So, what's preventing Sunrise from remaking the entirety of 0079 with proper animation instead of the shit CGI they used for the Origin ovas, like how they did for the A Baoa Qu scene in the Battlefield Record 0081 game? https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2wqscyThe style, the animation, the choreography and the feeling of it were all perfect, and they could include all of the million MS variations they have here and there so kids want to buy their shit again. I know it'd be expensive, but it'd print money and it would reinvigorate the genre, come on!
>>19538057Is there a wave of trolls going on? /m/ seems flooded in retarded takes at the moment.
Because the money's all in the model kits, and they've shown time and again that OYW model kits will sell like hotcakes even without any current OYW animation project
>>19538101I think he’s legitimately asking but to answer his question they might have an unwritten rule on remaking shows which is why the origin anime stopped before the events of the original show occurred
>>19538057same reason Disney isn't remaking OT Star Wars
>>19538057japan is not into making remake of old shit.
>>19538057Why would they need to?
>>19538057It was funny that a couple anons on this board kept pushing the idea that Sunrise HAD to be planning a full The Origin adaption remake for the 40th anniversary after seeing the success of the OVAs. The original series and its movies are fine as they are, there's no reason to remake them.
>>19538057they fear The Tomino
>>19538224> Resident Evil 1, 2 and 3 have been remade completely in the last few years, and there'll probably be a remake of 4 too> Final Fantasy 7 remake is one of the most hyped games of the last few years, there'll be at least one more game to finish the remake (probably several) and Squenix recently announced a few side games coming off it to explore lesser explored aspects of the original game> Space Battleship Yamato abd it's sequel have received big budget remakesSure.
>>19538103>>19538226But anything that isn't OYW tanks, doesn't it? As I said, it'd help to reinvigorate the genre.>>19538164Dude, TFA was almost a shot for shot remake of the first one, come on.>>19538224That's BS, they remake old anime all the time.
>>19538243Yeah, that would have been great. The movies cut a lot of the jank from the original run, but it still is pretty old looking. It didn't age as well as Zeta and anything afterwards did.>>19538257He could supervise it, like how Stan Lee gave them the ok to the Marvel movies before the man passed away.
They partially did so for games like Journey to Jaburo and Encounters in Space, literally shot-for-shot reanimation, so something tells me Sunrise treats a MSG remake like Square-Enix treats FF7 Remake - their "ace in the hole" money-making thing that they don't want to pull without good reason. Besides, they're already making oodles of money off of the surrounding OYW stuff anyway.
>>19538290Better get to it before Ikeda and Furuya pass away, then.
>>19538057>Origin>bad CGwhat did he mean by this
>>19538381That the CGI is bad. It makes the Mobile Suits to make a lot of wacky unnecessary movements and to make them feel weightless. And no, it's not cause they're in space, cause there's this thing called inertia, which is what they lack. Compare that to any scene in 2D and it's like night and day, since the mechas move in very deliberate ways, like how a real combat vehicle would, making fight choreographies look a lot more realistic.
>>19538272>But anything that isn't OYW tanks, doesn't it?Afaik IBO kits sold out really fast
>>19538057Because they've finally acknowledged that OYW needs a rest and that's why all bets are off for the next 100 years project. Kit sales have slumped slightly due to OYW burnout over the years. This new era of a Gundam will jumpstart things. Also, what happened to italian petition bro? He SWORE that sunrise would listen to the requests.
>>19538272>But anything that isn't OYW tanks, doesn't it?Not really. Build, SEED, 00, Wing, IBO, they all sell/sold fairly well
>>19538057>million MS variations they have here and there so kids want to buy their shit againGundam was more popular with collage age otaku not kids.
Because the Japanese actually enjoy their robots in terrible 3D cg, only the old masters with passion for animation want to do detailed 2D sakuga mecha
>>19538270RE1make wasn't "last few years," it'll be turning 20 next year. Also a lot of Resident Evil's market is in the West, so the remake passion isn't really a reflection of Japanese sensibility but rather over a decade plus of America clamoring for Resident Evil 2, already considered one of the best of the classic RE games, to get redone in the style of Resident Evil GCN, itself considered the gold standard of video game remake.Just saying.
>>19538916I think there was a more recent one after the Gamecube one?
