Gundam Unicorn can turn time backwards, it is just the key.What is really important is a fucking plate with some text on it.WOW!
WE BELONG TO EARTH
>>17044548>What is really important is a fucking plate with some text on it.Apparently EF was an Orwellian state on its inception as the record of its original charter was that easy to get lost.In fucking computer age.
>>17044817no, it's more that once the original charter was lost, the feds took the opportunity to scrap all of the copies and then create another charter "original" and accompanying copies
>>17044548What pisses me off is that how axis shock was implied to be miracle of collective human heart being made equal to some fag doing Kira yamato with newtype hacks as some sort of potential of possibilities when it's super coordinater shit all over again.Fucking snow flake millennials!
>>17044824Are you telling me that original charter was just a plaque?Lol this is not how it works. If your space pm is about to unveil a charter that is already finalized by the constituent assembly that has decided how rule will be in new world government, it is already in records. Nice loophole in lore when anyone can come up with any bullshit regarding first 6 decades of federation.
>>17044834And it becomes more stupid when you see through this> the feds took the opportunity to scrap all of the copies and then create another charter "original" and accompanying copiesWhy go through all this sing and dance when you can come up with charter that does not put any if that shit about some vague shit about mutated man living in space in first place. But hey, who cares? Proceedings of a constituent assembly does not make a robot show, especially something that happened 79 Years before the juicy part - OYW.But who knew that Fukui will mix this federation with Verhoven's federation that is fighting bugs.
>>17044834I'm fucking sorry, but that is literally how the shitshow is explained in Unicorn, no shit it doesn't work in real life. Part of the Laplace box wasn't just the existence of the original charter plaque, but that they had a shitton of constant footage of the creation of the original plaque from multiple angles and the people arriving in person to sign the plaque. I am not making this bullshit up, it is literally in the OVA.
>>17044854Unicorn was a big mistake.
The promo synopsis for NT literally has>One year later, in U.C.0097, the world is still largely unchanged.
>>17044854>they had a shitton of constant footage of the creation of the original plaqueThat is pretty fucking stupid, but they surely could've doctored the footage to remove the last line on the plaque.
>>17045545>the world is still largely unchanged.>Despite magic now being real and everybody being scared fucking shitless about it like they should.Unicorn really was a mistake.
>>17045697Don't you mean Char's Counterattack? Shot, you could go all the way back to Zeta for examples of it, but those were only witnessed by a handful of people so it's at least feasible word wouldn't spread. Two fleets watched Axis push out a d the atmosphere. They were small, but there were still probably a few hundred on each in total and there should be some records from them too.
>>17044817It's not about the plaque in a direct sense. It's the history surrounding and emerging from it. A terrorist act to smokescreen for spacenoid exploitation. A radical philosopher declaring that mankind's future is in the stars. The rise of individuals with paranormal abilities. The violent fight by space colonies to escape from Earth rule up to and including one of the most devastating acts of violence inflicted upon mankind. The rhetoric of radicals espousing superiority of the space-born. At face value the Charter is a load of nothing beyond "a bunch of assholes were so hell bent on exploiting space migrants they blew up Laplas to get rid of Marcenas." Rather, what it is is a symbol of the animus between Federation and Zeon, and how a dirty little word such as newtype would change the course of history forever, at least to those who think the Charter to be that big a skeleton in the closet of the Federation. That it doesn't mean much to anyone isn't surprising, because no amount of "look at what the Federation did!" changes what has happened since UC0. It's like the Troubles: we're so past how it started that trying to litigate the past isn't going to make up for all the pain inflicted up to now. Tldr: that the Sleeves, Vist Foundation, Federation, etc all thought the Box still mattered that much is arguably a sign of how out of touch they are with the world around them.
>>17045718There' something I don't get. Wasn't Zeon Zum Deikun the first to speak of the newtypes? It was him who proposed that people would evolve in space right? Then why was the concept mentioned in a charter made in UC0, about 60 to 50 years before? Did he make his theory when he was 10? Or am I misremembering?
