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I dunno about you guys but I could never be a Gundam pilot in real life. That cockpit looks claustrophobic as fuck, barely any space to move your arms and legs. Not to mention you can only see via a camera and your Gundam's "eyes" are actually above where you're sitting. Would be really disorienting. And if the electronics die you're stuck inside that tiny space in a hunk of metal and you can't see out of it. That's scary.
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>>20665897
The later mobile suit cockpits with the virtual 360 degree view seem anything but claustrophobic.
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Have zoomers really never been in an arcade cabinet?
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>>20665905
I actually did go in an Unreal Tournament arcade cabinet once at the Adventuredome, maybe in... 2003? 2004? And it was like a box a door on the side that you closed when you went in. I hated it and wanted to play with the door open.
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>>20665897
Do you guys not drive cars or something?
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>>20665904
Yeah they track your head position to produce false depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw Its a very convincing illusion.
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>>20665943
No.
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>>20665897
>OP's Pic
Is there still no "official" explanation for the panoramic cockpit for ZZ's core fighter?
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>>20665963
If you don't drive cars, you're probably not going to like a more complex machine then? Enjoy being deck crew or doing stuff with drones from behind you gaming PC ass looking rig?
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>>20665970
There never was. At least with later shows they remembered to address that since suits with core fighters like the Victory series and the G-Self have partial panoramic monitors.
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>>20665979
Cars have a ton of space to move around in though, and a bunch of windows to see out of. You can see everything coming through the glass.
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>>20665897
>piloting a Gundam
Fuck that, I want to be a Gundam.
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>>20666028
idk, this reads as more spacious than a car with a lot more room
I also really like that in a mecha, I'm not literally surrounded by a crumple zone that can easily deform into me in the event of a collision at common earth atmospheric speeds: that's like two layers away from me, with a meter of metal around me in every direction to deform and protect me if something happens. The mobilesuit generally tends to bounce. You try doing that in a fighter or a helicopter or even a car. I feel way way safer and protected.

You do realize tanks are worse, right? Tank drivers have less room, and in turn they have dogshit visibility and they literally lay on their backs in many cases.
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>>20666059
Generally you need extra material for it to crumple and not potentially ruin the structural strength of the body, for a car the crumple zones are usually the front and rear, the engine and trunk compartments deform to protect the cabin. I'm not sure a spherical shell has a lot of freedom to crumple since it's meant to be airtight, it'd have to not just deform but stretch to maintain a seal.
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>>20666033
ok setsuna
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>>20666033
Your attitude is correct.
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>>20665979
Fuck that looks cool. My dream setup is now this
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>>20665979
Why so aggressive? Sounds like someone couldn't pass the pilot test.
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>>20665897
i also remember Shiro barely surviving Norris in the dark while trying to fix the EZ8 in a hurry
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>>20666476

Shiro wasn't exactly top of the class as a pilot, and 08th MS Team's main method to show how impressive Norris was as a pilot was to make everyone else facing him a complete moron, with all the grace, precision and sense of a drunk bull stumbling through a China shop.
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>>20666523
Isn't that par for the course for most depictions of nameless grunts against named characters? Slow reflexes, idiotic reactions?