>>19538925It got the "HD remaster" treatment, which is just Capcom euphemism for "we ported it to other platforms."I mean, if you want to be a smartass you can call 7 a reimagining of 1, it does not hide at all how much it's a throwback to the Mansion Incident scenario.
>>19538916Oh, you're right; they just re-released the Resident Evil 1 remake in a HD remaster a few years back. That aside, your point is kind of bullshit, because while Resident Evil is popular overseas; it's also very popular in Japan and regularly sells 1million+ copies of the games; even on rerelease. It sells more in the US, but most of the time it doesn't sell by that much more that it becomes outsized. It's also hardly the only remake that's come out of Japan. It's not even the only one I mentioned.
>>19538057Because after his super mary sue depiction in origin it wouldn't make any sense for Char to do anything other than oneshot Amuro and Whitebase
>>19538953nah, wasn't trying to be an asshole, I just really wasn't sure what was or wasn't a thing, and there's some old farts like me who checked out on New Video Games a while backlike last RE I played was on the Dreamcast
>>19539020Char still gets his ass beat throughout the manga. He was only hot shit in the flashback arc.
>>19538057because there is no one who is gonna draw that shit.and even if you found them - good luck funding them for decades until it's donedon't compare it to random ova or short anumationyou are dumb
>>19538224>>19538272It's an almost seasonly occurrence at this point that they remake some random old property out of the blue, even ignoring the success of stuff like the Yamato movies. I was going to point at the recent Orphen series which was a much more faithful and surprisingly superior adaption than the original series, but re-adapting old source material doesn't really count.
You'll never have a MSG remake that looks like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM_QbKquj2U
>>19539624>saying dumb shit>calling other people dumbHow the fuck do you think they made that short in the first place, you absolute moron? Animation isn't a long lost art, it just requires a decent budget to be good, and if there's a company that can afford to invest some fucking money on their anime, it's the one that owns one of the most profitable IPs of all time.>>19539676Yeah, it would be great.
>>19538257>>19538287Tomino has Yakuza connections
>>19538057>I know it'd be expensive, but it'd print moneywhat guarantees can you give other than your word?
>>19538224Porkyman gets remakes every few years because they know people will eat them up regardless of quality anon.A lot of things are the same no matter where.
>>19539903Anon, are you the same one from the Pacific Rim thread? Cool it, will ya?CG is relatively cheap. A lot more studios than before even specialize in it. Cel animation is dead. There are no studios that do it, the process is stupid expensive, and it takes too damn long. That option is out. Do you want modern animation? Why would they spend it on 0079 when they could be focusing on the rest of the timeline and popping nostalgia for that? Hell, why not new opportunities? And no, you need more than a decent budget for good animated series. You need a competent company, and to handle your resources effectively. Blowing it all on a project that's trying to make the equivalent of OVA tier animation for the OYW would be such a huge undertaking, and for what?
>>19539935what guarantees can the studio get that their labour won't get distributed into the internet? people want x to be done but they also don't want to pay for anything if they can get away with it.
>>19539942Is this bait?Why would Gundam, a series built on the sales of its merch, worry much about if the show gets pirated? Why would the studio, if they're getting paid beforehand? Anon...
Same anon >>19539950 , just want to say that I agree that this kid is obviously underestimating how much it costs to create an anime, but that your statement still made me do a double take to see if you wrote it right.
>>19538057Last year Yas said that he is working on his final anime project and that it is Gundam related.They are making The Origin adaptation.
>JUST REMAKE EVERYTHING BROThis generation is devoid of ideas
>>19539962No, that went up in smoke. He's done.
>>19539962The Origin is horrible. I'd rather have them do the original series if they'd ever do a remake.
>>19539962Yasuhiko stated in an interview in April that the Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin anime is his last anime "whatever happens." He said last September that "there will be more" of the anime series. However, the anime's staff confirmed in March that the sixth episode concluded the anime project.
