is this the black sheep of UC Gundam?
>>18775478No, that's G Saviour.
>>18775495is G-Saviour even canon?
>>18775500It's not -not- canon. It kind of just exists in its own vacuum because it takes place so far out into UC.
>>18775478Late UC is a black sheep in general because nothing in it really took off except for Crossbone, and that's relative because it's still only a manga. Victory Gundam has some really good shots, but half of them got ripped off by Evangelion so you could just view them there. It also has some good robot fights where Tomino shows off his directing skills, but the animation isn't as good as ZZ, CCA, or F91, where you can also see this. Mech and ship designs are interesting and, well, unique. It's the plot and characters that really drag this one down.
>>18775520I really wish we had more late UC stuff. Come one sunrise flesh out this part of the timeline instead of cramming as much as you possibly can into the Zeon conflicts.
>>18775520>Mech and ship designs are interesting and, well, unique.>uniqueThat is a very nice way of putting it.
>>18776805ThisA disbanding federation, many small militias appearing, different approaches to newtype technologies emerging, Jupiter forces, and a high tech level that could really be pushed farIt's an untapped gold-mine potential wise, yet people keep trying to force all of this shit into OYW side spin-off mangas/MSVR's that simply don't work well with it
>>18776944honestly that actually looks kinda cool, but then again my favorite mecha is the Hygogg from 0080 so I'm probably autistic to an unspecified degree
>>18775478Absolutely. That's why nips couldn't care less about late UC.
>>18775520>Victory Gundam has some really good shots, but half of them got ripped off by EvangelionCan you provide examples?
>>18775478hathaway isn't out yet
>>18777113Wings of Light, episode 39
Victory Gundam is so weird. It feels relatively dark and out of tone compared to the rest of the UC.
>>18777397What a retard. It was obvious you were just saying some dumb shit.
>>18776805Does it need fleshing out? Isn't part of the point with F91 and Victory that it's been a long time since there has been a conflict?
>>18777903I was a little surprised when I read Crossbone. I went into it expecting it to finish the story of F91, only to find that it is actually about a war 10 years later.Kind of like watching the first Original Series compliation movie then skipping straight to Zeta.
>>18777512>It feels relatively dark and out of tone compared to the rest of the UC.It didn't feel significantly darker than Zeta to me.
>>18775478thats clearly a bird of somesort
>>18775520The thing is Tomino had larger plans for late U.C because F91 was originally going to be a full 52 episodes but 1 movie and Victory (which was supposed to end the franchise and recycled most ideas from F91) made late U.C forgotten for the most part
>>18778117And at the very least it has a far more optimistic ending. I swear all the complaints about Victory being too dark/edgy are by people who haven't even watched the showm
>>18775520>except for Crossbone
>>18777397Thanks. Gonna go rewatch now.
>>18775500Saying that G-Saviour is not canon would imply that they acknowledge its existence as part of the Gundam franchise.On the other hand, I want model kits of this movie/game. The Mobile Suits are so fucking sexy.I want a fucking HGUC MW-Raid
>>18778117>>18779034I don't know. >Uso being 13 and a trained soldier by his parents>Public execution>There's some weird uncanny stuff like Marbet's wedding imo. >One of the main villain gets exiled in space>Uso and the kids are living alone with hardly any adult guidance>The deaths of the Shrike team early on>Earth team aren't actual jerks this time and their deaths hit hard.The setting also felt heavier and more..homely? The tone just felt off compared to the other UC shows. I'm not too sure how to explain it. It felt like more of a rebellion story compared to a space war story like the others. If that makes sense. I guess it's more of they were more of an underdogs while the AEUG and stuff were pretty well off and could handle the titans. I'm not a critic so my apologies for not being good with my words.
>>18776972All of that is only something to expand on if the people creating said speculative late UC series build off of the stuff in Crossbone. Which they may not, since it's still just a manga, even if it's a relatively popular one.
>>18781199I wouldn't mind if they did something new in the late UC other than Crossbone, but given that every new UC show since Unicorn has been an adaptation of a pre-existing I doubt that'll happen.
