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Macross delta zettai live stream going on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsQ8Kez27Co&t=79s

Also Macross thread I guess.
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>Macross delta zettai live stream going on
>oh shi-
>it's just a rerun of last episode and old movie trailer
come on
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>>20098921
I feel like I've been had. . .

Damn it where' my next series?
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The funny part about Delta was that it was possibly the least /m/ Macross show.
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>>20099020
Wouldn't that be 7? There wasn't that much mecha action.
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>>20100796
Nah 7 at least remembered to have mecha action every episode.
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>>20099020
The funny part about Delta was it was the series Kawamori was least involved in and it sucked.
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>saw sdf 3 years ago
>want to watch all of macross
>not sure if i should watch sdf again
The time I spend watching SDF again could be spent watching something new so i dunno
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>>20100852
Thats a strange way to look at rewatching a show but whatever. Watch DYRL if you haven't already and then continue watching the rest of the franchise.
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>>20100804
You mean stock footage show
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>>20100805
But that's wrong you fucking idiot. 7 didn't even have Kawamori as a director.
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>>20100805
It's not the greatest but it's still better than Zero, II, and Plus. Yes, I said it. Only good thing about Plus is the action and animation.
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>>20101110
Stock mecha action is better than no mecha action
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>>20101231
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>>20101231
Plus is the worst Macross entry so I that's a bit obvious.
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>>20101241
I don't care what decade old meme image you reply with, I find Plus to be boring on rewatches. I loved it the first time I watched it 8 years ago but when I watch it now I just get bored by the core plot and most of the characters are assholes. I just don't find it that entertaining outside of the dogfights. While Delta has problems I at least find the core cast enjoyable enough and the plot has something going on to keep my attention but I will admit Delta does have some paper thin characters. The problem with having too many characters in one story. Also Hayate/Freyja best couple fuck you.
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>>20101289
>Also Hayate/Freyja best couple fuck you.
true
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>>20099020
Nah Delta was still pretty /m/ it was more /m/ than 86.

>>20100805
Really I thought he had a huge hand in delta. Do you have a sauce?

>>20100852
just do a viewing party with a group of friends. Literally the best way to rewatch any show

>>20101289
this anon speaks truth. Most people who say they like Macross Plus and they are a Macross fans haven't even watched the Original SDF. They can be pretty insufferable. Most people who get into Macross through Frontier tend to watch everything
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I watched the first macross 2 years ago and then I watched 7 8 months ago, does delta reference or tell what happened to the original macross crew?
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>>20101752
And I like all Macross entries. Of course I like some more than others but I don't think there's a single entry that's irredeemable trash. I wish some fans would stop trying to divide the fanbase on which shows are 'true' Macross shows.
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>>20103854
In Delta the protagonist faction, Chaos, is funded by someone named 'Lady M'. Her identity hasn't been revealed yet but a character speculates it's someone that was onboard the Megaroad. Naturally fans believe it to be Minmay or it could even be Misa. I also saw some fan theories that it might even be Mylene lol. Maybe the second Delta film will reveal her.
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>>20101752
>Most people who say they like Macross Plus and they are a Macross fans haven't even watched the Original SDF.
It's true, reminds me a bit of people who think 08th MS Team is the only good Gundam because of its perceived gritty realism when in reality they haven't watched anything else in the series. I still like Plus a lot to this day but its fans can be obnoxious when trying to discuss Macross.
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>>20103940
Lady M wasn't their financier, it was their planner of strategic operations. The old Zentradi guy who wanted to find the missing Megaroad-01 was the money backing the protagonist faction.
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>>20103932
>I wish some fans would stop trying to divide the fanbase on which shows are 'true' Macross shows.
Perhaps this is just my bias because my only contact with other Macross fans is /m/ and Macrossworld, but it seems like the only people who really care about that are western geeks who feel the need to wave their e-peen. Even Macross 2 gets acknowledged by Kawamori and Satelight here and there.
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Looks like the Anon who really dislikes Plus is already here guys. RIP thread.
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>>20103854
Max asked his niece for Walkure's autograph
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>>20104148
Macrossworld is a terrible place to discuss Macross. They're so out of touch with anime it's hilarious.
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>>20103932
Don't get me wrong I love Plus. My issue is like you I just like you some people espouse that Plus is the "True" Macross cos its more gritty. I really do like all Macross's and think that there's no bad Macross series. I just want people to not to call them shit

>>20104025
This is so true. I recently watched 08th MS and it was so much worse than I remember. The MC was so bad, the side characters were cool but there wasn't any real progression. The same can be said with Stardust Memories, but on my rewatch it didn't hold up as much. Saying that both aren't bad, but more hyped up than they should be.
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>>20104025
I think that's something both the Macross and Gundam fanbases have in common. Just like how Macross has fans that don't like the music aspect of the franchise there are also Gundam fans that don't like the Newtype/psychic aspect of the franchise.
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>trying to make everything about gundam in a macross thread
kek gotta love it
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What's the cannon on the right for the new 31? Seems redundant to have another beam cannon when it already has a beam gunpod.
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>>20107468

