Ace Combat Thread
>>17211560I was replaying the AC2 3DS remake and noticed ZOE likes to go for head to head gun fights in that game too, I guess the Belkans never got it to unlearn its poor tactics.
Fine, I confess my crime of shipping Trigger with Avril, now shoot me firing squad.
>>17212403No, you're going into solitary
Might as well make this the plane thread too. Does anyone know what pic related is? Obviously an F-15 variant, but it looks so glossy and the intakes are different. Is this the F-15X ?>>17212403>shipping Trigger with anyone but his planeTrigger wouldn't even give grease monkey the time of the day, he's like the MC from Yukikaze. Doesn't care if he goes to jail since he can still pilot a plane.
Shipping Trigger with a Su-57, get cucked Raptor
>>17212403>not shipping avril and cosette
>>17212464At least Rei could form coherent sentences, unlike Trigger. Must've been an interesting court martial if the defendant wasn't capable of answering the questions.
>>17212492Isn't she like 14?
>>17212499I just imagine an F-22 in front of the court>Did you shoot Harling?>*opens and closes weapons bay doors*>Are you an Erusean agent?>*flashes signal lights*
>>17212520>why did you kill Harling?>autocannon spins, fortunately no ammunition was loaded
>>17212464>Might as well make this the plane thread too. Does anyone know what pic related is? Obviously an F-15 variant, but it looks so glossy and the intakes are different. Is this the F-15X ?My assumption would be that yes it's a 15X but that's only because it was the main picture on the drive article about the 15X getting the go ahead for production. Dunno why it's in gloss coat, looks cool though.
Quick note, Italy exists in Strangereal Out of all the real-world nations, they chose ITALY to be the one that crosses over
What are the chances AC8 will take place near to or even in the Eclectroshere era?
>>17212590And strangely enough Singapore has its Strangereal equivalent being Selatapura with the city being pretty much a clone of the real city down to the layout of the central area.
>get A>not S on Hard/Acesit's just not fair
>>17212403I want to KISS Avril's sweaty belly button!
>>17212649Accelerate.Missiles can't catch you if you simply go faster.
>>17212662I'll be honest. If I was there, I would not be able to hold myself back from putting my finger in her bellybutton.
I finally got my hands on a PSVR, AC7 alone has made me feel justified with my purchase. I don't know if I can ever go back to playing AC normally ever again.>>17212590Fug I didn't even think about thatIt's like the Korean BBQ in FF7
>>17212662i was about to post what you said verbatim but then i read ur post :(yes it's a very cute belly button anon
>>17212590Does that mean the legends about King Arthur, Excalibur, and the knights of the round table all come from Belka? Because that's kinda weird. On the other hand there's something named Stonehenge a continent away so who knows.
>>17212605Should also note that historical Singapore was called Singapura at one point, and selata is a word from one of the languages prevalent there.It should also be noted that Singapore is considered one of the potential locations to build a space elevator once materials become available due to how close it is to the equator. It's also friendly with the US and plays host regularly to Aircraft carriers that patrol the region, so that's also an Arsenal Bird tie in?
>>17212590Maybe a cook from a parallel world accidentally opened a restaurant that can link to different worlds?
>>17212728>King Arthur, Excalibur, and the knights of the round table>StonehengeThose are cultural things. Strangereal has ALWAYS had the same culture as our Earth. The names of the nations are different though, which is why "Italian" is so much more jarring than "King Arthur"
>>17212782Explain why they call their language English then?
>>17212789Show me the word "English" being used in-canon
>>1721250818, according to the wiki.
>>17212782>Arthur--king of the Britons--is a cultural thingu wot m8
>>17212778>"Jesus Christ, you're telling me you people have modern war almost every other year?....... Well, tell me, have you had Spaghetti yet?"
>>17212824What would you describe him as if not cultural? If anything, he's more of a French invention than a British one.
>>17212778>restaurant isekai except the customers are various Ace Combat characters
>>17212832I swear there was just a restaurant isekai series because everyone's jumping on this fucking genre.Maybe anime was a mistake after all.
>>17212832>Yellow 13 and Mobius 1 sharing a table eating pasta>Pixy and Cipher silently drinking at the bar>Mihaly watching his granddaughters enjoying a kids meal while eyeballing Trigger eating a subway at the next table>Tally on the walls indicating all planes shot down by Aces who eat there, with one corner having tallies reaching from the floor up to the ceiling.
>>17212855If there's ever been a series that deserves a Build Divers' "Heaven for the rest of the franchise" setting, it's Ace Combat
>>17212837Yeah, it's called Isekai Izakaya "Nobu"
>>17212889That's just a shitty japanese food shilling anime though. If you want something with more plot and stories that bring hero characters from around the other world together and their interactions, look up Isekai Shokudou. >The demon lord, the hero, a mage and a dragon enters a bar...
>>17211560ZOE a cute.
After playing through 7, I can honestly say ADF-01 is still the undisputed BEST superplane
>>17212855>Hamilton in a corner glaring at everyone and everytime another plate of food is brought to someone else.>while he himself sips a Coke Zero and nothing else
>>17212492>>17212403Why not both?>>17212662I just want to put my head on her belly.
3 is the best game in the franchise.Prove me wrong
>>17213125Fiona is worst girl
>>17212767Another point to note.During WW2 Singapore was briefly under japanese control and the japanese referred to it as Syonan-to(translates to 'Light of the South')Selata is malay for south.
