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What's your favorite Cutie Honey series, /m/?
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>>19200080
I choose....this one
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i only watched the episode from shin where akira helps one of the girls break out of some bdsm nazi prison camp
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Is there an order I should watch her series in?
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All are good (haven't seen Universe yet though) but the original is still such a fucking riot that you can't go wrong with it. All you can ask for except a satisying conclusion.

>>19200823
Release order.
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>>19200122
I don't love the costume design there, but it's a fun one.
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What's your favorite Honey cameo?
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>>19200080
Universe > 1973 > Flash > Shin > Re

Universe is the only one on par with the manga in terms of storytelling and character progression, and the only (almost) straight adaptation of the plot. Best versions of multiple characters, definitely the best Tarantula and the best Nat-chan, arguably the best Jill and Seiji. The only time Naoko and her gang and Eboji ever appeared in an anime. Overall the most serious adaptation that cares most about the manga's themes and the best character drama.

1973 is a classic and the visual desidn and cinematography are stunning. Its portrayal of Honey is unbeaten, and probably will forever be the gold standard for the character. It is extremely fun and easy to follow. There are some weaknesses, some of them related to it coming out during the manga's runtime: That it had to stall for time and goes into a bit of a limbo, meandering around without advancing the plot after Natsuko's death is one such thing. Natsuko's death sadly lacked emotional impact on viewers and on Honey herself and, together with everyone else escaping the school unharmed, is probably the lowlight of the original anime.

Flash, I do need to rate highly, as a Sailor Moon fan. It is a mostly original story, only taking things from the manga here and there, but it still works incredibly well. I found Jill's portrayal particularly effective.

Shin is hard to place, because it was always intended to be a sequel rather than an an adaptation of the sam plot. It's probably the most ambitious project, but that's also why it ran out of budget and was never finished. Would have been interesting to see where it would have gone. I do love what it did in its eight episodes though and it hit Honey's character pretty well.

(...)
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>>19204539
(...)

As for Re:CH, I don't hate it either. In fact, I do still love it quite a bit. But it is far more Anno than Nagai, and strays extremely far from what Honey is actually about, dropping all the themes and making Honey herself a complete airhead. Panther Claw become a joke, and there is little moral symbolism. Instead it all becomes about Honey's inner struggles (obviously inspired more by Devilman), but that's overshadowed by the general silliness, flashy animation and forced yuri. Overall clearly the weakest of the anime, and the anti-Universe in a way.

Of course, if I start to include non-anime versions in the ranking, it gets a bit messy.
The 1973 manga is still the best and I'd probably rate it over Universe most of the time (unless I'm in a particularly Uinverse-mood).
The manga sequels, again a bit harder to place, probably rank right below the 1973 anime. CH aGoGo is about the same level as Flash and Shin. And that's all the major manga. I'll leave out the smaller ones.
For live action, I generally rate them lower than most of the anime, and in this order: Tears > 2004 > The Live

Which would make the complete ranking something like:
1973 manga > Universe > 1973 anime > manga sequels > Flash > Shin > aGoGo > Tears > 2004 toku > Re > The Live
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>>19200823
Not really. Just make sure not to watch Shin before watching the origninal anime or reading the manga, as it is a sequel.
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>>19201599
Are there any Cutie Honey crabsticks out there?
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>>19200080
All of the/m/
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Does the Ishikawa manga seem any good?
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Shin. It's first four episodes are really solid. The remaining four sadly go nowhere but they're fine as a bonus.

Vs Devilman Lady is legit awesome.

The 70s anime is classic and The Live was an alright toku all things considered. Universe was solid even if I felt some more deviations woulda been nice.

Still haven't watched Flash (aka Diet Sailor Moon) so no comment.

Oh yeah, while I'm not to crazy on Re it being three episodes meant it was an alright watch. Go Go however was really fun to read and I wish that had a much more rounded conclusion of sorts.
>>19207512
They're just straight up adaptions of the anime iirc
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>>19204564
actually you really don't need to
it helps sure, but it was written in a way where anyone can get into it without prior know how of the character
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>>19207555
i'll one up ya
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/3139423
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>>19207548
Well, I know that you don't need to. It was my first Cutie Honey and it turned me into a fan, made me check out more.
But I also can say that it was quite confusing at times. Yes, Shin does give a few explanations and flashbacks, but that's hardly enough to grasp the significance of certain things. Why is Zora such bad news? Who exactly was Natsuko? What exactly did Honey do back then anyway?
Overall, the experience gets much better when you've already read the manga or seen the 1973 anime (Universe probably works as well). And the more familiar you are with other Nagai franchises. All the eastereggs, cameos and in-jokes really elevate the series.
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>>19207544
>Still haven't watched Flash (aka Diet Sailor Moon)
It's not "Diet" Sailor Moon. It's stragiht up Sailor Moon with a few tweaks and a different branding.
Maybe you could call it "Cherry Sailor Moon".
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I like how Flash straight up has the Getter Team with their names only slightly tweaked as a part of the supporting regular cast.
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>>19207794
And they occasionally, every few episodes, get to look cool.
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90's shoujo style Daisetsuzan Oroshi is something I didn't know I needed until I saw Flash.
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>>19207801
O_O
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>>19209225
What does this mean?
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>>19209225
>>19211974
I meant that for the porno post
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>>19207544
Yeah, but is the Ishikawa manga fun? Is it a fun manga?
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>>19212919
It's fun yea, but it's basically what you get in the anime.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX8iA0onb6I
Post your favorite Honey track.
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>>19213661
>>19213661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUs_fwB3w_g
I'm partial to the full version of the '73 OP.

Particularly that bridge right after the Kawaru wa yo.
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>>19207555
>The Live Action Porn
Sauce
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>>19215295
Not sure which one he's talking about, but there are quite a few Honey-inspired ZEN/GIGA thingies out there. Not that great if you ask me. They've done other, better, stuff.
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>>19213502
Turns out there's so much more classic Ishikawa Gore than the anime.
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Flash is my favorite, but 73 had the best music.
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>>19204539
>Universe > 1973 > Flash > Shin > Re

Wow, that's the exact opposite of how I'd rank them, but since none of them are bad, I can't vehemently disagree.
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>>19218863
Well, like I explained, I'm a fan of the manga first and foremost. That should explain it.
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Merry Christmas, everyone.
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>>19220560
And a Merry Christmas to you too.
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The one with actual mecha in it.
Oh wait
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>>19223513
Anon does this book feature the trio of boys in F anywhere?
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>>19223518
>t. brainlet who's never read or seen anything related to Honey
By the way, Universe has an "actual mecha" in it.
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>>19223525
Show it
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>>19223550
bruh
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>>19223525
I no longer have that weird panel from the nineties manga where honey turns herself into mazinger due to a hard drive crash.

She's also a flat out mecha pilot in Mazinger Angels, but one could argue it doesn't count since it's not a cutey honey manga.
She's also in Shin Mazinger Zero, and Grendizer Giga.
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>>19223564
Also the obvious is to point out Honey is an Android, but given how most of these threads end up being screen shots of Flash, the one Honey show where she isn't an android, they kind of have a point with that one.
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>>19223550
Ain't Kaiser a cyborg?
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>>19223572
True, but the Getter team is there for some reason in Flash so it loops back around to being solidly /m/.
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>>19223589
In this case, it's a piloted mecha.
You're just proving that you haven't seen the anime you're talking about.
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>>19223642
True! I haven't.
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>>19223647
Well, if you're the same guy who claimed that no Cutie Honey has a mecha, you really should have watched those series beforehand.
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>>19223518
https://youtu.be/0ALWQBCT3q4
https://youtu.be/s61frZAYFsA
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>>19223663
I'm a general Dynamic fan who's only watched the 70's series and a little of Shin and Flash, I'm more familiar with Kaiser as a cyborg from stuff like Violence Jack.
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>>19223727
Honey herself generally is a cybort/robot/hybrid as well. As others have stated, that alone, and being a Nagai series, is reason enough to discuss it here on /m/. And that, even though Universe has a mecha, it still isn't really a mecha anime at heart, shows that a technical definition of the genre doesn't take us anywhere anyway.

