going
I think this is only an issue if you're trying to work out a single hyper descriptive term(at which case yeah a conversation would be better) instead of using multiple.
Like saying Eva is a Mecha-Psychological Thriller instead of Eva is a mecha and a psychological thriller.
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>>20899536
>I really didn't find Rahxephon that similar to Eva
because it's not
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>>20899700
No one said anime invented those terms, your reading comprehension is the opposite of what was said
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>>20899694
>I can type up "Gyaru crossdressing trap exhibitionism"
"faggot shit" will also suffice
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>>20899694
Yes because far better for anime to be reduced to retard fetish shit instead of valuing shows based on actual merit and context
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>>20899634
>"Y2Kcore"
I like this term, the only problem is if you didn't live through that era then you will have a hard time understanding what the term is trying to convey, but then again fuck zoomers anyways.
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>>20899828
>I like this term
You must be a zoomer then.
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>>20899528
I wonder how much of it was Eva just being at the right time and place though? It seems like many OVAs were already going in that kind of direction tone wise. And the OVA market was shrinking right from about 92 onwards. Other early 90s TV anime like Blue Seed and Metal Fighter Miku already started to feel like importing over OVA styled content to TV before Eva, and the increase of these kind of TV anime rose proportionally as the OVA market died.
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>>20900055
Eva feels nothing like an OVA.
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>>20900060
The more "adult" oriented content ( gore, more explicit and disturbed sexuality, to give some example), the dour mood, heavier psychological focus, and all that, was nearly nowhere to be found in TV anime through 86-93, but could be found in some OVAs. OVAs were multifaceted, they could be Urotsukidouji or a Creamy Mami special, or anything inbetween, but they did open up room for content that couldn't be aired on TV, until the mid 90s when OVAs started to die and more of that content made it's way into TV anime.
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>>20899450
アニメ
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>>20901972
this ain't アニメ
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>>20899827
>missing the point this badly
you're retarded
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>>20899450
>half of the thread is filled with overreactive nerds with 0 social skills sperging out over a suggestion
classic /m/
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>>20901984
The fact that only half the thread is calling a retard, retarded is the sad part.
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Man, Betterman is actually a pretty good looking show, why is it trapped in such an awful aspect-ratio with such a shitty encode?
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eva clones
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>>20899536
Shut up Westley.
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>>20902289
Categorizing is a form of low latent autism.
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>>20899536
It's similar on a surface level. It's true that some design and some sequences look almost ripped off, especially in some episodes but as a whole they're very different.
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>>20899473
>>getting mad at the concept of semantic organization

never change, 4chan
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>>20902289
You're using that word wrong, ironic.

>>20902361
There's an entire website dedicating to showing how every single episode has several sequences that are taken 1:1 from NGE. Come on now.
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>>20902377
1:1 stolen from eva
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>>20902361
Please don't be laughable.
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>>20902382
Please open your ass wider anon, Izubuchi-san still can't enter it.
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>>20902382
Have a taste of your shame.
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>>20902382
Its okay, I won't tell anybody you're a faggot.
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>>20902382
Hello, Yutaka-kun here, thanks for defending me against honest people with two eyes in the middle of the face anon!
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>>20902382
Even the useless stuff is copy/pasted. There's no one fucking single line not taken from Eva lol.
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>>20902297
It is honestly the most subpar form of autism.
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>>20902409
>Evangelion invented Dazai Osamu and Japanese cultural tropes
thanks for proving the point
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>>20902426
eva was created in a bubble
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>>20902397
squiggly lines amirite
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>>20899677
Anime nerds trying to pigeonhole anime into a "genre" when it's used to represent any other genre is another
same with western animation
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>>20902823
what
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>>20899450
isnt the word "dream logic"?
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>>20899533
Why genocyber of all things? Wtf?
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>>20899551
I think Zeorymer is a good example of an OVA that could have easily been expanded into a 1 cour show show and aired 10 years later instead. It would seem totally natural if the designs were a bit different. It has the conspiracies and plot twists, the world ending stakes, is psychological drama focused, and dark tone.
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>>20903802
But it didn't and you are fat.
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>>20899450
>What's the right word for the late 90's-early 00's mecha shows with a psychological edge, a conspiracy subplot and a mysterious vibe?
Evalikes
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Sekaikei
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>>20907181
Eva-likes are sekai-kei but only a small subset of it, sekai-kei predated Eva and is more than Eva-likes.
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>>20907181
Sekaikei might as a well be an actual buzzword.
It's not even as widely used as your local Japan Culture expert would want you to believe.
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Man some people really get triggered over any mention of sekaikei because they're brainlets who can't understand what it means huh.
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>>20907205
Industry professionals, creators, and critics use it. Cope harder.