More guns are better.
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>>20107474
Can't argue with that. Speaking of guns I love the new larger railguns. The proportions overall are a nice improvement. Beefier biceps, larger shoulders, larger guns. Gives the Kairos Plus a tougher looking frame.
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>>20107483
I like the bulkier frame too.
Just wish the main landing gear door panels split out of the way instead of being attached to the wheels and creating an awkward skirt.
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I got this the other day. I really need to buy decal fix.
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>>20107794
This is Hasegawa right?
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>>20107858
Yeah. The bandai kit was good, so I hope that this one is at least ok
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Anyone know how to get skull leader working on neko project? It keeps giving me this message after I load the disk.
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>>20109815
It says to please set the system disk. https://nebulous.group/index.php/docs/ Have you been following this guide for setting up the game?
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>>20100796
Everyone spent 90% of the show in battroid mode as opposed to Delta where everyone was in fighter mode 90% of the time. Now we need an entry where everyone is in Gerwalk mode 90% of the time to balance things out.
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>>20111361
>Now we need an entry where everyone is in Gerwalk mode 90% of the time to balance things out.
isnt that just the videogames
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>>20111361
I think japanese fans had similar complaints because the Delta movie added a lot more battroid scenes. Even had Hayate moonwalking across a battleship.
>>20111658
Gerwalk is really good in those Artdink games that's for sure lol
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>>20111741
Does the movie add significant amount of divergent stuff like the Frontier movies did or is it just another round of popping your veins raging at Windermere shits?
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>>20111978
There's a few new scenes in the movie(like the Macross Plus Movie) which is a good enough reason to watch. When it comes to divergent stuff, not so much. They just cut the off the 2nd half of the show and went straight into the final battle.
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>>20107858
Man I fucking love Tenjin for drawing package of VF-31J Kai with Hayate and Freyja flying over the Ragna's sea.
>>20111741
>Even had Hayate moonwalking across a battleship.
I still can't get over that scene till this day. The one where he jumped over Keith vs Roid to shoot down the system was good too. It's kinda sad that we will never get to see VF-31F again because Messer is fucking dead.
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>>20107468
This is the kinda thing I originally wanted to see with the VF-31.
Their pods were supposed to be easy to swap out for different mission equipment but we only saw two versions in the tv show, the normal gun holster, and then the radome one.
At some point I was hoping it would get a sword pack to deal with the Draken III's swords.
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>>20112718
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>>20112232
That final battle is much better in the movie for what it's worth. The series' finale feels like it got cut off just as it was ramping up with Hayate and Mirage going back to back like they're about to pull off some Alto/Brera style action and then the fight just ends with Keith doing his shit before they actually do anything.
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>>20114225
cool shit
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What would Kaifun's knockoffs pilot?
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It's nice that Big West started the official Macross Youtube channel but it's so barren especially when compared to like Tsuburaya or Gundaminfo.
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>>20114730
Give them time, Gundam has had years to fill up their online content for the west, meanwhile Macross has only had since this spring. Once the new Macross movie hits I'm sure we'll get more coming our way.
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I still love it.
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>>20114546
A VF-2SS in purple and green colors
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>>20114546
Tae Kwon V
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wait no I mean Space Gundam V, derp
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How are the Aoshima ACKS kits? I'm kinda tempted by the Ranka one. Sure hope they do a Mirage VF-31 or Sheryl YF-29.
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>>20115233
What are the translucent bits on the nose that started being a recurring design feature since the VF-19? Are they sensors or something?
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>>20115939
Fold crystals?
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>>20115909
That depends on if you are familiar with gunpla or any mecha musume kits. As someone who did 2 ACKS kits, it's not beginner friendly and the kits usually have lots of stickers (no water decals) which doesn't look as good as the promo. If you are already into gunpla, it's not too bad. If your new, then you should buy 30min sister kit (pic related) to practice on since they're cheap.

>Sure hope they do a Mirage VF-31 or Sheryl YF-29.
They are definitely going to make Sheryl, but the question is if they are going to move on to M7 or go back to Delta.
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>>20115233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gt5hp-sQAQ
Are you excited to see it in blue in the new movie?
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It's a pretty lame and confusing feeling when you watch a movie for the first time, fucking love it, come to /m/ and read posts talking about how it's the worst movie ever.
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>>20107858
>separate crotch piece that looks removable
Maximum culture.
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>>20117183
I know the YF-29 is more advanced but it aesthetically looks worse than the YF-19.
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>>20118205
Its the face 19 looks like a robocop face while the 29 looks like its got that taccool helmet
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>>20118205
Starting with Frontier, the VFs have a different design style from the pre-Frontier VFs them. The most obvious one is that they are thinner.
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>>20118305
That's because from Macross Zero onwards they were able to use 3D software to design the VFs to have physically viable designs.
As a result VFs became thinner because it's more practical to fit thin limbs into the form of an airplane than thick ones.
This is why it's harder for toymakers to engineer the designs of older VFs to be screen accurate.
Older VFs were slightly more aesthetically minded in Design while newer ones are more practical.
This extends to the transformation system which has been revised to be more stable/stronger.
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>>20118205
I dislike the pencil legs that have been a mainstay feature since the VF-25.
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What is the new Delta movie supposed to be about? They already did the recap/compilation movie, will the new one carry on from there? Will we finally get Windermere genocide?
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>>20118205
>>20118407
Lot of the older VF designs cheated with their proportions since they were designed on paper. A good example is the VF-17. Very flat and sleek in fighter mode yet it had very thick proportions in battroid mode which would be impossible with an actual 3D object. It makes sense that a sleek fighter jet would also have skinnier limbs in battroid mode. It doesn't really bother me but I can understand why some fans like the older designs for looking more 'tough'.
>>20118427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gt5hp-sQAQ It's a completely new plot. No clue what it's about but it looks like Chaos will be fighting the UN? There's also a mysterious woman covered in feathers in some of the posters. Maybe she's a Protoculture clone like Mikumo.
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I enjoyed Macross FB7, but it's pretty bad if you watch it without watching 7 first. Part of the charm of 7 is basically growing with Gamlin, going from FUCK BASARA GTFO THE BATTLEFIELD to BASARA SAVE US WITH YOUR SONG.
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>>20118305
>>20118368
>>20118450

The VF head designs now look like they are from Aquarion.
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>>20118611
I was thinking Armored Core but both are by Kawamori anyway so
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>>20119101
I prefer the old simple visors, the VF-31J looks like it has bug eyes there. In fact the design style for the heads kinda remind me of Vajra.
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>>20119101
Nah, it's more like Aquarion due to Satelight's mecha design/animation team. I remember seeing some Aquarion head concept designs that was later touched up for Frontier.
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>>20119101
i think the sudden overdetailed eyes behind the visor is very aquarion like
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>>20119141
It probably started with Macross Zero then Aquarion.
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>>20118427
>マクロス』シリーズのアニメ作品として第7作目、テレビアニメとしては4作目となる『マクロスΔ』。その劇場版『…激情のワルキューレ』に続く劇場版アニメ第2弾が登場。西暦2068年、戦術音楽ユニット“ワルキューレ”が、ウィンダミアで停戦記念ライブを開催する様を描く。監督を務めるのは、『…激情のワルキューレ』同様に河森正治。

ストーリー 銀河の辺境でウィンダミア王国と新統合政府の紛争は、ハヤテやミラージュの所属する部隊と、戦術音楽ユニット“ワルキューレ”の歌の力の活躍で鎮静化した。ワルキューレは、メンバーのフレイアの故郷で、停戦記念のライブを開催することになったのだが……
>AD 2068 After Hayate and friends succeed in stopping Roid-sama's ultimate keikaku (TL note: Keikaku smean plan) Walkure decided to hold a concert to make peace with Windniggas at Freyja's homeland. Also pilotship ended with Siegfried, Now Kairos-plus is my best girl.
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>>20106047
>"True" Macross cos its more gritty.
Why are people like this? Macross Plus is the LEAST Macross-y show out there. The music is brain-grating to hear, the characters are fucking boring, the heroine is not even interesting. The only redeeming thing it had was it's animation.