To some, "mecha" means giant robots fighting, others like the technological scifi element, or maybe the occasional kaiju, yet other love the soap-like character drama the most, and to some it's about war and ethics. You can argue that Cutie Honey generally has some of those things, and apply different definitions of the genre. But saying it doesn't belong here, when only a third of the board is about mecha in a strict sense, another third is about toku and Sentai, and the last third is basically just random assorted things that don't necessarily belong on any of the other boards, seems a bit too rigorous.

Oh, and, how can you have seen "a little" of Shin? It's only eight episodes.
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>>19223752
Well, I've only watched 2 episodes of Shin. And about 10 of Flash.
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>>19223774
Okay. You do you. Just saying that Shin can easily be "binged" in one evening.
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>>19200823
It literally doesn't matter.
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>>19207544
>Jouji Manabe
Aw yeah, that's the ticket
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>>19223550
>>19223589
>>19223642
Some one off inconsequential barely-there robots/cyborgs don't make entire franchise /m/.
Otherwise batman would be /m/.
Why can't you just stay in /a/?
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>>19226183
Go to toku threads and complain there, please.
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>>19226183
Because /a/ is too fast to discuss older anime and so /m/ is the designated vintage sci fi anime board.
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>>19227170
Also because sci-fi is kinda out of style in modern anime. MMORPG isekai implies high-end sci-fi but for some reason it's all Dungeons and Dragons.
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>>19226183
The main character is still an android. And if you haven't fucking noticed /m/ has a long running general for fucking hair. This is an odd thing to single out.
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>>19223518
>turned into a Mazinger
>fought against dinosaurs alongside Ryoma Nagare
>helped Kouji against Dr. Hell
>literally a fucking android
NOT /M/!!! NOT /M/!!!
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>>19227180
>Also because sci-fi is kinda out of style in modern anime
literally all I can think of last season was Deca Dence
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>>19228042
Akudama Drive was very scifi
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>>19227180
To be fair, Cutie Honey never really feels "sci-fi", despite the robots. Maybe because her (and possibly other characters) being a robot doesn't really ever matter in the plot, and she's treated as if she was fully human. Maybe because there's no techno-babble, no space and no (post-)apocalyptic future. Maybe because she mostly fights with a simple rapier and in mostly traditional or contemporary costumes.
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>>19226183
Ignoring the fact that you're trying to call the main character of her show an "inconsequential barely-there cyborg", Batman is an absolutely awful choice to use for a "Not /m/" argument.
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>>19227170
>so /m/ is the designated vintage sci fi anime board.
Why doesn't this just become an official thing already?
I'd like to have a good place to discuss classic non-/m/ anime.
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I love how even Honey has those 70's sideburns.
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>>19229784
>sideburns
Those are bangs, in her case.
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>>19229809
If we're being technical, like 40% of sideburns on male 70s manga protagonists are actually sidebangs. But we call them sideburns too.
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>>19229847
Akira is a bit inconsistent. In some manga, they look like those spiky bangs that Tarantula has as well. In others, and particularly in the different anime adaptations (minus Crybaby, which ruins his hairdo completely, just like so many other things) they are much bushier and seem to stick to the side of his head, like actual sideburns.
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The manga is hot garbage and so Universe. Everything else is fine except Re. Re is shit.
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>>19230315
Fuck off, troll.
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>>19229950
That's ... that's Kouji Kabuto. Although Ryo has the same weird spiky 90 degree angle ones as Kouji.
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>>19230389
Yeah, I noticed that as well after opening the pic full size.
For some reason I only got that idea after posting.
Anyway, I think Akira also has the spiky hair somewhere. And the general point stands: Those bangs and/or sideburns are a bit inconsistent for male characters.

Anyway, my rule of thumb: If I'd bang the character, they're bangs.
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>>19230324
I'm not trolling just being honest
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>>19230581
No, you're being an idiot trying to bait people.
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>>19230585
No, I'm just saying both manga and Universe are shitty and that's a opinion many others share with me. Perhaps more than actual fans of those pieces of shit, which are all delusional Nagai fanboys.
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>>19230895
>those pieces of shit
>delusional Nagai fanboys
See, you are trying to get people agitated for no good reason.
If you have an opinion, fine, express it. But do so with some dignity. Elaborate on WHY you dislike certain things, so people can have a civil discussion with you. The way you're going about it, you're just coming across as a massive idiot. Which, excuse my frankness, you probably are.

So, do you have an actual point to make?
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>>19230909
They're half-assed and they make no sense. As action series, they're disappointing, as comedies, they're terribly unfunny. Plot is forced as hell and full of asspulls. They don't have the funky soundtrack and the surreal psychedelic imagery. Honey is not as fun as in other incarnations. It's gross, it's unpleasant, and would never be remembered if it was not for the Toei anime.
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>>19230930
>As action series, they're disappointing
I guess this is your brain on battle shounen.
Ever heard of "drama"? Character drama, to be exact. You know, like theatre. If you want to turn your brain off, go watch a Michael Bay action flick or something.

>They don't have the funky soundtrack and the surreal psychedelic imagery.
True. But that's not what Cutie Honey is about.
Manga never has a soundtrack, and each anime adaptation chooses its own style of music to support its narrative. 1973 Cutie Honey was a product of the 70s, the soundtrack was contemporary. But it's not the 70s anymore.

>Honey is not as fun as in other incarnations.
What other adaptations are you even talking about? 1973, sure. Shin. And maybe you have seen Flash? In that one, she's not as "fun" as in the 1973 anime either.
But I hope you understand that neither the manga nor Universe are supposed to be lighthearted. Honey is not "fun", she's "real".
The original anime was rather tone deaf to have her school destroyed and best friend killed, but not to show a more serious and emotional side. The manga knew how to treat that properly, and that means that it stopped being "fun".
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>>19230991
Killing a bunch of characters with zero development and nobody cares about is not compelling drama. In Flash she still laughs and teases her enemies a lot. The school massacre in the manga is just tasteless and random, it has no deeper meaning, it's just Nagai being exploitative because he's out of ideas. Probably because he used all his creative juices while doing Devilman and there was nothing left for Honey and Mazinger. So everything is pointless, at least the TV show had its own identity instead of being poor man's Abashira Ikka.
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>>19231013
>Killing a bunch of characters with zero development
That was in the anime. In the manga, those characters actually had development.
>The school massacre in the manga is just tasteless and random, it has no deeper meaning,
Maybe you should pay better attention. Because it's literally what propells Honey first into a depression and then into taking action against Jill more directly. As for the "meanging" in a more "meta" sense, maybe you should start thinking about what values Nat-chan stands for, especially in terms of ethical principles.
>instead of being poor man's Abashira Ikka
Cutie Honey has nothing to do with Abashiri Ikka, other than taking Danbei's character design from it.
You really seem to lack the intellectual impetus to look beyond the most superficial plotpoints.
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>>19231036
>Fat/ugly lesbians are characters with real development
Manga is not even long enough to even develop Honey let alone the supporting cast.
>Honey is sad her friends died
That's all there's to it, you're just projecting your own personal views into a non-existent plot. Honey and Nat-chan's relationship consists of Nat-chan being inexplicably horny for Honey just like everyone else in the manga.
>Cutie Honey has nothing to do with Abashiri Ikka, other than taking Danbei's character design from it.
Abashiri Ikka is literally proto-Honey but lasted for much longer and has a more interesting plot with way more characters. Honey is overly simplified Abashiri Ikka mixed with tokusatsu tropes, they even ran in the same magazine.
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>>19231065
>Manga is not even long enough
Bullshit. It's two volumes. That's more than enough to develop characters. And you'd know that, had you actually paid any attention to it.
>That's all there's to it
No, it isn't. Again, that's how the 1973 anime handles it, with no consequences. The manga has Honey actually internalize all of that. But we've already established that you're not paying attention to characters and instead want some mindless action where you don't need to think about stuff.
>Honey and Nat-chan's relationship consists of Nat-chan being inexplicably horny for Honey
Interesting that you completely ignore Honey's side of the equation.
>Abashiri Ikka is literally proto-Honey
It's easy to make such a wild and stupid claim, but of course, it's impossible to actually back it up with anything.
>they even ran in the same magazine
Wow. Incredible. Did you know that Nisekoi was in the same magazine as Naruto? I guess that means that they're basically the same thing, right?
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>>19230428
Ishikawa has mastered the art of ridiculously long sideburns/bangs.
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>>19231099
I have to laugh every time I see these fucking things.
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>>19231099
>>19231112
You're just jealous that you can't grow yours out like that!
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>>19231092
>Bullshit. It's two volumes. That's more than enough to develop characters.
Only 2 volumes and it moves in rapid-fire pace and gives you no room to breathe, again only to have dyke stereotypes unceremoniously killed off in the third-to-last chapter.
>The manga has Honey actually internalize all of that.
Honey has some generic ass monologue with herself about vengeance you can find in literally any work of the time where a character dies. Yeah, that sure adds a lot of character. Bad things happen, she gets mad. Wow, just like real life, right? But then next page is back to "lol boobs" and action scenes. At least Nagai was trying hard with Devilman.
>Nat-chan isn't an ugly dyke and Honey is roommates with her, so Honey likes her more than the others
Wow, deep stuff
> 本作のベースとなったのは企画時、永井豪が週刊少年チャンピオンに連載していた少女が主人公のバイオレンスマンガ『あばしり一家』。同作品のキャラクターが主人公を含め名前を変えて登場している
Japanese wiki page literally says Abashiri Ikka was the base for Honey and mentions the magazine connection. Some characters from it were even carried over to the anime that were not in the manga.
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>>19231185
>it moves in rapid-fire pace
Actually, no, it doesn't. Again, you just seem to read it so quickly that you skip the character building moments. Then again, many of them are subtle, even purely visual at times. Nagai is not an author who likes to spell every single thing out for retards.
>in the third-to-last chapter.
There are no official chapters, idiot. Yes, it originally released in parts, but the volumes do not have chapter breaks.