Eren is a protagonist who actually develops, and a breath of fresh air in that sense. In creating his character, were you reacting against sekai-kei stories (i.e. stories in which relationship problems revolving around the protagonist turn out to bear directly upon the fate of the world)?

Isayama: Hard to say. In terms of making him a strong or weak character, I originally planned to make him weak, but I had no idea what he would be like on the inside. He’s a character I created because the story called for someone like him.

–A medium through which to explain the universe you’d made.

Isayama: You could say that. Eren is a character who I figured out as I went along. When the manga got adapted into an anime and I got to hear Eren’s voice, that helped me flesh him out, too. I mean, these Titans show up all of a sudden, and he’s not only unafraid, but decides to go kill them? That’s just not a realistic character. But then while he may say those things, you can hear a weakness in his voice actor’s voice, which makes it sound like he’s bluffing. I’ve started to like Eren as a character more and more ever since.

–Interesting — so the character came into focus for you from watching the anime adaptation?

Isayama: It did. Tetsuro Araki, the director, and Yuki Kaji, Eren’s voice actor, had a good approach to him. The anime’s impact on the manga is by no means small.
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>Rahxephon
Just copypasting that old explanation of the story:

The Mulian world MU and Earth are parallel worlds overlapping that will eventually destroy each other. This is a natural phenomenon.

Renegade Mulian scientist Barbem made the Xephon System which consists of two robots, Rahxephon and Belxephon. The system can rewrite the clashing worlds into one, saving it from destruction, and activates through a ritual in which the two robots fight, and the winner's Orin (pilot) decides what the resulting world will be like subconsciously. This is the tuning.

Ayato is Rahxephon's Orin, while Kuon (his biological mother) is Belxephon's. The stuff about them and Itsuki should be clear enough from the show.

Yolotheotl is the state of the Orin becoming worthy of the Xephon and enabling it to participate in the ritual. The Ishtori are manifestations of the Xephons' will (never seen in the show, but Belxephon/Kuon's Ishtori takes on Ayato's form).

The two factions, Earth and MU, think that the tuning results in one world surviving and the other being destroyed. The whole show is basically people trying to influence Ayato and Kuon so that the tuning will benefit them more. Ayato was kidnapped because if left the way he was at the beginning of the series, his winning would have had him create a world completely beneficial to the Mulians, and since he was unaware of the outside world, it might have erased everything except Mu entirely.

Barbem, being a mad scientist, wasn't trying to save the world(s), he just wanted to see his creations remake everything, and did not tell anyone that the worlds can actually be combined into one.

Also people claiming Rahxephon can rewrite reality are retards who didn't watch the show, it can only do so only when fulfilling the conditions which took Barbem thousands of years to get right, and even then nobody really has any control over any of it; It creates an ideal world according to the Orin's subconscious.
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>>20907218
Kuon and Maya are the twin Mulians that were found and taken in by Rikudou. Ayato and Itsuki are Kuon’s biological twin sons (genetically engineered, biological father is Watari). Maya ran away with Ayato resulting in the age gap with Itsuki due to Tokyo Jupiter’s time shit. Also Watari was married to Maya and they were raising Ayato as their son together before the war but Maya erased those memories when she took him with her.

The Ishtori takes on the form of the person most precious to the Orin. For Kuon it's her son Ayato. For Ayato it's his first love Haruka, but his memories of her were also erased by Maya.