>>19539990>>19539995In the second part of the latest interview with Asahi Shimbun Digital posted on February 21, Yoshikazu Yasuhiko, the original character designer/animation director for the Mobile Suit Gundam TV series in 1979-1980, confirmed that he is working on a new anime project related to the First Gundam. He was asked about the outlook for his works in the 2020s. In addition to his wish to continue working for another five or six years and conclude his ongoing manga series Inui to Tatsumi - Zabaikaru Senki, he revealed a tip about his new anime project. "In terms of anime, I'm going to make one more 'Gundam' story in the end. I can't go into details yet, but it is related to First Gundam, which I can't stop loving. Please look forward to it."https://www.crunchyroll.com/ru/anime-news/2020/02/23/yoshikazu-yasuhiko-confirms-he-is-working-on-a-new-anime-project-related-to-first-gundam
>>19538103also they need to keep designing new robots to sell new kit, which is why making a series on an old model without introducing new ones is not a good idea
>>19539676was this a special on the bluray releases from rightstuf?
>>19538774sad but true
>>19540008And as of the end of last year in Great Mechanics, that evaporated into nothin. He's done.
>>19539912>read this post>inmediately think of Kiryu Kazuma, Majima, Saejima, etc piloting a squad of ZakusInstaboner
>>19539994Why? I thought it was pretty good.
>>19539971They've tried time and time again to make completely new AU Gundam shows and they've fucked everything up every time, though. I'd rather they went back to basics.
>>19539903>Animation isn't a long lost art, it just requires a decent budget to be goodah yes, because throwing money on something is fix of all problemsmaybe you should learn first how much animators earn
>>19540089Too much charwank, some dumb changes and the garbage artstyle
>>19540071He said he hopes to be able to announce it this spring a month or two ago and mentioned it's being worked on in My Back Pages.
>>19538057It's really a thing of they don't want to do it and there not being a reason to.0079 is really beloved, so it would be like remaking an old classic movie like Star Wars.And there is the question HOW you'd do it.a straight 1:1 remake?fucking waste of moneya remake with big and small changes?risks alienating the audience that will buy the kits and other mech.The reason they remake some scenes in games is because it's just that, small scenes.And like others have said, OYW has been revisited for so much they probably just want to try something new and move on from it.
>>19538272>but TFAwas still it's own movie.If they were to remake the actual OG movies as proper remakes people would fucking lose their god damn minds, you've seen how autistic Star Wars fags gets over minor changes, replacing the old cast? rewrite some things?it would actually be hell on earth
>>19540116and they already made origin anyway, OP is just being retarded.
>>19540124yeah, and even when they adapted it into an anime they purpously stayed the hell away from the actual 0079 story and kept to flashbacks and focused on Char.
>>19540035Encounters in Space, Journey to Jaburo and probably at least one or two other games at the time had a bunch of original animation and 1:1 recreations by what seems to be the Stardust Memory staff. It's obviously very cut up for the sake of the gameplay but it showed there was potential at one point - albeit potential that's 14-20 years ago.Plus you know, the only time the UC protagonists of the pre-00's were ever animated together.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpW6AJTnqT8
I could use another 0079 gag retelling manga/anime desu
>>19540112Nah, that was him being wishful.
>>19539655Orphen felt boring though. Feels less dramatic.
>>19540156Isn't that porn?
>>19538057Because its disrespectful to the original to do an exact remake - especially with original creator and director still alive.It would be like Disney trying to remake the original Star Wars trilogy with the original characters but with updated graphics. Its spitting in Lucas' face.
>>19542370Well, it doesn't have to be a 1:1 remake. For starters they could include all the MS variations they have lying around and focus more on grunt fights like how they did in Unicorn.
The only way I would accept a remake is if Tomino himself did it, OR Tomino gave his blessing and hand selected the director. Otherwise its a big fat nope from me.
>>19538057That's what the 0079 Movies are for anon. Better animation with a movie budget.
>>19542810Relatively speaking, sure, but it's still is 1981's animation. Look at the OYW MS in Unicorn. Now picture an enitre show like that. It would be great.
I would be into either a series that adapts the full The Origin manga or a recut of 079. I love 0079 but it could do with a reduction but not as much as the movies because those always felt like they missed a lot of emotional beats and I watched the three movies before the series and I really didn't learn to care for the characters in the same way I did watching the full TV series.
>>19538318This. If they gotta do it they need to do it soon before they lose their voices. Hell, even an origin adaptation would be good enough to count.
>>19538318>>19542896>Ikeda is 71 years old alreadyJesus. Fuyuya is like 4 years younger, but yeah, they should get to it as soon as possible.
