What /m/ anime has the best animation?
>>19394658Eva and it's not even close.
>>19394662Really? Been several years since I last saw it (read manga a few months ago though) I dont remember it having astounding animation
>>19394658I wanna say Macross Plus or DYRL, but there's more contenders like 083 or Unicorn. E7 has great choreography, and eva has great direction, especially EoE
>>19394670DYRL isn't even the best in its franchise, let alone in its genre. A lot of its hype surrounds the fact that its old and boomers miss how shitty old anime looked.
>>19394658I'm putting forward the first two Patlabor Movies as being up there towards the top
>>19394658For a long-runner, the answer is Bismark. I've never seen any other 50 episode show look that good with such minimal stock footage and have it last the entire duration of the show. I was absolutely shocked that it came from Studio Pierrot of all places.
>>19394709Area 88 OVA was by Pierrot and features the best anime dogfights ever.
>>19394658TV - EscaflowneMovie - Akira
>>19394666>>19394662>I dont remember it having astounding animationLolwut. Eva has some of the most impressive cuts of any anime and is part of why it's so legendary. They always went all out on the mecha fights. Having said that Anno really cut corners where he could in the SoL scenes
>>19394658I dont think I've ever seen any anime top Redline in terms of animation. It took the longest to make and it really fucking shows.
Giant Robo, but it hardly has any mecha action.>>19394728Akira is scifi, not mecha.
>>19394730Yeah, but they're short cuts. And there aren't many of them. And a bunch of them get copy + pasted. (Notice how the angel infected unit Toji is in jumping at unit 1 is the exact same animation as unit 1 jumping in episode 2)Eva was really bad at keeping characters on model too thanks to constant outsourcing.Compile all the best animation from NGE, then compile all the best sakuga cuts from some Gainax show nobody cares about like Mahoromatic, and the latter will probably be a more impressive compilation
DYRL has good animation but you can tell some of the choreography was too complicated for either their talent and/or their time/budget. It's mostly a good looking movie thanks to the directing, shading/art and use of color. I remember Dirty Pair Project Eden having a weirdly high amount of fun and technically impressive animation the whole way through
>>19394742>I started watching anime because I discovered /a/ two years ago: the post
>>19394662Having yoh yoshinari and Anno on staff did a lot for the animation
>>19394658>mechanical endPatlabor moviesGasarakiUnicornMacros plus Stardust memory Giant roboDangaioh 08th ms team Cybustsr?EoEEvangelion series (1.0&2.0 have good animation too)Shin getter vs neo getter FLCL>action end
>>19394728escaflowne movie but it has one fight in it
>>19394658Probably 08th MS Team, I wish I had some webms to highlight, but holy shit it's basically Akira quality for 13 episodes which is insane. Also the episode with Norris Packard pulling that plane to block a guncannon shot was insane.
>>19394843I love 08th but 0083 is peak Gundam animation. Except for maybe Thunderbolt.
>>19394847I've been debating this a lot, but the action sequences in 08th were genuinely masterpieces. That entire episode between Norris and Shiro saved that show from its horrible story. I entirely forgive it for its weird ending simply when Norris stabs that guncannon and it splatters his suit with oil
>>19394843>>19394847everyones has seen 08th ms team, its good but idk if id say peak gundam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIVVAsMTP1A
>>19394863>>19394847also everyone forgets how well animated narrative is https://youtu.be/r7Vj9sd95hM?t=521
>>19394843There are some impressive dynamic scenes here and there, but there are those who would complain that it's silly for an 80 ton MS to swing from jets.
>>19394728>AkiraAre you that same faggot anon that insisted Jin Roh was /m/?
>>19394863I don't see a weak spot in the animation. In how that is animated. My problem with Unicorn and not a huge one because I really liked the animation on it, but I think at times the cgi just kinda looked out of place. I know that it helps maintain a higher quality of overall, but it just doesn't compare to 80, 0083, and 08th in terms of quality in my mind. Just see how fluid all this feels, and there's really no break in immersion from the cgi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj73Y91r3C4>>19394893No, but Akira is really high quality animation, I don't think anyone can debate that. >>19394889He didn't necessarily swing from jet, he just flung it in front of his mobile suit to block a shot. If it works for the universe though it's fair game.
