Not trying to rag on it or anything but how the fuck do normies and some anons actually like Unicorn? Like enough where they put it as one of the best gundam entries? I have the same thought with 0083 (although fine, I can see why with that gorgeous animation) and 008th MS team but seriously... Unicorn?
>>19542543Unicorn has good animation and a shitload of cool ms ranging from old msv to some really nice new designs like the jesta, sinanju, and delta plus.
>>19542543even 0083 has SOUL where Unicorn doesnt
>>19542550Boring snoozefest CG animations. No offense but it can't hold anything compared to the 2D animated Gundam series.Designs are okay though. ZZ had better unique designs imo.>>195425550083 is a little overrated in the mainstream eyes desu but even so it's still a fucking gorgeous and cool piece of shit. At least it doesn't actively try to shit on UC in which unicorn does.
>>19542543Well, It has a half solid plot that only kinda shits the bed with endgame newtype fuckery that I personally can handwave since it amounts to didily really. Pretty much all the characters outside of the MC are pretty cool and interesting. Music is amazing (dont @ me thats the one thing you cannot dispute). MS designs are pretty on point. and despite what >>19542556 says, the amount of 2d animation there is also very impressive and the 3d stuff is usually subtle enough outside of some bad examples. a large part is still really good 2d animation, like whenever a beam weapon hits something and it melts and the sure weight that innertia that a lot of things have.All and all very decent for a gundam show. Not the best, but there is nothing egregious to sperg about its very UC, (besides again, very end newtype fuckery)
>>19542543"Normies" don't give a fuck about muh "ruined UC" unlike most of the autists here.
>>19542608Without watching UC what's the point of Unicorn? I don't think it can stand on its own.
>>19542612neither does chars counter attackand a lot of zeta only is so good with 0079 foreknowledge.Also, i completely disagree. It does expect you to have seen previous uc stuff with the amount of callbacks, but the core plot is all self contained within the series.
>>19542543Because we can disconnect ourselves from Banana-G, which is the absolute worst part of it, and just enjoy the MS fights porn and the godly OST instead.
>>19542543Unicorn has the illusion of depth. All the dramatic music and shots of Very Serious Men having Very Serious Discussion covers up for the fact that it's fucking horseshit.
>>19542543>how dare people like things I don't like
>>19542556>Boring snoozefest CG animations.Confirmed for not even watching the series you're bitching about.
>>19542543if something has good animation then "normies" wouldn't care less about how good or bad the plot really is.you just need decent animation and you've got an awful lot of people who would like it based on "it has pretty colors" or some shit like that.same happened with evangelion 3.0 and evangelion 3.0+1.0 amazing animation because they used 3DCG models and stuff but the story is so awful that you'd think that nobody would like those movies but now shin eva Is the Franchise's Highest-Grossing Film ever,,in japan.
>>19542543Good animation, good artstyle, decent supporting cast, great soundtrack, awesome fight cinematography, and superb sound/voice-acting (specifically the dub) can all make an enjoyable casual viewing. Not to mention being 26 episode is the sweet spot for the average viewer to feel invested. But that episode count, cinematography, and sound design/va is what keeps me finishing to the likes of other gundam shows where minor nitpicks can become unbearable after 30 episodes
>>19542798>26 episode>he didn't watch the OVA
>>19542725>amazing animation because they used 3DCG models and stuffNigga what the fuck are you talking about?
I enjoy Unicorn. But my friend solely likes it because of the animation, and can't wrap his head around watching any older stuff. I think he just likes what people tells him to like.
>>19542612>>19542543Unicorn's story doesn't actually need the context of UC to be understood.Because at the heart of the story is the character drama of Banagher and Mineva's relationship with the war only serving as a backdrop.Once you start viewing Gundam Unicorn as a fairytale that just happens to be set in UC(which is pretty obvious given all the imagery) and not a war story then it starts to fall into place.>>19542725Haven't seen the new film, but I thought 3.0 was the best one imo.It actually introduced a unique character arc for Shinji in the rebuilds which made the 3rd feel more like a proper film while the last two films just regurgitated abridged content from NGE and were just compilation films at best.