>>195380571. There would be no point because anime is funded by model kit sales. And all model kits for the OYW are already made.2. They should just do an alternate history 0079. One where Zeon survives the OYW. Something like Giren's Greed. At least that way it would be fresh and open up some alternate history possibilities, and you can make some new model kits too.
>>19542916That has never stopped them before. If anything a full remake would let them release new models for all sorts of MS variations, since even the Origin had a very limited selection of units to choose from. Again, see all the models from older units they released for Unicorn
>>19538057they will once domino diesit will be trash and you know it!
>>19543447What makes you think they need or want to wait until Tomino dies to do it? Hell, Tomino was the one who re-made Zeta for them 20 years after it had originally aired at their request. He was also the one who changed the ending. I'd doubt that Yaz would have abandoned The Origin as a manga if he didn't have Tomino's blessing either, for that matter. Which is even presuming he asked for it (or received it) in the first place.
>>19543435why bother when they can animate literally any side story and make fortune from random kits?anon, you seem thinking that 0079 value is in 0079 alone.which is wrong. 0079 value is in side stuff it spawned. If they remake it - that means cutting their limbs off for all possible kits they could've done.
>>19543486why do you think they made origin instead of str8 up remaking 0079? thats right they fear tomino
Bandai being the sole sponsor for the anime is like Anaheim having the monopoly on mobile suits. We all hate it but eat it up anyway.
>>19543486>What makes you think they need or want to wait until Tomino dies to do it?Tomino still holds an incredible amount of influence despite not owning Gundam anymore. So much so that Bandai gives Tomino a free anime (G-Reco) just so he'll stay quiet and be too busy to complain. But even then he still finds time to shit on Unicorn and NT.
>>19547498Oh, you're one of those idiots. "Bandai gave Tomino G-Reco so he'll stay quiet". What a dumb idea. Tomino had retired before G-Reco, and was no longer working for Banrise if they didn't approve G-Reco. If he has respect then they approved G-Reco not to silence him, but because they wanted him to have one last show. One last show that has now turned in to several movies and possibly other new projects going off stories that he has 3 other things in planning now. Additionally, it can't even have been to stop him badmouthing them or the franchise, because he's been doing that in various ways for literal decades at this point and most people now to expect him to be critical of shows; including his own.
>>19547776A little of Column A and a little of Column BThey both respect Tomino and want to give him a chance to make more anime, and also they want to keep him busy so he'll complain less and be occupied. You underestimate how annoying a grumpy old man can be when he has nothing to do.
>>19543501Every side story ever only features a handful of MS. A full 0079 remake could give them a chance to use a million of them.
>>19547782Yeah, like all those stories of him disparaging Banrise or Gundam in the near decade during which he was retired following King Gainer. Boy those really put a dent in the sales, and stopped it from being one the most profitable and prolific the franchise had been up until that point at times.
>>19547903they already did that with build fightersyou talk as if fanservice is something rare.0079 remake is retarded notion. You got Origin, did you read it? It's basically the remake you want, but why for some reason you want ANOTHER one?Or you are dumb and think if it's not anime - it doesn't count.Go watch Seed then. That's your remake you deserve.
>>19538318Would they ever even consider recasting them?
>>19539995If the project isn't announced they can't say it's getting more. I don't expect more Origin but that's not really a deconfirmation.
>>19543486>re-made ZetaNo he made a compilation movie that had some reanimated scenes mixed into old ones. Just he's done for numerous projects he worked on. They'll never the original Gundam unless they have some kind of gimmick to it like producing the original planned second half. Otherwise they'd just be wasting time and disrespecting various industry icons who worked on the show. Origin was their chance to put a new spin on it and they only did the Char stuff.
The only way I'd watch a 0079 remake is if it lookes like the special opening set to Tobe Gundam from Journey to Jaburo.
>>19542370Oh that's rich considering most Star Wars fans considered Lucas to be the leading architect of ruining Star Wars by constantly rolling out those Special Edition recuts instead of making the original theatrical editions available, leading to an entire cottage industry of despecialized fan-edits all just to recreate an "untainted" original.
>>19544637So which anime studio will take responsibility to be SNRI?
Is there an updated version of this chart? I'm getting into gundam but just realized this chart is from 2011Also, after watching 0079>Zeta>ZZ should I continue with the early UC? Or after those 3 I can just go straight to a different timeline?