>>17213015>Nemo is....sitting there, silently eating his food in measured bites with a stoic look on his face while Rena, Erich, Fiona, Cynthia, Keith and the rest are conversing with each other and enjoying the food.>He's mostly eyeballing Phoenix, Cipher, Mobius, Razgriz, Gryphus and Garuda, scanning their strengths and weaknesses, analysing his observations to find a path to beat them eventually.>Trigger, while munching on his subway, unaware of Mihaly's own observations, has his eyes on Nemo, because he's seen that behaviour somewhere before, but he can't seem to put his finger on just where....
>>17212932What do you think of the ADF-11F?
>This is all culminating with the construction of the Night Raven and the Geopelia
as much as i love the game i can't forgive no theatre more in MP and am forced to play certain planes due to F22s dominating with QAAM spam.
>>17213150>Gryphus is sitting at his table, enjoying his food while lamenting on how the weather is too hot for him with Alec squadron glaring at him from outside the window of the restauarant>Mihaly has a short heartwarming moment with Yellow 13, then they both glare at their respective rivals
>>17212596I wish, AC3 has the best designs.
>>17213199>Oka Nieba drags the other AWACS to the back for some sick ass karaoke
Do model kits for Ace Combat planes exist? I know abot the Falken, but it's ludicrously expensive and hard to get. Are there any others?
>>17213145Selatan is SouthSelat is Strait, the Selatapura can be translate to Strait Town since pura is Sanskrit for town
>>17213241>Bandog at one corner of the karaoke talking with the others on how terrible it is to have penal pilots under him and the only pilot worth a shit under him was Trigger
>>17213393was he though? I thought the whole squad was pretty decent, discipline problems aside. They did well enough to get recognized and pardoned, and Count was held under similar regard as Trigger. Or was it just the higher ups going "this penal squad shot down 100 planes on one mission" and not realizing Trigger got 97 of those?
>>17213393>Nagase, Nagase, and Nagase all toasting their margaritas to each other, celebrating another sister's-runion before collapsing into drunken girl talk of stupid bosses and cute boyfriends
>>17213402What about the other two (or is it three?) Nagase's?
>>17213401They were a competent squadron with two standout pilots, one who actually was hot shit, and the other who inflated his kill numbers.
>>17213405I think we're at four Nagases:Nagase (AC2)Nagase (AC3)Nagase (Infinity)Nagase (AC5 and confirmed to be the same Nagase in AC7)
>>17213415Nagase makes a cameo in Ass Horizon, and is the main character of Ikaros in the Sky. I think Ikaros Nagase is separate from AH cameo Nagase though.
>>17213415And Nagase's sister Reiko
>>17213408I always thought the line about count inflating his kill numbers came from him shooting down full band
>>17213478Nah, they mention it in the first mission with Spare. Although I feel like getting the last kill over the Waiapolo Mountains sealed the deal for his transfer.
I'm kind of disappointed they didn't pull an AHL for Electrosphere. I guess it's a little easier to fold that one into the current timeline since it's the latest game chronologically, but it would still be nice to have the original not-butchered content officially released outside of Japan.
>>17213537Honestlt, if 7 sells well enough they might consider it.
>>17213401Spare squadron's results was literally entirely down to Trigger. A good chunk of the squad refuses to fight and outright leaves the battle when shit gets real(enemy ace appears or shit hits the fan), Trigger is the only dumbass who flies towards the enemy. When Mihaly showed up and everyone was on the verge of deserting Trigger is the madman who flies towards him. The squad is good, but their results were mostly Trigger being very aggressive in his piloting. There is a line by one of the pilots about Trigger flying off at the first sight of an enemy and leaving them behind.
>>17213252Just this one? What manufacturer? It seems like a wasted opportunity not to have more AC kits. I want my Morgans, Wyverns, Nosferatu, etc.
>>17211560Reminder that it was a ZOE drone that killed the president.The Golem planes that tried to shoot the elevator were also ZOE drones (they have the lights where the cockpits should be) and weren't even friendlies (like they say later in the game, IFF had been hacked, the characters' assumptions that it was the chopper's IFF that had been changed are just wrong)Weird how there's a load of these details that aren't mentioned or elaborated on in the game, wonder if it's sequel bait or something because the doctor guy didn't seem behind it
>>17213781>Reminder that it was a ZOE drone that killed the president.To elaborate, watch the cutscene closer and you can see that there's an F-18 ZOE drone following Trigger that does it.
Speaking of F-18 drones, did Area 88 had them too?
>>17213796Sorta kinda on the sand carrier if I remember right?They were still capable of being flown manned though
I want to make love to EML Strike Wyvern.I'm ready for solitary.
>>17212605It was so real that my friend could missile a building that looked like his office.
>>17212590>>17212605Anchorhead is Yokohama.
>>17213744They’re making a Strike Wyvern, they’re all by Kotobukiya.
>>17212789They call German "Belkan", and there are "Belkan accents"
>>17214016>The Trolley ProblemlolLooks like it might have something to do with all those refugees mentioned near the end of the game? Might be interesting.
>>17214114Also, a Morgan?And it seems like it has Wyvern-esque vertical stabilizers.
>>17213781Don't the planes attacking the elevator talk on radio though? Or someone gives them orders (babel, babel; babel). Why would they order their own drones to shoot down the elevator they depend on?