>Honey has some generic ass monologue with herself about vengeance you can find in literally any work of the time where a character dies.
You again miss the kind of character Honey is. I mean, of course you do.
>next page is back to "lol boobs" and action scenes.
Actually, no, that takes several pages. The 1973 anime, however ...

>Wow, deep stuff
Well, so much for you trying to look beyond the simplest conclusion you can jump to. You're really not even asking yourself what Nat-chan stands for.

>wiki page
Yes, that's about as deep as your arguments go.
>Some characters from it were even carried over to the anime that were not in the manga.
Ah, so there we have it. The anime you love so much apparently is the thing that's just, what did you call it ... a "poor man's Abashira Ikka".
Good thing the manga isn't anything like that, right?
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>>19231121
I'm jealous, but also afraid.
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Where are my /LIVE LADS/ @?
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>>19231099
>>19231112
holy shit what was he thinking
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Over here.
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What are your thoughts on this character?
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>>19230905
Where did you get this?
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>>19233881
https://aucview.com/yahoo/s602227732/
This is where I saw it.
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>>19233895
I wish this one with the close-ups of everyone's eyes was less blurry.
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>>19233773
Every single night before I go to sleep I hope I wake up with her in my arms and every single morning I cry and masturbate for completely unrelated reasons.
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>>19207544
>Manabe never drew a Honey doujin
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>>19236841
Why's this cell have a full color background attached?
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Can someone break down the various Cutie Honey mangas? A little synopsis/tone guide?
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>>19241650
All of them? Or only the major ones? I can do the latter, but I doubt anyone can really do the former.
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>>19241671
The major ones/as many as you know of.

I read a tweet saying there were like 5 mangas for Flash alone.
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>>19242145
For Flash, I've only read one, which is named "Cutie Honey F" but I think there was also a smaller one that released in some TV magazine, which I cannot comment on.
For CHF, it's probably the most lighthearted of the major manga that you find out there. It only very vaguely follows the Flash anime series, but the characters are pretty much in line with it.

Then there is the main series, or rather the main three series, by Nagai himself. The 1973 manga, which started it all, and two sequels.
1973 is pretty straightforward the original that all adaptations are based on. If you've seen Universe, that's mostly what you can expect in terms of tone and themes. It is way more serious (and at times dark and somber) than the 1973 anime.
The first sequel from 1991 sees Jill return. The tone stays about the same, but it does step up the violence and action a bit. And the next sequel, Tennyo Densetsu, continues that same trend.

There were a few more smaller manga in 1973, that were more humorous adaptations of the anime back into manga format, again in TV magazines. Most notably the ones by Ken Ishikawa Yuu Okazaki.

Then there was CH a Go Go, which was inspired by Anno's version of Cutie Honey, but actually incorporated more of the original manga's ideas. It's a fun read, not quite as heavy as Nagai's manga, but it did go into a similar, darker, direction before it was cancelled.

That leaves only crossovers and spinoffs by Nagai and other authors.
To name the most significant ones:
Honey to Yukiko-hime
Enma VS Honey
Honey VS Devilman Lady
Honey VS Abashiri Ikka
Dynamic Heroes (2011)
Ooedo Honey (a short semi-official doujinshi and a personal favourite of mine)

Oh, and there are Nagai's semi-autobiographical Gekiman series, one of which concentrates on how Cutie Honey was created.
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>>19242194
>For Flash, I've only read one, which is named "Cutie Honey F" but I think there was also a smaller one that released in some TV magazine, which I cannot comment on.
I wonder if it got one of those "screencaps with word balloons" comics like Sailor Moon got back in the day
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>>19242214
>I wonder if it got one of those "screencaps with word balloons" comics like Sailor Moon got back in the day
I doubt it. Not only because we'd certainly know if it did, but also because, as far as I know, the cheap "screencap comics" for Sailor Moon were something only released outside of Japan, as a way for foreign publishers to make a quick buck.
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>>19242222
>as far as I know, the cheap "screencap comics" for Sailor Moon were something only released outside of Japan, as a way for foreign publishers to make a quick buck.
I'm not positive but I recall seeing a few irl and they were in Japanese.
Also I recall Hitoshi Doi noting that he did some of his Sailor Moon synopses off them.
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>>19242242
Interesting. I know that here in Germany, those comics you speak of where released by a publisher in a bi-monthly magazine. And I, being the Sailor Moon fan that I am, and the stupid child I was back then, of course bought it, even though it offered little of actual value.
I wouldn't have thought that stuff like that sold in Japan, which had the manga and lots of merchandise.
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>>19242247
just one more piece of merch to hustle
and to be fair vintage Sailor Moon is pretty far from the comics, and back then you couldn't just mash the "screen shot" button so your options for images from the show were limited
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>>19242260
>so your options for images from the show were limited
You don't need to tell me. I spent hours downloading low-res screenshots and artwork of the anime via a 56k modem back in the day.
And I kinda miss those days.
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>>19242265
>that absolute madlad who uploaded almost all of the last episode of the Sailor Stars a day after it aired
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>>19242194
Now do her cameos, now do her cameos in other Dynamic stuff.
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>>19242362
Sorry, but there's a character limit of 2000 characters per post.
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>>19242379
>a new kekko kamen animation
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>>19242404
The sales of that video weren't that good.
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>>19242404
How was the first Kekko Kamen animation?
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>>19200080
re:
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>>19246004
for affectionate bullying.
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>>19246004
A DILF.
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>>19246004
Say what you want about The Live, but it had a great Seiji.
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>>19242379
holy fuck, how is the animation for such an old show this good
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>>19247820
You don't know much about animation, do you?
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>>19247828
i guess not
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>>19247844
Well, in that case:
The mid-90s were the peak of cel animation, before the whole industry switched to digital in the early 2000s to cut costs. Which means that anime produced at the time (late 80s to late 90s) that had a reasonable budget tended to look great. And Shin had a massive bugdet, which it still outspent. So, yes, they went all out. And the animators had years, if not decades, of experience with the medium they worked with.
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>>19246060
Mixed feelings on that one.
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>>19248684
Seiji is cute but stupid.
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>>19251035
Oh no! They beheaded Honey!
Those bastards!
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>>19251211
Should I call up Fudo Akira now?
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>>19251220
You better don't. I do not think he'd react well to it.
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>>19247850
Do you have any tips on emulating cel animation styles digitally? For fake screencap making.
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>>19252241
Well, it's not as easy as just slapping a filter on a drawing, as if it was, animation studios would do it. But you will need to apply a layer with some noise to the finished picture to emulate the photographic process of putting the cels on film. Random noise isn't a good choice, since film grain isn't random, Perlin noise is slightly better but not perfect for the purpose either.
When it comes to drawing the picture itself, it's not that different from the techniques used digitally, provided the digital animation uses cel-shading techniques. But the medium and the colours do behave differently. So you need to keep in mind that when you cel-shade digitally, that will give you hard clear edges, while using physical colours will make those edges just a slight bit softer and ever so slightly irregular. But don't go too far with that: Cel colours don't smugde into each other, for example: The regions are still clearly defined, unless the animator mixed colours to produce a gradient.
That balance is what's almost impossible to emulate, because digital drawing allows for far more freedom, but once you limit yourself to what the medium would limit you to, it suddenly doesn't take you quite far enough.