Put Delta as far below as you could in your tier list, but I can assure it is more Macross than Plus is. You just like planes flying around and shooting the shit and that's okay desu, but if you say Macross Plus is the "DEFINITIVE/TRUE" Macross then you're fucking retarded and it's clear the franchise is not meant for you. Fuck off.
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>>20119231
Boy I can't wait for more NUNS moustache twirling antics and Windfags doing nothing wrong. I'm gonna watch the first movie tonight to renew my hatred of Windermere.
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>>20119265
It's clear you didn't pay attention to a single thing in M+ besides the animation.
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>>20119285
Yes, because it was so mind-numbingly fucking boring. Cry about it.
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>>20119265
I think you didn't read the thread. But I agree with you. That's what im complaining about.
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>>20119284
I think you're supposed to hate Windermere and while the story tries to justify them a little they're hardly treated like they're completely right. Even Hayate calls them out for being cowards and brainwashing UN pilots to do their fighting. The only reason the Windies and Chaos banded together was to stop Roid from trying to control the entire galaxy. They have a ceasefire now but they haven't made complete peace with the UN yet. I still hate them for acting so self righteous and the wind speak gets old fast. But I do like the Drakens a lot and their planet is pretty. I love snowy regions.
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>>20120700
Still waiting for a proper look at this beauty transforming.
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>>20119133
I don't know what bugs you're finding that have Cyclops visors lol
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>>20119141
>>20119181
Someone or maybe Kawamori himself is probably adding more details after he comes up with the design on paper and I'm fine with it. His modern mecha head designs are my favorite. The VF-31C being my favorite of the Siegfrieds. I really like the multiple camera eyes he's been doing for the past decade and a half.
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>>20118205
I might be in the minority but I like the generally slimmer look the 29 has plus the backpack. Although the Head, Chest and Shield are really nice in the 19.
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>>20120791
>>20120731
Wish Kawamori would release another artbook with all of his post Frontier mecha drawings
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>>20120700
>Zentradi
>Protodeviln
>Vajra
The antagonists being genocidal assholes who cause thousands to millions of deaths who then get off scot-free is pretty much a running theme in mainline Macross. The thing is, those 3 get a free pass because they were absolutely alien to us until they got CULTURE'd. Windermere were totally aware that they were committing war crimes and specifically fucking up non-combatant civillians, they even tried to shoot down an Island ship with their Protoculture super beam. Heck, it's the reason why the Knight shits changed colours to the dark blue from their original white to signify their "fall from grace", it's just how they're still so self-righteous and pompous that really grinds my gears. It's really unsatisfying when people who you hate don't get their comeuppance in fictional media coughIBOcough.
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>>20122786
At least Roid and Keith die. But you are absolutely right in that the other Macross antagonist factions literally didn't know any better. Seeing Hayate shoot down both Bogue and Keith was satisfying even though he didn't kill them although he sure as hell was trying against Keith.
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Wrong webm, whoops.
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>>20122979
They should have end the anime here and continue with sequel movie as they were intended, second cour was a mistake.
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>>20101746
Shame the robot mode wasn't used more.
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>>20125614
Needed more dancing scenes.
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Video game Valkyries. Yes, I know the VF-4 technically appears first in Flashback 2012 but it's battroid and gerwalk wasn't shown until VFX1 on the PS1.
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>>20126693
I think the YF-30 looks amazing, shame it's stuck in Macross 30. It actually caters to my tastes more than the Messiah and Siegfried in battroid mode.
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>>20117848
it's 4chan we are contrarian by nature
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>>20127647
But you ain't a TRUE contrarian unless you think Macross 2 is the best in the series.
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macross frontier fucking sucks
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>>20129025
The series does but the movies fix it
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>>20115233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj0NnwMUp9U
I still love the entire final battle, from the cloud surfing reentry, to the thousands of reinforcements defolding, that entire 30 seconds of Brera snapping, and finally Ranka getting blown the fuck out.
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>>20129025
Nah
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>>20129025
Frontier is in top 3 best Macross.
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>Q:What was the age when you fell in love for the first time?
>A:Hmm, for what I remember I fell in love for the first time with the boy who was always playing harmonica when I was 5 years old. I can't remember it really well though.
What the fuck. Why would they make Brera Ranka's brother if they want to ship bait the fandom this fucking hard.
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>Youtube subscriptions is showing me the Macross channel with a LIVE NOW symbol next to it
>don't see any livestreams up on their channel
How bizarre.
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>>20130440
There is
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>>20130477
I'm guessing that it's region-restricted?
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>>20130487
Probably. Just get a vpn
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I can't believe Freya is dead!
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>>20130552
HOLYSHIT I CANT BELIEVE THEY BRING MAX BACK WHAT THE FUCK
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>>20130561
Here comes the Psycho versions of Walkure~
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Clocking this in now, best girl
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>>20130559
>>20130561
>walkure
>waru kyu re
>Yami Q ray
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>>20130559
YES! YES THIS IS GOOD
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>>20130561
>evil twins
Nice
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>>20130656
pink Rushia
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>>20130398
Ranka and Brera aren't blood related. That's why they end up together in the manga.
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>>20130552
my man is 73 years old let him rest
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\m/
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>>20130875
Still pumping Milia's ass.
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>Yamikumo
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>>20130854
There's nothing anywhere in the anime impliyng they aren't real brothers.
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With all these new stuff I'm really sad that no Macross got to be in SRW30
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>>20130886
What an incredibly dumb pun, I fucking love it.
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They will show the first 5:29 minutes of the movie day before release date
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>>20130879
maybe they'll jump into a reality where the Megaroad never made it to the middle of the universe
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>>20130909
evil bear?
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repost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt4vjKw2KNk
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>>20130988
bear is kuma this is kumo written I guess using the same kumo found in 美雲's name. Thus it's 闇雲 meaning like reckless or disregard. Or it could mean the literal meaning of dark cloud.
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Big think guys. The Walkure in the trailer changes to this. Any ideas?
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>>20131013
Yami Q-Ray
Yami Kyure
Yami Cure
We Pretty Cure now
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DID YOU KNOW THAT EVIL IS LIVE BACKWARD?
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>>20130988
Yami Mikumo. Same logic of Waluigi (warui + Luigi)
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>>20131032
>>20131009
oooh it's a good pun thanks
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>>20131030
in SDF? when Hikaru gives Minmay the lyrics
In Frontier movie? it was Ranka and Alto with the "windows" closing

