Well, "Ghost in the Shell" and "Apple Seed" have a lot of insect-like mecha, a similar concept is present in "86", as well as many-legged robots are presented in "Patlabor" - this is not counting concepts and amateur works from other sources. But how good is this concept of robotic technology compared to humanoid mechas? What are the pros and cons of it? How difficult would it be to drive such machines compared to bipedal ones? Will it be convenient to use them at work and in battle? Etc... I propose to discuss steel beetles and spiders in the mecha world.
I like when they have grapple hooks, spider mechs are the best non-humanoid mechs.
>>19747594I like it when they have wheels or tracks on their legs for added mobility on even or"smooth"ground.>>19747596 hooks are a great addition.its hard for me to picture them without a big gun.they could make sense as fully automated artillery in areas that you cannot easily reach with wheeled or tracked vehicles.
>>19747749The mecha jumping to spin like a wheel to dodge the incoming tank shell was cool.
Cyberverse Shockwave transforms into a spider (scorpion?) tank, and has non-transforming drones based off himself, both miniature and gigantic.
Another spider tank Transformer, with a bonus piloted-mech mode
>>19748760Another. These ones aren't normally piloted, but a dead one got gutted and turned into a mech for a human buddy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0kAmCWP6IE
>>19747594Off the top of my head, more legs = better stability, lower profile, lower ground pressure & more balanced weight distribution (unless the feet are pointy things for some reason), simpler walking cycles more conducive to being automated, loss of a limb not as detrimental. None of that controlled falling that's commonly known as walking & running.On the other hand, more moving parts to maintain. Also, something something.
>>19748767>>19748760>>19748732God I hate transformers.
>>19747594The Desert Gunners in Dougram are specifically meant to be used in deserts cause their multiple legs give them an advantage when it comes to maneuverability in that terrain compared to the other bipedal Mecha in the series.
>>19747594>Spider Tanks>Any walker for that matterNonsensical when you have caterpillar tracks. Too much stress on too little material. Mechanical too complex. t. mechanical engineer
>>19747594six legged designs are sound as far as safe gait development goes(see insect realm), but the four legged stuff is too unstable, gait-wise. Something that Boston Dynamics will trip over badly in the future.
>>19750067mechanical complexity aside, i'd think smallish 6+ legged tanks would have much better manuverability in varied/steep terrain and urban areas
>>19747594Humanoids can't shoot guns even remotely accurately while walking. Having multiple legs and a fixed mount probably helps makes it viable.
Someone said crabmech?
>>19750067What about wheels?
>>19750415how many wheels are we talking and what's their load per wheel?if it's 4 tiny wheels sliding under some sort of "claws" then you can kiss your design goodbye because that shit wouldn't be able to last a second without the axis bar collapsing. Not mentioning each wheel requires their own engine and suspension system because the legs are so far apart so a 4WD is impossible.
>>19750381Your weapons should be towards the front of the mecha so the rear legs can absorb the kickback of firing cannons, guns or missiles.
>>19750067>t. mechanical engineerI wouldn't hire someone as short-sighted as you.Tank have plenty of limitation and weakpoint and pieces under a lot of stress. Caterpillar are used because this is cost efficient and there's no other choice for now.If we had the controls software needed, the mechanical and material engineering wouldn't be the problem.
>>19747594https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2V8GFqk_Y&t=5sA subsidiary of John Deer developed this some years back. It didn't make it into mass production, because it isn't really an improvement over using a segmented vehicle with large, low pressure tires. Once these things get significantly faster, will will probably start seeing them (at least in the forestry industry).
>>19751187>>19750258>>19750141Hey anons, OP asked for SPIDER, not crab.
I can't believe I only have spider-sized pic.The movie is old but I can't believe I couldn't find better quality pic
>>19749750There is just something about their designs that irk me, idk, I tried understanding it, and giving them a chance, but something is just really off.I never liked cars or trucks or stuff like that growing up, so maybe that's part of it, and I'm not a fan of transforming gimmicks, so all I'm left with is the robot form to like, which I don't.
>>19752420>not a fan of transforming gimmickssame, it's a step too far and too fantastic
>>19747594jUGGERNAUT LOOKS BRETTY COOL.
>>19755534But his modification - Reginleif - is much cooler
>>19747594does the AT-Te count or is that more of a buck in terms of shape?
Dominion Tank Police also had spidertanks that broadly resembled the Ghost in the Shell ones because Shirow.
>>19750501>wouldn't be able to last a second without the axis bar collapsingwhy
>>19755769Can't wait to see the damn thing animated. Federacy forces literally shat bricks from what 86ers could do with them.
>>19755534 >>19762919 >>19755769 >>19750143My General Use & Shin variant kits are in the mail. Can't wait to get my hands on them. I really hope the show & kits do well enough that Bandai gives us more of the legion & future arcs tanks/mechs as kits. In particular I want a Lowe kit.
>>19764292They announced a gunner variant right? They have to do an XM-2 at the least.