When it comes to backgrounds, they most often used to be handdrawn on classic media. Often watercolour. So if you know how to emulate that digitally, that helps.
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>>19252705
Know of any good Japanese fonts with a kind of vintage/Showa look to them? For subtitles and such?
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>>19253176
Well, most of the fonts I have are of the mincho type.
You're probably looking for something with bolder strokes and a more regular look, I asume? So either a gothic font or a kaku font.
One that I have here would be "Yu Gothic", which in its bold face could be what you're looking for.
Another one that could look interesting in the context, but is technically rounder ("maru") and less regular than what you're looking for, is "UD Digi Kyokasho".
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>>19242379
Shin was a great time all around. Shame the last four episodes go nowhere, but I'm happy with what we got.
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>>19253924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_KhzTGJyl8
Shin's 2nd opening is pretty damn sweet at least.
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>>19253936
It's second half's ED is great too.
https://youtu.be/VH4Nj9i29Q8
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>>19200080
dykeshit sucks so none.
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I read the manga and it was awful. I don't get why this is such a beloved property. How much the anime changed from it?
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>>19253398
I mean something kind of like this?
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>>19254904
Sweet Fruit Jesus, fag, which /m/ tomboy stole your girl?
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>>19255186
That's a maru font. You can tell from the rounded corners.
I can't tell you what font it is exactly. But you could try one of these two:

https://www.freejapanesefont.com/nikumaru-free-font/
https://www.freejapanesefont.com/hc-maru-gothic-font-download/

They definitely are not the same, but the style is similar.
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>>19255157
The manga is not Nagai's best. Good concept but iffy execution.

The really great CH stuff is the OVAs and Flash IMO. Maybe the old anime as well, but I haven't seen it yet.
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>>19256119
>The manga is not Nagai's best.
Actually, yes, it is. Stop encouraging hatred.
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>>19256132
We all know you think the manga is some kind of masterpiece and the most of us will still disagree with you. Give up.
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>>19256434
>most of us
Speak for yourself, moron. People who come here are actually Nagai fans, and you're free to fuck off if you have a problem with that.

And Cutie Honey is the quintessential Nagai. It has everything that's characteristic of his writing: Drama, a personal story, great allegories, sexual humour, quirky characters, violence and lots of emotion. I understand that brainlets like yourself prefer mindless action, but that doesn't mean you're the authority on whether the manga is good or not.
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>>19256132
Anon, no, Susano-o or Shutendoji is.
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>>19256492
Arguments?
Not saying they aren't characteristic Nagai manga, but I wouldn't say that they encompass his way of writing as fully as Cutie Honey does.
Not that it really matters here. I hope you will agree that hating the Cutie Honey manga is hating Nagai as an author.
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>>19256444
>mindless action
Ironic considering the manga is basically this and tits.
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>>19256492
Shutendoji is pure garbage, though. Total nonsense with a shit-tier ending that destroys anything good it had going on for it. And even at its best it's a still a poor man's Devilman. Same goes for Susano-o except it don't shit the bed as bad as Shutendoji did.
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>>19256566
Sure, if you switch your brain off.
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>>19256594
That's the only way anyone can enjoy it, really. Either that or being genuinely retarded like you. Even Nagai didn't give a shit about Honey. He could not even come up with a decent ending for it. He just vomited that manga in a few days to relieve stress after working on Devilman full-time. Even Nagai despises his old work and would retcon shit on Gekiman with Natsuko being kept alive and raped repeatedly by Sister Jill. And then this fucker comes and tries to pass this crap as "muh deep subtlety". You need to be mentally handicapped to think there's anything worthwhile about it.
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>>19256542
Honestly I prefer the Kekko Kamen manga myself a little bit more. What puzzles me right now is this anon who's hating on cool beautiful late 70's Nagai. >>19256584
The ending of Shutendoji may have been weird but it's a great manga. Susano-o was weaker in the ending department in my opinion.
There was kind of a weird genre shift in Shutendoji but it was a bit more naturalistic and made sense in the context of its bizarre time travel plot, than "spaceships in a contemporary setting out of nowhere" Susano-o.
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>>19256604
>That's the only way anyone can enjoy it, really. Either that or being genuinely retarded like you.
You're an idiot. And I don't mean that as an inult. You're literally mentally challenged.
Now fuck off, troll. You're tone betrays your intent.

>>19256625
Well, I wasn't talking in terms of preferrence, really. It's more about what the manga have to offer, respectively, and how much of Nagai's different characteristics as a writer are shown in there. Kekko Kamen is quite a bit more lighthearted than Cutie Honey, and it's missing out on the more serious drama, and as far as I can tell, it isn't as heavy on themes as Cutie Honey is.
Susanoo and Shutendouji fall very much on the other side, and while they do have their funny moments, they show, not unlike Devilman, a far more serious Nagai than Honey does.
But, in the end, I think that people who hate one of those manga will most likely hate all of them. Nagai isn't for everyone, and for some reason the Nagai-haters tend to be extremely confrontational assholes who refuse to even consider anyone's arguments for what Nagai's work has to offer.
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>>19256492
Don't persist in your folly, anon. It's not too late.
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>>19256635
I know your saying Kekko Kamen is "quite a bit more lighthearted than Cutie Honey" because there's no mass cast kill off or father death, but I'd personally consider Kekko Kamen darker because the level of focus put on the graphic tortures.
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>>19256625
>"spaceships in a contemporary setting out of nowhere" Susano-o.
You're going to love Black Lion.
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>>19258309
... What ??? What do you mean?
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>>19258337
I'm not saying that spaceships coming out of nowhere is a bad thing. I actually love Shutendoji's "you thought it was Devilman-esqe dark fantasy, but it was ME, Science Fiction!" plot.
I'm just saying the ending is more of an inexplicable clusterfuck in Susano-o.
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Shin Honey has best bounce
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>>19258348
>science fiction
>everything was crazy mom drawings coming to life
If anything, Devilman is the Sci-Fi and Shutendoji is the fantasy. Spaceships and robots don't turn anything into Science Fiction you dumbass. You need to back up that shit with actual scientific background which Shutendoji provides none. At least Devilman had a realistic approach with humans trying to use science to fight the demon menace which is explanined by the sudden appearance of predators and their behavior is similar to evolution and survival of the strong, which is more science based than fucking Shutendoji. That was literally Nagai making shit up as he went along with no clear direction where he wanted to go. It worked for Devilman but not here. The ending has no impact and just come out as forced and stupid.
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>>19258421
>You need to back up that shit with actual scientific background which Shutendoji provides none.
That's not true at all. You're thinking about hard sci-fi. Soft sci-fi can just throw in futuristic tech without worrying about how it's explained.
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>>19258450
>>19258421
I never said it was hard sci-fi, it's more science fantasy.
Is this the same anon who was irrationally angry about Honey?
Because "Honey is a robot so she can use her atmospheric condenser to do fancy mahou shoujo stuff" is honestly just as much soft sci fi as "Jiro is a weird lifeform made out of transformed photons so he can do fancy mahou shonen sword stuff.
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>>19258311
You do have a point. Let's just say it's a different kind of darkness. Besides, the Cutie Honey sequels do get quite graphic here and there as well.
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>>19258450
>In The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, Peter Nicholls writes that "soft SF" is a "not very precise item of SF terminology" and that the contrast between hard and soft is "sometimes illogical."[3] In fact, the boundaries between "hard" and "soft" are neither definite nor universally agreed-upon, so there is no single standard of scientific "hardness" or "softness." Some readers might consider any deviation from the possible or probable (for example, including faster-than-light travel or paranormal powers) to be a mark of "softness." Others might see an emphasis on character or the social implications of technological change (however possible or probable) as a departure from the science-engineering-technology issues that in their view ought to be the focus of hard SF. Given this lack of objective and well-defined standards, "soft science fiction" does not indicate a genre or subgenre of SF but a tendency or quality—one pole of an axis that has "hard science fiction" at the other pole.
Sounds like a buzzword to justify lazy writing for me. Or attributed to people who had no business being SF writers. It was not really recognized by any of the pillars of the genre like Asimov, Clarke or Heinlein. And this text came from the person who coined the term.