>>18780307Feels like classic Tomino Gundam to me.Anyway, I really wish they had expanded on late UC, I'm still hoping they'll go back and expand F91 into a series one day and make an anime adaption of Crossbones.I just get really tired of retreading the OYW and having Feds Vs Zeon all the time. It's probably why I love Victory Gundam so much and find F91 interesting.
>>18780084>Saying that G-Saviour is not canon would imply that they acknowledge its existence as part of the Gundam franchise.Build Fighters would like a word with you.
>>18777113https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1tLwAjS1v8I really like this scene where everyone from the Shrike team helps out Uso in a newtype way.
>>18781279It felt really experimental to me.
I recall Victory Gundam having the most hype finale out of all the Gundam shows I watched, and the ending with blind katejina really shocked me for some reason
>>18775520It keep getting weirder and weirder.
Side 3 turned into the Principality of Zeon.Side 4 became Cosmos Babylonia.Side 2 gave rise to the Zanscare Empire.How long until the other sides start some shit?
>>18778117>>18779034When I started the UC marathon back in 2009 Zeta is my favourite gundam show back then. The ending make me feel kinda depressed abit seing Kamille preparing his body in a suicide attack to finish off Pappy.When I finally landed on V, I have to admit the first 4 episode made me confused abit but the whole theme of the show is quite dark and unlike Zeta where I feel depressed near the end of the show, In V i felt halfway trough peak moment when Usso Witnessing his mum got decapitated up until the Katejina scene at the end.Also the whole Earth is fucked up and the Federation are actually doing something and almost everyone on Earth are in a last stand moment to face off the "great evil" is a pretty dark theme to begin with. The whole desperation and self sacrifice in the show make the show quite dark to me compare to zeta Although I have to admit some of the self sacrifice and death in V is kinda forced but still
>>18785298>How long until the other sides start some shit?The early days of the Zanscare War alot of the colonies are on each other shit, hence the whole "Age of warring space states" the only one came out top was the Zanscare while the others that held a degree of independence are the Macedonia Colony. Can't remember which side they came from.
>>18775478>is this the black sheep of UC Gundam?if it's not zeon sunrise hacks don't now what to do with them, hell late UC has fucking zeon remnants still a threat not as a joke..
Wouldn't that be ZZ?
>>18776944God I fucking love the Zanscare Empire, everything they make is just so dumb but still effective.
>>18785346But ZZ is good... plus, Unicorn is basically a sequel OVA of ZZ.
>>18785320I thought the whole "Age of Warring Space States" thing was post Victory, not pre-Victory? That it happened when the Federation finally collapses, and couldn't maintain even the fiction of order, leading to all the Sides scrambling for supremacy.
>>18785844Black sheep doesn't mean bad. But unicorn was pretty bad.
>>18785932It doesn't necessarily mean bad, but it can it normally is used to imply something negative rather than just something odd or different to the rest.
>>18785932>>18785945Isn't Black Sheep usually used to call something being "just there" like it doesn't get much recognition or attention?
>>18786047No it's something that's very different from the rest. Like g gundam compared to the other AUs or touhou 1 compared to the rest of the series.
>>18781279Yes. Please Sunrise, finish F91.
is gundam the black sheep of mecha animes?
In the name of love, get out the guilotines.
>>18775520>Victory Gundam has some really good shots, but half of them got ripped off by Evangelion so you could just view them there.Tominofags are braindead>hurr durr it has halos so Evangelion ripped it off!
>>18789667Anno really liked Victory, and he has Stand up to the Victory on his commute playlist. Call it a homage if you like.https://wavemotioncannon.com/2016/11/08/interview-hideaki-anno-vs-yoshiyuki-tomino-animage-071994/https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-12-13/what-hideaki-anno-commute-playlist-over-an-hour-of-anisongs/.125142
>>18788442It's too late, they don't have the skill for it now. Be glad that what exists is good.
>>18785891Zanscare was just the strongest faction in the shitstorm that's implied to still be going on at the end of Victory. Then it keeps getting worse.
>>18775478I'm surprised Uso and the V2 haven't shown up in Dust. Then again, things have decayed so much by then they'd pretty much break the setting.
>>18783534Fun fact: The core of the Anchor is a heavily retooled and patched up F90.