>>19542818yeah if anything knowing UC lore outside of "there was a war and a gundam and a CHAR_ and stuff" really is where Unicorn gets into the weedsotherwise you just go "oh okay space princess yeah"
>>19542556>At least it doesn't actively try to shit on UC in which unicorn does.Yeah, that's what i was getting atWhether you like or hate the content of the story, the story doesn't disrespect the source material nor does it resort to retarded fanfic-tier bullcrap. Its hype is purely its own without resorting to bad gimmicks.>>19542612>>19542618Unicorn is best understood if you DO know all the Unicorn background, the problem is that the more you know about UC at large the worse you realize Unicorn is. People who don't know too much about UC enjoy Unicorn because it has enough to engage you without relying on that background info but at the same time shits all over it.
>>19542543I don't get it ether, because the exposition that's supposed to get you up to speed with UC lore and politics is SUPER fucking dry and robotic, and it takes up most the show. I can't imagine it's too exciting for newcomers.
>>19542543>Not trying to rag on it or anything but how the fuck do normies and some anons actually like Unicorn?>>19542612>Without watching UC what's the point of Unicorn?wow cool robotthat's it
>>19542543Why do people like Votoms?Shitty taste can't be explainedI agree with you Unicorn is abysmal though
>>19542543The story is nothing new, but it comes at a better pace because they didn't have to follow the forced TV standards.When some SERIOUS SHIT happens, it has real value and meaning (within the plot), unlike pretentious garbagio such as Gundam Wing.It suffers from a lot of crappy exposition dumps about the newtypes, but the story doesn't really start to fall apart until the last episode of the OVA.Some of the music by Same-Song Sawano is actually quite good.CGI was used as a blueprint for the animation (like in GaoGaiGar), but the de-facto animation is 2D and it's conveys scale and weight better than many other Gundam shows.
>>19542543Rather than write up a new post (or posts) explaining my feelings I'm just gonna cannabilize a post I made on another forum a few months ago:I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I actually prefer Unicorn to Char's Counterattack, both because I'm not a huge fan of Char's Counterattack and because I actually like Unicorn despite it's flaws. Char's Counterattack is, in my opinion at least, an otherwise mediocre film buoyed by a really strong finale. I also don't think Char's Counterattack adds much to the canon or lore of UC, and more than anything I just don't like it's central premise (i.e. the conclusion of Amuro and Char's rivalry). I don't like it because their rivalry already had a strong conclusion in the original show, and both characters appeared to have started moving past it in Zeta with no suggestion there was any real rivalry left. Which I thought was an interesting direction for their characters. Then Char's Counterattack comes along and goes "nope, they actually still have a rivalry that's been festering with years but now we're REALLY going to conclude it and then shuffle both characters off the board so that nothing more can be done with them". Which, frankly, fuck you. Even the advertisements for the film were about how the film was the conclusion of a rivalry years old from what I've seen, and you can't claim it's years old if you're only just re-introducing it after nearly a decade of closure just to close it again.
I've seen people talk about how Char's Counterattack also functions as a conclusion to the Federation/Zeon narrative of early UC, but I think that's bunk personally. The film has nothing to say about that conflict, no-one involved has any more insight in to the conflict by the film's end than they did at the start and more than anything, there are actually still extant Zeon units fully engrossed in their cause at the close of the film in the crew of the Rewloola, at the very least. You could reasonably say that Londo Bell or other Federation units would have captured them, but even if they did then the people aboard still believed in Char and Zeon as a cause and were distraught when they realized Axis was moving away. Which is one of the final moments in the film, several minutes after we see some Geara Dogas go to help Amuro. Char is also implied to have some support in the colonies during the film, with Amuro talking about how every time Londo Bell searched the colonies for him over the last two years, the populace hid Char and revolutionaries bombing the guns on another cylinder in Zeon's name. Those people certainly have no reason to be dissuaded about Zeon in the film. No-one in Sweetwater is ever given reason to doubt Char either. So it's no wonder there's Zeon remnants in Unicorn, NT etc.