>I'm two blocks (~200 metres, ~650 feet) away from an enemy Guntank. I want to walk even closer to it before opening fire.
>Huh, I've been hit by gunfire and I am totally disabled in the weapons department with no way of fighting back.
>I should probably take a look and see if there's an enemy nearby.
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>>20665897
I'm only interested in Mini Mechs/ Jr Mechs, I.e those that would be feasible and are about as tall as 2-3 people. Wielding an actual Mobile suit which as tall as a building would probably feel awful
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>>20665910
Someone is deep in the spectrum, geez…
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>>20665897
Man if you think Gundam's are snug what till you see some Gasaraki shit. Gundam's are fucking Station Wagons compared to that.
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>>20665897
>Would be really disorienting.
Only at first.
It's like drawing on a screenless tablet. You quickly get the hang of it and it becomes second nature with practice.
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Where are the cameras placed on the mobile suit to capture that 360 cockpit view?
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>>20668528
The RX-78 doesn't have a 360 cockpit though?
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>>20668531
Yeah I just wanted to post that cause it's cool.
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>>20665897
I'm the opposite OP, as long as I am in comfortable position, there is something cozy about the idea of being in the heart of a can of whoop ass.
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>>20665897
That cockpit is pretty roomy compared to fighter planes/attack helicopters from real life, especially vertically.
Though I do understand if it would make you feel claustrophobic. I would never want to pilot any war machine without a very well tested and tried ejection system (preferably with an automatic element in case of passing out/manual controls not working) or a big wide space leading to the doors I can chute out of.
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>>20668728
Do they have mechs IRL?
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>>20671382
"Mecha" just means "mechanical" and is used conjunctively as "machine" so yes.
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>>20671411
Retard.
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>>20665897
yeah well i would totally be a gundam pilot because it's awesome lol
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>>20671568
I'm not wrong though. :)
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>>20671382
this guy does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Me8_7HkZq4
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>>20666033
Setsuna no! You'll miss out on Marina if you do this!
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>>20671611
No, you're just picking at a technicality when you knew exactly what that guy meant, so you can win an argument instead of discussing something in good faith.
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>>20672014
>I dunno about you guys but I could never be a Gundam pilot in real life.
The argument is lost already.
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>>20671411
>>20671611
>>20672016
Fuck off shitposter.
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>>20671991
SETSUNA SHOULD HAVE PICKED FELDT!!!
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>>20672043
?
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For me its the Gunbuster's cockpit. It you're gonna have a 360 monitor it shouldn't be obstructed with huge chair and control panels.
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>>20676327
Did they unintentionally make it spell CLUSTERFUCK?
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>>20679895
gosh I guess that must have just been an accident in this otherwise clearly a joke thing
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>>20679918
The battle-prance is the most serious of tactical maneuvers.
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>>20665897
I would in a heartbeat. Whether I become to hero of humanity or just another dead grunt doesn't matter. I will at least be sent to hell while piloting a 20m tall giant humanoid robot and not even God can take that from me.
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>>20665897
I’m autistic and like machines
I’d love to learn how to pilot a gundam and do work on one, mechanics are important in any mecha hangar
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>>20680175
Mechanics are important in general.
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>>20666593
Grunts in Tomino shows tend to to a little bit better. A decent amount of them are competent in Zeta to give one example.
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>>20680175
Learn to engineer a car.
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>>20671382
There are unironically working mechas IRL.
They're just not the godlike warmachines your Japanese animes have and are pretty much just early alpha implementations of the "big piloted robot" concept.
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>>20665897
How da fack does ZZ Gundam have a 360 degree cockpit screen but he has a core fighter? Makes no sense.
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>>20687921
I'm guessing the screens are inside the torso and not in the core fighter
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>>20676187
Having information displayed behind the cockpits head is really dumb though.
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>>20687986
If you could like slide your hands and have the information in back come in front of you, like when people do spreadsheets in VR, that might make some sense, but I don't remember how Gunbuster's cockpit works.
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>>20665904
those honestly seem just as scary but in a different way
I feel like I'd get so overwhelmed seeing everything around me like that
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>>20665897
I had no problem spending hours in these back in the day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdJA5C_Po4U
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>>20689265
basically you are such a gigantic pussy that even in a hypothetical fantasy like piloting a giant anime robot you have a soi panic attack
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>>20689619
Didn't think there were retards still using that word in 2022. Impressive.
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>>20676187
In real life having something like this would instantly snap your spine.
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>>20689744
shut the fuck up faggot
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>>20689265
>seeing everything around me like that
what? you mean like you can 24/7 in real life?
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>>20689766
Good thing it's fiction.
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>>20690273
Fiction that tries to pretend to be based on real science and goes out of its way to have shorts about the science behind the series.
You don't get to pretend your show is scientific and then handwave it with "But it's fiction so if we're wrong it's your fault."
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>>20690998
In a visual medium like anime, all you have to do is make something that looks cool. Everything else is gravy.
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>>20690998
>but IN REAL LIFE!
In real life you are a faggot.
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>>20691060
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>>20691068
Terrible replies. I won't waste my time on any of you and will wait for someone with a brain to respond, instead of troglodytes screaming impulsively.
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>>20689265
The most confusing thing to me is that you can't see the mobile suits arms and legs on the monitor. I never can tell how they aren't accidently colliding with stuff if they can't tell where the arms on the mobile suit are.
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>>20691071
it's called suspension of disbelief you autistic mongrel
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>>20692071
No
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>>20690998
Yes, you actually do. Are you fucking retarded? Hurr square cube law get fucked. There.
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>>20665897
Why in god's green earth would you think it would be less disorienting for a humanoid mobile suit imitating human movements to have the origin of its vision be the fucking chest?
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>>20665897
I can't even drive a car
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>>20691868
>The most confusing thing to me is that you can't see the mobile suits arms and legs on the monitor
I noticed that sometimes they do show the arms from the cockpit, though right now I can only remember Unicorn doing it.
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>>20691071
Average tankfag realism sperg.
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>>20696126
You wouldn't download a car
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>>20665897
Sounds to me like you've got a spot of the claustrophobia/'tism
That looks plenty spacious to me and this >>20667007 looks comfy
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>>20698855
THIS IRRITATES ME!
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>>20665897
I prefer cars I can stand up in like vans
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>>20665897
>I dunno about you guys but I could never be a Gundam pilot in real life. That cockpit looks claustrophobic as fuck, barely any space to move your arms and legs.
I'm the exact opposite. I don't like those 360 degree screens. I need to be surrounded by something physical with a frame for me to feel secure.

