Do you think Amuro would have survived the first battle in a Scopedog?
>>18779340Yes because plot armor.
>>18779340Zaku would stomp him in seconds
Depends on a lot, but I'd assume no.
The only reason why Char didn't kill him in their first encounter was because at the time a Zaku's weapons couldn't even put a scratch on the Gundam , Amuro in a regular ass mobile suit would have been killed in seconds.
>>18779340Absolutely murdered by the Zaku grunts that found him. Amuro was hard carried by the Gundam plot armor for at least a third of the show before PTSD newtype growth made him start to catch up and surpass the Gundam.
>>18779340Against the grunts, unlikely.Against Char, never.
>>18779343This. If you removed his plot armor though he'd be toast. Scopedogs explode if you look at them wrong, against a zaku there's no chance.
>>18779695Amuro was catching Char's allies and killing them before they could hit him by episode 3 or 4, and Char himself was the only one that really challenged him after that point until Ral came along. He wasn't getting tagged much by most grunts after the first few episodes.
>>18779349this, Scopedog have shit armour
>>18779936Yes, but the Scopedog has neither the firepower to annihilate Zakus in a single shot nor the mobility to not get hit. If Amuro isn't picking off enemies right away then the fights are going to take longer and enemies are going to keep chasing and attacking. And even Chirico never escaped being hit by gunfire, so Amuro's going to get hit here and there by rapid fire 120mm bullets that are the size of his leg.
>>18779340The real question is whether Kiriko could survive an encounter with a Zaku in his Scopedog?
>>18779340You know the size difference between a zaku and a scopedog right?
>>18780126Size doesn't matter.That's what Fraw said.
>>18779340Amuro only survived early on because the Gundam is made of plot armor while Scopedogs explode if you look at them funny.
>>18779340An irrelevant question because if the Federation's top secret response to the Zaku was the scopedog then they were doomed anyways. Honestly, even the Ball is probably more effective than the scopedog at least for space combat.
>>18779936Don't forget that the Gundam had the self learning computer taking care of fine details of piloting early on. Plot armor doesn't have to mean just literal armor.
>>18780019Yes. Was there ever any doubt? The man is closer to god that any UC character will ever be.
Would Chirico beat the asteroid base in his first battle if he had the RX-78?
>>18781198Keep in mind he never used it, has only 16 shots with the rifle, and it's likely too big for the damn asteroid.Alongside the scopedog with that energy bazooka
>>18781198 he could probably do it with just the vulcans
>>18779340would the zaku be Scopedog size? or bigger?
So MS sized scopedog? I'd be inclined to treat it like a really lightly armored but high mobility GM or something. Can skate on land and perform hit and run attacks with its machine gun, but otherwise pretty limited.
>>18780014If you put Amuro in a unit that is tiny compared to his opponents and notably worse than his opponents in pretty much every single way during his first encounter, then yeah, he'll definitely lose and almost certainly die. I wasn't commenting on that though; I was commenting on the idea that Gundam carried him completely for even a third of the show, because within a few episodes he's already starting to outpace everyone around him bar Char and killing most mooks without taking a hit. He starts improving even more around Ral, but he's already visibly improving way before that and even characters in the show comment on it. Including the idea >>18780875 presents, that it was really just the learning computer at work, because when Amuro attributes his success to the learning computer in the one scene it's mentioned during the entire show, Ryu immediately dismisses the idea as Amuro being modest. We also know from a scene in episode 47 when the White Base is just after arriving on Earth that Amuro has put in dozens of hours of training and practice in only the few days it's taken them to get there, which is probably why he improved so much so fast.
>>18783271> episode 47Episode 7 even. Have a WebM of the scene where the learning computer is brought up, rather than just me posting to correct my mistake.
>>18783328I think it's a mixture of both, Amuro had pretty low confidence early on, if I recall, so I definitely think the learning computer carried him.For handling the grunts so easily, we can probably attribute that to Zeon's soldiers being fast-deployed, poorly trained, and over-confident. Remember that their only real opponents up to this point were Balls and ships, they probably underestimated the Gundam(Something that Char even did at first). Although it's been years since I watched 0079 so whatdafukdoiknow.
>>18780019He probably would to be honest; if he survived a fucking space station that fell from orbit in SH, I'd say he'd find a bullshit way to destroy the zaku with either his scopedog or his sidearm
>>18783271>I was commenting on the idea that Gundam carried him completely for even a third of the show, because within a few episodes he's already starting to outpace everyone around him bar Char and killing most mooks without taking a hit.Yeah but half the reason he can do that is because the Gundam is way superior to the Zaku's in speed and firepower so the average Zeon pilot stood no chance against him.
>>18783916Wasn't it the bullet ricochet the biggest asspull in SH?
>>18783328Jesus, the DNR in that clip...
no posted gundam micro wars!? what happened /m/ you were cool?
>>18784916For fucking real anon,at that point why doesn't chirico just hit a fucking casino if he's got luck like that
>>18787706It's not like he needs money, and his luck only applies to surviving deadly attacks and attempts on his life, nothing else
>>18787812I know, but still though just imagine, plus since he's an overman we still haven't considered his regeneration of wounds
>>18780019He'd survive but he wouldn't win.
>>18780019Chirico literally has bullshit luck as a superpower
>>18779340Absolutely not, they're tiny, have terrible armor against anything above anti-infantry weapons, and run on fucking super napalm.
>>18779340No-one survives a battle in a Scopedog. A Scopedog gives you a negative survival rate. Chihiro gets shot out of them on a regular basis. You could wrap yourself in cardboard, strap firecrackers to your balls, and you'd have higher chance of surviving compared to piloting a Scopedog.
>>18779340No, the RX 78 basically carried him in his first few battles.