someone found out that slight difference with Sheryl the background was open meaning a good ending and with Ranka the background was close meaning bad ending
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OST
1. Glow in the dark
作詞 : 渡辺未来・西田恵美 作曲・編曲 : 渡辺未来 歌 : Yami_Q_ray
2. Avalon
作曲 : 窪田ミナ・鈴木さえ子・TOMISIRO 編曲 : 鈴木さえ子・TOMISIRO
3. Distrust
作曲・編曲 : 鈴木さえ子・TOMISIRO
4. Translucent
作曲・編曲 : 鈴木さえ子・TOMISIRO
5. Hayate and Freyja
作曲・編曲 : 窪田ミナ
6. りんごのうた/歌 : フレイアΔ鈴木みのり
作詞 : 唐沢美帆 作曲・編曲 : 加藤裕介
7. Heinz vs.Yami_Q_ray/Remixed by TOMISIRO
ザルド・ヴァーサ!~決意の風~/歌 : ハインツ(メロディー・チューバック)
作詞・作曲・編曲 : 窪田ミナ
~Grow in the dark/歌 : Yami_Q_ray
作詞 : 渡辺未来・西田恵美 作曲・編曲 : 渡辺未来
8. Successor
作曲・編曲 : 窪田ミナ
9. Schematic
作曲・編曲 : 鈴木さえ子・TOMISIRO
10. Heimdall
作曲・編曲 : 鈴木さえ子・TOMISIRO・窪田ミナ
11. Pulse Internal
作曲・編曲 : 鈴木さえ子・TOMISIRO
12. Innocent Wish
作曲・編曲 : 鈴木さえ子・TOMISIRO
13. Combat
作曲・編曲 : 窪田ミナ
14. Diva in Abyss/歌 : Yami_Q_ray
作詞 : UiNA作曲 : 小高光太郎・UiNA編曲 : 小高光太郎
ストリングス編曲 : 藤井亮太
15. Lost Song
作曲・編曲 : 窪田ミナ
16. Empathy Overdrive
作曲・編曲 : 鈴木さえ子・TOMISIRO
17. Wind Rippers
作曲・編曲 : 鈴木さえ子・TOMISIRO・窪田ミナ
18. 綺麗な花には毒がある/歌 : Yami_Q_ray
作詞 : 西 直紀 作曲・編曲 : コモリタミノル 歌 : Yami_Q_ray
19. Overture at the End
作曲・編曲 : 鈴木さえ子・TOMISIRO
<ボーナストラック>
20. 絶対LIVE!!!!!!メドレー/歌 : ワルキューレ
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>>20131050
>ringo no uta: Freiya Wion
Bruh...
That's a lot of Q-Ray songs tho
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>>20130879
Oh no. They're all hotter.
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https://youtu.be/4Gt5hp-sQAQ

is Max fighting Hayate in this previous trailer? at 0:19
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>>20101241
Plus is actual shit though, with the most retarded plot line that could have been averted if anyone bothered to actually talk to each other like normal human beings
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>>20131085
Looks that way. I think he's training him and asking why he won't bang his granddaughter.
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>>20131041
SDF but I didn't know that about the backgrounds. I'm a sucker for sweeping shots and moments like that
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>>20130561
>>20130559
IF YOU COULD DO THIS THE WHOLE TIME, WHY WASN'T IDOL VS. SEXY EVIL IDOLS THE PREMISE FROM THE BEGINNING INSTEAD OF WINDFAGGOTS?

THIS IS WHAT I ALWAYS FUCKING WANTED
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>>20130552

imagine being so shit you need literal boomer to come back out of retirement to show u how its done
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>>20131157
nah we're getting a slow progression of the world that's the next series. Walkure being employed means every PMC is going to have a tactical sound unit lamo
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>>20131171
"Idols...have changed. They are no longer about entertainment, music or culture. It's an endless series of proxy concerts, fought by hired clones and Auto-voice modulators. Idols-and it's consumption of attention-have become a well-oiled machine. Idols have changed"
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Is Ranka older?mhk4h
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>>20131198
That would be legitimately so good. Funding through military contracts and concerts. I would kill to see literal rap battles with the power of the protoculture and fold thrown at one another while being defended by VFs
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>>20131217
I just figured the next Macross would have to involve multiple idols since the idea of "idol tactical unit" is a real thing surely they can't just be one of them
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>>20131225
Funny thing is that kinda what they did in Macross II.
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>>20131050
I wonder if Yami will have new singers.
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>>20131274
and Macross 7 with the Jamming Birds.
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>>20131115
But what does he need a YF-29 for
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>>20131288
Probably same VAs as Walkure
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>>20118205
Yeah, I like the YF-29 better.
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>>20131299
Thought as much, finding 5 new singers that work well in group would be too much work and money. Still curious to see how different their songs will sound.
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>>20131312
where is my dude looking here?
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>>20130726
With boing boing tho
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>>20131296
Canonically, it's still the most OP fighter in the Macrossverse. It's beyond super elite due to having more fold crystal in its frame than any other valkyrie model, in addition to having the highest thrust and strongest powerplant.

So I would imagine Max managed to procure one that's custom made. This is hilarious though, because it means that all known YF-29 models can't have been built to the original specs as they're all different from the original prototype at this point.
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>>20130895
It's from some databook.
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>>20130879
Who are these
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>>20131388
Walkure
Yami Q-Ray
Yami Kyure
Yami Cure
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>>20131388
Evil walkure
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>>20130552
This is the equivalent of that boomer in Independence Day having to do shit.
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>>20131388
Corrupted Walkure
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>>20131347
Reminds me of how YF-19 could still outpace a lot of the recent models.
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>>20131388
New waifus, Walkure is old and busted.
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What does Idol vs Idol have to be tied to fucking Delta of all things? They should have saved this idea for the next series.
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Hayate is a shit pilot who has to hide behind his windshit girlfriends super powers. Normally I wouldn't even mind but it's just galling when in the same show Mirage had to actually struggle to GIT GUD and then this faggot just takes his Wing Commanders plane, completely unearned.
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>>20131403
These girls are all clones/droidds/whatever so they can still do it again. And Musical Warfare hasn't been this relevant since Macros 7 so all the more reason to do it.
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>>20131413
Macross 7 isn't the same though. For the most part they didn't have music group battles.
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>>20131397
Most of the prototypes in Macross are completely obscene when it comes to both raw performance and the cost to manufacture. YF-29 is up there for a reason – the YF-29B is a stripped down version that they sold to elite operators without all the Fold Quartz, but Max's clearly still has all of his. Forget the fact that the Super Pack contains even MORE.

This man probably spent a small fortune to acquire one.
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>>20131267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok845OkqyVM
whats going on here
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>>20131267
Seems like Ranka will remain flat forever
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>>20131420
Only a handful of named pilots will likely ever pilot that model.
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>>20131595
And that's a good thing.
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>>20131595
>>20131267
Nope hope
Crushed dream
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>>20120700
>I think you're supposed to hate Windermere and while the story tries to justify them a little they're hardly treated like they're completely right. Even Hayate calls them out for being cowards and brainwashing UN pilots to do their fighting. The only reason the Windies and Chaos banded together was to stop Roid from trying to control the entire galaxy. They have a ceasefire now but they haven't made complete peace with the UN yet. I still hate them for acting so self righteous and the wind speak gets old fast. But I do like the Drakens a lot and their planet is pretty. I love snowy regions.
The biggest difference is that this is the first time the enemy actually "declared war", and then was allowed to get away with it.