>>19258480
I'm not that guy.
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>>19256604
>>19258421
I'm pretty sure that these are made by the same person.
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>>19258548
Those are both me. I don't even hate Nagai or think he's a terrible creator or anything, I just think he has more misses than hits and his properties were handled better by other people. In contrast to the other guy who thinks the Honey manga of all things is some sort of magnum opus.
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>>19258561
Well, it's good to know you aren't some kind of random troll.
I think I might just really like the characters in Shutendoji more than the plot. Shutendoji is definitely enjoyable even if the plot threads get kind of stupid.
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>>19258561
>I don't even hate Nagai
Oh, sure you don't. That's why you come to a thread like this and not only state your hatred of his works and insult the people who like them for liking them and for getting more out of them than you do.
You're fucking retarded and a troll trying to instigate dissent in here.
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>>19258583
That's alright for me. I think the main goal of any manga is to entertain even if it's stupid. Jiro is a better protagonist than the dude from Susano-o, I give you that. The dude who just uses his super powers to rape some chick by shredding her clothes because he's pissed his girlfriend got gang raped. WTF? That's not a compelling character at all and Nagai really push the boundaries of how much you can tolerate or feel sympathetic towards sick perverts and borderline sociopaths. Both manga have extremely shallow female characters, though. For someone who likes to praise himself for writing strong women, he's seriously lacking that skill in a lot of his major works.
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>>19258561
>he has more misses than hits
That's like every mangaka ever. When you think of artists like Kentarou Miura or Yoshihiro Togashi you can name only one of their works. Maybe two if you're really into one of them. But Nagai has a ton of cool overlooked mangas, and a load of untranslated ones. Not to mention the great anime based his properties, not only mere adaptations.
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>>19258586
Well, most Nagai fanboys in this board are insecure dipshits who refuse to accept any sort of criticism of their beloved Uncle Go even if he's extremely flawed in many departments. If you can be loud about your love and praise for him, I can be too for my distaste for a lot of shit he does. And when he's bad, he's really fucking terrible.
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>>19258644
>most Nagai fanboys in this board are insecure dipshits
Thanks for confirming what you're here for, troll.
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>>19258635
>But Nagai has a ton of cool overlooked mangas, and a load of untranslated ones
Does he? Because most of it feels like more of the same or a inferior version of something he has done before. And I read stuff that got translated for languages other than English. Italy got a shitton of Nagai and I'm mostly bored looking at it because it feels like the same old shit over and over again.
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>>19258649
So you just want everyone to agree with everything you say, is that it? This is a Cutie Honey thread and I happen to like a lot of its incarnations despite thinking Nagai's version is by far the worst.
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>>19258742
No, I want you to stop insulting people for liking something you're too stupid to understand.
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Wait, so the Anno guy who I see people felating sometimes on the board directed Re: Cutie Honey?
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>>19258787
Yes. Not all episodes personally, but he was the lead director.
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>>19258762
Maybe when you stop praising something for completely arbitrary, made up reasons. If you want to like schlock, no one can tell you to do otherwise. Be like the other guy and admit "this is stupid, but I like it" instead of trying really hard to find value in some trashy piece of media no one but you can take seriously.
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>>19258837
>completely arbitrary, made up reasons.
Like I said, you're simply too stupid to understand Cutie Honey, and unwilling to listen to people who offer explanations.
That's the kind of dishonest little shitposter you are. Fuck off.
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>>19258837
Maybe he just likes it and maybe you can stop being a douche
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Oh, and to everyone else: Please stop entertaining that piece of shit hating on the manga discussed in here. You've now seen what he's made of, him thinking he gets to say what value the manga has, and him aggressively disagree with multiple people just for the sake of grandstanding. Treat him like he deserved to be treated and either ignore him, or call him out as the piece of human trash he is.
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>>19258854
Because this >>19258762 and this >>19258851
Is not equivalent to being a douche, right? Talk about double standards,
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>>19258858
Oh, how precious. This is just lovely. You must think you're very important here to tell others what to do. What makes you imposing your opinions on others and calling stupid anyone who disagrees any less of a human trash than me, huh?
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>>19258860
No, telling you to stop insulting Nagai, his work and, most importantly, his fans, is not being a douche.
Telling you to listen to other people's arguments, and to show some respect to other viewpoints, is not being a douche.
You going around behaving like a little child, screaming at people, claiming that you have the authority to judge the "objective quality" of a manga and shaming people for liking what you claim to be "schlock" is.
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>>19258866
You deserve to be called that and worse for how you behave, troll.
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>>19258870
Nothing you have thrown at me is a proper argument. You convinced yourself what you think is true and no one can say a word to dispute it. And because you can't convince others of your point of view you call them stupid and assume they must be ignorant for not seeing the artistry behind a pure schlock manga. Grow up.
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>>19258881
>Nothing you have thrown at me is a proper argument.
Read the thread, imbecile.
And now shut up. Last reply you'll get from me.
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>>19258890
>Last reply you'll get from me.
Wow, thank God! You talk like that's a bad thing. Stay out of the thread while you're at it!
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>>19256132
I didn't mean to say it was bad. I just think it's not as good as some of his other manga (Devilman etc) and that some of the animated versions are better. I'm a huge Nagai fan and have been for years, I'm not "encouraging hatred" at all.
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>>19258969
Well, you can like other things better, but that doesn't make it an objective fact that all people would agree on. Your words treated it as such, even though you probably wanted them to sound differently, and look at what kind of shitposts that encouraged.
The one thing I've learned the hard way here on 4chan is that you need to weigh your words very carefully depending on whom you're talking to, because some people will interpret them in the most hostile way they can and start shit. Some people shouldn't be engaged in debate in the first place.
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>>19258337
Go on.
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>>19260671
it is what you think it is
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>>19260709
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>>19258991
I didn't treat anything as fact. I stated an opinion, and not in strong terms either. One guy says "I read it and didn't like it", I say "it's not the best thing ever, you might like Falsh better or whatever" and that's encouraging shitflinging?