In layman’s terms

Orin = pilot
Ishtori = Basically the robot’s AI
Yolotheotl = Getting good

So “Reika” hounding Ayato calling him orin and telling him to reach yolotheotl is the Rahxephon itself saying “hey pilot get your shit together” to him

The problem is that they never outright spell out what each made-up word means so people get confused. Instead it’s stuff like “Orin you must become yolotheotl so that your orin will also yolotheotl and as orin in yolotheotl you will be one with ishtori to begin the tuning”

When Reika refers to orin while speaking to ayato but not saying it AT him directly it actually means “the other orin” = Kuon
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>>20907215
You do understand something being a buzzword doesn't stop being a buzzword because 'Industry professionals, creators, and critics' use it right?
A buzzword is a buzzword. This isn't some hurrr fun is a buzzword bullshit rant. The way sekaikei is used the majority of the time is essentially as a buzzword.
And it's still not used as often as you want us to think, Mr Local Japan Culture Expert-san.

And concerning the rest of what you said, literally no one besides maybe OP has show they don't 'understand' Rahxephon. Instead of grabbing your old copypaste you should have read the thread.
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>>20907235
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>>20899450
"Eva clone" used to be the word for them but it sounds dismissive.

The problem is Evangelion WAS a watershed anime, and a lot of similar mecha projects got produced in the following years. Evafags in the west refuse to appreciate other mecha series because it threatens their "Eva invented and perfected psychological mecha" myth. People who hate Evafags refuse to acknowledge the impact Eva had because they don't want to grant it a fraction of the fabled "influence" that Evafags constantly talk about.

Eva ushered in an era of short, relatively more plot-driven, more adult-oriented, psychological and mysterious mecha shows. Maybe that era was naturally coming anyway, and Eva happened to come out right at the beginning and be a huge success. Or maybe Eva being a success started the boom. I choose to believe it's somewhere in the middle, since Brain Powerd and Nadesico were in the works before Eva despite having some similarities. Regardless, they're still part of that watershed moment that Evangelion spearheaded.
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>>20907642
Yeah this is the problem with trying to make something fit a categorization because most people will use it in a vague way for something they "feel" about it but then you have a lot of detractors that try to tear the categorization apart because of their personal feelings. Ultimately, nothing will come from it besides a couple recs you could've gotten yourself by not being a lazy fuck at best and an entire shitstorm that lasts multiple threads for years to come at worst.
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>>20907580
Typically you write something before your signature, anon.
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>>20907642
>Eva ushered in an era of short, relatively more plot-driven, more adult-oriented, psychological and mysterious mecha shows.
It did not
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>>20907681
You say this, but can you prove it?
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>>20907681
read the next sentence in my post
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>>20907642
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head.
There was already a shift in the community for mecha shows that either twist or play with what people assumed the mecha genre should be around the mid 90s after almost 2 decades of it. Eva just came out right at the start of the trend and helped open the floodgates for it. It's similar to Gundam and Macross in the sense that they simply made the investors basically go all in for similiar stuff, which Gundam being more war oriented non-super mecha and Macross basically kickstarting the transforming robot era.

The reason I don't like to use Evaclones as a term is because it's a very Western mindset that ignores the decades of mecha histroy that had been built upon and inspired it.
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>>20907642
The biggest flaw with your argument is the timeline. Eva failed during its TV run, go major cuts multiple times during its run, lost sponsors, and changed timeslots in the middle of its run. Its big cultural success happened in 1998 following the 1997 release of End of Eva.
Prior to that you can literally just look at anime pop culture from 95 to 97 and see that Eva was an irrelevant blip while Nadesico completely dominated the market, even still controlling most of the mind share until 2000.
Most "Eva clones" don't even enter production until 2000 and the actually clones started coming out in 2003 to 2005, which is then shut down almost entirely because Gundam Seed destroyed everything.
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>>20907701
The post itself admits that works called evaclones actually have developments that predate eva itself

>>20907702
I read your entire post, you're wrong Eva did not usher in an era of short, relatively more plot-driven, more adult-oriented, pscyhological and mysterious mecha anime.
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>>20907642
Having any argument while using 'evafag' as a serious term and implying it's something unique is flawed. Evafags are either just hyper obsessed fans or casual viewers who don't know any better or some combination of each. Something that exists in any fandom.
Eva was a watershed moment because of was the one that got extremely popular. Not exactly because it was this one off event. It was an eventuality and a product of the era.
Your 'short, relatively more plot-driven, more adult-oriented, psychological and mysterious mecha shows' already existed and is the time in which eva was created. Not the other way around. Nor was it short.
The reality is that they are only called evaclones because eva got insanely popular. Not because they copied eva while is a aspect that has already gone into detail.