>>19394898Nobody's debating Akira's animation, but it's definitely not /m/
>>19394908That's not what I said at all... I was saying 08th MS team had animation on par with it for the duration of the series
>>19394898>He didn't necessarily swing from jetHe was hanging from the jet in mid-air for a while, then pulled the jet down to block a shot.
>>19394922It looked cool though lol, you can def see the plane lose altitude though
I'd say 0083 beats 08th MS Team most of the time.
Redline has a bunch of mechs, so it counts, right?
For me, it's Bubblegum Crisis.
>>19394663One of my favourite pieces of animation ever.
>>19394709>was absolutely shocked that it came from Studio Pierrot of all places.????????
>>19394658>What /m/ anime has the best animation?Ghost in the Shell
>>19394663Holy Fuck I've been looking for this one for ages after I couldn't remember the name, cheers anon
Fuuun Ishin Daishogun
>>19395063A few unrelated muh sakuga don't change the fact that evangelion manages to maintain quality in every fight and uses every single one to do something interesting with the setting, you don't need overcomplicated designs or muh 24fps for something to be considered good animation, in the medium techniques are used to save up time and increase the fluidity and fidelity of what you want to portray and sure those webms look amazing and I'd have a hard time trying to pick something from eva that looks "better", but you just posted a couple climax scenes and this thread is about the entire package.
>>19395656>minus the volcano fight>minus the israfel fight >jet alone gets a passbut always remember yoh and Anno. best animators of their generation
>>19395656Escaflowne was also consistent in it's animation quality in every fight and managed to be dynamic without oversaturation of it's medium. The same goes for dual parralel trouble, gunbuster and star driver, You should've just look at a bunch of scenes of the mecha shows I listed then mouth off whatever prentiousness nonsense you're going off about and then argue about the consistency.
>>19394843I love 08th MS Team but has nothing on 0083. Its way better than the old Tomino stuff but it has its QUALITY moments as well. Juat in Shuddering Mountain pt. 1 >the shattered glass that juat spins as Noris falls though the building >the rock/concrete chunk that bounces off nothing and changes direction when Noris flips that chunk of overpass
>>19394922This is retarded but it is canon to have them litterally stand on top of planes like surfboards so this sort of gets a pass.
Gundam Unicorn.No matter what you think of the story, the animation is amazing.
>>19395774narrative has better aniamtion than unicorn
>>19394685Maybe for all the 8 minutes there's a mecha on screen
>>19395789the attack helicopter scene
>>19394742The best bits in Mahoromatic were the cute ones in S1 which still used cels. There were a few action moments reminiscent of modern Trigger but those cuts make up about 5% of the whole season.
>>19394662>some people will actually have this opinion
>>19395063I don't know what you think you were proving with that first link. I remembered Dangaioh's fight scenes being relatively poor and thank you for reminding me why. Where's the third one from though?
For gundam it's 0083. The budget must have been crazy and it was right before japan's economy bottomed out after the boom in the eighties. The shit just looks incredible on blu-ray.
>>19394658TRANSFORMERS 86 BABYYYYYYY
The transformers moviePatlabor 2Ideon be invoked Macross/dyrl/plusGundam IIIEscaflowne AkiraZZ gundamMs8 team 0083 GunbusterCobraEureka seven Turn a
>>19395822Your memory could just simply be dog-shit, go watch it again before forming an opinion and I've already given you the sauce >>19395758
>>19395985best animation>Ideon >ZZ gundam>turn A>gunbuster(even outs Anno on the list)just disrespectful
>>19394880It literally looks worse than unicorn
>>19396083Anno also worked on macross you know
>>19394945This. 101% percent no contest.
Not really /m/ but Venus Wars is pretty close to Akira in terms of visuals. Madox-01 is up there for the mecha scenes but lacks elsewhere.
>>19394942Trava has his own prequel OVA that is 100% power armor. https://youtube.com/watch?v=3pT7gadYPso
>>19394658Ghost in the shell 1995 movie, by far.
>>19394942redline is crap.
>>19394912>08th MS team had animation on par with AkiraLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mobile Suit Gundam F91 was pretty much the pinnacle of Sunrise Studio 2 and can't be beat
>>19395656>Evangelion has teh best animationnnn>D-don't show me great animation in other series, it proves nothing
>>19395758>StardriverNow I wanna watch that show again, goddamn the animation there was some great stuff.