This makes Delta the first PRO WAR Macross. Directly flying in the face of the history of the franchise being about making peace.
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>>20131296
To solo the entire enemy force while. The fleet that he came with they are just for show
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>>20131907
>This makes Delta the first PRO WAR Macross.
The best defence is a strong offence, as they say
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>>20115939
Either fold crystals or laser gunpods, I think it varies between planes. I know the Draken's are guns, but the 25's are fold crystals
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>>20132678
And on the YF-19/VF-19 and 22, they actually are camera sensors iirc
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Wait, the Delta movies actually continue the story? I thought they were just recap movies
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>>20132698
The first one was a recap, the second one does something new.
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>>20132705
Is the second one the one that hasn't come out yet, or are anons actually discussing a third one in this thread? Also, are there any sotry changes or can I watch the new movie if I've only seen the show?
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>>20132711
>Is the second one the one that hasn't come out yet,
Correct.
>Also, are there any sotry changes or can I watch the new movie if I've only seen the show?
Presumably, Macross movies are usually made for Macross fans who've seen the shows.
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>>20101231
>It's not the greatest but it's still better than Zero, II, and Plus
Retard you didn't mention Frontier. Zero II and Plus shit all over that crap and Frontierfags need to commit suicide immediately.
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>>20131312
nice to see Hayate has a superior replacement for Freya when she dies in a few years
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>>20131312
Why is Freya's Rune "erect" in this picture? Is it the thought of a threesome that's got her all "rune pika"?
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>>20132869
lmao Zero and II didn't even make it into the top 10. Frontier > Plus, Zero, and II. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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>>20132711
The first Delta movie does alter the story significantly, other than a handful of good parts being taken out, it's mostly an across the board improvement.
It almost entirely reworks the second half of the series
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>>20133102
Yeah, by skipping it entirely. Which, honestly, not much of value was missed plotwise, just some character moments for Hayate and Freyja which were inevitably going to be cut with a compilation movie's screentime and the shift to Walkure focus anyway. I'm curious if they'll be making up for that in the second movie or just have them be as close as they are in the TV series despite only knowing each other for a bit in the movie continuity.
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for me, it's the smug evil reina
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>>20133217
I'm loving all these love triangle fanarts we got from the walmart Walkure.
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>>20133890
Hope they're as fun to watch on screen as their character designs promise. I do love smug villain idols.
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>>20133217
>>20136196
if I hear one of them go 'hora hora~' I'll lose it right there
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TRON variable fighter is really growing on me.
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>>20133023
This poll must have been done in a dump, because those rankings are trash.
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>>20136848
Only unusual thing I can see about that list is False Songstress being unusually low
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>>20127100
Same, I love the blockier shapes that make up its legs in battroid mode.
The longer arms also help it too.
The only edit it needed was a more compact backpack
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>>20130552
I wanna believe this is Max so bad, but part of me feels like it could also be a red herring.
It would be cool as shit if he comes back with a exo-skeleton flight suit that supports him in old age, kinda like Mihaly in AC7.
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>>20131030
Freyja is going Terminal
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>>20136903
>I wanna believe this is Max so bad
His VA replied.
https://twitter.com/show_ism/status/1439617593233469446?s=20
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>>20136914
We're going home...
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>>20131060
That's surprising, but also welcome. I REALLY like what I've heard so far. If "Glow in the Dark" is representative of what we can expect from them, then I can't wait to hear more.
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Hayate is so lucky
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>>20139430
But evil Honya
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>>20139430
Last year was cuter. She sound kinda horny this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYbhiqwlOL0
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>>20104037
Xaos is not SMS or Bilrer Transport. Richard Bilrer is owner of SMS. Xaos is another megacorp PMC. However there are some links between the two groups. The VF-31 frame was designed by Aisha Blanchet, one of the heroines of Macross 30. Aisha used to be working for SMS but by Delta she works for Xaos.
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>>20139457
Middle age will do that to a girl
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>>20136406
The model kit is going to be even more of a sticker hell than the Delta designs already are.
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ugh
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>>20139430
They know
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>Alto could keep up with Ohma in an inferior VF
>Hayate could do jackshit besides dancing
Man if he isn't one of the worse pilots
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>>20143699
I mean, Hayate goes into the series with literally zero Valkyrie or even flying experience period. If he wasn't one of the worst MC pilots he'd be a gary stu instead.
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>>20143738
He has some workroid experience though.
If he got a melee VF I could see he made some sick moves but at last Macross is always about spamming missiles and dogfight.
>Hayate gets a VF with pin-point barrier so he can ram it into everyone
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>>20143789
True, but instead he got into the series where they're dogfighting in fighter mode 90% of the time. You really have to wonder what the writers were thinking setting him up with a gimmick then writing as much of the series as possible to make sure he can't put it to use.
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>>20143812
I imagine it was just as simple as planning him to be more battroid focused in the preproduction phase but by the time the action director said “no” it was too late to change it
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>>20143906
True, though even on a fundamental level his enemies shtick' being MUH WIND is inherently a bit incompatible with a ton of battroid action since it implies that they're going to be flying a lot.
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>>20144013
I think the contrast would have been a good opportunity to demonstrate the strengths and weaknesses between battroid and fighter modes in asymmetrical combat and also to just mix up the combat dynamics in general
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>>20144045
That's also a good point.
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But what if he just put some extra booster on his VF and stayed in Gerwalk mode most of the time? The boosters let him fly fast and he can still kick all he wants to.
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>>20143812
He did breakdance a little more in the movie when he was on top of the Windemere ship.
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More dancing would've pissed some fans off anyway. I know some fans that stopped watching after the first episode BECAUSE Hayate was dancing in the VF-171. You can't please everyone...
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>>20143699
>>20143789
>>20143812
https://youtu.be/AXt2GUiSEYk?t=5983 Hayate dances here at 1:39:40
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If there is a draw anon in this thread please draw them as their characters
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>>20145228
Is that the compilation movie? Why is Mirage in a Draken?
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>>20145765
She, Hayate, and the rest of Walkure get captured but Hayate and Mirage manage to escape. Hayate finds Messer's captured VF-31 and Mirage takes one of the stored Drakens for herself. Even uses optical camouflage to change the paint scheme so her allies don't shoot her down.
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>>20145846
>tfw they could have given Hayate a spotlight if he challenged the wind knights to a Battroid 1v1 combat so they would let him and co go if he won
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>>20098897
Still, I think the Macross needed transforming tanks from the very beginning of the series.