>>17214131That' definitely a falken(top left here)
>>17214114Is Erusa gonna chimp out about refugees again?>>17214153The cannope doesn't look right from dead on, looks more like the morgan from straight on. I wonder if it's gonna be like the Strike Wyvern a new variant based on the old plane for mass production or something.
>>17214167It's a bit wider, but that might just be art style/off model. Alternatively, it could be a a variant like you said. Maybe a playable raven? Someone should compare it with the cutscene showing the raven blueprint. Or maybe it's just the Morgan (Strike Morgan?)
>>17214148The IFF was faked, it’s unclear who the drones were working for. Just another of many unresolved plot threads.
>>17214274Pay attention to the radio chatter.Gargoyle squadron was a real squadron (not drones), they were ordered by the IUN-PKF (not Osea) to take down the space elevator to deny its energy generation to the Eruseans.
>>17214281the grey men are back at it, now running the IUN, id suppose
>>17214289Probably, Belkan conspirators are everywhere in Strangereal
theres a third plane between the two onions boys, but theres not enough to identify it,
>>17214386that looks, to me, a modification of it, more than anythingwith how big this game is wiht drones id half bet its a from-the-ground-up falken based drone made to maximize the fact that it does not have anyone on boardso ready your ass for complete bollocks turns and ultra high G turns
>>17214386While the mirroring of the diagram might be the reason why the nose is chopped off like that, the Falken's nose nonetheless isn't chisel shaped.
>>17214392>>17214399Now that I look at it, it does look more like a modification. Seeing how Project Aces loves their Falken variants it’s not that surprising. I hope it’s a playable Raven, drone swarms sound pretty OP.
>>17214386It could be the ADF-11
>>17214413>Seeing how Project Aces loves their Falken variantsBy my count there's only two, and that's being generous.
>>17213478Him inflating his kill numbers also goes hand in hand with the crime that got him sent there, fraud
>>17214758Do we know the crime for all of them? We know count is fraud, amd Trigger is the whole harling thing. I think Bandog says one of them is a murderer? Amd high roller probably did something gambling related
>>17214843Tabloid was a political dissident who threw a rock and it's implied Champ was a murderer. Full Band probably hacked into classified files or something.
>>17214847pretty messed up how fraud or throwing a rock get you pretty much death penalty in Osea then. Although in tabloid's case it was more likely because he was Belkan (or was it just his parents who were belkan? still)
>>17214862It's like y'all forgot that time in 5 where the mere association with something that makes the OADF look bad gets you thrown into menial penal duty. >when the brass' idea of punishing you for leaving the president with babysitters who don't exist is to clean up gas bombs and chase down a truck that's throwing all kinds of dumb point-valued shit at you
>>17214876Wait no that was Dresdene, different incident.
>>17214843>>17214847I like to think that Tabloid is a tinfoil hat A World Without Boundries truther since Zero made a point about how much of the Belkan War is shrouded in mystery. Which makes me think about all the other crazy conspiracies that Strangereal would have.
>>17214902I vaguely recall him going "from up here all these countries look the same, borders are no good" or something like that, so that's probably it
>>17214916Mihaly said something similar as well
Does Mobius 01 have a cannon nickname like Cipher, Blaze, Trigger etc? Or does he just have his callsign?
>>17215013Became known to his enemies as that ribbon fighter.
>>17214862Isn't the 444 Squadron made up of service members who've been convicted? Its not like these are all civilians who've been forced to fly.Soldiers in the real world get different punishment for crime compared to civilians as well.
>>17215250No, only Trigger is confirmed ex-military. The rest were just random prisoners that knew how to fly, like Tabloid who was an anarchist arrested in a demonstration, or Avril who was just a civvie mechanic. The ground crews were also prisoners, probably couldn't fly but could lug around the inflatable trucks
>>17215275No, Avril was the only civilian.
I kind of wish there were one or two more missions in the penal unit. The added layer of moral greyness about what you were doing was great.
>>17213415Wasn't there a Nagase in Zero too?
>>17215275It's mentioned by much of Spare in mission 6 that Count is well known for inflating his kill count, hence his callsign. While Full Band stole some intel and High Roller likely ran an illegal gambling racket on his previous base that got busted.
>>17215981And Champ probably assaulted or killed a CO.
My personal favorite missionsStonehenge Defensive>Long Day>Fleet Destruction>Cape Rainy Assault>Last Hope>Lighthouse>Everything else>>>>>>Faceless Soldier
>>17215982I was thinking he committed collateral damage intentionally, he did say bullying the helpless was a tendency of his when Bandog remarked that even the unarmed transport trucks were valid targets in mission 6.
>>17215997Yeah, but Champ is a boxing reference, and he's protrayed as a reckless hothead. I'm willing to bet he punched the lights out of some asshole CO.
>>17215013mobius one barely exists in ac4
>>17214736I'm sorry cantalope.
>>17215996>Faceless soldier that lowDid people really have trouble with that or what? What was the issue out of curiosity.
>>17216063Its not hard, just very tedious.
>>17215996I liked the mission that ended with Harling's death.>obligatory sneak-through-radar-network mission>but drones show up>and more drones>now escort a target in that hot situation>oh shit pilot is shot out, pres is taking the wheel>oh shit why the fuck is he turning the plane, come on, just let me take down one drone ther->"Mage 2!"