>>19396600I always think f-91 looks like shit because of when I think of late UC, I think of victory. But your right, it’s actually some of the highest quality animation sunrise has ever done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-840keiiFDEProbably Gasaraki, but I felt asleep every episode, so I can't be sure.Joking aside, I think that talking about "best" animation is as pretentious as retarded. There's a lot of styles and there's different things that each series wanted to portray. The great series are great because they excelled at what they wanted to do.For instance, the "beast-like" movements of the Evas is astounding. It's beautifully animated, it portrays the mood extraordinarily, it conveys the plot perfectly. Can you fault Macross or Gundam for not doing that? NO! Only an idiot would! In Macross and Gundam they pilot robots, they don't pilot living organic creatures.Same way that you can't fault Evangelion for not displaying an airplane dodging 3000 missiles at Mach 5.0+, it's just not that kind of show.If what you want is shows that have excellent animation consistently you'll hardly find it in TV series, though. And yes, that includes Evangelion. I'm not even speaking about the "artistic" choices (like the elevator scene or any other kind of fuckery with still images), I'm talking about off-model characters (like some Anon mentioned), wrong coloring and huge differences in the characters' look overall depending on who was in charge of the scene (even in the Rebuilds the way Asuka looks is radically different from Matsubara to Honda). Nothing uncommon, on the other hand, and expected from regular TV series without huge budgets. That isn't a diss, though, I'm completely fine with it, I understand that there are budget and time restrictions and I always prefer to emphasize the things that those kind of shows excelled at, and when you talk about series like Eva, Macross, Gundam and many others there's plenty of nice things to praise.Perhaps Escaflowne, Gasaraki and Cowboy Bebop, to mention /m/ series, could be considered series with consistently good animation. But those might've had better budgets and definitively more planning than usual.
>>19396916ib4 "Cowboy Bebop is not /m/"
>>19394662Eva is barely animated.It has great visuals but not because of the animation being good.It's Anno being a very good economical director.
>>19394880Narrative is fucking terrible what are you smoking?
>>19396996>Eva is barely animated.>It has great visuals but not because of the animation being good.this is lie.https://youtu.be/-FkP2_goJfw?t=13
>>19394658>>19396600This.F91 is a masterpiece of mechanical animation and battle choreography.However I think it kinda lacks in a few scenes outside of battles.
>>19397058This is exactly what I'm talking about.You only get a few cuts like this during the battles, but the majority of the show isn't just battles, it's the scenes outside of them.There are tons of background stills, talking heads, or shots where nothing moves but you hear dialogue used to fill up the space between battles that make use of some creative direction techniques to save resources, but ultimately expose how inconsistent the animation quality is across the series.This isn't a bad thing and I'm not trying to knock against Eva.It's actually one of my favorite series because of how great Anno was at being resourceful, but it pales in comparison to most of the entries mentioned here which are much more lively all around.
>>19397041what the fuck does this even prove?a still shot a character proves narritves animation is worse than unicorn? why. because she doesnt have hair highlight? On the left shes in shadow. there shouldnt be a highlight. that is the single difference between these two images.this is the dumbest possible thing you could of shown to prove you point. your actually fucking brain dead
Is it Gurren Lagann
One thing eva really has going for it is the feeling of weight and size during the action. Thanks to the sound design, environmental destruction, etc. I wish I knew of more /m/ stuff that takes great pains to make the giant robots feel giant
>>19397084okay but having a blanket statement like >It has great visuals but not because of the animation being good. when eva does have great animation. just doesnt have unlimted budget so they decided to priottize the fights instead of character acting in dialogue scenes isnt a very nuanced take. its not like anyone else in this thread has been posting webm's of expressive character animtion to liven up the dialogue. its all mechs. also talking heads is a problem with all mech shows because mech aniamtion is so expensive to produce so idk why youd single out eva
>>19397141It just stuck out to me because Eva's the one show out of everything mentioned here where it's the most noticeable.Especially because it also reuses many shots throughout the series.Like the front shot of Gendo and Fuyutsuki in the Nerv command center.A lot of these others were short OVAs or Films that I remember had more consistency in their animation.0083, FLCL, and Macross plus/dyrl had some pretty notable character acting animation aside from the mecha stuff.
shut the fuck up about eva jesus fucking christ
>>19397141"talking heads" aren't "a problem", it's a perfectly valid resource to save time and money, of course if the show consists of nothing but tasteless "talking heads" it becomes a problem, but a close up isn't a problem, stop talking like there is an objective way to make animation
>>19397203No body's stopped you from replying to any other posts that mentioned different anime or starting a discussion about another you find interesting yourself.But instead you're just whining.