>>19538057remove the guntank from all of it and i'm in.
>>19548507It doesn't matter after that point.
>>19548144There can't really be an SNRI in this analogue, because the Federation created SNRI themselves; so any SNRI analogue would be a studio from within Sunrise that operates as part of them for at least a while before starting to work for another company on another property while also still working at Sunrise uncredited. Bandai are a bad Anaheim analogue for the same reason, since they're directly part of Sunrise (or rather, owns them outright, legally and very publicly). If anything, Bandai ARE the SNRI analogue. It's also not like it's particularly unusual for a media project to only have one sponsor who is directly tied to the studio making it anyway.
>>19540071What's "Great Mechanics"?
I wish there was a 0079 remake of the 3 movies with Thunderbolt's animation and designs.Go ahead, hate me.
>>19548524so after those I can watch whatever i want?
>>19548507UC in production order, AUs just go by what seems fun.
>>19548585I dunno I love the original show, it's my favorite anime of all time. I think it is a masterpiece but even with that I understand why people want to see it with fresh animation.
>>19547928Yeah, but I personally don't give a crap about that non canonical blatant fanservice garbage.
>>19548585>with Thunderbolt's animationI'm 100% in. >and designs.Nevermind. Those designs are too edgy.
>>19548507Given Origin and Thunderbolt have created their own separate timelines, it's easier to just to divide up what you watch between the TV and movie timelines if you're watching the earlier series. Movies take priority of course.
>>19549424Some of thunderbolts designs look good. Like the gogg redesign it's great
>>19549418so what will stop another remake being non-canonical fanservice garbage to you?
>>19538057>what's preventing Sunrise from remaking the entirety of 0079 with proper animation insteadTime, money, and the appeal of cheap CG to production committees.
>>19538057It would cost more money than it would make and people would bitch and nitpick every single little change.
>>19538057This is vaguely related but I kinda want to see an alternate UC built from where the Zeta movies left off, it's a happier ending but there's still a lot to explore what with Axis hanging around, Kamille not being in a coma, Char still being MIA etc.
>>19538057>So, what's preventing Sunrise from remaking the entirety of 0079 with proper animation instead of the shit CGI they used for the Origin ovas, like how they did for the A Baoa Qu scene in the Battlefield Record 0081 game?Battlefield Record was only a few short minutes. So they could afford Non-CGI digital animation. But in the past 10 years, its become cheaper to use CGI for big expensive mecha battles.
>>19547915 >Boy those really put a dent in the sales, and stopped it from being one the most profitable and prolific the franchise had been up until that point at times. Now you are changing the topic. It was never about hurting sales. It was about stopping Tomino from being an annoying Grandpa around the Sunrise offices. And also running his mouth in interviews potentially embarrassing/shaming Sunrise staff. Just like how Tomino did during the premiere of the Gundam NT Movie and during Unicorn. A freebie 26 mecha episode series as a gift to keep Tomino and his staff mostly business is chump change for Banrise.And as an added bonus, the focus will be on Tomino's new show instead of Tomino latest rant about their new Gundam series. Tomino still has a very strong hardcore cult following, and his fans will focus on G-Reco instead. Haven't you noticed how Tomino has run his mouth less in recent years about other Gundams ever since G-Reco came out? And most of the interviews have been about Tomino trying to improve G-Reco with movies and re-edits.
>>19538101>wanting actual animation instead of CG trash makes you a troll nowHow did /m/ get this bad?
>>19553672>CGII don't mind CGI in anime. I just don't understand why it looks so choppy. It's like skipping frames. Do they render it at like 12 fps? Why can't CGI in anime be buttery smooth like Star Wars: The Clone Wars CGI animation?
>>19540094Iron blooded orphans still has a lot of promise as a universe they just need better directors
>>19550432It being about real life soldiers waging an actual war instead of little kids playing with literal toys on a toys to life video game.
>>19553848So you got Origin for that, and?>>19553672it's less about animation, but more about OP being retarded wanting another remake where there are enough of 0079 retelling everywhere.But I guess if it's not anime - it doesn't count cause reading things is forbidden by law.
>>19547903Less is more
>>19553825Because the entire point of using CGI is to save money. You evidently can make CGI look great, but that requires Hollywood levels of budget.