>>17216085Voice acting in the ending cutscene was on point too. Sky Keeper's VA sounds genuinely upset.
>>17216086Cutting straight into the cutscene from the moment you fire a missile at one of the drones around Harling's transport was a nice touch as well.
>>17216091It really tricks you into thinking you're the one who actually fired the fatal missile.
dolphin planes when?
>>17216093>doing an mg only run>missile shot>space obama dies>"eet wuz mayj too"nani the fuck
>>17215996Wait, the two birds are different? Does only one have the helios and the other only has the laser? I thought they were the same
>>17216134Well obviously the trick works a bit more if you were using missiles. I had been blasting drones off of him earlier with missiles so I was genuinely wondering if I'd accidentally shot him even though I was making sure he was clear before shooting down drones.
>>17216063Boring. I want to go fast and zoom around, not slowly crawl and play hide and seek in the clouds.
>>17216397But.. you're supposed to go fast and zoom around when leaving the clouds. Staying under them any longer than you need to or flying slowly is your fault
>>17216405Point is, I still have to go in and under the clouds again and again. I didn't ask for this, give me zippy tunnel runs or straight out dogfights, I don't like being railroaded into this dumb hide and seek mechanic.
>>17216127This is from AC3 right?
>>17216423Go fast under the clouds then, no one is stopping you. If you love your tunnel runs then going fast under the clouds is not a problem
>War goes to shit with everyone's comms being down. >At this point the Erusens all start deflecting onto Belka. >"It was all the work of that Belkan witchcraft, we're completely innocent, despite the fact that we started the war and intentionally used said drones. It's all Belka's fault, not ours, really."Fucking Eruseans.
So what are your predictions for the DLC aircraft? Trailer shows FALKEN and Morgan, but I doubt they would add what is essentially the same aircraft twice. Maybe a manned ADF-11 RAVEN? it is next in line after those two. All the bat/butterfly imagery suggests Nosferatu, which leaves a mystery plane we know nothing about. Thoughts?
>>17216887didn't they say that Belkan agents infiltrated the Erusean government to push for the war under the "muh imperialism" excuse?
Re.inder that this is the best and most aesthetic plane ever created.
>>17212782>thinking the Kingdom of Ital isn't under Erusean or Osean territorylel
>>17216423you can zoom through the radar section in under a minute or so if you thread the needle between radars you subhuman it's quite literally a "tunnel run"
>>17216670>>17216950You asked and got an answer. You're not curious, you're just a cunt.
>>17216405>>17216950the issue isn't difficulty, its enjoyment.playing hide and seek with SAMs isn't enjoyable.
>>17216950>>17216670>can you tell me why im curious tee hee :3>anon gives an answer>lmao u just suck lolYou're a giant turbonigger, anon, if you wanted to act like hot shit, why even pretend to want to have a civil discussion
>>17216670It's a shitty destruction map with limitations that has you kill barely anything (5 TGTS wowwww) followed by a short uneventful dogfight with more planes. You could literally snore through this map with LACMs that hit your target from 10000km out and then mop up the planes. The only good point of the mission was the "form up on Trigger" cutscene.
>>17216915They looked good blowing up. Pretty much the Zakus of AC7.
>>17217121>Pretty much the Zakus of AC7.I thought those were the MiG-21's
>>17217125MiG-21 is more like the Ez8 with all the machineguns it's got.
>>17215996>My personal favorite missionsStonehenge Defensive>Long Day>Fleet Destruction>Cape Rainy Assault>Last Hope>Lighthouse>Everything else>>>>>>Faceless Soldier>>>>>>>>> Dark BlueDark Blue should just have been 19's last checkpoint.
>>17217132Dark Blue had my favorite carrier launch cutscene though.
>>17215275They're all military, you silly goose. Avril (the only civvie) wonders out aloud why that she gets thrown in 444 despite NOT being in the military.
>>17217136Fair enough, but the scene in the Admiral Andersen could have been pushed forward one mission earlier and tweaked a bit. Hugin and Muginn weren't that hard and it really was kind off anticimactic after the hectic shit you went trhough in 19.
>>17216085The BGM in that mission was a bangerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evfmR9eTwKQ
>>17216252I literally shot right into the clusterfuck he was flying in. It could literally have been friendly fire.
>>17217091>>17217095>>17217109why the fuck are you quoting two different people you faggot ass cornholin' cocksuckas? go fuckin die
>>17217489>>17217492Post more, we need to figure out this trailer
>>17218011Apparently one of the post-it notes in the trailer has to do with the launch phase of a ballistic missile.
>>17218722This twisted game needs to be reset?
>>17217136>that musicabsolute ludohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUtuNytaOio
>>17212925That they are.
>>17218863>Falken-chanAce's Frontline when? I need a plane mobage
>>17216896No, the general in Last Hope says that the conflict was all a group of young Erusean officers who were using drone technology bought off of Belka to convince the Princess and the rest of the government that a war with Osea would be a costless one. The whole Erusean civil war stems from one faction using drones to keep up a war, and the other saying that the war should be stopped because the drones are making the idea of war trivial.
>>17219190and you assume none of these young officers had Belkan ties?