>>17045733At first the key concern with the charter was the phrase about a new species created in space. That clause directly threatens the rule of the Earth government so they got scared and hid it. Zeon Zum Deikun and the Newtype theory came later, after they'd already covered everything up. But it reignited the EF's (and like 3+ other related organizations') fears about the Earth getting handed over to the spacenoids, so that's why they doubled down on massacring protestors and gassing colonies. tl;dr even without Zeon, the charter scared the Earth government
>>17045733The term was coined independently of each other, but when Deikun conceived his newtype theory it definitely cast the Charter's "new type" bit into a different light. This is part of Unicorn's hypothesis as to how fear of Newtypes could be so institutionalized within the Federation such that by UC96 they'd roll out a machine designed to style all over newtype use mobile suits, beyond the fact that newtype voodoo pushing Axis away is kinda a worrisome development in a field of weapons research that has given us dead ghost power ups and thought controlled drone guns, and that's before touching the more apocryphal stuff. Simply put, "oh fuck, newtype and new type are close enough that if someone found out about the original Charter this might look super bad! Can't let anyone think Newtypes actually exist, somehow!"
>>17044548> Gundam Unicorn can turn time backwardsCan it? Has that actually been shown or stated in any way beyond an ambiguous line about disassembling some reactors? Because that's about the tamest example of time manipulation I've ever seen if it can and that's all it did so far with the ability. It'd be like having a Hulk film all about Bruce Banner, where he only used the Hulk once, to open a stubborn pickle jar. It's just underwhelming. It hasn't brought anyone back to life, undone any disasters, helped prevent any tragedies etc; it's just annoyed some engineers.
>>17046484>wanting Unicorn to be shittier
>>17045718>>17045738>>17045740Your arguments amounts to>literally describing Unicorn's plot.while taking leaps in logic to make plot consistent, like>federation acting Orwellian suddenly in Unicorn >federation going all the way doing some false flag bombing of it's own PM on the very first day of Universal Century.It begs question - If federation was never going to relinquish it's control over colonies that it would create and populate over decades, why the fuck would it even create a charter that would initially talk about giving priority to space people in it's decision making? It's just roundabout way and makes no sense given how parliamentary system works, and we know that Federation is just a parliament seated at Dakar.The truth is - that was never the point in the original saga. EF was stand in for a UN-type world government that Tomino would depict as callous fucks, most probably to criticize the UN (and lackadaisical attitude of adults - a recurring theme really). What mattered was how things have gotten messy around Zeta due to OYW in UC 0079 - events that occurred more than half a century after inception of UC. Politics before that never mattered apart from Zeon Zum Deikun's philosophy about evolution of mankind in space and it's perversion. Tomino does that again with concept of motherly love in Victory Gundam with Zanscare empire.Fukui essentially exploited this loophole and created this foot on head narrative that works only if you totally ignore how that would even make sense, specially when we are talking about pre-historic UC 0001 and course of 60 years since it was never covered before. It's as bad as that 08th MS team novel which had Kiki gangraped by federation soldiers.
>muh realismfags now trying to distance themselves from UC, when Newtypes were still orignally in 0079.>Muh Tomino, when Tomino always played up the spiritual aspect of humanity in some way.
>>17046876>>17046873And even if charter was passed before the events of day 1 of UC 0001, it would still need approval of the assembly to modify it. Why the fuck a terrorist act in space when colonies were still not a thing or were not that populated to being with would antagonize the prospective space colony dwellers anyway? What was the initial reaction to this? Why the fuck that would promote Federation to pull the first edition of charter along with the constitution down the memory hole unless they have read the script of Mobile Suit Gundam?In computer age there is no way that would get easily expunged without any protest from the members of the assembly, unless there was some coup de 'tat and federation became air strip one all of a sudden and suddenly stopped being like that, right? We will never know, and Fukui is free to write any bullshit and hide it behind the themes of " the only ones to care about the box were people deep in the past " while actually rendering the plot of Unicorn moot to begin with. Infact, OYW moots the content of box anyway so broadcasting was a waste of time and resource. Syam Vist never had any bargaining power to begin with and only Fukui's retroactive addendum only give him so.
>>17046893>you now realize these shitters never actually seen a lick of Gundam, they just read a wiki article and act like they're experts for it
>>17046943>being salty Tomino didn't plug a gap between his hack fraud work CCA and his incomplete dumpster fire F91.
>>17046948Yoshifraudi Tomihack is a genius you philistine!
On the idea about giving Spacenoids priority in government matters eventually as what the EF Constitution promised, look it from the viewpoint of the past: whenever a colonization movement happens, there will be trouble between those who stayed in Earth and those living in space, especially if the former are the government ruling over the latter. How would any of you handle such a situation if you were in Ricardo Marcenas' shoes?
>>17046484It isn't directly explained until Gundam NT but the Unicorn disabled all the Feddie suits in the last battle by undoing the assembly of the generators.
>>17046943>creating weak strawman to feel good about Chinese play toy puppet showSad state of Gundamfags in general.