>>19764399If you mean the long barrel variant I've got that one pre-ordered as well, but it doesn't come out till early July iirc.
>>19762919>>19764292I have always been a supporter of humanoid mechas and exoskeletons, but after getting acquainted with anime and light novel about the eighty-sixths, I became interested in the concept of insect-like robots. However, I believe that too many legs will only interfere with control. How many stilts can be considered optimal? Do such mechas need a tank turret, or is it better to place weapons in the limbs?
>>19764526That model in particular is handled by yorha-like androids, so it's okay.I think XM2 has the most balanced design in the story, especially with piledrivers in its massive 4 legs. Shin is the only one who uses the blades anyway, so that secondary part of arms can be swapped to turrets.
>>19764526 >>19765052This particular unit is also built for cold weather regions and icy terrain, so they built it with extraneous legs with spiked ends to always have good footing.
>>19766980Another unit built by the same nation.
>>19750067Imagine thinking that walking draglines weighing 5000 tons don't exist
One time I had a dream in which I was in one of these, travelling around and selling air conditioners to random people in the desert, so I drew it
>>19750067>t. mechanical engineerNo, you're not.
This looks really doable. Boring tho.
>>19747617>>19747615I always liked that version a lot more than the newer model that actually goes on the rampage. It looks so much cooler.
>>19751152The Timberjack wasn't designed to be more efficient, it was designed to be less disruptive to the environment. Obviously the logging industry isn't going to pony up for something like that if they aren't forced to.
>>19750258>>19751224everything evolves into crabs
There was a giant mechanical spider in a parade in Toulouse, France in 2018.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbVfM25YbL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfwMV5aJ7nMand another shot of that parading spider-mech
Sea-spider mech from opening title of Kaitei Shonen Marine aka "Marine Boy"
>>19772393Look like so.
>>19779868Are those underwater units or something?
>>19780309Still mad we don't get to drive one of these. Fucking Destiny.
>>19780336I don't know honestly. I haven't read into the LNs far enough to see this one yet. Given the design I would say it's probably amphibious rather than underwater. Thus the almost boatlike underside.
>>19750534I’ve been in love with this labor ever since it appeared in the patlabor movie, sexy vehicle
>>19750461Good god this picture makes me feel old.
>>19750067I'm an aerospace engineer (you but smarter) and I can easily see walking, flying mechs becoming a reality. The only things stopping them is their center of mass problem, energy source and strength of our materials. You sound like the people 1000 years ago who thought humans would never fly.
>>19781229What about square cube law?
>>19785409Just bribe the politicians to repeal it lol.
Hey guys I'm taking my lobster to go to the secret lagoon, I heard there's a mysterious ancient orb there, wanna join me?
Are spider mechs better piloted, or AI-driven?
>>19747594Generally speaking a spider-tank style design makes a lot more sense than a bipedal mech. Lower profile, better weight distribution, simpler balance concerns, not having to reinvent the wheel completely on weapon or internal systems versus a conventional armoured vehicle, there's a ton of reasons. More mechanical complexity and potentially more weakpoints are issues but if you're talking about mecha you really don't give a shit about those to begin with anyway.
>>19767465Very cool anon, I like the neck
>>19794754Look up "walking draglines". Technically bipedal.
>>19747749>tactical rollHOW IN THE FUCK
>>19747749>Make AI-controlled legged tanks>Load them with live ammo for their weapons>Give them the ability to fire the weapons instead of just providing firing solutions>Be surprised when they glitch out and shoot up your forcesI know it's a B-movie, but you would think fictional militaries would make sure that only humans could fire the guns their AI controls. It's cheaper, safer, and less of a legal liability risk.
>>19803726That's the doctrine of the French army. No weapon meant to kill can be fired without an human giving the order.Some army doctrine may not make that choice.
>>19783439Are tread + legs the strongest combo?
>>19804274It's certainly powerful although some would argue for wheels+legs.
>>19747594>>19747718https://youtu.be/f_XiSfdIvo0https://youtu.be/m-que9of4kQ?t=327Legged excavators already exist irl as niche vehicles for engineering on extreme surfaces like dams and mountainsFictionally, maybe they can be extended as artillery/AA platforms that can reach areas where conventional vehicles/mechs can't?>>19750067you were saying?>>19803181>>19748436Hey, it works for spiders irlhttps://youtu.be/ltvLo2vNls0?t=118
>>19804582Reminds me of the mechs from Just Cause 3. How they're 4 legged with omnidirectional rollers as the feet. Funny how a game as ridiculous as Just Cause, actually has the most realistic mech design I've ever seen from any piece of media ever.
Beware the space spider!
>>19747594low key, insects and other living animals are comprised of machine like system/parts more simple than human anatomy. it would make sense to steal some of natures already proven ideas.
>>19755534How are the model kit sales? The quality is great, from what i've seen in reviews.
>>19811855I'm really happy with them. They're very detailed for 1/48 scale & highly articulated..