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Was Billy Katagiri the worst written character in Gundam history?
>>19518250IBO takes the cake of worst written Gundam animation of all time. The plot, dialogue and characters were all terribleEven AGE had good characters in adult Flit and Grodek
>>19518256say the line
>>19518250He's a cuck. He simped hard for the biggest slut in all of gundam and still didn't get any action.
>>19518256>weebshit spacing
>>19518256Pretty sure /m/ would agree it's Sekai or GBD, probably Sekai since he's a bit more annoying. But then there's haxxor you don't know her like I did for an hour Banagher.
>>19518256>>19518267It's funny, I was actually just thinking, if this board cried about reddit like other boards do, "Flit and Grodek are the best characters" would be one of those things that contrarians start calling a "reddit opinion."
>>19518271Sekai's alright.
>>19518300people have a strong opinion on Grodek? feels like Asunos and Zeheart gets all the AGE attention
>>19518303No.
>>19518250worst written Gundam character? Try entire G-Gundam, Turn-A, IBO and Build series cast.
I watched Death Note and Gundam 00 at around the same time and the song Zetsubou Billy always made me think of Billy Katagiri.
>>19518359no gundam age?
>>19519746AGE was pretty well written for the most part.
>>19518250Gundam kinda has a history of poorly written characters. I don't think I've ever heard someone say "Man, I really liked that Gundam series for the writing."
>>19518359>G GundamWhatever you say Evangelion fan. How's that turning out for you nowadays?
>>19518250No. He was a pathetic simp for a woman who didn't love him.But there's so many worse characters, like Riku, most of the antagonists from GBD and Try, the antagonists in CE...
>>19518304He was a pretty cool captain/surrogate dad for Flit.
>>19518359>Turn-Afiltered
>>19518359based eve autist
>>19520734Whom?
>>19518264They literally shared a bed
>>19518250Since he was basically just Gundam Otacon, no
>>19518250I thought it was weird that season 2 went hard on the Billy/Sumeragi relationship only to give Billy a new love interest in Trailblazer.I guess S1's writer was much more of a sumeragi/allelujah guy.
>>19518250No, that was Orga and by consequence, Mika since he followed him everywhere.He started off good but the whole kangz of mars shit they pulled was absolutely retarded.Also Rey Za Burrel, he should've just stayed as Shinn's sidekick for the whole show, and speaking of destiny>Durandalwhat the hell was hasegawa smoking?
>>19522021>Rey Za BurrelFricking naming this guy "Laser Barrel" should have been the first red flag.
>>19518250>Was Billy Katagiri the worst written character in Gundam history?You say this within context of a franchise where Quess Paraya, Nina Purpleton, Kio Asuno, Kira Yamato, Katz Kobayashi and Reccoa Londe also exist.
SEKAI IS SPECIALhe then proceeds to Gary Stu everythingfucking infuriating dog shit writing
>>19522208In theory he should have been awesome. A Domon expy in the Build Fighters universe. It was exciting because G is beloved and Build Fighters season 1 was amazing. Then it turned out that the writers of Try had literally no idea what made Build Fighters so great. So that was the end of that.
>>19522208Sekai is a case of the writing being absolutely horrific but the character isn't really that offensive, i find him very innocuous in comparison.
>>19522193Kira's the best, like his shows.
>>19523701You forgot to tell us to cope.
>>19522021>He started off good but the whole kangz of mars shit they pulled was absolutely retarded.Well hubris is a hell of a drug. And with so many of his long bets paying off he probably figured he could make the biggest bet and cash out. He didn't realize just how long the odds it was to follow McGillis since Orga was suited to be warlord and figured "We got the biggest guns so this plan is going to work"He didn't count on the possibility of the State having a monopoly on force when they take off the kid gloves. And that his group didn't have a big backer to arm them more.Just another failed Revolutionary who got stomped on by the State
>>19525487You honestly have to respect Mari Okada for writing a story where a scenario like this played out to its obvious conclusion instead of the supposed "good guys" (debatable) somehow managing to bullshit a win. Reminds me of Hunter x Hunter, which answers the "Why don't they just nuke them?" question with "Actually, they did."
>>19523657Sekai's kind of just nothing.
>>19525537I think he mentioned that really it was a mob/yakuza type story in the end. And like a good mob movie hubris is the cause of the main character's downfall ending with their would be empire in ruins and them dead.Apparently Okada wanted to have it go full mafia movie where when the Feds do the big climatic raid everybody dies. But he got talked out of it so you had some survivors but everyone else who matters is dead. The survivors gotta get new names and lives and pray no one digs up they were tied to the mob.
>>19525643Not sure how you heard all this but did not hear that Okada is a woman.
>>19525643>Apparently Okada wanted to have it go full mafia movie where when the Feds do the big climatic raid everybody dies. But he got talked out of it so you had some survivors but everyone else who matters is dead.That was the director, who was a retard with a big murder boner. He wanted Atra and Kudelia to get got, when that makes zero fucking sense and would probably have made things worse for Gjallarhorn.Okada and the writing staff managed to save him from his own stupidity, especially since he completely failed to sell Tekkadan and McGillis as villians.Pro tip: you can't make the guys fighting people who routinely employ false flag attacks, use WMDs on civilians, massacre protestors, and fuck with the politics of nations to increase their power the bad guys, because the other guys are visibly worse in every way.