>>17219203Yeah. Erusea's army has always had an ultranationalist faction. In 04 a group of young Erusean officers threatened to obliterate the entire continent because they lost their capital. Then another group of young officers rose up again in 5's arcade mode to oppose the ISAF interim government. Then they fucked around with their neighbors again in 7's VR mode. And now they went up against Osea because how DARE Osea build an elevator off their coast. The fact that they bought drones off of Belka doesn't put Belka behind it all. For once, and just this once, Belka did nothing wrong.
>>17219226Yeah, even Dr. Schroeder, the head of the ZOE program, regretted his actions and helped Trigger and crew take down the drones.
>>17213402>>17213405>>17213415Speaking of Nagaseshttps://www.aclighthouse.com/articles/pilgrim-1-silent-savior
>>17219234>regretted his actionsOnly at gunpoint, or did you forget he was uploading Mihaly's data until the girl pulled a gun on him?
>>17219262During an internal monologue, he talked about having lost all his drive for his work months before the events at the lighthouse. Its not like he was talking to Avril and the granddaughters.And he still helped out a lot with the destruction of Hugin, Munin, and even risked his life (along with Tabloid, RIP) saving refugees from the crashing drones.
>>17219276feels more like he was playing good once he got caught. "Oh I'm so sorry you caught me, let me help you kill those evil, nasty drones. It is they who caused this conflict, along with Erusea. Certainly not Belka"
>>17219316bad people playing good don't directly risk their lives saving little girls from falling debris.
>>17219316Frankly I think he was also a part of the whole I-lost-everything thing that was going on.>Mihaly lost his country and all he has left is the sky, thats why he flew even into his old age>Trigger lost his freedom and all he has left is the sky, thats why he flew even as a part of a penal unit which could be used as meatshields at a moment's notice>Schroeder lost his country and all he has left is the belkan desire for revenge, and even then, when he lost all drive after realising that he is pushing Mihaly too hard, he had nothing else for himself but to push Mihaly harder and perfect the drones
What do you guys think about THE SKY IS CONNECTED which appears briefly in the carrier launch cutscene in Dark Blue?
>>17219450I got a boner. That launch scene was fucking GOAT material.
>>17219450Very cool. I make sure to use a blank skin with no emblems or ID numbers for that mission, just to keep it thematic. The Admiral Andersen has the best hangar BGM too.
>>17219450All that scene needed was some guy to talk about not going quietly into the night and declaring it independence day, or about stopping the apocalypse.
>>17219672https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g05ZfgnUZMo>when all the aircraft form up on you while the music triumphantly swellsHollywood hasn't been capable of giving me that feeling for a full decade at least.
>>17219674https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kVdCaczLE8The music hitting the chorus just as the Arsenal Bird's shields went down was amazing as well.
>>17219450I fucking nutted when I saw it.
>>17219703if you watch replays in slow-mo certain parts of the music are actually triggered by events or kills.
>>17219703>Trigger takes what should be a mark of shame branding him as the worst of the worst criminal scum>turns it into a mark of pride that has enemies shitting their pants in terror and allies cheering with hopeI love this kind of shit.
>>17220465That's always been successfull in history. Just look at the cross for example. Will a new religion start up in Strangereal following Trigger? I would follow it if it meant i got a cool plane
>>17220489mobius one is the christ allegory so it would be him if anyone
>>17220679Wardog/Razgriz is the christ allegory, ya dingus. You forgot the most important part of being a christ ripoff: the resurrection.
>>17220721>Agnus Dei is sung during megalith>megalith is cross shaped>mobius one is the sacrificial lamb to stop megalithare you pretending to be retarded or what?
>>17220727>completely dodges the resurrection partTime to dive into the fireworks.
>>17220739his "resurrection" is going into something most thought he wouldn't come back out of alive and actually doing so have you played the game
>>17220744You have to die to resurrect.
>>17220744Yeah flying through a tunnel and not even getting downed sure does scream HE IS RISEN, not like that Wardog Squadron shot down only to reorganize under the name Razgriz, evoking the legend of a very explicitly spelled out dark messianic figure and harbinger of great change. How many passages of A Blue Dove for the Princess have you read in your life, you ribbonfag?
>>17220751>>17220754he rises out of the missile launch doors after destroying the final missile I can't believe you think he LITERALLY must die even though all of the razgriz squadron didn't LITERALLY die and come back to life
>>17220754the legends of razgriz is about as far from the actual christological cycle as you can get, have you even picked up a bible?
>>17220786Over the course of the Circum Pacific War the technically not dead members of Wardog are, as far as I could ever tell, technically listed as KIA, or at minimum MIA.I don't even remember if anyone comments on Razgriz being full of technically dead pilots, in fact, but they were dead to Sand Island after their daring escape led to 4 Hawks getting splashed over the water.
>>17220787>local man pisses off establishment, gets thrown under the bus for his troubles>comes back according to some other guy who insists the messiah who is also God but also God's only son died to absolve everyone of their sin and that you too can enjoy all the heaven you want without having your peepee choppa-choppa'd like the Jews demand of a bris.Wait I think I'm confusing it for the historical context.
>>17220812yeah you've never opened a bible
>>17212464It's a F-15X. Japan gave the go ahead and placed orders for them. It's basically a 21st century version of the F-15.
>Phoenix (as of the AHL retcon), Mobius One, Gryphus One, Antares One, Reaper, Bishop, and Trigger all have the F-22 as their "canon" aircraftWhy do they have such a boner for the Raptor?