And it doesn't matter, on wheels or an air cushion, with a full transformation or partial, but what would have been - in the end, Kawamori has many quite successful designs of such ground vehicles a la Eureka Seven. In addition, the absence of such machines in a universe in which there are transforming submarines and spaceships is complete nonsense and absolute stupidity.

Hell, even the dullest and craziest Gundam Unicorn has surpassed Macross with his DC-50 Lotto
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>>20147057
I disagree. What SDF Macross needed is more screentime for destroids and other non-Valkyrie mechs. Kazutaka Miyatake did god tier designs for Destroids, SDF-1 itself, and Zentraedi mechs and ships, but Kawamori got all the mech design praise for the series just because VF-1. I get it, they pushed VF-1 hard because a transforming toy this good is a hot seller but it didn't have to steal all of the show.

Making everything transforming for the sake of being transforming would lead to late Zeta Gundam silly designs or, even worse, Southern Cross stuff. Kawamori was still green, VF-1 was his peak at the time.
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>>20147077
>Macross needed is more screentime for destroids
No, definitely not. They are superfluous in the world of transformers. Something like Mon-Soono would have looked much more appropriate and meaningful.
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>>20098921
Cute Mirage
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>>20147109
>world of transformers

Do you mean in-universe? VF-1s and SDF-1 were the only transforming mecha in the show. Hardly "world of transformers". SDF-1 hosts 212 Valkyries and 648 Destroids. As I said, Valks are featured more prominently by the virtue of being toy sales pusher stars of the show.

Thinking of it, I wouldn't mind 80th MS Squad style Macross show featuring humble Destroid pilots.
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>>20147077
It's easy to forget that rapid form shifting in the original was almost exclusively done by Max
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>>20147187
>Hardly "world of transformers"
Transformable submarines and bombers, shuttles and spaceships - this is exactly the world of transformers

>humble Destroid pilots
Once again, they are not relevant. Even in the Valkyrie project with the "hover tank" mode after the technical sense than in your favorite walking coffins.
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>>20147222
>Transformable submarines and bombers, shuttles and spaceships
What show are you talking about? SDF Macross has none of these, except for a lone transforming titular spaceship.

You do realize that your pic is a design from the show that was made a year later than Macross, and was never as popular, right?
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>>20147337
>What show are you talking about?
Macross Zero and Frontier also a couple of games. And only destroids, throughout more than half a century of the history of the universe, have remained untransformable iron ingots. It sucks.

>You do realize that your pic...
Yes, I am aware - the picture is only to illustrate a possible design. I can also remind you about Gunhed, as a variant of the "design solution"
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>>20147057
A transforming tank wouldn't be useful in the world of Macross. When most of your enemies are in space and have ludicrous speeds why would you make a slow moving ground only mecha like a transforming tank? It'd be a sitting duck. We already have armored Valkyries if extra armor is needed.
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>>20147874
The fact of the matter is that battles are fought not just in space, but around planetary colonies and migratory fleets. And when the enemy breaks through to the surface of the world or the deck of a mega-ship, then they will need to be protected with something. Destroids are too weak and ineffective like regular armored vehicles (which even the Frontier has, for some reason), so they have to withdraw the Valkyries from the front line, further weakening the defenses. Transformable tanks, with the appropriate level of technology, could be the optimal solution, moreover, they would fit perfectly into the world of transformers.
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>>20148025
No, they wouldn't because they will still be using the same armor as Destroids which get blown up on a regular basis. There's not much reason to invest so much time and resources into variable tanks when Destroids exist. You can't even say that their tank form would offer extra mobility on the ground because gerwalk can already hover quickly on the ground AND fly. I know you really want to see transforming tanks in Macross but they're never going to be viable in this setting. They're too niche. Closest you'll get is something like the Octo from Zero.
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>>20148163
>using the same armor as Destroids
And what prevents the installation of energy-transforming armor on them?

>You can't even say that their tank form would offer extra mobility
Actually, I can. The presence of wheels or tracks will allow transformable tanks to move much faster than destroids, and a change in shape will allow them to use for movement, for example, technical tunnels that are inaccessible to tall robots.

>because gerwalk can already hover quickly on the ground AND fly
However, a purely ground platform is much easier and cheaper to manufacture and maintain. It's much easier to train tank pilots as well - they don't need to fly. Transformable tanks can patrol remote areas of the colonized planet for months with minimal workload on the crews. In addition, I repeat, in the case of transformable tanks, there is no need to interrupt the Valkyries from performing their direct tasks.

>They're too niche
Watch the episodes with the use of the D-50C Lotto from the Unicorn and also the video walkthrough of the games on it - a very clear example of the use of such combat vehicles.
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>>20148277
>And what prevents the installation of energy-transforming armor on them?

They would be using far weaker engines since they're ground vehicles and not space jets.

>Actually, I can. The presence of wheels or tracks will allow transformable tanks to move much faster than destroids, and a change in shape will allow them to use for movement, for example, technical tunnels that are inaccessible to tall robots.

Frontier and later Destroids already have wheels.

>Watch the episodes with the use of the D-50C Lotto from the Unicorn and also the video walkthrough of the games on it - a very clear example of the use of such combat vehicles.

I don't know why you're bringing up UC Gundam into this discussion about Macross. Gundam is so far down on the tech ladder of course they would be feasible in that universe. UC is a series where they're not dealing with enemies that fly at mach 5, missiles are actually a threat, and they're not stuck using short range radar because of Minovsky particles. No reason to make Destroids transform when they already barely do their job at point defense. You don't need mecha to patrol on the ground in the Macross universe since their scanners will pick up anything that tries to Fold into the vicinity and it's better to send your hypersonic jet mecha to intercept then your slow and cumbersome Destroid tank. There's a reason why Destroids were retired to all but the Cheyenne after the first Space War. They're just not that effective again the type of enemies that are regularly encountered in Macross. I can only see them being viable in a pre Space War One setting.
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>>20147659
Go watch Gundam or something then. Macross isn't about tanks and slow ass mechs lol
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>>20148360
It just goes to show you how versatile of a concept are the variable fighters. They can perform in a variety of roles that are usually intended for very specific vehicles. They can operate perfectly in the atmosphere, on the ground, in space and even underwater, as Zero and VFX-2 showed (though they might need to use some weaponry that works properly in those enviroments). Some of the VF models are also able to equip optional mission packs, increasing their survivability and versatility.