I think Zakus from the One Year War are great. Lots of knobs and dials and switches.

Also I think screens behind me are dumb. I'm not doing to turn my head 180 degrees behind my pilot chair. The screens behind me are wasted resources. At most I would need my 220 to 240 degrees of screens. For directly in front and my peripheral vision to the sides.
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>>20665897
I read somewhere that these panoramic cockpits caused anxiety issues with some pilots because they made the pilot feel surrounded by nothing but space. So when their suit got disabled in combat, pilots would rush to open the cockpit door. It relieves their anxiety to see the outside of their suit.
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>>20703780
Why would there be a study on this? It's fictional.
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>>20707570
I mean within a Gundam manga. Some pilots talk about how 360 monitors cause anxiety among some pilots because it feels like you are isolated and surrounded by space. Just you and a pilot char. Nothing else.
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Let's not mince words now, the panoramic cockpit was more of a benefit to the production team if anything because it meant you could compose your character-focused shots with adjacent background action, which reduces the amount of cuts you have to make and means you can fit more in an episode. Pretty sure L-Gaim introduced it first and then after that a lot of other shows followed suit.
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>>20710028
So as usual Tomino came up with something smart and everyone copied it.
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>>20711160
My point was was that L-Gaim featured it first, it wasn't exclusive to Gundam and Zeta arguably standardised it.
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>>20711170
And MY point is that since Tomino did all of those, it was Tomino's idea no matter where it started.
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>>20665897
Are you kidding me? Those cockpits are huge and spacy compared to real ones or fighting vehicle compartments.
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>>20691071
Ah you're just a shitposter. Delete your frogfolder and go back to /tg/.
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>>20711160
Nagano. Nagano designed it.
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>>20711272
No, it was Nagano. He was the mechanic designer on L-Gaim and also worked on Zeta. You'd know that if you weren't a per araidong
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>>20712239
Nagano? As in the 1998 Nagano Winter Olympics?
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>>20711272
Yes we get you want to show you're a retard.
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>>20696123
Not him but there's varying degrees of realism and depending on what the writers do, it can come anywhere from perfectly excusable to outright bullshit hypocrisy. Suspension of disbelief is a thing. We accept various technologies do exist but I think the most important thing is internal consistency. What rules the setting defines shouldn't be mindlessly violated.

If also the series tries doing realism or a realistic message but the execution relies on lolphysics then that destroys its own argument. A lot of poorly done "deconstructions" do this where they step on their own toes and break rules, in universe or out, and destroy their own message.
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>>20712266
Take that stick out of your ass.
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>>20696123
To be fair, square cube law doesn't prevent building giant robots at all.
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>>20712397
If you have nothing to say besides short "witty" quips like this then fuck off. No one will ever love you.
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>>20712266
The greatest of scifi almost always have both large amounts of fun justifications and simultaneously a wink and a nod for the stuff that's there just for fun.

It's fun to come up with reasons for things but there's also no need to let it hold you back, which is why a great series will comfortably launch into a monologue over how new technology has enabled man machines to fight, and also their guns are giant ww2 german firearms with wooden stocks because that's just plain cool.

You refuse this beauty and the punishment is to lack the appreciation of it, like being denied gods light for denying gods light.
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>>20713309
>>20712266
where did all these retarded tankfags come from recently? just because nobody wants to talk to you irl doesn't mean you're welcome here
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>>20713381
/v/
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>>20713381
>just because nobody wants to talk to you irl doesn't mean you're welcome here
Oh sorry I didn't realize the rules of 4chan included "If someone doesn't like you, you have to leave."
Oh, what's that? That's not a rule? This isn't Reddit where you can just ban people for disagreeing with you? That's what I thought. So I'll be staying right here.
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Yeah, that's what I thought.
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>>20689619
Sounds like he'd be a better pilot than any of us.