>>19397214What makes you think I didn't?
>>19395777Narrative looks like the tv-movie budget version of Unicorn.Which is really weird, given that it's a theatrical movie.
>>19397210>"talking heads" aren't "a problem", it's a perfectly valid resource to save time and money>stop talking like there is an objective way to make animationyou know were the saying the same thing right?>doesnt have unlimted budget so they decided to priottize the fights instead of character acting in dialogue scenes
OVA and movies are too consistently high quality to really determine the best.For TV anime maybe Escaflowne. Space Dandy, if it counts as /m/.
>>19397253No, you are saying it's "a problem" but it's not, even if they had more budget and unlimited time, they wouldn't animate those scenes """"""""""""""""better"""""""""""""""", they'd probably make more episodes with the same """""""quality""""""" and structure.
>>19397059I'm so glad my Jegan bois were featured even if it was mostly to get their shit pushed in
>>19397281It's never a good idea to take multiple peoples thoughts and combine them into a fictitious caricature
>>19397272thats not how animation works. getting more budget and time to animate doesnt you get time to write more episodes. the animators are not the writters. if someone is trying to tell a story theyre not going to shoehorn in filler and extend the episode count just because they got more budget. They have nothing to do with each other. given more time and budget they would go over "talking head scenes" and make the characters more expressive and animated. being a character animator is a specific job in the industry, animators dont prefer to have talking heads. they want their characters to move.
>>19395777Are you fucking insane?
>>19394880Compared to Unicorn, NT looks like a budget version of Unicorn
>>19396083Did you just say ZZ?
>>19397662no im quoting someone who said ZZ
>>19394935>>19394938Those thruster effects are really well done
>>19394945It's super cool, because it's got style for days, but for actual animation? Your webm has shit animation. 90% of that is repeated.
>>19403348that's how animation works dummy
Threads like these are exactly why I don't go to /a/. If you guys in a small niche can't even identify good animation, then there's no reason to see /a/'s even worse opinions.
>>19403365Than all animation looks like shit and this thread was pointless.
Post the Dance like you want to win scene.
>>19403370I agree on the second part but how can you be so spastic as to get triggered because of repetition? that's quite literally dipping your toes (if not full on cannonballing) into the spectrum
>>19403392>how can you be so spastic as to get triggered because of repetitionHow do you miss the point?This thread is for posting good animation. That Bubblegum Crisis animation is cool looking, but it's actual animation looks like shit.Art Style =/= Animation QualitySo if that's what you are defending, then the entire medium looks like shit.
>>19403430Cannonballing it is.
>>19403430let me guess, american?
>>19403439Speak English.>>19403443Not a burger, sorry. Not that it's relevant to what was said.
>>19403454>"Than" all animation looks like shit>Speak EnglishDecide yourself.
>>19403485>one letter typo>suddenly the rest of the point is invalidI'll wait until you actually say something relevant.
>>19403490You've had more than just one typo, but yeah that's not the reason why you are wrong.
>>19403512>keeps focusing on things that aren't relevant>won't defend the animationI'm starting to think you know that you're wrong, but don't want to admit it.
>>19403521You just spent the past hour saying how all animation is shit, why should I bother having any kind of discussion with such a knobhead like you? Next time look up the matter of discussion before you spout trash and maybe try being a bit less condescending.
>>19394658Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
>>19403490I never said you were wrong. I merely mocked you for expecting others to write in perfect English when you're unable to do it yourself.And I also said that you're full cannonballing into the spectrum.
>PEOPLE SAYING UNICORNFUCKING HELL, IT ISN'T EVEN THE BEST GUNDAM ANIMATED SHIT, THAT IS THE NEW SCENES IN ZANT
>>19403943While i agree Unicorn wasn't great. Literally three people out of the 50+ posters did you mouth breather. Go scream somewhere else.
Toku has far superior animation to mecha anime. No corners cut, no frames wasted, always something moving, always on 1s.
>>19404031the fight is completely weightless, is this the new pacific rim """anime"""? look at all the copypasted bushes in the bg lol
I'll never get tired of E7's surfing mechs