Overrall it's just another facet of how media works and isn't exactly noticeable. However since most of the anime fandom as a whole only ingest only a limited amount of anime and manga and few else outside of the medium anything and everything slight out of the norm is mind blowing.
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>>20907719
>Evafags are either just hyper obsessed fans or casual viewers who don't know any better
I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.
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>>20907722
I pointed it out because my overall point was most of the unique aspects that people associate with eva are infact, not unique to eva.
It's called reading comprehension.
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>>20907707
>Its big cultural success happened in 1998 following the 1997 release of End of Eva.
I didn't know this, that's interesting. I don't think I've seen any of the "actual" clones. None of the so-called "eva clones" that I've seen from the late 90s felt directly inspired by Eva at all, they just had cosmetic similarities and a similar overall structure. I guess that explains that.

>>20907719
Naming the "evafag" is necessary because NGE's importance and influence is so mythologized in the western anime community. Not every fandom does this.

It's because Eva fans know about Evangelion's "influence" but, because of ignorance of everything that came before it, their understanding of it became out of touch with reality. Eva was the first mecha series to not be about selling toys. Eva was the first mecha series to have dark content. Eva is the "Star Wars" of Japan, etc.

It's a consequence of anime fans getting into the medium through physical releases in the 90's and 00's and nothing before then. It seems to be changing now. Like how Tomino seems to get more respect now instead of just being the crazy Garzey's Wing meme guy.
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>>20907719
Basically this. But as an addendum, fuck evafags.
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>>20907734
>they just had cosmetic similarities and a similar overall structure
That's what make them clones.
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>>20907642
Eva came out in a time where sekai-kei started becoming a thing. See >>20907201
YU-NO was developed before Eva's airing.
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>>20907734
>I didn't know this, that's interesting.
you're an idiot, that dumbfuck is confusing eva with gundam
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>>20907734
>I didn't know this
Because it isn't a thing.
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>>20902409
They're both inspired by Raideen you retard. Stfu with this yandev shit.
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This post >>20907719
is more in line with how i view the whole "evaclones" topic as well.

This one is not half bad >>20907642
but "era of short, relatively more plot-driven, more adult-oriented, psychological and mysterious mecha shows"

That's a problem because series like ideon (1980) zeorymer (1988) osamu tezuka phoenix series etc can fit perfectly in-line with that description.
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>>20910557
>zeorymer
lmao
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>>20910565
It's better than Eva.
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>>20902397

See how evaonlyfags such as yourself is so pathetic? You don't know eva has a lot of "almost identical" or similar shot composition from other mecha shows as well.

So is eva a rip-off of megazone 23 here in pic-related than too? Come on now.
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>>20910581
It's a shitty OVA adaptation at best, it's good for what it is but that's about it.
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>>20910581
Please do not go there. There's several examples that can be pointed out that fits, but those were just at the top of my head.
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>>20910557
Ideon is not short, and the aesthetic is comepletely different. If the Ideon looked like pic related, and it was a 26 episode series with a dense plot, then it would be different.

I should have just said "an era of similar shows (to eva)" so that people don't fuss over the semantics like this. Yeah, Ideon has adult themes, we all know. But it's nothing like an "eva clone," or whatever you want to call them.
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>>20910916
It's a proto-eva, much like Mazinger and Ultraman.
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The problem is limiting it to mecha anime when stuff like Lain and the Boogiepop anime fit the aesthetic. Gen X-ish X-Files MTV visuals stuff.
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>>20910916
>Ideon is not short,
Didn't say it was.
>But it's nothing like an "eva clone," or whatever you want to call them.
That wasn't what my post was saying let alone implying.

Ideon is
>adult-oriented, psychological and mysterious
zeorymer is
>short, relatively more plot-driven, more adult-oriented, psychological and mysterious
Tezuka's phoenix series
>All of the above
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>>20899450
Eva clones
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>>20899473
they need find buzzwords that they can abused the hell out.
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>>20901984
more like dumb thread made by dumb zoomer get BTFO by sperging nerd
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>>20907662
beautiful
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>>20911238
>zeorymer
>relatively more plot-driven
bro it's about T&A
>short
that's an understatement
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>>20911238
You did say it was and you're being pedantic.
Evangelion ushered in an era of shows that were similar in aesthetic and structure to Evangelion. What was that aesthetic? Mysterious, grungey, and adult-oriented. What was that structure? Short (~25 episodes) and more plot driven.