I'm jealous.
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>>20717409
Yes
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>>20720631
WHAT A SHOCKER!
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>>20665897
I could but i could never adopt a military lifestyle so i would never be allowed near one
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>>20666593
to be fair hasn't it always been a theme that zeon had very few experienced pilots?
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>>20727776
And yet you'll still end up piloting one in the first or second episode.
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>>20727835
Test?
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>>20728357
Yes, test piloting.
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>>20731639
Low test piloting LOL
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>>20727776
What about making a corporation?
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>>20727776
>i could never adopt a military lifestyle
afraid of a couple slaps?
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>>20735013
Slapping me is a one way ticket to Beatdown City.
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>>20665897
You'd feel differently with the motivational factors present. The bigger hurdle is whether you make the move too late.
Like do you really need to be a pilot or can you rely on the existing army and people who happen to feel more motivated?
I'm sure Earth Federation would at least have sims where people can try out and get a feel for things.
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>>20665897
It's kind of like a small tractor. I've driven a lot of those so that wouldn't be the problem. I'd just prefer not to because the survival rates are somewhere around WW1 level if you're a background character.
>>20689265
>I feel like I'd get so overwhelmed seeing everything around me like that
I like paragliding (not that expensive if you rent) so that would just be cool with me.
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>>20689619
So like most gundam protags
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>>20739393
yeah
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>>20727783
That was literally the whole point of Gen Revil's "Zeon is Exhausted" speech. I think there's even a line that said that most of the Zeon pilots at A Boua Qu were literally in mobile suits for the first time.
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>>20743357

It doesn't say it's their first time, just that a lot of them are students or something similar.
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>>20743573
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>>20743585
Never really understood why Kycilia dressed like a ninja but spent most of her time sitting in a chair?
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>>20743629
I'm not the one who needs my volume up that high for some reason.
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>>20746192
That is an awful thing to say.
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>>20665897
I tried those panoramic Gundam games in Tokyo in 2019, it was fun as all hell but I was surprised that the nobody played them, every cockpit was empty despite it being a full arcade.
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>>20749083
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>>20749086
Intriguing... why is it in English?
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>>20751604
That is pretty typical english use.
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>>20743573
I always took "student recruits" to mean that they were literally right out of basic training and had no real field experience.
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>>20753771

That was my initial reading as well, but then the phraseology is redundant, because recruits are, by definition, students, in that context. Saying student recruits only adds anything to saying they're recruits if the recruits are also school age children that are recruits.
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>>20754145
I believe many of them had under one hour of training.
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>>20689265
Fucking Oldtypes man
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>>20749083
Maybe because the Gundam pod game is like over a decade old now and everybody who's a regular got tired of it and moved on.
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>>20757295
Then why is it still in the arcade?
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>>20761738
That's totally up to the arcade operator. Arcade machines cost thousands of US dollars and only go up, as the fancier they are the more they cost when new. Arcade operators basically gamble that they can recover the cost of the machine and additional profit over the machine's useful lifespan.

An arcade machine not available to the public is one that doesn't make any money, so as long as it still works, they might as well let people put money into it until it breaks down and costs too much to repair. Even if it's an old game, the fact that it's got an enclosed cockpit is still kind of a cool gimmick that might still draw curious people who have never tried it before, therefore making some money.
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>>20761792
That's true. Some arcades still have UT2003 machines in them.
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I want a MS I can poo and pee in with also NMES for prolonged fights, to prevent bloodclots
but realistically I would die in a few minutes so it really doesn't matter
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>>20765782
Tomino thought of this.
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>>20765788
He also didn't want to sell toys of Gundam and they sold toys of Gundam anyway.
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Or even worse, no monitors at all, just an interface directly linked into your brain being displayed on your helmet visor.
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>>20765782
In G-Reco they have enough toilets built into the seat and enough room to stand up. There’s an entire scene where he takes a fat shit in the cockpit while the girls are sitting next to him. Tomino truly is a visionary
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>>20770064
What I always wondered about this scene is how he wipes. You cannot just take a shit without wiping your ass. The result is not pretty.
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>>20770070
the toilet includes cleaning stuff like a hyper bidet and other antipoop tech
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>>20770093
So... this is what the Anti-Spiral really meant.
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>>20770064
gotta admit I forgot about that
I did watch g reco when I had high fever, though
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>>20773359
Ironically that was probably also the mental state he was in when he wrote it.
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>>20665897

"The most important thing about the rocket is the blast off. I always take a blast before I take off. Otherwise I wouldn't get in that thing."