On the other hand, I like that Unicorn at least attempts a reason for why people support Zeon and why conflict between Zeon and the Federation faded away. It's reasoning for why might not be great, but I like that it attempted to do so given that Zeon had risen up against the Federation at least 4 times even before Unicorn and it was obviously representative of an ideology that had some draw; so it's kind of weird people would just give up on it all of a shot after 4 rebellions in the space of 15. I also think it has some really interesting characters in Marida, Riddhe and Zinnerman at the very least, some fun if superficial characters like Otto and Daguza, some interesting slow scenes like the dinner at Palau and Mineva talking to the diner owner on Earth, some good fights (Torrington/Dakar for instance) and some good music and animation. It's almost the opposite of Char's Counterattack for me in that I feel it's strong for the most part, but has a weak finale.Also, for as bland as Banagher is in general I do like that he was pulled between the Federation and Zeon and experienced a bit of both over the course of the story, staying with, talking to and seeing the viewpoint of people in both camps. He's the first protagonist to really spend time immersed in Zeon so far as I recall, and I think that's something the franchise should have done before if it's going to go all in on them as consistent villains (which Tomino had done long before Unicorn). The scenes where he rejects Zeon also tend to be some of his better scenes, such as the aforementioned scene of him pointing out that the colony drop wasn't worth the cost while eating with a Zeon family at Palau, or him beating up Zinnerman while pointing out the hypocrisy of letting the Zeon remnants murder innocents to satisfy his own revenge based on the Federation murdering innocents. He could have had a stronger presence and personality outside those scenes, but he had some good scenes regardless.
Furthermore, I like that the core premise is basically a treasure hunt through early UC locations for keys to the mystery box, because it acts as both a framing device for nostalgia and allows for some narrative weight around "here's why Zeon and constant fighting is kind of shit". The box at the end of that hunt was pretty dumb, but the journey there was good and the journey is more important than the destination. I even like the expansion of psycoframe technology too, since I think it's kind of weird that such a major technological leap was (almost) abandoned after Char's Counterattack; though to be honest, it's mostly the implication in NT that psycoframe is a technological singularity that I like and even that's tempered by (a) the knowledge the entire point is to explain why it's gone, and because of that (b) that people treat psycoframe not as a cause of opportunity, but of fear. Even Michele, who talks about it as a singularity, mostly fears it and just thinks it can be exploited despite the dangers. I know some people are opposed to the use of psycoframe after Char's Counterattack, because they feel it makes things a bit too magical, but even putting aside that I think that fantastical element was already pretty apparent in UC, I like when Gundam gets kind of weirdly science fantasy at least some of the time and think psycoframe is an interesting device to use to convey that precisely because it can make wishes reality and that can be used to show a lot at the climax of a story as well as feeling like it could just be used to explore some interesting ideas as a central element on it's own because it's basically a wishing stone in sci-fi skin. I know it can't be a part of major UC productions going forward after Banagher and Mineva eventually lock it away in Unicorn 2 or something, but I enjoy it while it's there.
>>19542543It looks pretty and *sounds* smart.That's it really, but even Unicorn is barely known among normies, they usually go for IBO nowadays and claim it's the best in the franchise when they've seen like 2 shows.
>>19542618>neither does chars counter attack>and a lot of zeta only is so good with 0079 foreknowledge>sequel stories need to rely on having knowledge of the original to appreciate themWow what a concept
>>19542806I'm not talking about the mecha animation but the characters, they used 3d models to trace the movements over them you will see what I'm talking when 3.0+1.0 is released overseas. >>19542818I know taste is subjective but 3.0 introduced a lot stuff that has been dropped in 3.0+1.0, the last movie did 3.0 retroactively worse anyway 3.0 is dumb and artificially extended the length of the movie ("everyone is mad at shinji for destroying the world") but then we get 3.0+1.0 and nobody is mad at shinji over that and they even admit that how the handle the situation was wrong which I have been telling for over 8 years.Also all the characters that were introduced are dropped hard, the 14 years between 2.0-3.0 is not explained at all (they hinted shinji really didn't destroy the world), Asuka having a crush on a boy she met for two weeks doesn't make any sense, Rei being trapped in the Eva 01 has no reason at all (and you will see why) everything in these movie is stupid or contradict each other or straight contrived.3.0 is actually unnecessary nothing really happens you just get what you need to know in the first 12 minutes of the movie and everything thereafter is absolutely nothing because nothing really happens.. Shitty movie.And 3.0+1.0 is just... Weird.Is it worth the wait? Absolutely NO.There's nothing in the movie that required time or effort (not even the animation) and sure as hell that ending wasn't earned even less knowing what really means.