I've watched Nagai threads (and for some reason Cutie Honey threads especially) become miserable shouting matches over the course of a few years now. I don't know why we can't just chat about things we like without shitting on each other anymore.
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>>19261444
>and that's encouraging shitflinging?
Yes, it is. When someone comes to threads like this one just to say how much he hates the manga the thread is about, you don't go agreeing with him even the slightest. It was clear that this guy was a troll from the start, and it was also clear that he'd use your statement as he did here:

>>19256434
>most of us will still disagree with you

Read the kinds of posts he made, and you'll see that he definitely took your post as an encouragement of his bullshit.

>why we can't just chat about things we like without shitting on each other anymore.
You might still not get it, but this guy does NOT like the manga. And you can see how he's instigated this kind of shouting match by directly attacking people for liking it.
Stop painting me as some kind of troll just because I spoke out against your statement that it's not the best. It arguably is.
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Was Cutie Honey Tears ever subbed? Hell, was raws even ever found for it?
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What will they do on Honey's 50th anniversary in a couple of years from now?
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>>19261459
The guy I responded to in the first place was not replying to anyone, so was AFAIK not in an argument at the time. He said he disliked the manga, didn't understand what others see in CH just from the manga, then asked how the anime differs from it. I then, in an effort to get him to give the franchise another chance, listed a few other CH media that I personally prefer. That was in no way an attack on the manga, it was a positive recommendation of the OVAs and Flash.

I won't argue with you about the merits of the manga. It was my introduction to CH, and I do enjoy it. I personally gravitate more to the dark, violent Nagai stuff (Devilman, Violence Jack, etc), but his light, fun fare can be good as well.
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>>19261459
Cutie Honey is not only a manga. If anything, it's more well remembered for being a anime. Other than Universe, every adaptation took the anime as a main source of inspiration. And guess what? Universe bombed and it's already forgotten.

Meanwhile the original anime theme song is one of the most beloved karaoke songs in Japan. It's a really iconic show for its fun atmosphere and psychedelic style. Almost no one likes it for forced drama. Anyone has the right of preferring the anime over the manga. The manga does not represent Cutie Honey as a whole. It's not the definitive version of Cutie Honey. And no one can be called stupid for not liking it.
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>>19261491
Long ass time ago.
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>>19261497
I'm just saying: When someone comes to a thread and hates on the one thing that the whole franchise is based on, sure, encourage him to check out other things, but don't ever encourage him to hate on it more. Most importantly, don't make statements that he can twist in you agreeing with him.
I have no issue with you liking other things better. But if you are fluent in English, you will know what connotations "not the best" entails.

>>19261507
>Other than Universe, every adaptation took the anime as a main source of inspiration.
That's flat out wrong. I have no idea whether you're lying out of your arse or if you're just this deluded. But let's go through all of them:
Shin is a continuation of the story, and from what we can tell, it takes at least as many elements from the manga than the anime. It definitely takes Natsuko's design and death from the manga, not from the anime, where Honey didn't care much about her dying.
Flash is more inspired by Sailor Moon than it is by either the manga or the 1973 anime, and ends up doing its own thing, really.
Re:CH takes pretty much nothing from the anime, but does directly adapt some visuals from the manga.

>Universe bombed and it's already forgotten.
Again, wrong. Universe was a huge success, no matter how much you personally might hate it. It had maybe the best TV slot of all CH anime, got one of the more interesting home releases and very quickly got a western localization (and is one of only two CH anime to ever get one).
It's defeinitely not forgotten either, as people do still talk about it. Including morons like yourself who hated it and can still not get over it.

>forced drama
Cutie Honey does not have forced drama, and never had.

>And no one can be called stupid for not liking it.
Maybe you've missed the discussion here, but the opposite is true: People got called stupid for liking it.

But, hey, keep shitposting, asshole.
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>>19200080
The '73 anime is way better than the manga. Flash is the best Cutie Honey anime
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>>19261550
Can you legit fucking kill yourself? You've legit destroyed all Cutie Honey threads with your immense faggotry over Universe, a show that only you liked and still push to this day long after everyone already forgotten about it, a swear up and down that it wasn't a flop based on nothing.
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>>19261852
>Can you legit fucking kill yourself?
See, that's how everybody can tell what kind of disgusting troll you are.
Fuck off back to tumblr if you want to hate on Nagai or Universe.
People here actually like those, believe it or not, and your hate is what is destroying these threads.
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What's destroying the fucking thread is you two, or three, I've lost track of you buffoons, keeping arguing. You're both nuisances at this point.
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>>19261883
I'll stop defending Nagai's work once the shitposters stop calling it shit (or worse) and attacking me for merely daring to like it.
Sorry if that's bothering you, but I will not take their insults sitting down.
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>>19261888
Put the damn thread back on track and bring up something new about Honey, anon.
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>>19261895
I regularly do that. And when I have nothing new to post, I definitely prefer to discuss things more positively. Not sure what could be brought up right now that hasn't been discussed. We could talk about some of the more rarely talked about manga, or even about the toku. But that's something most people aren't too willing to talk about (other than that one anon who really loves The Live and posts about it every now and then).

But, hey, now that I say that, why not this:
Anno's version of Honey. What themes does everyone think his retellings revolve around, and how do they compare to the usual ones?
If you ask me, I would say that there is definitely some value in his approach to a more outwardly conflict, where Honey's morality is not beyond reproach and she is shown as more vulnerable in all aspects. I don't think it works that well in the context of the franchise, but in isolation, it does have merit.
Opinions? Or alternative interpretations?
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I swear I can't find a single source in English or Japanese Universe was such a "huge success". We got no numbers reported from anywhere. And there's little to no talk about the show after it ended. I seriously doubt it got anything but a "meh" response from fans.
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>>19262449
>I can't find a single source in English or Japanese Universe was such a "huge success".
Because you're a moron.

>We got no numbers reported from anywhere.
There were no sales numbers publicized because it had an exclusive deal with a reseller that wasn't Oricon. Why the hell do you think something gets exclusive deals?
And how do you think it got maybe the best TV slot one of the biggest channels had to offer?
And how do you think it got an international release in less than a year?

>And there's little to no talk about the show after it ended.
Because you only care about MAL and other rating sites. Fans of the franchise still care about it.

>I seriously doubt it got anything but a "meh" response from fans.
Fans loved it. Just look up the episode threads on both /m/ and /a/ when it aired. Other than for a few trolls who complained about "muh onegai" and "muh nipples", and the one idiot who wanted to see a remake of Re:CH instead, posters were extremely positive.
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>>19263520
Oh gee, another "source = your ass" kind of response.

>There were no sales numbers publicized because it had an exclusive deal with a reseller that wasn't Oricon.
So when it flopped, they didn't need to make a public embarrassment out of themselves. How convenient!

>Why the hell do you think something gets exclusive deals
With a show like Universe, even with tanking ratings they realized they could TRY and cut their loses selling fapbait Bluray extras to Jap and weeb coomers. "Uncut and Unrated" is one of the oldest home media release tricks in the book

>And how do you think it got maybe the best TV slot one of the biggest channels had to offer?
Wow, kudos to these guys for predicting the future. They must have already known the show would be a huge hit because of stuff that happened before it even aired. I didn't know people in the industry had precognitive powers! Probably why they didn't show the numbers, even ratings, since it could start a government conspiracy or something!

>And how do you think it got an international release in less than a year?
Because almost everything does these days? As if international releases mean shit other than a few extra weeb bucks for all parties involved.
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>>19263614
I gave you multiple sources, including these threads here. Yes, MAL hated it, and so did a few of your tumblr celebs. Doesn't matter, as those same people hate the manga and shill Re:CH as the "true Cutie Honey".

>they didn't need to make a public embarrassment out of themselves.
Source = your ass
Again, they had an exclusive deal. For disk sales. In the 2010s. That's pretty impressive, wouldn't you agree? Disks aren't as much of a factor as they used to be. They usually just get compiled as cheaply as possible and thrown on the market. That wasn't the case for these ones. They even had pretty nice extras. And you can bet they sold well to warrant an international release.

>selling fapbait Bluray extras
Except nothing about the BluRay extras was particularly naughty.
>"Uncut and Unrated" is one of the oldest home media release tricks in the book
That wasn't an extra. That was simply the version that was intended to be seen, but couldn't be aired on TV. You don't know much about TV censorship laws, do you?