-Comedian Bill Dana, during the early space program
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>>20778718
And that's a picture of him?
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>>20780196
No, that's a cartoon.
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>>20689830
based
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>>20783141
Based on what?
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>>20786975
Does anyone know?
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>>20665897
You could always seek out one of those old Mechwarrior cockpits and see for real
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>>20790093

Do all the pods have individualized "nose" art? That's kind of cool.
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>>20790111
Yeah they do
These pods are pretty cool considering it was the early 2000s, can only imagine what they'd be like today
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>>20790170
There's blood beneath the leftmost pod...
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>>20792722
Well, yeah, you have to feed them.
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>>20792722
It's THAT realistic, they had to drag the bloody disfigured body of the pilot out after a failed mission
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>>20792722
Welcome to the U.N.E flight simulator!
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>>20665897
I would like to pilot an MS but spaceflight is disorienting as fuck and in gundam being in one is basically a death sentence so I have no delusions I wouldn't die like a bitch on first sortie
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>>20770070
Why do you think the Indian looking chick is so interested?
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>>20793767
Oh great. We have people who are such secondaries about Gundam that they haven't even watched G-Reco and can't name the characters, thinking they deserve the right to post on /m/.
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>>20665897
with the gundam pod game the perspective of some mobile suits is actually from the chest
it's a bit weird to think about that but i usually chalk it up to the head being a really extensive secondary sensor array
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dying in there to a beam saber would be a nice way to die imo. i doubt you experience much pain when you instantly vaporize and turn into a hamburger
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>>20794883
Say that after watching Nicol fucking implode.

>>20790170
I was actually in one of these things at Magfest 2020, right before the Coof hit. Thing was kino, though from what i remember it was just stick and throttle, no pedals. Woulda been more kino with pedals.
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>>20794834
Well the pod games aren't canon so they probably do that just so that it doesn't disorient the people playing the game.
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>>20790093
SEX
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>>20668528
I really appreciate that the 'learning computer' aspect of the Gundam is kind of understated and it also does pretty much exactly what an AI pilot assist would actually do in real life.
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>>20676327
>current brain thought is 'disdain'
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>>20794883
There’s obviously the appeal of instant death but that’s only if the pilot is absolutely dead on and hits you perfectly, enough to instantly vaporise you with the sabre. If they aren’t super accurate then you get cases like Nicol who dies in extreme agony before he combusts from the inside or Rau who gets essentially crushed to death after his suit gets impaled by a sabre
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>>20676327
>the deck chair
>the Steel Battalion controller
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>>20761738
I'm sure they cost a fuckload of money and would be a huge pain in the ass to move again so they probably won't get rid of them until they break down or they get something that's really worth replacing them with
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>>20794827
>oh no somebody forgot the name of a fucking tomino character from a series that's like a decade old at this point
what is her name anyway? lalaya monday or something?
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>>20676327
The only thing it needs is a glove compartment and a cup holder with handguns in them.
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>>20743573
This is also something that happened during WW2. Japan had basically used all their aces in combat rather than having their aces train new pilots. They had a few very powerful and well armored late war planes like the Shiden Kai but nobody good to actually fly them.
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>>20804308
>They had a few very powerful and well armored late war planes like the Shiden Kai
Wait a second. Like the Gundam character?
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>>20665897
Most early warplanes and jets were pretty claustrophobic, to be honest. The World War II airplanes usually had pilots sit ramrod straight, which negatively affected the blood flow. It was very easy to black out in a World War 2 plane and wake up a minute later, hopefully not having crashed directly into the ground. Russian Cold War MiGs were incredibly claustrophobic hellscapes of manual switches, but at least starting with the revised MiGs they were a comforting shade of turquoise, which didn't strain the eyes quite as much through blue light reflection.
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>>20804316
Yes, exactly. He is named for the airplane. It was a very powerful and agile late war fighter. Strong cannons, but the biggest thing was they were heavily armored. Many American fighters still used 50 caliber machine guns, and the armor on the fuselage and reinforced glass were way different than the old Zeroes.