>>18783534Not talking about you anon but a lot of brain dead retards really think that Crossbone won't get animated because of the designs and it's really hilarious how someone can be that retarded, of fucking course they'll clean up the designs, do you really think they'll animate a million feet tall joker MS?
>>18785932>But unicorn was pretty bad.>heEheEhEEhEHEH do i le fit in yet gays.?..?No, you don't, you sad sack of shit.
>>18789737The man has good taste, I'll give him that.
>>18789737I don't like his works, but his taste in music is good
>>18791072fuck you faggot hated that garbage shit.
>>18789644she got my vote
>>18791144>>18791828it paid off, if wikipedia is to be believed
>>18792183>Pachinko Sales - 11.9 billion
>>18792237and it ain't even the highest one
We're gonna get a thread like this every week about a different Gundam series until someone makes a thread saying "derrrr is the 1979 Gundam the black sheep of the franchise?!?!!"
I don’t think so when g savior and f91 exist. I would, however, put it in a trinity of “least popular/grey and boack sheep’s of uc” along side the two I just mentioned.
>>18792733name another gundam that came out in the 70s I'll wait0079 is the true black sheep
>>18783534I should note that it became apparent that the Phantom V2 was actually a downgrade of the Ghost Gundam.Here's it's true successor, the Blanc Phantom
>>18792866It's Phantom Light Mode
>>18792866It also got a mass production model as well
>>18792870All ready for take off.
>>18792866So humanity has evolved in to furry's by the time of ghost? Is that what a Newtype is by then? Cause that girl has a snout.
>>18792866Why does Tobia have tits and ass?Crossbone is garbage, and Yuichi Hasegawa is a fucking garbage artist. How the fuck does he gets paid to draw manga, while also ruining Gundam?
>>18792866>>18792869>>18792870>>18792872complete line of Phantoms
>>18792928I remember back when I hated Phantom.I saw at as one of those "Unknown MS that did a version of a much more famous animated Gundam's gimmick before it did" that pop up every once in a while.I blame VS. for finally making me give it a chance and now I really like it.
>>18793344I don't hate the Phantom line or Hasegawa for making a mobile suit that predates/succeeds the V2 with their own Wings of Light, or even for trying to make it's versions look cooler; that's the purpose of the designs after all, including the animated stuff. The Zeta was designed to build on the RX-78-2 and/or Mk II and be cooler than them, the ZZ on top of that etc. etc. What I hate is that it took the V2's Minovsky drive gimmick and made it a super power in the setting in a way that doesn't really gel with anything else before or after it (presuming you think of G-Saviour and/or Gaia Gear as after it), by making the Minovsky drive not just an engine that allowed flight through a ramjet like engine, but something that was capable of near light speed.
>>18793370Granted, the V2 remained the most capable when it comes to WoL technology; the only machine that came close to it were the F99 record Breaker.The rest suffers from overheating due to feature bloat from the I-Field, some of them have their own methods of cooling for extend use of the drive (like pic related, which can use the phantom light for up to an HOUR).
>>18792866Who's that qt
>>18793389>Granted, the V2 remained the most capable when it comes to WoL technology; the only machine that came close to it were the F99 record Breaker.Actually the Zanspine was on the same level as the V2 in terms of it's WoL capability, with added functionality as removable beam fans.
>>18791251fite me feddie scrub
>>18793738>Beam Wires>Funnels>Three Wings of Light with two that double as melee weaponsI want to play this thing in VS
>>18794179Shame that it's a SD generation exclusive.
>>18794179G-Gen games place it weaker than the V2.
>>18797332In the actual games, like stat wise? Every source I read about it says it's stronger than the base V2 by virtue of the equipment it has built in.
>>18781872That was a good thread. S1 Build Fighters was fun.
>>18785340Basically this. Cosmo Babylonia, Jupiter Empire, Zanscare Empire... all these were basically Zeon in everything but name. While we've always had Zeon counterparts in other Gundam series, it's really noticeable in the late UC era because it's where the original Zeon existed.
>>18791072But it was bad.
is Ghost and Dust translated yet?
>>18799584Nope, stopped at volume 2 because the translator didn't even like Crossbone.Anyone could just buy it and try their luck, the volumes are still available in Japan, but no one has bothered.
>>18799584more importantly has anyone translated the side story with Judeau and his Gump?