>>17221040Because it's an unobtainable elite NATO plane, it's super rare and super-expensive, thus, it must be super-effective. And super-effective stuff requires a magnificent pilot to run it magnificently
>>17212767Singapura is still used as the Malay word for Singapore.
>>17220940I thought Japan had F-15J ? And their own indigenous 5th gen project? And Northrop talks which are rumoured to involve the YF-23? And they are also buying F-35? Is Japan getting ready for war? Do they feel China is about to make a move?Pretty spooky
>>17221040Because the western audience regognizes it as "the best fighter jet". I don't think you'd have the same effect if the canon plane was a Su-30, or a Gripen, or an FA-18, etc.
>>17221064I really want to know where this memery about bringing back the YF23 came from.So I can squash it.
>>17221040because it rapes
>>17221086>mfw the 6th gen fighter is called the "Rapetor"
>>17221066I thought AC3's JP cover with the UPEO Super Flanker was a magnificently striking design.
>>17221075Well, Japan has been in talks with Northrop, they want a 5th gen fighter, and Northrop happens to have a fully developed 5th gen fighter with performance similar or superior to the best 5th gen in the world right now. It's not a stretch that they would sell that to the nips instead of spending massive amounts of time and money designing a new one from scratchAlso, deep down in our hearts, we all want the YF-23 to get the glory it deserves. She's a good girl, give her a chance
>>17221102Ah, so it's just 23faggots being desperate.
>>17221040To be fair Trigger switches planes as he goes from squad to squad.The madman started with a F-16 as Mage 2, downgrades to either a F-104 or a MiG-21 as Spare 15(and can fucking keep up with Mihaly with them), then was using a F-15C as Strider 1, and then used a F-22 for the last fight.Personally, considering the last shot of Scrap Queen in the carrier was of her behind a F-15 as the doors of the carrier's elevator open(and the fact that Trigger was climbing vertically at the last stretch), I like to think that he used a F-15 variant at the end there, maybe his F-15C.
>>17221088Unironically, if I was in charge of my country's fighter development, I would name our latest design the "Sky Raper"
>>17221102>a 5th gen fighter>from two decades ago
>>17221102are they even allowed toexporting the F-22 is still illegal, so what about something that supposedly works on a similar level
>>17223124The Wyvern's wings always seemed a little too unwieldy, to me. The way they swing in and out looks like it would cause some stability problems.
>>17221677Does he keep the crap plane for the entirety of his stay at Spare squadron? IIRC the cutscene where Avril tunes up your plane mentions "the engines", and both of those are single engined aircraft. Not to mention the other members had better planes, so it's safe to assume the "aircraft tree" is Avril finding mothballed planes and fixing them up for Trigger>>17223124Beautiful plane, awful scheme
>>17223184>Beautiful plane, awful schemeits what all planes look like when they don't have paint
>>17223180>The way they swing in and out looks like it would cause some stability problems.Aren't most fighters designed to be unstable, with the assumption that FBW and the avionics software should be able to compensate?
>>17224220And here's the Strike Wyvern they were teasing a couple months ago.https://twitter.com/kotobukiya_p/status/1094393147231109120
>>17224220>>17224242>1/144 Why u gotta be like this Kotobukiya?
>>172243591/144 is standard fare for airplane plamo.
>>17224375Airplane models usually also come in 1/72 and 1/48, and look much better. I feel planes are too small in 1/144 and you lose a ton of detail
>>172243941/144 is a far more commonplace scale though.
>>17224419where? because for fighters the standar is 1/72 , airliners and cargo planes is a mix 144-100 depending on the brand .144 is usually the main size for gunpla from bandai , 100 from kotobukiya ( i knowi´m excluding MGs and RE-100s because theres siply more catalogue for 144)
>>172253531/32 B2 when?
>>17224419For Gunpla, sure. Planes are way smaller.
>>17224419For gunpla and mecha plamo, maybe. Planes not so much, even the GIMIX line from Takara Tomy aren't as common as the 1/72 scale plane kits.>>17225353Waiting to see if Hasegawa gets the license for 1/72 AC7 jets, hopefully with the gonzo new weapons (e.g. F/A-18F with the EML)
>>17225726ModelCollect has a 1/72 scale B-2, but it's easily costs more than 100USD. A 1/32 scale B-2 would probably be priced like a Perfect Grade and take up a dinner table.
>>17227545>>17227549Seems like prime bulli material
>>17227554To be fair we did bully them>shoot out the main rotors of one of them to be shot by Stonehenge>shoot out the rotors and everything, then finally the killing blow by shooting the exposed core
>>17227545>Trigger just left the combat zone, I say again, Trigger left us!!
>>17227545Kouno loved ithttps://twitter.com/kazutoki/status/1094810278498230272
>>17224419You've been building too much gunpla, anon.
>>17219674<<All aircraft, form up on Trigger, nice and tight!>>
>>17225828>F/A-18F with the EMLDo any of the real aircraft in the game have visual differences from fhe IRL version? I didn't check if there were weird variants. If there aren't, they could easily make "weapon addon packs" compatible with any model of the right scale>>17227566That's like breaking her legs and then shooting her execution style, big oof
What I like the most in AC7 is how much fun I have playing it. Even the shitty missions felt fun.