>Now I'm just thinking what if in Ace Combat Zero all fighters were VFs
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>>20148547
I totally forgot they can operate underwater too. Briefly you see Brera's VF-27 fly underwater in Frontier. Also the VF-17 and onwards can leave a planet's atmosphere without a rocket booster. Imagine if the Destroid squad detected an enemy Folding in near the planet, they can't do anything to intercept since they can't fly. But a VF on a patrol can leave the planet and intercept in space. No point making Destroids go out on patrol when Valkyries have been doing that since the original Macross. Destroids are better suited staying behind and defending carriers and civilian areas.
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>>20147659
>Macross Zero and Frontier also a couple of games. And only destroids, throughout more than half a century of the history of the universe, have remained untransformable iron ingots. It sucks.
Destroids just dont have any reason to exist, VFs and VBs do everything a destroid does PLUS they can fly and go fast
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>>20148825
Aren't destroids significantly smaller? I also remember them being deployed in the city of the Frontier fleet, and the Macross ship used them as turrets.
They're probably just meant to handle smaller threats and not cause as much collateral as VFs.
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>>20148825
The only reason they exist in universe was to act as prototype testbeds for the battroid form and for cheap AA defense units. They've been obsolete since Plus lol being used for target practice.
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>>20148865
Destroids are probably significantly cheaper and easier to procure than VFs
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>>20148865
Some of them have been repurposed for construction jobs like when we see some Destroids clean up debris or when Hayate used a worker Destroid for his job at the shipping docks moving containers around.
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>>20131312
>evil twin is much better and hotter
nice
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>>20148896
>Custom skins: enabled
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>>20148896
Having a force field in fighter mode is cheating. This thing is going to be a monster if it's mass produced.
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>>20148896
liked it when they first revealed the silhouette but kind of soured on it now, that neon scheme is ugly.
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>>20148547
You got a pic with Delta VF?
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>>20149246
Unfortunately, I don't. That specific pic must've been made before the Frontier Movies, notice the lack of the yf-29 and the yf-30. I do want to see an updated version of this though.
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>>20149273
Going off the DX toys the 30/31 is a little taller than the 25.
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>watch non-anime Walkure MV
>the super JUNNA voice coming out from a tiny girl
It's a shame Delta couldn't reach Frontier heights, JUNNA is so much better than May'n.
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Speaking of destroids, aside from functioning as turrets their most memorable scene in Frontier was in the Macross/Daedalus Attack on the Battle Galaxy's gun. They don't even need legs at this point.
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>>20149897
How do you move them into the positions then?
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>>20149904
have them on rails
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>>20149857
Maybe vocally, but the composition and production behind walkure's music was so generic.
May'n was really boosted by having Yoko Kanno to work with.
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>>20143732
I wish Alto did the kabuki pose more. His signature thing being the salute he gives to Ranka and Sheryl is kinda lame.
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>>20148360
>No reason to make Destroids transform
>>20148547
>They can perform in a variety of roles that are usually intended for very specific vehicles.
>>20148610
>o point making Destroids go out on patrol when Valkyries have been doing that since the original Macross.
>>20148825
>Destroids just dont have any reason to exist,
>>20148875
>They've been obsolete since Plus lol being used for target practice.

People, do you see what you are writing?

Destroids are "outdated and unnecessary," huh? At the same time, they continue to be used both in military service and for civilian purposes.

Destroids "no transformation needed", huh? At the same time, there is a VB-6 Konig Monster in the Frontier - with that "unnecessary" transformation (although here its original design was crossed with a shuttle), they came up with the idea after half a century.

And yes, in the same Frontier, even classic wheeled armored vehicles are still used for what the hell! This means that there is still a niche for ground combat gear.

Okay, even if we discard the Gundam, there is Full Metal Panic! Anotner, featuring a transforming civilian mecha excavator. It turns out an idiotic situation - Macross of the universe of transformers, but at the same time is not able to create adequate transformable ground vehicles, although other mecha-universes coped with this perfectly, even if transformation is a secondary topic there.

It sucks and shame for Macross.
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>>20149988
Look man, it's just not what the series is about.. You can accept it or stay mad.
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>>20149988
Variable fighters are cooler than destroids, simple as. There are plenty of mecha shows with destroid-esque designs taking center stage, but there's only one franchise where fighter jet mecha are the stars.
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>>20149988
>At the same time, they continue to be used both in military service and for civilian purposes.
In a limited range, whenever explosion happens people send Valkyrie to deal with that, not Destroids. Sure Workroids are popular everywhere, but Workroids are used for non-combat purposes.
>At the same time, there is a VB-6 Konig Monster in the Frontier
Yes? VB-6 is still useful like how A-10 is still in service for the USAF. It doesn't mean resources should be invested to make more of those when they could make bigger and better Macross or faster VF.
>in the same Frontier, even classic wheeled armored vehicles are still used for what the hell!
They got rekt by one (1) Varja>>20147874 because they are hilariously less mobile compared to VF. Sure if I were in the military I would want some APC or ground vehicles, but when I want to kill something I will spend more money into VF because they are much, much better.
If you want Variable Tank then you need to find that one fleet with some Soviet guys who have fetish for tanks, then you will have wait for them to develop some superior barrier/APS so those tanks wouldn't get strafe or missiles to death by hostile VF.
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https://liveviewing.jp/overseas/macrossf2021-revenge-eng/
Macross Frontier Revenge live tour will be available to stream for overseas fans.
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>>20150061
Pretty neat, if I remember closer to when it airs I'll buy a ticket.
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>>20149988
I've wasted enough time on explaining to you why Destroids suck so I'm just going to resort to reaction images now.
>>20150015
He seems like the type to go into Ace Combat threads and complain you can't drive tanks.
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>>20148909
BROTHER DONT BE LED ASTRAY THEY MAYBE GOOD BUT DON'T ALLOW YOUR HEART GO TO THE FALSE DECULUTURE
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>>20150346
THEY HAVE A SLICK, BLACK-AND-NEON SUPERPLANE.
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>>20143699
Don't forget Alto dogfighting Brera AND 3 Ghosts simultaneously and holding his own perfectly fine. It shocks me every time how he eliminates 2 of them within 20s and still gets the last one despite being pushed on the backfoot. That shit was downright insane.
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>>20149921
To me, the salute is the "Macross" thing to do. Your got your idols singing, doing really well. Then they start losing and the singing stops. You have to rescue them and/or return to the mothership. Then before you go off on the final suicide run, you MUST give your girl(s) the salute as they sing you straight into the heart of the enemy. It's just tradition at this point.

His salute was more so a reference to Hikaru's in DYRL than anything, but yeah, I do wish he did the kabuki pose more.
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>>20149920
This for sure. I've been disappointed by all but a few May'n works that aren't composed by Kanno. Kanno just has a talent for really making her singers shine. I personally think Sayanora no Tsubasa is still Kanno's magnum opus.
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>>20145005
Gerwalk has like just under 3/4 the available power as Fighter does. The major deciding factor with how fast it can go is air resistance and airframe stress due to no longer being a streamlined shape.
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>>20148360
I don't think the understands that you can't just mount the kind of high output engines that valks use on anything. It would be like mounting a jet engine on a tank irl when planes have fully automated VTOL controls that have a sub-1% error rate.