So yeah, Eva ushered in an era of short, relatively more plot-driven, more adult-oriented, psychological and mysterious mecha shows. That doesn't mean short mecha shows did not exist before Eva. Nor plot-driven ones. Nor adult-oriented ones. It means that Evangelion inspired a lot of shows that were similar to Evangelion. How were they similar? Because they were short, relatively more plot-driven, more adult-oriented, psychologycal and mysterious mecha shows.

I need to stop posting on /m/, man. I hate having to re-explain every post I make to autists like you who can't understand english.
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Look at this absolute Evangelion retard go. What a dumb piece of shit. The greatest tragedy in the world is stupid people.
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Speaking of Betterman, I watched it recently and I didn't expect them to kill half of the cast in the final arc.
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So OP's question was...

what's the right word for the late 90's-early 00's mecha shows with a psychological edge, a conspiracy subplot and a mysterious vibe?

The answer...

MD Geist (1996, director's cut)
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>>20912793
>Putting words in my mouth
Ok I'll play some games too. Where specifically did i say ideon was short>>20910557

Since I was merely using 3 general examples as a response to what you said: "era of short, relatively more plot-driven, more adult-oriented, psychological and mysterious mecha shows"
You're gonna make this complicated?
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>>20913204
AND it’s better than Eva and it’s fandom
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the coloring for alot of those shows from that era of anime was so nice
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>>20914824
>that spring doll
Nice
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>>20914649
Kurosawa anime fucking when?
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>>20914649
>That's a problem because series like ideon (1980) zeorymer (1988) osamu tezuka phoenix series etc can fit perfectly in-line with that description.
>perfectly in-line with that description
Here retard.

You're getting hung up on trying to prove to me that other mecha shows with adult themes existed prior to Eva, when I never implied that they didn't.
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>>20915468
>pedantic fuck blames others of being pedantic fucks

Heh
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>>20915468
Wow you are the only fag in this thread that's being pedantic.

>can CAN fit perfectly in-line with that description
That can be any of the other shows i brought up doesn't have to be ALL of them or IDEON specifically. Use common sense autistic retard.
Learn to read in between the lines. ESL-kun.
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>>20915976
>le smug anime girl
Fuck off tourist scum.
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>>20915468
>You're getting hung up on trying to prove to me that other mecha shows with adult themes existed prior to Eva, when I never implied that they didn't.
I don't think anyone is hung up on anything let alone on petty semantics as much as you are. Your wording in that first post was flawed. Which is whatever. Who cares.
But if your going to tell me you didn't imply something that you never said (which it true) while claiming i directly said something i didn't, is pretty rote. No retarded.
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>>20915984
Is that you again pedantic anon?
You didn't bitch about the kurosawa one why you bitching now about this one? Garbage isekai? Yeah genre sucks ass i agree.
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>>20899450
Every show you just listed was originally broadcast on the newly formed premium Satellite broadcasting network WOWOW, the first of which was brain powerd.
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>>20899528
Please stop getting your opinions and thoughts from Youtube videos.
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>>20916093
Not enough people bring up what a big deal this was in that era. It let studios get away from network broadcasting standards about what you could even show on TV. It was also a new platform so execs were more willing to throw money at experimental projects to see what would stick.
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>>20916093
>>20916098

>Makes the first medieval fantasy anime a decade before it gets huge
>Does the first wowow satelite show
>Does one of the first ONAs a decade before they would become a standard format for Sunrise