>>17230507I like how fair the difficulty is. Aside from the target selection being janky, every mission failure that happened was squarely on me not mastering the controls and memorizing AI patterns well enough. There weren't many times where I died and felt like it was total bullshit.
>>17230525Yeah, It is much less frustrating than I thought it would be on normal difficulty and higher. Props to the devs.
At this point, is there any major conflict in Strangereal's history that hasn't been at least indirectly Belka's fault?
>>17230834They weren't involved with the Continental War were they?
>>17230834Aurelia and Leasath's war
>>17230127Hasegawa's shtick is reissuing model kits from 80's era tooling, throw in a new decal sheet and maybe some resin or photoetch and selling them as "Limited Edition" at 2-3x the price of the base kit.
>>17231121I bet Belkan scientists in hiding (like Nazis in South America) designed the Fenrir and Gleipnir
>>17231074Bet they were behind the Continental War too.
>>17231551Who made Stonehenge and Megalith?
>>17231546South american here, I wish our hidden Nazis would create cool superweapons
>>17231604They made several decent aircrafts, shame none of them got produced in significant quantities.
>>17231557Usea and Erusea, respectively, but one of the designers of Stonehenge was a Belkan.
>>17231543So what is the best brand for airplane kits then? Revell? Tamiya?
>>17232104How about Italieri?
>>17232104>>17232120Really depends on scale, Hasegawa, Academy and Revell are pretty decent for 1/72 scales. Tamiya mostly uses Italeri stuff for 1/72, only occasionally doing stuff in-house (like their various Zeros and the newer F-16CJ).
Best AC7 girl.
>>17232227It was cute how the old scientist had to teach the youngling how to do things the old-fashioned way
>>17230834The Emmeria-Estovakian war, I think. Hard to say.
>>17232182How is Kotobukiya's XFA-27? I've never owned a model from them, so I don't know what they're usually like detail and quality-wise.
>>17232826Not sure if the technology behind Chandelier was Belkan or not, Estovakia is basically not!Serbia&Romania.
>>17232826Aigaion was the work of one of the Gault squadron survivors last I remember.
Anyone else hate Chopper with a passion undying?
>>17232940Hey, Face of the Coin is a classic!
>>17232947>wanting to play Four Horseman and Desert Blitz
>>17231756>one of the designers of Stonehenge was a BelkanActually?
>>17232970>Super technologically advanced>Designed for a good purpose>Used for warSounds like Belka to me
>>17210591There's one thing I didn't quite get. Erusea was motivated to start a war because they had Belkan drone tech right? But Osea had the Arsenal Birds with the superior drones loaded onto them, thus Osea had (possibly better) drone tech too! Is this ever adressed or a plot hole?
>>17233518The Arsenal Birds were most likely made as an automated defence system for the space elevator so the defence force for the elevator is not affiliated with any nation, until the Arsenal Birds were hijacked of course.I do wonder which of the Arsenal Birds was which though.During the mission with Harling's death its mentioned that 'Justice' was the one deployed to deal with the osean forces, so 'Justice' was the one patrolling the inner circle of the air defence system and thus the one we had to destroy later while 'Liberty' was patrolling the outer circle and destroyed by Stonehenge?
>>17233534That's unclear, since radio chatter says "tactical command chose liberty over justice", thus implying both were possible choices, so I guess they both switched roles every now and then? Also I find it hard to believe that Osea would build the elevator and the Birds and then not only give them up but also forget how to make drones. Wasn't the whole point of the war that Erusea felt Osea was imperialistic and wanted to take over? Sure it was exaggerated, but it'd make zero sense if Osea had just basically given up two of the most powerful weapons in the world
>Gremlins Ptogram>Named for the imaginary, mischievous imps that became the good luck charms of many British pilots during World War II, the program envisions launching groups of UASs from existing large aircraft such as bombers or transport aircraft—as well as from fighters and other small, fixed-wing platforms—while those planes are out of range of adversary defenses.>When the gremlins complete their mission, a C-130 transport aircraft would retrieve them in the air and carry them home, where ground crews would prepare them for their next use within 24 hours.Uh-oh.
>>17233574Its worth noting that the drones are later upgraded with Mihaly's data so its possible that the Arsenal Birds were worked on together by both Osea and Urusea and the drone tech from Belka was indeed used in their construction but only became as fearsome as it was when Mihaly's data was installed.
There's something about the goofy bird-wizard emblem for mage squadron that just brings a smile to my face
>>17234275I'm disappointed we didn't see Mage squadron again. It would have been nice if they were part of the force in the last battle against Arsenal Bird.
>>17213153>>17213154not him, but i really like it
>>17234305I wish both Mage and Spare squadron were part of the force in the last battle.
>>17224220Papa drone, Mama drone and Baby drones flying together after the Lighthouse War, Usea, 2019
>>17234322Maybe Mage, but the only survivors of Spare were Count and Tabloid(And Avril if you count her). Count joins you and Tabloid &Avril were busy
>>17234427Still, even Tabloid joining would be amazing.I wish they had done more with "Stick with Trigger and you'll make it" though, maybe Count telling Strider squadron that line during Trigger's first sortie as Strider 1.
>>17234434They already referenced the Sin lines, more references would have felt forced
>>17234305Just be happy Mage didn't turn out to be a bunch of traitors like Wizard and Sorcerer.
>>17213415Nagase was in 4 as well, she was in the civilian airliner on the radio.