>>19518264Did we watch the same show? Sumeragi was a sexually dead, bland mannequin with a drinking problem, she was literally obsessed with her boyfriend she drone striked ten years ago. She never showed any sexual interest in anybody.
>>19526726No, Kati was a mannequin. Sumeragi was a lee noriega.
>>19523701The best at getting cucked
>>19527104He's got a point.
>>19527104>>19530492Well, fuck me. You got me there anon.
>>19525823Accents are weird. My
>>19526726She reacted pretty well to Hallelujah's fingerbanging.
>>19532443Hallelujah's what now?
>>19532761Hallelujah's 1 second finger blast
>>19526726She actually did fuck Billy >>19521822I dunno how anyone could think otherwise. She was a fall down drunk who needed a place to stay, and she lived with him for two years. Probably would have let him do anything
>>19533150Billy did it or not? Is better or worse?
>>19533195I have no idea, it depends how pathetic you consider a relationship with a depressed drunk to be.Also, depends on the Mina situation at the time. She clearly met him at some point before the movie, but it's not clear when. If she was as thirsty for him during this period, he clearly made the wrong choice. If not, then it's still shit, but not "WTF are you doing?!" bad.
>>19533219What a weird bluepill is the whole "Simp loser actually has a hot girl in love with him,"Its so weird
>>19533232>bluepillWhat do you think you're doing using slang like this here.
>>19518256I was reading MAL reviews of IBO just out of curiosity, and it was shocking how many people called it either the "most mature gundam", the "best gundam show", and even "the best anime ever made"
>>19518250Just how?
>>19534084>MALpeople on this website consider one piece to be the third best manga of all time
>>19534084It's on netflix, it's the only one most of them have actually seen. Or worse, they watched Wing when they were kids and reacted with "wow, now Gundam has finally grown up :)".
>>19521906The whole point of the S2 ending was Billy accepting that Sumeragi was never going to love him, and Sumeragi accepting that she'd been a scumbag by stringing Billy along like she had, so both of them could forgive each other and move on.
>>19523657Yeah, but the thread's about who's the worst written character, and that's absolutely either Sekai or one of the people around him.
>>19534084>>19534264There was this guy on MAL called Stark or something who was literally always the first guy to create or respond to every single anime episode discussion thread. It drove me insane, like what the fuck was he doing, downloading the raws and watching them on 8x speed just so he could fire off some idiotic post that completely misunderstood what happened in the episode? No idea if he's still around since I haven't used that site 's forums in a long time.
>>19534084>I was reading MAL reviews of IBO just out of curiosity, and it was shocking how many people called it either the "most mature gundam", the "best gundam show", and even "the best anime ever made"I'm not surprised, it's done in the modern style and actually does a good job of clearly establishing character motivations, so it's got a leg up on a lot of the older stuff.It's got flaws, sure, but if you view it as a tragedy from start to finish, it definitely maintains tone better than a lot of other mainline Gundams.
>>19534084most people on /m/ literally cannot understand the themes of IBO beyond robots shooting each other
>>19534642Well /m/ is one of the most hipster boards on the site so...
>>19534642IBO is great in that it almost perfectly refutes many of the tiresome and disingenuous arguments advanced by scum from places like /a/ and /v/ to dismiss Gundam. These arguments, which I'm sure you've all seen and argued against 1,000,000 times, usually take the form of>Series message is that war is bad>Series glorifies war in order to sell toysIBO comprehensively refutes these points because>It manages to have a main cast that is good at waging war and yet incredibly pitiful as people>They die tragic and foolish deaths rather than heroic deaths>The guy who actually understands how to manipulate the levers of power wins out over the guy who thinks that all you need are symbols, ideological purity, and violence to change the world>Mecha and the Gundams themselves, far from being "the ultimate weapon," are actually shown to be impotent and basically irrelevant in the face of more practical weaponsFor these reasons, despite the widespread hatred for it on /m/, I always point to IBO as a counterexample whenever a discussion comes up where brainlets denigrate Gundam as being a mere toy commercial. It's as good at shutting down /a/utists and /v/irgins as Mikazuki is at killing members of Gjallarhorn.
>>19534763Ironically, Argevollen which aired before IBO had many similar themes but it got ignored because it wasn't Gundam and the few people who watched it failed to understand it just like they failed to understand IBO.
>>19534854It got ignored because it was shit. I gave it 3/10. The show had so much retardation in it and that retardation escalated as it was drawing to an end. It's an anime you recommend someone if you want to make them hate mecha.
>>19534554He's still there doing the exact same thing.
>>19534967I really wonder what life must be like for a person like that, for him to always have time to do that and never be busy due to a job, homelessness, etc. Because this has been going on for at least a decade.
>>19527104Underrated.
>>19522021>Also Rey Za Burrel, he should've just stayed as Shinn's sidekick for the whole show, and speaking of destiny>>DurandalRay was the most underwhealming version of Rau, while Durandal was rewritten mid show, to whitewash him.