Gundam has a lot of similarities to how the war in the Pacific went. At first, the Zakus are very powerful and unmatched, but when the Gundam and GMs rolled out, they were very much outclassed. Late in the war, Zeon developed some new, powerful weapons but there were no good pilots and they came too late to make a difference.
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>>20804316
https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/kawanishi-n1k2-j-shiden-kai-george

https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Kai_Shiden
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So how do Gundam mech pilots even deal with cockpits?

>>20696126
What a loser, kek
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>>20743629
I don’t remember where, but I remember hearing the reason is that she got some brain in her mouth once, and she didn’t like that, so she covers her mouth.
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>>20804317
Do they really know what every single gauge and switch does? Fuck that must take ages
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>>20806481
I mean... when it's your literal job to know things like that, it makes sense that you'd learn.
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>>20804317
can't believe the russian military allowed someone to take a picture inside the cockpit of this active duty fighter jet
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>>20805256
>So how do Gundam mech pilots even deal with cockpits?
Fuck, I meant to say g-forces. How do they deal with those?
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>>20807665
I assume pilot space suits have some kind of pressure suit functionality since they're always built relatively thinner and more form-fitting compared to a regular survival space suit which I assume is bulkier for more padding and protection from impacts, debris, better insulation, and radiation protection. I don't think it's ever mentioned or shown, but I could imagine pilots' suits having a built in inflation mechanism to constrict or allow blood flow. Also, pilots' suits generally need to be less cumbersome so they can operate MS controls with little issues.

Anyway, going off the animation.. the Zeta-era cockpits are essentially bubble spheres, the cockpit chairs are mounted on a large shock absorbing arm. CCA-era cockpits incorporate airbags. IIRC by the Victory era, the basic harness seatbelt has been replaced by this auto-inflating cushion restraint thing that goes over the pilot's chest, so MS can be piloted even without normal suits. Also their airbags are transparent to avoid blocking the pilot's view.
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>>20807729
>CCA-era cockpits incorporate airbags
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>>20807729
>by the Victory era, the basic harness seatbelt has been replaced by this auto-inflating cushion restraint thing that goes over the pilot's chest, so MS can be piloted even without normal suits
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>>20807729
zeta gundam already had the clear airbags I believe.
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>>20807826
I don't remember, but if you have an episode or scene that you recall, let me know and I'll make a webm.
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>>20807729

Banagher's pilot suit for the Unicorn definitely has pressure suit capacity, and he looks relatively thin and normal in it when walking around the Garancieries etc. wearing it, but it bulks up when he's inside the Unicorn itself. I don't know that any other production acknowledged that technology, but it might just be too prohibitive to animate regularly on TV shows and such.
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>>20807826
Nah they didn’t. At least not that I can remember
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>>20806481
That's the only way to pilot, naturally.
When vehicles will advance into new tech levels, they will become even more complex than this.
Simultaneously, more ergonomic interfaces will come as well, though having manual controls would still be wise.
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>>20806481
Yeah, thats why pilot training takes fuckin months. Though to be fair, a lot of those knobs and switches arent your main stuff. Its shit for stuff like take off and landing, adjustments, stuff you wouldnt really be doing or fuckin with in active combat.
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>>20666975
Based same. If i ever get around to building a mech IRL it really doesn't need to be taller than 15 feet and about as wide as a regular car
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>>20666975
>>20812277
Huh? What would be wrong with a big one?
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>>20814596
Probably power constraints making a smaller mecha more feasible. Plus laws of physics, you'd fuckin feel the G's in a gundam hard. Assuming current tech, atleast.
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>>20815882
If a Gundam didn't have G's, it would be an undam.
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>>20685765
That looks horrible
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>>20820321
You dare criticize Zeta Gundam?
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>>20823145
Or criticise?
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>>20826543
When will you realise it's okay to criticize?
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>>20828924
It's not okay to criticize Zeta Gundam.
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>>20830938

> This thing people do here all the time? Yeah, it's not actually allowed

Uh huh.
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>>20830968
Nobody said it wasn't allowed. But it's not okay. This is the problem with you people, you see a little disagreement and you think you've been banned from doing something.
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>>20803848
what the fuck america
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>>20831597
Indeed.
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>>20665897
Just play video games to get good.
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I have many thoughts on cockpits and not enough time to share them.
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If you have a VR headset and a decent gaming PC, you can experience it yourself in M.A.D.N.U.G. Assuming the cockpit is recreated to scale.