>They must have already known the show would be a huge hit because of stuff that happened before it even aired.
That's what TV executives and programers do. It's their job to evaluate the stuff they air to best assess when to air it. Nothing that airs on prime time is ever a flop, no matter how hard you want to pretend it is.

>why they didn't show the numbers, even ratings
They don't "show" ratings for anything, as far as I know. Japan isn't as obsessed with ad-revenue as 'Murica is.

>Because almost everything does these days?
You know what didn't? 90% of all anime that eaired that year. Including shit like Devilman Crybaby, which, by the way, was an actual flop as far as disk sales in Japan go. Should have stayed closer to Nagai's original manga, I guess ...
Oh, and of course, the 1973 anime, Flash and Re:CH never got one either. But maybe Shin and Universe's success will help clear the way for them in the long run.
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Why is this no longer a Cutie Honey thread?
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>>19263725
Well, the last time I tried to spark a discussion about something interesting here >>19261932 no one seemed in a mood to reply and instead we got shit like >>19262449 and >>19262529 .
You can tell that certain people try their hardest to force dissent and hate.
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Cutie Honey just appeared in the latest translated chapter of Grendizer Giga.
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>>19263647
>Should have stayed closer to Nagai's original manga
Judging by its style i say its ok it took its own path, the 90's were the best period for that but it only received the few OVA's the covered little parts of the story
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>>19263782
Where can I find raws of Giga?
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>>19265647
No clue, but it is available for purchase in Italian I believe.
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>>19265534
Are we still talking about Crybaby? Because that one was quite recent and not a thing of the 90s.
And the 90s OVAs, while they did their own thing, might be the closest any anime will ever come to the Devilman manga.
The strange thing about Devilman is that no adaptation (anime or toku) ever seems to work out too well. They all are either only scratching the surface, get abandoned midway or completely betray the manga.

The Nagai franchise where experimenting and doing its own thing seems to work best is, in my opinion, Mazinger. I can't even say why that is. Maybe because it was always conceptualized as playground/sandbox thing to have fun in? Maybe because it is more about its general concept than about specific plotlines or character arcs? Either way, if I was a big-name director who wanted to cash in on a Nagai franchise without wanting to commit to his original vision, Mazinger would be my choice.
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>>19265845
The only good Mazinger was Shin, though. Seconded by the original show. The rest is not worth talking about. Infinity was really bad.
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>>19266001
May I ask what you are looking for in a Mazinger anime?
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>>19266817
For it to actually be interesting to watch? Mazinkaiser and SKL are a bore and I can barely remember what infinity was about so forgettable it was.
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>>19266903
>Mazinkaiser and SKL are a bore
But they had "the usual" action scenes, character drama, conflicts, interactions, deaths, and so on.
At least nominally, there's a lot you could have taken interest in.
I myself am not primarily a Mazinger fan, so maybe there's something more specific you are looking for that I am not, and that just isn't there in those adaptations?

You know, like when I watch a Cutie Honey adaptation, I want Panther Claw to be portryed a certain way, and have expectations how Seiji should behave, or expect some implications about morality. Or when I watch Devilman, Ryo and Miki should be a specific kinds of characters and it should support specific themes. And that whenever those not the case, I at least want the alternative to it to be reasonable in the context of the adaptation.
I don't feel that way about anything in Mazinger, which is why it feels much safer to experiment with. Maybe that's different for you? Would ceratinaly be interesting to hear your perpective on that.
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I like Mazinger and Honey, why all the hate now.
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>>19267039
I don't think anyone's actively hating on Mazinger, at least not to the extent someone hated on Cutie Honey 48 hours ago.
The discussion which adaptations have merit is legitimate as long as it's kept level-headed.

And more importantly, the question what fans are looking for in an adaptation is an interesting one. Of course, that's been discussed before, and I remember that for both Honey and Devilman, there wasn't really unanimity. Different people want different things.
In that context, it's also interesting to elicit what kinds of change an adaptation can generally get away with. Of course, that question only makes sense in the first place if everyone refrains from calling the source material shit and accepts that it is and should be the source material for any adaptation.
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>>19267062
I'm fine with adaptations that differ from the source material or even ones that get experimental, for example when it comes to Devilman I've enjoyed the original manga, the OVAs, Crybaby and vs Cyborg 009 all for different reasons but I'm also far from against faithful adaptions although I think those are much harder to do as moving a story from one medium to another always presents difficulties.

I think all of Nagai's work lends itself beautifully to adaptations.
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>>19267233
It's rare to find someone who enjoyed both the OVAs and Crybaby, as they seem to be almost diametrically opposed in what they do and how they do it. Not that that's a bad thing. I wish I was able to enjoy Crybaby as you do.
Interestingly, the parts I have the least problems with in Crybaby are those that had no equivalent in the manga at all. I guess that means that I'm far more okay with adaptations adding stuff than I am with them changing stuff. That would also explain my stance of the different Cutie Honey adaptations.

>I think all of Nagai's work lends itself beautifully to adaptations.
I definitely can agree with that. Must be the combination of revolutionary ideas, thematic depth (and ambiguity) and the simple presentation.
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>>19267233
>I think all of Nagai's work lends itself beautifully to adaptations.
I agree with that. Especially because Nagai is a man of great ideas but terrible execution. Thank God he let let other people take care of it so a turd can be turn into gold.
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>>19267271
>terrible execution
Just because you might not like his style of storytelling, that doesn't mean it's not well executed.
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>>19267306
Is it being extremely half assed and poorly planned a style?
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>>19267787
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. If anything was half assed and poorly planned, it were the anime adaptations that released concurrently to those manga. That nagai himself changed plans for his stories midway is known, but that doesn't mean they weren't planned well. All authors do that.
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>>19267795
I wonder why I should bother reading so much shit when he doesn't even bother giving them proper conclusions.
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>>19267859
What the hell gave you the idea that his manga don't have proper conclusions? Let me take a guess: MAL told you so, right? And you've never read one of his manga?
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>>19267865
I was never on MAL or tumblr you autistic fuck. Don't include me in your personal crusade against those sites, I don't give a shit about them. And I don't care about their opinions. I have my own and don't need you, MAL or tumblr to tell me what to think. That's right, you're not special, you're just as shit and ignorant as them.
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>>19267887
And yet, you spout their lies here. Interesting.
Wanna explain how Cutie Honey's ending is not a proper conclusion?
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>>19267916
The only liar here is you lying to yourself. Why do you even care about what other people think? So what if they hate Nagai? So what if they hate the Honey manga? What's up with this necessity to argue in favor of it using nonsensical arguments and made up facts? Why engage in such discussions if you're so convinced you're right about everything? No one want to have a serious Honey discussion with you because you're clearly a nutcase.
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>>19267996
So you cannot explain how the ending isn't a proper conclusion, I take it?
You know, you could have just dropped this, but it seems really had to speak up and demonstrate your ignorance, thereby destroying the last bit of dignity you had left.
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>>19268036
Nah, even if I tried to argue about it you would dismiss anything I say with incoherent babble like "Nothing that airs prime time is ever a flop". Everything you say is so absurd and stupid I don't know how can you take yourself seriously.
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I would love some more Honey crossovers. I'm thinking Cyborg 009, Bubblegum Crisis and why not, Sailor Moon.
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>>19268122
009-1 would be neat
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>>19268068
In other words, you know that any argument you could make is complete bullshit.
That's to be expected from a troll like you who thinks that hating on an author and his work is more constructive than defending him, in a thread about his work.
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>>19268175
>in a thread about his work.
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought this was a Cutie Honey thread? And, and what's this? Is it about which one is YOUR favorite Cutie Honey series? And only a small fraction of this media franchise is made by said author? If I go to /co/ and make a thread asking people what's their favorite version of Batman, that means the thread is about Bob Kane's work?
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>>19268338
You're the shithead thinking that it's a good idea to hate on Nagai in a Cutie Honey thread and then scream at those who defend him like the maniac you are.
And, no, asking you what your favourite is does not mean you get to insult everyone whose favourite might be a different one, psychopath. Who do you think you are that you can tell others what they aren't allowed to like?