>>19542556>0083 is a little overrated in the mainstream eyes desu but even so it's still a fucking gorgeous and cool piece of shit. At least it doesn't actively try to shit on UC in which unicorn does.lol replace 0083 with 08th MS Team.
>>19542556Its 98% 2D animated dood there's not much CGI at all in unicorn
>>19542692Nice job simplifying the series without providing any meaningful points
>>1954279826 episodes?!its just 7 bro lol.Oh right there's a TV version that exists. i forgot it did.Yeah don't judge unicorn by the 26 episode edition its not as good.
>>19543789>not as goodUnfortunately some people need a dumbed down version of Unicorn so they don't get filtered. Sorta like G-Reco, really.
New type fuckery ugly modern designs.Look at this fucking retarded machine with its glowing magic lights and cheese grater edges. You can not tell me that's an actual 60ft weapon system that anyone would every intentionally design.
>>19543766>08th MS Team>0080>0083The holy trinity
>>19543819No Gundam looks like a 60ft weapon anyone would design. Not even many mobile suits full stop look like something someone would deliberately design as a weapon of war. Some of them present the illusion of military appeal through paint jobs or camo (which usually isn't even good for the environment they operate in at that), but giant robots aren't something someone is going to design as a weapon for a whole multitude of reasons. Unicorn isn't really any worse in that regard for having some lights on it than the RX-78 or whatever else you want to name.
>>19543873Gundams and mobile suits are, by default, ridiculous but we're all still here so obviously we've accepted a certain base level. However there's a spectrum of how much bullshit I'm willing to tolerate and that's highly contingent on the *attempts* to play it straight and allude to some fictionalized sence of realism. Colour choices, lights, and geometry all play into that. Needlessly complex designs wrapped in RGB lighting and increasingly spiky and edged geometry which don't even pretend to have some mechanical function pushes me out of that Overton window.
>>19543819That's cherry picking, considering this critique only applies to two machines. All the new Neo Zeon mobile suits look great
>>19543902>needlessly complexIn-universe maybe, but a number of lead Gundams can be accused of really stretching the limits of plausible design choice. Step outside the confines of the story and it's clear as day, Unicorn is designed the way it is to be a gigantic flex on the plastic model industry, and Gundam flexes on the industry quite regularly as is if you stop to look at how Bandai engineers their kits.
>>19542543100% it's because the animation is pretty. I guarantee a bunch of people don't even remember the plot of this let alone watched all the series leading up to it. It is carried solely on its animation quality
>>19543947That's a good point, though it doesn't really have any impact on how I judge whether or not I think something is ugly. I don't collect gunpla but if I did I wouldnt buy these Uber intricate hero suits because, despite the technical marvel of making them, they still look like shit to me.
>>19543902> there's a spectrum of how much bullshit I'm willing to tolerateCool. Unicorn doesn't violate that spectrum for me any more than the RX-78 did. Or even the Zaku II, frankly. The original Gundam can also be accused of needlessly complex design and garish color design for instance. It's worse if anything, since it has a more varied color palette and splits into 3 parts that combine on the fly.
>>19543977I don't think you could really accuse 0079 of needlessly complex designs aesthetically considering its bare bones 70s animation, though mechanically you could, the core fighter, 3 part gundam is retarded. Frankly, 0079 is pretty goofy but it lays simplistic foundations that are refined in later iterations and higher fedelity depictions.
>>19544001I'm not sure why you think the transformation isn't a part of it's design. Even then, the RX-78 includes quite a lot of superfluous details, especially in the head. It might not be as complex as the Unicorn, but it's also more complex than it needs to be and only so it's more visually appealing to kids.
>>19544040>I'm not sure why you think the transformation isn't a part of it's design.Aesthetically speaking based on its exterior, the transformation doesn't make its self apparent when fully configured, so much so that I often forget about it (intentionally or otherwise), granted this is reinforced by the fact I watched the compilation movies which, if I recall correctly, downplay it significantly.As for the RX 78's detailing it is largely localized to the head rather than the entire chassis and, as you note, it remains less complex than unicorn, falling on the softer side of the spectrum that I'm willing to accept. The fact that the RX 78 is the original gundam also encourages me to appreciate it.
>>19543924Is it really cherry picking if its the star of the show? Most grunt suits are alright, but otherwise the penchant for spiky shit and jagged geometry is reflective of a lot of the MS in this show.