https://youtu.be/eFcIJLIqpMo
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>>20839883
Isn't that just Gundam spelled backwards?
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>>20843319
Yes.
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>>20845722
Also, the Rick Dias is named after Tomino's friend Rick Dias.
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>>20848726
Yeah!
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>>20765788
Are there articulating toilet seats on any G-Reco models?
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>>20665961
interesting, thanks for sharing
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I aleays liked battletech cockpits
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>>20665970
Probably consoles rotates to screens like the Swiss ep in Dancouga.
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>>20857356
How do people fit in those?
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most mecha anime do not attempt to create realistic cockpits that make sense to control since that would make writers be constrained to rules of how the body moves and they'd rather let stuff be dramatic

I wrote a big text on how controlling a bipedal mecha in a way thats both acrobatic but fast that works on my setting and it was not that difficult but in an animation sense, it would feel a little more underwhelming to not look like cool sci-fi stuff
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>>20689766
how? maybe having a support on the crotch would help?
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>>20666033
This is how we get Evangelions not Gundams you dumb shit
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>>20860615
Wouldn't that just make things worse?
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>>20689766
No it wouldn't. What on earth even makes you think that?
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>>20848726
Interestingly enough, if you rearrange the letters it spells Dick Rias.
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>>20865354
Right...
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>>20666133
Spherical shells aren't meant to deform, they're meant to distribute force across the surface. Think Newton's balls.
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>>20666133
>>20867941
There's also a whole giant robot worth of potential crumple zones between the cockpit exterior and interior
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>>20689265
Boomer oldtype
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Is imagine piloting a mecha would be more comfortable than using power armor

I'd imagen you'd be sweating like a hog
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>>20870110
They specifically mention Iron Man's suit has a liquid cooling system, so not necessarily actually.
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I think I could be a pilot, mentally. Physically, I don't think I could be very good though, I'm not swole.
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>>20875000
Hey, the Black Tri-Stars were all fat fucks, and it turned out fine for them.
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>>20870110
Depends on the setting. Astarte power armor is completely environmentally sealed and recycles everything on top of astarte physiology.
But something like battletech has them completely drenched in sweat and half naked in the cockpits.
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>>20875000
They are one in the same. Stress all around. And if that is the case then it's very unlikely you are even 'mentally' capable of being a mecha pilot.
Brain over brawn idiots forget you can be both.
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>>20665897
I mean, I would be a Gundam pilot, but I would hate to pilot anything else, since then I wouldn't have plot armor.
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>>20875000

You do not have to be swole to be a pilot. Fit, yes, but not swole. If anything, being swole would probably hinder you given how small cockpits often are.
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>>20875323
Yeah. Being swole would actually be a hindrance, you probably wouldnt have toe same amount of flexibility in the cockpit needed to react fast. Cause your big arms in the way.
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>>20814596
Assuming real world physics, the square cube law would fuck up your mecha bad, too.
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>>20876486
What's the square cube law?
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>>20879255
A lot of biological and physical functions scale based on surface area and a lot of other such functions scale based on volume. This means that as you make something larger, one set will scale as the square and the other as the cube of some basic radius (obviously shapes are somewhat more complicated) and systems that work on smaller objects won't on larger ones. People will often trot this out as meaning that large things are completely impossible, when what it actually means is that they require different solutions than smaller ones.
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>>20875000
I think anyone could be a pilot.
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>>20882821
ENTER ANYA
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>>20885545
Anya wasn't even a very good pilot and only had any skill because of Marianne. That's why Jeremiah kicked her ass.
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>>20665897
After driving the M48 and M60 tanks, the cockpit seems like an upgrade.
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>>20887715
You drove MULTIPLE tanks?
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>>20879310
>People will often trot this out as meaning that large things are completely impossible, when what it actually means is that they require different solutions than smaller ones.
this
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>>20690265
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
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>>20809711
>When vehicles will advance into new tech levels, they will become even more complex than this
glory to automatisation of secondary processes
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>>20875000
Mobile Suits can be easily piloted even by children, you'll be fine.
The only ones that could probably fuck you up real bad would be old as fuck OYW suits.
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>>20890612
Yeah I've received training in three different types. I brought up the M48 and M60 because they're the most outdated.
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>>20892291
AIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>20676327
Kek
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>>20665897
reject the answers given, you have more paths than are simply laid before you
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>>20901365
Some paths lead to salmonella.
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>>20879310
So how come zebras are really tall but have stick legs while camels are just right but have big feet?
Thought so, God is real and so are mecha.
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>>20903998
Camels don't actually hold to physical laws.
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>>20904253
You know what they do hold? Water, in their humps.
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>>20665904
360 cockpit would definitely give me vertigo. I’d prefer the oyw style cockpit
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>>20665904
>>20907746
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>>20903998
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>>20907756
This isn't Seattle, Tokyo, or st. Louis.