>>18783720Balls were only developed and deployed late in the war, around the same time the Gundam was. It was ships like the Saberfish up to that point.>>18784598I don't think it was. Here's one of Amuro's kills from episode 4 for instance, and I really don't see how the Gundam's superior reflexes or firepower helped in this one. It'd have been just as lethal with a Zaku or Gouf heat weapon, as it was with the Gundam's beam saber and is really just down to Amuro having better situational awareness and reflexes and not the Gundam doing so.
>>18790310You also have scenes like this from episode 10, where Amuro is just better at evading his enemies, anticipating them and taking advantage of them. Which is something he's been doing since nearly the start, since he was the one to suggest they approach Gadem's convoy from in front of the sun so they'd be harder to see to Ryu, despite the fact Ryu is the trained pilot. The Gundam definitely helped, but Amuro was starting to improve almost as soon as he got in the Gundam, which again, is probably just down the sheer amount of practice and training he did on the Gundam, it's computer etc. as well as just some natural talent for it.
>>18779340How would Mellowlink do inside a Gundam?
>>18790487good like MS igloo
Newtypes are faggots, not even Kamille would go very far in a Scopedog
you underestimate Nu-Scopedog
>>18790310Balls were deployed in June of 0079(Halfway into the One Year War), The RX-78-2 was first discovered in September of 0079.
>>18788319I will now watch Armored Trooper Votoms
>>18781198>>18781201>>18781383what if instead he had 3-5 tachikomas from the Ghost in the Shell series? and section 9 had scopedogs?
>>18779340For some reason I though this was about Ideon
>>18784916No, the space station fall was more absurd.
>>18790310No, itwouldn't because animation errors aside you don't have solid weapons just materialize. Also armor actually helps against heat weapons. A saber that long wouldn't be able to be drawn that way, either.
>>18801701> Animation errors asideGood to see we have an authority on the animation in 0079 here.> Also armor actually helps against heat weaponsLuna titanium was the best armour in the the One Year War, and it didn't do squat against heat weapons any time it was hit by some in 0079. Or 0080 for that matter. I can't recall if there was any instance of it 08th MS Team to comment on it's depiction, if it had any.> A saber that long wouldn't be able to be drawn that way, either.So? Amuro doesn't have to be able to draw it exactly the same way for it to be equivalent.
>>18779340>would an untrained pilot in a ground unit with swiss cheese armor and no 0G equipment defend himself against a stone-cold seasoned ace with a proper weapons loudout?Fuck no
>>18801888>Luna titanium was the best armour in the the One Year War, and it didn't do squat against heat weapons any time it was hit by some in 0079. Or 0080 for that matter. I can't recall if there was any instance of it 08th MS Team to comment on it's depiction, if it had any.Norris' heat sword fails to do too much despite repeatedly hitting the EZ8's left arm, but that was obviously because the battery was dead and it couldn't heat up. There's another moment in the show where Norris jumps out of the woodwork to surprise Shiro with a heat hawk, but only manages to cut into but not through the Ground Gundam's shield.
>>18779340No, not really. Scopedog just can't hang with stuff from Gundam. But I'd love to see how Amuro would adapt to VOTOMS' world.
>>18804026I'd assume that's because it's a shield, and the shield is treated in some way. When Char does the same thing with the Gundam's shield, he cuts into it without any problems.
>>18790321Anon it's most likely due to how that he's a newtype on top of the learning computer as well; the training times he has lacks in comparison to the average soldier- remember the webm you posted earlier? It's not just humility- char's deleted affair and crossbone shows the affect one has when you have the battle data of amuro ray.
>>18806202He didn't awaken as a Newtype until the early 20s, and there were no hints of it in his performance prior to that point. You might as well say the reason Char was such a good pilot was because he was Newtype and not because of any training, skill or experience.
>>18806210Then how did he get so good with such a lack of training as shown by one of your webms?
>>18806232> lack of trainingI wouldn't call literal days worth of training inside of a week or so a "lack of training" anon. Put that on top of really intense experience fighting several times during that period, innate talent and good mechanical sense on top of simplified controls that made working the unit more intuitive and you have more than enough reason for a story.
>>18806248but the solider says that he has "little training" with his combat->inside a week or soOh shit you're right, 55 MS hours IN A WEEK is batshit
>>18806268That's in episode 7, just after they arrive on Earth and going from Side 7 to Earth took about a week according to various databooks. The anime doesn't give an exact time frame, but it's obviously only a few days even in the animation.
>>18806276if it's 105 days of war (if this website is right) then that means there was 15 weeks that amuro was in service- 15 times the 55 hours of combat, like in the example you said, means 825 hours of combat all in all.https://www.dyarstraights.com/gundam-test/universal-century-master-timeline/#UC_0079
>>18806330He didn't have 55 hours of combat; he had 55 hours of training. Only 2 hours of it was combat, the rest was either training in the core fighter or Gundam or simulation on the White Base's simulators.
>>18806334that means 53 hours of training- if he keeps that up, then that adds up to 795 hours.
>>18779340If what we know about how targeting computers in gundam work, the zakus might miss because the computers work off of visual silhouettes, and a smaller "Mobile suit" would appear further away to the computer. Someone like char could probably make adjustments on the fly, but probably not the slender denim jeans.
>>18806337We don't know that he kept it up all through the war/show, but he was certainly doing a lot of training on things like getting the time to combine down as low as possible during the first half of the show and there's stock footage of him practising that in particular during several episodes on the trot around the episode 20 mark. The White Base saw a lot of combat in quick succession throughout the first 30 or so episodes before they get to Jaburo, and gets a little more breathing room between encounters after that so he may have relaxed on the training a bit by then too given that he was already so experienced and starting to awaken as a Newtype by then (even if he wouldn't recognize it for another half a dozen or so episodes).