>>19542543Let me guess, you probably think 0080 is the best Gundam show and Kamille is your favorite newtype because he's as autistic as you are. Totally not a normie though. What's with all the shit threads on /m/ lately?
>>19543819Newtype fuckery is its greatest sin for me. If I want space wizards I'll watch star wars or read 40k.
>>19543231>He's the first protagonist to really spend time immersed in Zeon so far as I recall, and I think that's something the franchise should have done before if it's going to go all in on them as consistent villainsAgreed, he's a dull as fuck character himself but I like that he was used to give The Sleeves/Neo-Neo-Neo Zeon a chance to explain themselves, something which really would've helped in previous entiries I think>>19543873That's great but it's still ugly as fuck
>>19544235>That's great but it's still ugly as fuckkek, basically
>>19544136It's only less complex if you ignore the parts that are more complex. Which you're obviously comfortable doing, but they exist regardless. The torso is overly complex for it's function because of that transformation too, and has some extra detailing that doesn't even need to be there with the transformation. The waist for instance has 4 boxes that have no apparent purpose; two yellow ones on the front, two white ones on the sides. The centerpiece at least houses the heatshield, but the boxes aren't explained in show. Lore apparently points to them as sub-generators, but you'd need to read a databook to know that. The real reason is just to break up the design a bit, but from an in-universe point of view they're useless within the show.>>19544233Or watch any Tomino entry in UC.
>>19543789>>19543799how is the tv version different from the moviie version? is the pacing horrible? what else?
>>19545047It's literally the OVA chopped up and given recap narration to fit the demands of weekly half hour broadcast scheduling.
>>19545056Oh fuck, that sucks. I felt like i watched one episode and the animation was worse too. but that might just be my memory.What is the purpose of that? its not like most people wont binge watch it anyways. not to mention the formating of the story structure seems to be less episodic.
>>19545069Ostensibly to fill in for a timeslot that got abruptly vacated, but I can't for the life of me remember the specifics.
I like how Unicorn tries to be unapologetically optimistic but the way it gets there is awkwardPlus the technology feels weird in the greater scope of the UC, I haven't seen Victory but nothing I saw in F91 can hold a candle to the shit I saw in Unicorn. Jestas alone would've wiped Crossbone Vanguard let alone time traveling super Zeongs/Gundams but that's just a personal gripe that doesn't really matter
>>19545247>Jestas alone would've wiped Crossbone Vanguardyou're just being fooled by modern animation, just because it LOOKS more advanced doesn't mean it actually is.Spec wise the F91 suits still generally outclass most MS in Unicorn.And the jestas in particular are very limited production units only given to a handful of elite pilots and they match up fairly evenly with F91's grunts.Plus the MS in F91 are far smaller.
>>19545247>I like how Unicorn tries to be unapologetically optimistic but the way it gets there is awkwardLike a lot of UC stuff the hopeful endings become very dower because you know things won't really improve but just keep moving onward
>>19545384The whole point of Banagher refuting Frontal's nihilism addresses this: you can point to all the inevitable downer moments in the future like what's going to happen once F91 rolls around, with the heat death of the universe as the ultimate bad end that makes everything pointless in the end, but >EVEN SOyou should work towards a better tomorrow rather than just give up.
>>19542997>unlike pretentious garbagio such as Gundam WingSee, I almost liked your post but then you had to sprinkle in some dumbass shit
>>19542556Please watch things before you talk about them, Anon.
>>19543778I can do one better:> "Shit's fucked, it's all pointless."> "But EVEN SO"
>>19542543Grunt porn. Also Mineva is best girl.
>>19549345She had great character development but so did Marida Cruz....
>>19542543I've started rewatching Unicorn since I saw this thread yesterday, I gotta say I've been enjoying it more than I remembered (though I'm at episode 6 so the worst is yet to come). My only big issues with it so far are that Riddhe is terrible in basically every way and a lot of the dialogue feels like bad attempts at Tomino speak. I'll finish it tomorrow and see if my opinion on it changes
>>19549471Are Purus always doomed to die?
>>19550023Only if they get character focus. There are probably still half a dozen or more who escaped in ZZ's finale, since they aren't shown dying on screen and aren't even implied to have died off-screen. They just stop being relevant once Chara dies, and she only kills 2 or 3 of them. One of them is even shown in an Evolve episode, following Judau to Jupiter. So there's one at Jupiter with him.