Where is this structure?
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>>20907805
That's the CN Tower in Toronto. Tallest building in the world until they built that one in Dubai.
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>>20907819
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>>20907850
And what is this?
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>>20903998
>>20907795
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoYyiNRtMEE
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>>20911090
That's the CN Tower in Toronto. Tallest building in the world until they built that one in Dubai.
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>>20914695
Orson Welles
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>>20911090
Tour Of The Universe
it was sort of Proto-Star Tours and it existed at the based of the CN Tower
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>>20916482
In a weird coincidence, there was just an XKCD comic that mentioned the CN Tower. Maybe Randall is reading this thread.
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>>20917228
This is what it feels like.
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>>20917228
found out that the CN Tower comes up in the recent Kids In The Hall content the I'M CRUSHING YOUR HEAD guy is holding it hostage or else he'll crush it, so it's probably just the collective unconscious at work
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>>20875878
Wonder if that matters in the Neo Zeong?
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>>20924696
Probably.
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>>20927154
What a helpful answer.
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>>20930136
You can't help stupid.
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>>20676327
five_star_stories.jpg
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>>20807762
Zeta had these too, they were the soft clear airbags that shot out from the main control screen. Neat stuff
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>>20934821
Would airbags really be that useful in a zero G environment?
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>>20938257
Why would gravity matter?
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how about this one?
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>>20934228
I actually just found out, apparently Gothicmade is supposed to be a sequel to Five Star Stories. To this day it is impossible to find. I don't know why they made a movie nobody is allowed to see.
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>>20940767

I'm pretty sure Gothicmade gets regular screenings at theaters in Japan to this day, and that was the only environment that Nagano cared about having it in because he created it as a passion project rather than as a commercial product. It's probably made it's money back a few times over at this point anyway given the fact it's been in cinemas off and on for a decade at this point, so I doubt he cares if it's on home video or not.
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>>20940978
It's interesting how different the rules are for that between Japan and the west. Christopher Nolan has similar feelings about wanting people to experience his movies in theaters but he has no actual power to stop the film from being released in other formats. It seems in Japan they give more power to the creator.
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>>20940995

I doubt there's many creators that could get away with it in Japan either, and I'm pretty sure the reason Nagano could is because he financed a lot of it himself rather than relying on a studio for all of it. That said though, George Lucas made a deal with whichever studio originally had the rights to "Star Wars" (before it was changed to "Episode IV: A New Hope" for the sake of sequealisation after success), since the studio had no faith in his project and required him to produce some other film that's forgotten in order to fund Star Wars. Which he then stipulated could only be shown at cinemas with minimum sound and picture quality. Which meant a lot of cinemas had to get in new equipment specifically for Star Wars because it was such a big success right out the gate. He was happy to release it on home media, unlike Nagano, but he did have the pull due to force theaters to update equipment if they wanted to show his film, and used the success of Star Wars to buy the rights and form his own studio. So similar things do happen in the West; it's just that it doesn't happen often in either sphere.
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>>20665897
>That cockpit looks claustrophobic as fuck, barely any space to move your arms and legs. Not to mention you can only see via a camera and your Gundam's "eyes" are actually above where you're sitting.
Highly comfy, I would love this.
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>>20676327
The lawn chair is a very nice touch. 10/10 would pilot
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>>20770070
>he hasn't used meditation and dietary control to master the art of the wipeless shit
ngmi
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>>20941688
Exactly what do you eat to achieve that? Weetabix and that's it?
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>>20800714
tbf that chair is probably good if it's some Battletech stuff where you're mostly naked because more air conditioning means less dakka, and the Steel Battalion controller is pretty great
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>>20942033
Lots of fiber is the trick. Veggies.
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>>20942548
Vegans...
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>>20942047
That TV looks old as fuck. Does it still work?
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>>20676327
COWABUNGA
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>>20949303
Choo choo?
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>>20949303
>>20951323
Ahh, this classic catchphrase brings back memories.
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>>20954397
Only actual ninjas know what it means.
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>>20956379
You wouldn't have the ninja skill to know that.
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>>20957660
Oh really?
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>>20944940
Underrated post
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>>20959390
Yes.
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>>20665897
That looks a lot more spacious than my old shitbox K-car



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