There is only ONE reason that people even use Destroids still. They're cheap and provide good point defense for their cost. That's it. They do that job just fine, or else Macross vessels wouldn't have staging points in their arms for and body for them.
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>>20148941
The YF-29 could already do that though. In fact, it was the FIRST to be able to do that. Neither that nor this new clearly General Galaxy fighter will ever be mass produced.

Not only because they're monstrously expensive, but because GG's fighter is clearly fucking illegal. Just look at it. You think NUNG knows about this? Hell, NUNG didn't even know the VF-27 was already being mass produced practically right under the new noses.
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>>20149988
why the fuck are you so fucking butthurt over destroids??
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>>20152306
I like Hayate way more than Alto but even I'll admit Alto is the better pilot.
>>20152353
The 31 should be able to use Pinpoint Barriers in fighter mode as well since we see it being used in gerwalk mode.
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>>20152412
The VF-25 can use PPB in gerwalk also. Hell, we see that as far back as the YF-19. I was talking about a full-airframe PPB, which only the YF-29 and this new neon highlighted fighter can canonically do. At bare minimum it seems that four powerplants are mandatory for it. The VF-27 can't do it though, which I assume is a function of how its engines were designed (i.e. for mostly unmanned mass production as throwaways for Galaxy's schemes).

The VF-25 can use a full-airframe PPB too, but only when its onboard power is being supplemented by the Armored Pack. I assume the VF-31's Armored Pack can do the same too.
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If Max of all people is cameoing i wouldnt be suprised if Alto doesn't make an appearance too
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>>20152665
He'll cameo at the end of the Frontier movie.
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>>20152306
It's not necessarily that Hayate's bad, it's just that Alto's a pretty insane pilot.
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>>20152716
Yeah, I wasn't trying to say Hayate was really bad or anything. Just that Alto has the feats to really cement himself at a pretty high rank amongst known protag pilots.
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>>20148896
I hope evil Walkure are piloting those.
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>>20152915
Doubt. I bet its unmanned and controlled by the Siren-Delta-System. It's both the vehicle that transmits and enhances Yamikure's song. Maybe the AI core is even loaded into the fighter at some point.
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>>20152906
Alto was also formally trained as a pilot, to be fair.
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>>20152940
True, but he technically never graduated either. He literally dropped out of school to join the military. But I'm sure practical experience and actual simulator hours are worth way more than a piece of paper. We got very little of the training process he had to go through after all.
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>>20152953
That's just typical shounen mc's fast learning power though.
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>>20152412
I like Hayato more as a character but I preferred Alto's arc better. Hayato kinda speeds through his character development only for it to kinda reappear in the second half of the show. I've heard people say that the show was supposed to be 12 episodes cos honestly Delta feels like it should have been 12 as opposed to 26.
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>>20149920
I think that Jenna has a better voice but May'n is a better singer. Jenna can't sing hard songs.
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>>20152684
I hope that he's in this movie, Frontier had Isamu cameo.
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>>20152978
It actually isn't, Alto was first introduced to flying from Isamu who was friends with his father, that's who taught him the basis, up until his mother died. Then he went to Mihoshi originally in the entertainment section and then transfered into flight school.

After he joined SMS they gave him even more training, there's a montage of it in the TV series. Remember SMS are an Elite mercenary group,literally the best of the best in the universe. In the drama cds and stuff they show that SMS's training regime is very brutal.

Alto is naturally talented yes, but he has a lot of training under his belt.
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>>20154065
You are telling me that some high school kid with less flying hours than a veteran like Ozma surpassed him within months? Yeah no that's shounen mc power.
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>>20154074
Alto in reality has been flying for years, he's been doing it since he was little kid. That time he fell into the cockpit in the first episode/ first movie wasn't his first time in a Valkyrie. He also trains harder than Ozma does. Alto is a natural genius who also works hard to get better and has a solid foundation in flying due to being taught by another genius. Alto is a genius who works his ass off to keep getting better.

While Ozma is a good pilot with experience but he isn't a genius, he has regular old NUNS training. Him being a veteran is the only thing that he has on Alto, sometimes in life a person is just better at a job than you are, because they have a talent for it.
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>>20147874
Not the same guy, but I still like the idea of having a little more focus on ground vehicles in general like in Macross 2. It doesn't need to be the focus since it's a jet series, but still have a presence. Plus ground vehicles are generally smaller and cheaper than valkyries and would fill in some sort of niche role. Like irl, armies aren't just a mass product of jets, bombers, and tanks. There are a wide variety of weapons used for different roles.

This is one reason why I hate Gundam, combined arms warfare gets overshadowed by mass production mobile suits (Gundam being jack of all trades, master of all).

Plus, wouldn't it be cool to see things like a boat valkyrie in pic related?
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>>20154065
>Alto was first introduced to flying from Isamu who was friends with his father
That definitely explains where he got the "hand-plane" thing from. Is that information from the novelization? Where can I find a good scanlation?
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>>20155250
I'm getting tired of that guy, but I don't think he's necessarily completely wrong.

Honestly, Kawamori could draw from his designs for LFOs/KLFs and it wouldn't necessarily look out of place. They have a transformation that's sufficiently different from his normal stuff to give ground vehicles their own thing.
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>>20155250
>combined arms warfare gets overshadowed by mass production mobile suits
I mean that’s the rub with the VF series as a whole. At this point its the multirole platform the modern private military complex aggressively masturbates to. its hard to argue what it can’t do, and to argue if what it cant do even matters in the way Macross works
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>>20155298
Yeah he picked up that habit from Isamu. Sadly no you'd have buy it yourself.
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>>20155695
Damn. Thanks anyway. I wonder what the chances are of getting Bookwalker translations at some point in the near future?
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>>20155250
>but I still like the idea of having a little more focus on ground vehicles in general like in Macross 2
>>20155320
>Honestly, Kawamori could draw from his designs for LFOs/KLFs and it wouldn't necessarily look out of place.
Thanks for supporting the idea of ground transformers. The irony in the Macross situation is that Kawamori himself created very good images of such machines, but in other anime.

And since even in Frontier there are destroyds and wheeled armored vehicles separately, then nothing, in principle, prevents them from connecting them together.

In addition, in the short films Macro 7, there was already an attempt to present a transformable ground mecha (albeit a little humorous).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSgZPi5jnE4
And as I wrote earlier, the application of transformation technology to ground combat gear would allow to harmonize Macross, otherwise it lags far behind other mecha universes in this area.
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>>20157409
Even fucking Robotech managed to make his own original model of a transformable ground vehicle. And only Macross suck off everyone



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