>>19544001This is the art for the Ver Ka right? Damn I might actually buy this since I don't have an RX-78 yet. Might paint the blue a little lighter though.
>>19542543It's all flash and no substance. It's the MCU of Gundam.
>>19542618>neither does chars counter attack>and a lot of zeta only is so good with 0079 foreknowledge.Yeah, which is why it's only Gundam fans who even care about them. Meanwhile, randoes who've never seen any UC still seem to like Unicorn, that's the mystery here
>>19545384>>19545405If you look at the Universal Century as a whole its one of the most nihilistic works of fiction in existence.Despite the constant sacrifice and blood spilt nothing ever really changes. The sacrifices of Kamille and the so many AEUG that died? Pointless more even worse newtype tyrants rise to power. The sacrifice of misguided char, and his rival Amaro? Pointless Amaro saved a corrupt rotting system, while Char failed to cause any real Change to the world
Are you fucking kidding me?Animation is great. It relies on a realistic historical tapestries. Now as a New England resident I have seen the unicorn hunt tapestries at The cloisters however I have not seen the ones in the anime. Nevertheless it still is more of a rounding realism that I've seen in any other gundam.Finally it has a pretty epic opening where the guy overcomes some internal family struggle and becomes more than he is. Yeah basically after the first episode everything goes off the rails but still gives me a good enough taste my mouth to enjoy the entire anime
its alright, even though most other UC entries are much better (excluding twilight axis and narrative).
NT had much less annoying characters than Unicorn, and didn't drag nearly as hard.
>>19549827Finished it, the final battle (both the fight itself and the idealogical one) aren't that good but the soundtrack definitely helps. Overall It was better than I rememebered it being but still has lots of issues. The ost left me feeling incredibly excited for the Hathaway's Flash films since Sawano will be scoring them
Fucking sue me but I liked Unicorn
>>19548944Pretty realistic actually. Even though the real world is shit, there are still 7 billion people on this planet including us who didn't kill themselves yet
>>19550248Yeah UC Gundam has the Star Wars problem
>>195425430083 is fun in how absurd it is, also dendrobium vs neue ziel
>>19553872At least it's one which can move on from previous works protaganists or delegate them to secondary or near cameo roles. Star Wars both in Legends/Old EU and Disney can't get away from Muh OT cast as they just have to try and drag them forwards constantly. At least Disney solved this problem in a post ST era by having them being dead so no writers can have "SUDDENLY <OT CHARACTER> SHOWED UP TO HIJACK THE PLOT" Although at this point it'd just be pulling a SEED Destiny.
>>19553872At least it hasn't put out anything embarrassing like Rise of Skywalker
>>19554073>Although at this point it'd just be pulling a SEED Destiny.So becoming one of the best parts of the franchise.
>>19542543I haven't watched all of it admittedly(well in whole, though I've seen clips from every episode and know the overall rough plot), but what I have seen of it seemed more than reasonably competent, and while what I have heard of how the plot goes towards the end does seem kinda silly, overall the hatred a lot of people on this board give Unicorn just comes off as them being silly and contrarian for the sake of being contrarian rather than having much of an actual argument against it>>19542595>like whenever a beam weapon hits something and it meltsthat definitely is something that puts Unicorn above and beyond most other Gundams I've watched, Thunderbolt's basically the only other one to consistently match it in that regard>>19542818>Unicorn's story doesn't actually need the context of UC to be understood.true not much is actually needed beyond the basics that it'll cover, Thunderbolt December Sky is much the same in that regard(less so with Bandit Flower though)
>>19542556>Boring snoozefest CG animations?????????????????????? retard
>>19554454The franchise is nearly as old as Star Wars and has been consistently making output for much longer. It's not gonna happen.
>>19554447>>19554454RoS was able to happen because of unique circumstances.You'd have to be intentionally incompetent to make a fuckup on that level or one that surpasses it.
>>19548752Wing is garbage though.
I'm a sucker for gay overly optimistic space shit so the finally episode, especially Mineva's speech at the end with On Your Mark playing in the background really got to me
>>19554641Gundam has a big advantage of using AUs as a safety valve for all the really stupid stuff.