Tomino really always is ahead of the curve isn't he?
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>>20902382
>1:1 stolen from ideon?
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>>20899636
American Psycho is my favorite late 90's-early 00's mecha shows with a psychological edge, a conspiracy subplot and a mysterious vibe.
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>>20902000
When did this image get so overly busy?
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>>20918152
Not only is your post devoid of any insight and shows a complete lack of comprehension on your part, but you're also dumb enough to put apostrophes when trying to write decades. God you're fucking pointless.
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>>20918461
You don't understand semantics.
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>>20902409
Honestly you raging faggot, Raideen has a character literally named Asuka Rei and you come here talking about how Rahxephon copied Eva lol
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>>20899551
>madox
>edgy
Am I the only one on /m/ that actually watches things
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>>20920364
is there any good full translations for raaideen yet. I need to watch asap.
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>>20920511
probably
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>>20914824
It’s that autopilot from airplane movie
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>>20899504
>>20899510
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>>20899450
I'd just call it Digipaint because they all have that bright color low shade look to them.
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>>20916093
>>20916098
WOWOW is more into live action content nowadays. Haven't seen them be under an anime production committee in years.
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>>20920853
Then learn nip.
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>>20920284
It's not semantics. Just because something is a psychological thriller doesn't mean it isn't also mecha. You and your post are stupid and pointless, it's just a fact you'll have to live with.
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>>20921140
The subject of this thread is significantly more specific than "psychological thriller" which is a single minor element of it. The first post you responded to already had "psychological edge" in its description, you neither added nor summarized anything.
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>>20920997
Man could have shattered that guy for how awkward he made that situation
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>>20903802
Zeorymer is fine for 4 episodes
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>>20903802
If being a TV anime would have made Zeorymer more popular I'd love that reality. It's such an awesome OVA, even with that crappy ending.
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>>20899450
Sekai-kei.
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>>20922419
>What's the right word for the late 90's-early 00's mecha shows with a psychological edge, a conspiracy subplot and a mysterious vibe?
mecha psycho thriller, insecure brainlet
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>>20924657
Could have =/= should have.
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>>20934387
What is this from?
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>>20924657
Last episode is rushed with them having to deal with the last 3 Hau Dragon members, Masato's psychological mess and Yuretei so each aspect feels lesser than it could have been.
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>>20934482
Obari's attempt at making a serious show, Ordian.
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>>20899533
>Dumb hypothetocal question but if anno did his own take on some of these "clones" which one would he do?
He'd make a Nadia-clone and call it Eva.
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>>20903643
Anno the animator would do really well with Genocyber's material.
Anno the director/writer would ruin it.
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>>20914824
Piyoko
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>>20899450
>>20899700
>>20900055
I've noticed in many other 90s media, not just anime, there seemed to be quite a trend with cryptic mysteries, sometimes featuring esoteric paranormal imagery or themes
>Evangelion and whatever else is considered for this thread
>The X-files (though this may be kind of a stretch)
>Twin Peaks
>This Ace of Base video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWjCStB6k4o
>Por el Nombre de Dios (Action were a cop has to find a baby that will utter the secret name of God and bring forth the apocalypse. I know this may be literal who but it shows that there was a trend people (in this case one of the biggest Argentinian TV producers) were hopping to, just look at the intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEg4imdR8xI)
I know paranormal has always been a popular niche, but again, it's not just about it, but also the cryptic nature of the works. Any other examples?
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>>20899450
As others have said EvaClone is the best descriptor, for better and worse Evangelion opened the floodgates for those types of stories. Every studio was looking to cash in by asking the weird guys they usually ignored to do something strange. It's really that simple.
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>>20945750
Wrong. So many of these do called "evaclones" existed before Eva. Genocyber would be called one by evafags if it came out after Eva since they love to grasp at any straws of the idea that other ripped off Eva so they feel Eva is that much of a better show than them. The show is not that original.
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>>20945865
>making up imaginary situations to get mad at
The inner workings of the average evahater.
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>>20945941

Naw I love eva i hate evafags tho & evaclones barely even exist (there's only like 2 of them at the most) & that's a fact:

http://landofobscusion.blogspot.com/2019/07/investigating-eva-clone-part-1-you-can.html
http://landofobscusion.blogspot.com/2019/08/investigating-eva-clone-part-2-are-any.html
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>>20936963
whats this?
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>>20945865
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>>20946976
I already answered it.
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>>20946976
an evaclone
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>>20918103
This makes me want to draw up some retro space Asukas and plugsuit Kashas
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>>20951859
Do it fag.
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>>20951859
Get to sharping those pencils anon.
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oh are you just going to bump this thread for months again? guess I'll block this one too :)
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>>20962191
Midwits made this while nitwits love to post this.
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>>20962191
This image is giving me cancer



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