>>19536953>Durandal was rewritten mid show, to whitewash him.Wait, what? He was intended to be black?
>>19536975He opened by sending a team of assassins to murder Kira and Lacus so he could replace Lacus with his own loyal doppelganger to spread pro-war propaganda, so he clearly wasn't a good guy despite appearances. That said, I don't think they ever whitewashed him.
>>19537225And depressingly some people on /m/ will still say they agreed with him.
>>19537225>with his own loyal doppelganger to spread pro-war propagandaWhat? Plant's general population wanted an all out war campaign. Durandal's fake Lacus toned that down if anything.
>>19540547Durandal was a Plant
>>19542027What the hell? No he wasn't.
>>19518250
>>19536975>>19537225Sorry for the late reply, but I am 100% sure Durandal was intended to be a much more sinister and Rau type of character. All those mysterious events that happened in the first half, were so obviously written with the intent that his involvment will be revealed later.>Armory one theft, where the three infiltrators had inside help>Junius 7 drop, where Durandal just happened to pass by the day it happened>Lacus assassination, where he was 100% involvedBut we all know the show suffered constant rewrites, and I guess mid show they fell in love with his character, and decided to make him into a much more noble, pure and angelic villain, who only wants to bring peace to humanity, and who is stopped by Kira, only because "muh 1984 and brave new world are bad". I honestly think the writers didn't know what the Destiny plan even was, in the first half of the show, and thus Durandal was planned to be more of a classic villain.
>>19547301So they liked him but didn't have the balls to let him win.
>>19550749Look him winning means Kira would have to Lose. Kira cannot lose. It's the law.
>>19550788What if, Kira never actually lost but he realized that Durandal was right and joined him? I should have written Destiny.
>>19518250How about fucking Judau Ashita
>>19522021>>19525487Orga didn't have a lot of choice when it came to making his mistakes. He kept getting dealt shitty hands and having to make choices that increased risk and vulnerability. The alternative was to go back to being a powerless slave.No matter how much power or influence he accumulated, it could be taken away unless he attained something like the title of "King of Mars"His options were to abandon his friends and subordinates to their fates, accept a life of slavery or take his shot. And he took his shot.
>>19522208Other posters are right that Sekai himself is ok, nothing special at best and a poor copy of Reiji, and it's really quality of the show dragging him down. Fumina and Yuuma are easily worse characters from the same show, especially Yuuma since Fumina actually had character until Sekai siphoned it into a black hole over the course of the show.
>>19518250He gets a sex freak, right? In the movie?
>>19553747Purely as an excuse to have Nena's VA voice a character
>>19518250CCA Char was a pretty terrible character. It's insulting that we got that as the end to his character arc. Honorable mentions go to the entire cast of Gundam SEED Destiny after episode 28, and Gundam Build Fighters Try for completely missing the mark on what people loved about season 1 in almost every single way.
>>19518256I dont get why people act like IBO was the worst thing ever, it honestly was just mediocre at best.
>>19553886Anything to distract from Aldnoah being the true affront to mecha anime.
>>19553135He was better than Kamille.
>>19553775It's clearly IS Nena, dummy.
IBO didn't need a second half. The first half a set goal for the protagonists ( go to earth), while the second half was just a series of stuff that happens.doesn't change that it's still shit
>>19553919I thought that was in part to help cover up Cross Ange.
>>19553775>>19554511Nena with Sumeragi's hair and proportions, at that. Billy got the rebound of the millennium.
>>19554585That show was really good, but /m/ doesn't understand satire. Unironically a symptom of autism.
>>19554659I dunno the entire "I can't believe this isn't an H-series" of the early episodes didn't help
>>19545402And here we have Mrs. Bushido.
>>19557130Seriously what on earth do people find appealing about this trash.
>>19557818Nothing, but it's worth mentioning.
>>19561024I'd prefer not to hear about Gundam 00 again.
>>19563227Get real. It's incredibly popular here.
>>19564666But not as popular (or as good) as SEED.
>>19564681Fuck SEED.
>>19534554>>19534967>>19535033Reminds me of VeghEsther from gamefaqs. Dude was always posting the same jrpg strats/builds across multiple games as the definitive and only way to play/win those games. Even after finally being permabanned, he still haunts youtube video comment sections of those rpgs with the same shit.
>>19567071Endgame is even worse. He's been banned but he came back on a new account anyway. Apparently that website hardly ever permabans people anymore, if someone with a few thousand karma breaks the rules they maybe get purgatory and then a few days later they can come back. Probably because there's so few users left on the site they can't afford to lose anyone.
>>19518250Nah there were a lot of weirdly written/badly written characters in IBO and some of the later Gundam Build Fighter shows.
>>19553739Listen anon, Yuuma won the artistic gunpla grand prix award, and that totally gives him personality going by how much the show repeated it
>>19526645All of IBO Season 2 was a fucking mess. It suffers from the same thing 00 did, the second half feels like someone else was writing it. >>19519767Third half was awful. Kio explores Mars and tries to go for the understanding ending. And Mars was run by idiots.
>>19568893>Third half