The Virgin Thunderhead vs The CHADWACS BANDOG
>>17233518I would say that after Osea has the 2 most advanced drone platforms they have lost and taken over by the enemy they figured it would be a bad idea to deploy more drones for they might get taken over and you would just be handing Erusea more free weapons at that point.
>>17236559This is what happens when you source your drones from the same company that has repeatedly tried to screw your country over and over again.
Nobody cares about Ace Combat
>>17237609>dbz avataropinion discarded
>>17237609Jumpfags are subhuman desu senpai.
>>17237609>>17237661>>17237727OH NO NO NO NO NO NO
>>17237730It doesn't even have Kinnikuman again for fuck's sake. What do they expect?
>>17237730>IGN completely missing the point of a dumb fanservice kusogeMan even when reviewing garbage IGN is still stupid.
>>17237730IGN 6.3, which means it's a 9 out of 10 for the average non-political minded gamer.
>>17236400Bandog was certainly a nice change from usual AWACs.
>>17237742It's not even fun looking kusoge though
Any love for Fenrir?
>>17237792Nah I'm not -that- big on futanari.
>>17237792Liking that flanker necc but the forward canards strike me as too big, don't like the wing shape, engines seem too far apart, leaving the rear facing radar pod to look bulbous, diagonal tail fins like it has are reminiscent of the YF-23 and as such should be attached directly to the engine itself rather than out on booms. I don't get that projecting forward pod hanging out like that, if I'm not mistaken it would add significant side-aspect to the aircraft making it less stealthy, since the curves seem to indicate a stealth design I would expect that pod to conform to the shape of the plane's body as much as possible to reduce it's side aspect.
>>17238363>leaving the rear facing radar pod to look bulbousthat's the third engine nozzle>diagonal tail fins like it has are reminiscent of the YF-23 and as such should be attached directly to the engine itself rather than out on boomswhy>I don't get that projecting forward pod hanging out like that,its where the landing gear is stored
>>17238386Ah, changes the criticism then, not a big fan of the idea of three engines with two different nozzle types, seems like a waste of internal volume and fuel since the other two engines at their scale with the rest of the aircraft should be more than enough to give it favorable performance. As to why, it looks better that way to me and so far as I know there's no significant benefit to having the tail fins so far away from the engines. As to the pod knowing it's purpose hasn't changed my opinion on it's placement, other planes with similar general shapes have their gear stowed in the neck/body section of the aircraft without any large protruding pods, to me it makes no engineering sense and also doesn't look good.
>>17238404The middle engine is for VTOL, and IIRC the bottom part also has the intake for the engines
>>17238420Jesus Christ how horrifying, I change my mind, the whole plane is an engineering clusterfuck and the maintenance crews must be kept in a padded room away from sharp objects, rope, or open windows.
>>17238493Strangereal engineers don't care
>>17238497A lot of those solutions are actually very realistic, Allite is the real version of the magnesium alloys they mention, it is very cheap, stronger than aerospace or aircraft aluminum alloys and lighter as well. 3D metal deposition printing is also gaining steam and some small scale experiments have already been done printing high-stress components like rocket bells and aerospikes. There are also some newer steel-aluminum-nickle alloys which get close to the low weight of aluminum while retaining most of the strength of steel, I wouldn't be shocked if all of these techniques show up in sixth generation fighters or upgrade packages for existing fifth generation fighters at least in the US.
>>17238497I love how every Strangereal superplane boils down to "we crammed so much shit in there there's no room for fuel, who needs it anyways"
>>17238848they did add CFTs to the strike wyvern though
>>17238855Sure, after someone knocked some heads around to make a more reasonable design
>>17238363>less stealthyNot really a problem when the plane can outright become invisible and disappear from radar.
>>17239231>can outright become invisibleexcuse me?
>>17239373Yes.In the dogfight against the squad of Fenrirs in ACX(Yes, a squad) they disappear from sight and radar because of their optical camouflage.
>>17239409Every day Strangereal tech gets closer and closet to Black Magic
Oh my fucking god mission 08 is the worst mission of all fucking time. Who the fuck ok’d this shit?
>>17239564>mission 8>not mission 9clouds are cool, until you have to stick inside them for 90% of the mission or else risk the hand of god smiting your puny little jet fighter
>>17239617I was pretty unlucky that mission. The first 5 times I tried it, I got struck by lightning when I was turning around a cliff or near ground, so I immediately crashed and burned.
>>17239617I didn't have any real trouble with it at all.
>>17240034Its not a hard mission, but its pretty obnoxious when you're going for that S-rank on Ace
>>17240037Ah, I'm still working through my second playthrough moving up to Hard, still can't seem to S rank ground pounding missions that demand score so I guess I'll have to work on the most efficient route to take and unlock better special weapons and higher ammo loads.
>>17240040LACM's are great for sniping ground targets, better than LASM/LAGMs since they have better guidance, and a significantly larger AoE.If you're struggling with S-ranking Long Day, I'd also suggest UGB/SFFS. Slap blast radius and extra ammo parts on, and go ham.
>>17240046Thanks for the suggestion, I'll give it a try.
Fuck the mass driver mission in 5, holy shit it took me a million tries. Why can't my fucking team shoot down a single one of them or at least take care of the million assholes shooting at me while I go back and forth like a moron when I'm not looking at them?
>>17241097Don't use the disperse command. Not even when they suggest it.