>>19553845>they just need better directorsAnd writers.
>>19553851We only got the flashback section of Origin and with crap CGI, whereas in a full remake we could be getting more MSVs and more grunts being actually good at their job, like in Unicorn.>>19553854Sometimes, sure, but not when you're trying to depict a full war on a super-global scale.
>>19553870so basically you just want anime 0079 wankwhile I share the sentiment, actually wanting full 0079 remake is still retarded.At best you just get more Origin animated and that's it.For those MSV it would make way more sense to animate any of numerous side stories
>>19553825>>19553858Also, you can't just use MoCap for a mecha show and call it a day, since they're not supposed to move exactly like humans.
>>19553858>Because the entire point of using CGI is to save money. You evidently can make CGI look great, but that requires Hollywood levels of budget.But they do have Hollywood budgets. Netflix paid for animes like Knights of Sidonia to made. Yet it looks choppy. Why? Same thing with Obsolete. YouTube paid good money for it to be animated. Yet its choppy?Is this a flaw in their animation technique?
>>19557471smoothness of 3D can actually look quite off more often than not.Probably that was the reason.do you really think they didn't do everything maximum smooth and then started to change framerate?call it artistic choice or something
>>19553876??? clone wars is cgi. not mocap
>>19557471>But they do have Hollywood budgets. Netflix paid for animes like Knights of Sidonia to made.Netflix isn't funding anime with Hollywood budgets. Look at the Gokushufudo anime that just came out.
>>19561189>Netflix isn't funding anime with Hollywood budgets. Look at the Gokushufudo anime that just came out.I get the feeling that some Japanese studios are given a good budget but trying to use as little as possible on animation, and trying to keep the rest for profit. Pure Greed. It wouldn't be the first time this has happened with greedy executives.Look at the animes that got made by Jap studios. Afro Samurai 1 & 2, Big O Season 2, the Marvel animes (X-Men, Wolverine, Iron Man, etc) were all decent quality animation wise. I could be wrong, but considering how often I hear that animators in Japan are paid less than Japanese minimum wage....I doubt I'm wrong. Japanese McDonalds workers make more an hour than a Japanese animator does.Isn't this a huge issue in the Japanese animation industry. They are just too cheap because of greedy Japanese executives.
>>19561212>I get the feeling that some Japanese studios are given a good budgetThey are not. There's very little variation in anime budgets, and all of them are low in that they're about the same as they were a couple decades ago.
>>19538057It's really weird considering they already remade most of 0079 in the PS2/PS3 games
>>19561212Animation isn't about how much money being thrown into it, if a production suddenly throws more money into it it's probably late for schedule and just needs something to put on screen
>>19561350>Animation isn't about how much money being thrown into itIt actually does. More money means being able to hire more animators, or hire more experienced animators who are talented. Which means either quality improves or things get done faster.
>>19561350If you have more budget it means you spend more money on stuff like action scenes that require more movement and effort to create. Action scenes are not cheap!!
>>19557471It's because 2D animation is also choppy once you stop only looking at subtitles. If they try to make it fit into an otherwise 2D animation, they need to keep that in mind.
>>19538057Just wait for the netflix movie to bomb so sunrise can cancel gundam for good.
>>19553825Lucasfilm Animation has been working on Star Wars CGI shows non-stop since 2008. So of course season 7 will look pretty as fuck, plus that Disney funding helped. Just comparing S6 to S7 is night and day.
Sounds like a fucking awful idea.
0079 doesn't need a remakeWhat we need is animated CDA and CrossboneAnd if they feel like throwing us a bone, PROPER adaptation of High Streamer or Beltorchika's Children that doesn't cut THE ENTIRE FIRST FUCKING HALF OF THE BOOK
>>19561177Maul vs Ahsoka was mocapped. They even got Ray Park to do it.
>>19563314one time at a con I was recording audio from a panel he was on so I was on the rear side of the panel's tablesat one point Park started wilding out doing the Darth Maul flippy shit routine and the crowd was impressed, but they didn't see the giant piles of cords and cables he was doing it amidst and aroundit's one thing to do that shit on a clean field, but while not tripping on a ton of random stuff is like, holy shit
>>19538103not really, gunpla tards love flashy AU shit like the freedom and wing zero