Oh, and by the way: Nagai is still the one owning the property and his company co-produces every single piece of Cutie Honey that's made nowadays.
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Has Flash gotten proper subs yet?
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>>19268559
Yes. They finished a little over a year ago.
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>>19268498
>shithead
>maniac
>psychopath
>Who do you think you are that you can tell others what they aren't allowed to like?
Projecting a bit too much here, don't you think? Seek a therapist, you need help, dude.
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>>19268559
Yep. And it's pretty good. Give it a watch.
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>>19268650
>you need help
says the troll who instigates bullshit like this in a thread about Cutie Honey with his hate for Cutie Honey.
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>>19254904
based.
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>>19271219
Who is this ho?
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There's no such thing as a good Cutie Honey series. I've seen them all and it's all garbage.
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>>19271587
Asuka Ran, obviously
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>>19272694
It's obviously Honey disguised as Asuka Ran.
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>>19271920
>when you didn't get into shin
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>>19271920
>perfect women don't ex-
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Finishing up New Getter Robo but currently downloading Flash and '73. which should i start with? Flash looks fun love 90's animation but '73 is the classic one

also downloading dirty pair too
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>>19274093
73 is really short, go for that. Then watch whatever order.
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>>19274163
No, then watch Flash after 73. Dirty Pair last.
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>>19274093
>>19274163
>>19274417
And avoid Universe like the plague.
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>>19275184
Shut up, troll.
At least let people form their own opinions.
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>>19275215
So he should watch it after everything else so he can appreciate how bad it is. Re is crap too but at least it had a decent budget.
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>>19275227
Believe it or not, most people really enjoyed Universe. Not everyone has a taste as bad as yours.
I find it astounding how obsessed you are with it though. Even when someone asks a completely unrelated question, you bring it up as if your irrational hatred contributed anything to the discussion.
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>>19275247
Are you the guy who keeps bringing it up because Tarantula is your waifu?
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>>19275261
I don't keep bringing it up, moron.
You brought it up.
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>>19275263
So it is you, you're that autist!
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>>19275288
Please fuck off already.
The only reason you hate on Universe, the manga and Nagai is to bait people into arguing with you.
If anyone here is an autist, it's you.
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>>19274093
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>>19275294
Sorry, your waifu can't save Universe from being irredeemable garbage.
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>>19273377
Posting another Jill cel.
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>>19275450
Definitely works. But I have to ask: How many of us have actually experienced the franchise that way? If you were born after 1980, there's a good chance that the first Cutie Honey you stumbled upon was not the first 1973 anime or manga. And no matter what you start with, it works relatively well. There is no overarching continuity afterall.
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>>19275517
Imagine being born after 1980
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>>19275517
If my first experience was the manga, I would not have bothered with the rest.
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>>19275680
Shut up already.
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>>19277420
It scares me that she was psychic even so early on as pre-birth . Imagine her poor dad knowing he's fathered the first of a possible future race of terrifying telepathic super-humans.
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>>19277887
Don't know which is the bigger accomplishment, super psychic humans or a super-advanced android.
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>>19278373
How about a super psychic android?
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>>19275517
As a Cutie Honey newfag, I can address this, having watched/read everything in production order with the exception of Tears, The Live, '90, '21, and the Devilman Lady spinoff, which I read whenever I felt like instead. Sure, it doesn't really matter if you watch Re before Shin or anything, but you might as well stick with production order to see how the franchise grew over the decades.
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>>19278570
Interesting. Did you start with the manga or the anime? And which one ended up being your favourite iteration and for what reason? Anything you across the different installments that you enjoyed in particular, like maybe a recurring character or a theme that evolved from one series to another?
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>>19278633
Manga. I came to Cutie Honey because I was reading all of Go Nagai's manga and for some reason or another, I decided to watch '73, which hooked me onto the rest. I don't want to start anything, because I know it's a touchy issue in these threads, but I honestly thought the manga was quite weak for a Nagai work of that time. And since I also disliked '90 and '21, I think I simply don't like his particular handling of the character and scenario.

My twin favorites are Flash and '73. I love the bright colors and classic animation of '73. It handled the campy MOWs quite well and the music is among my favorite out of any anime. The OP is fabulous and the ED is actually my favorite ED out of everything I've watched. I loved all the Shoujo trappings in Flash because deep down I am a sixteen year old girl waiting for my own prince, I guess. Flash's Sister Jill is easily the best, no competition. And it has some very interesting MOWs, in addition to characters like Spud and Freddy Claw. Its iteration of Honey is my waifu because she's so vulnerable and sweet.

I dislike Re. I think it's a complete waste of time. I liked the campy factor of the corresponding movie. Although I, in general, hated how Anno handled Honey.

Shin felt like it would turn into a hentai at any moment, but it had some nice moments.

I liked Universe and what it did with the manga material, especially with Honey's PTSD. But I didn't like the animation at all.

The Live is way better than it has any right to be.
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>>19278664
No worries about voicing your opinion on the manga as long as you do it respectfully, anon. The main problem with the troll in here is that he claims his opinions as fact, not that he confesses to dislike it personally.

It seems to me that you are very much into the Honey character and character expoloration. And you do like the more lighthearted aspects (as pretty much everyone does). That does explain why you disliked Re:CH, and while I agree with you that Anno didn't handle Honey (and other characters) well, I do suggest trying to look at it as if it wasn't a Cutie Honey anime and not hold the characters and themes to the same standard. That way, you should be able to extract a few interesting aspects from it at least. It is a solid, fun, anime, apart from nominally being a Cutie Honey.

As you mentioned The Live, where I think the co-cast outshines Honey, and you do seem to focus very much on the latter, what do you think about how she was handled there, as well as the other characters?

Oh, and another thing; over what span of time did you read and watch all of them? Was it more of a binging experience or did you take your time? And would you change your approach retroactively if you could?
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>>19278688
Well, if I take the Honey out of Re, I still don't like it. I don't care for that frantic style in general. Also, it was the only time in my life that I thought "this is too much fanservice." But that's how Gainax was at that particular time.

Honey was the worst part about The Live, no doubt. She followed the Anno formula, but if anything was worse. Fortunately, the rest of the cast buoyed it up. I like the weirdo version of Panther Claw in it, although I think the lesbian was a bit weak. Mikki was, of course, best girl. It had an excellent Seiji, probably the best. And shoutout to my man Duke Seyer Anthony Watari the Fourth.

I ingested all this media over a period of about a year, give or take a month. I would change nothing. The fact is, when I started watching, Flash's subs still weren't finished, so I was limited in that regard. I guess if I had to do it over again, I would watch the Flash movie at the appropriate time and not after finishing the series, but I didn't know when to watch it at the time.
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>>19278740
Gotta love how you call Honey being a total airhead the "Anno formula". You're not wrong though.
Definitely agree with you on Miki. But I didn't really like The Live's Panther Claw. They seemed too much like a group of Sentai villains, with a few generals who might be illustrous, but also have very little symbolic meaning or thematic coherence.
The Live is a strange beast.

A year for the whole franchise does seem sensible. Spacing things out too much can ruin the experience, as can binging too many episodes at once. 1974 works much better in a relatively quick succession; rewaching it one episode per week (the way it aired) I noticed that some of the second half tends to drag on a bit too much. On the other hand, Flash works a bit better with a bit of space between the episodes, maybe because of its similarities to Sailor Moon's formula.
Shin and Universe can work either way, though binging them can be a bit of an emotional rollercoaster. Re:CH, I think, only works if you binge it.
And, well, the manga are all pretty quick to read, so the question doesn't come up here.
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Is there something wrong with me I want Honey to pin me down and pepper me with lipstick kisses while calling me cute bros?
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>>19279236
Well ... are you cute?





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