>>17044548>Gundam Unicorn can turn time backwardsNo it can't. All Unicorn did was disassemble the reactors
>>17046954One would give them equal representation based on population, not priority in involement. And one would definitely not base that prioirty on poorly defined concept of space-adapted people. The very fact that people can live in space is enough to call them space-adpated, making the statement meaningless.
>>17047054I'm aware, but that line is extremely ambiguous. "It's as if" could mean time manipulation, or it could just be a way to emphasize the thoroughness of the disassembly. And I'd tend to assume the second personally, just because of how lame a use for time manipulation it would be.
>>17047095How does it disassembles when everything is fixed in place already?
>>17045531F91 WAS SHIT AND ANYONE WHO THINKS IT'S CANN IS A FAGGEOT WHO HATE GUNDAM
>>17047391Do the screws lose their threads or something?
>>17047460Vibration. Lots of vibration. Vibration is really good at loosening screws, that'd why there's an entire market for shit like loctite.
The real plot hole is that Cardeas Vist wouldn't have just given the Box to Char circa 0090 if he wanted to usher in the age of NewtypesChar:>wants to usher in the age of newtypes>is a natural leader to the point that even his former enemies want him to lead humanity>is world famous as an icon of spacenoids>is the son of the guy who literally invented newtype theory>was against the Zabis in the OYW despite fighting for spaceThere was never a more perfect time to hand over the box, nor a more perfect person to give it to (from Vist's POV)
>>17048547Char never spoke publicly about wanting to usher in an age of Newtypes. Dakar is mostly about environmental concerns and getting people to move off Earth, while Sweetwater is about taking Earth out of the equation to stop endless fighting over it.
>>17048547How much time elapsed between the world finding out Char didn’t die in the Gryps War and Char starting to drop shit on Earth?
>>17048563Probably like 30 minutes. But the vist foundation would have known beforehand, because they built him the Sazabi.
>>17047965how does it only disassemble the reactor but not the rest of the machine then? Reactors are fixed to the MS frame.
>>17047095>>17047965>being this much in denialAnime clearly states that unicorn reversed the GM through time manipulation because newtype beam is not a physical force. Which is why Michelle goes on the pherenx hunt to reverse time around to recover some old dude in a cryostasis.
>>17048839Because apart from screws stuff is also welded and it wasn't just reactors ffs.
>>17048898So a fusion reactor is held together by screws only without welding?
>>17048839Look man I'm just telling you how to loosen screws, not how undo button no jutsu works.I came here to do one job, stop giving me more.
>>17048839Disassembling the rest of the mech puts the pilot in the machine at risk and Banana can't be Kira Yamato in that case?
>>17047170When Phenex was hitting the Narrative with its waves it looked like it was disassembling it rather than altering time, I guess it either returning things to a previous state or just atomically disassembles stuff
>>17049256>disassembling it rather than altering time>returning things to a previous stateWhat?>>17049254All MSs have ejectable cockpit by that time, they would be safe.
>>17048894> The only line in the movie about time travel or time manipulation uses the ambiguous phrase "it's as if"> Movie clearly statesThat's not clear wording.> because newtype beam is not a physical force.There are non-physical forces besides time.> Which is why Michelle goes on the pherenx hunt to reverse time around to recover some old dude in a cryostasis.That old dude is Woomim Luio of Luio & Co. (a sponsor of AEUG and Karaba in Zeta), and she's not trying to reverse time around him using the Phenex going by other summaries, but to fulfill his wish to use the Phenex's psycoframe to transcend humanity like "true" Newtypes have.
Is anyone else not bugged by the fact that the stupid document turned out to be located in the same place where everything started out from?
>>17050457Not really. The treasure being where you started is pretty common treasure hunt practice.
>>17050457>>17050464The REAL treasure was the journey you took to find it :^)
>>17050511Unicorn might as well have said that really, since the journey through all of the One Year War's fuckups was one of the main points of the box.bor at least, of the Unicorn Gundam.
>>17050457Come to think about it, it was literally Paulo Coelho's The alchemist.
>>17050511That's exactly what the La Plus program is for.
i was dissapointed
>>17049256Am I the only one who's bothered by the idea that some form of time travel has potentially been introduced into the UC?
>>17054373Fuck no, you people are just youngfucks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoXDDcce4i0
>>17054376The difference being that Unicorn and NT are actually canon.
>>17054403As if that means Gundam wasn't already tainted by it. I swear, you fucks have a messed up mind. If Gundam had a history of 95% homosexual rape but then suddenly that part wasn't "canon", you fucks would suddenly think it was the most hetereosexually consentually monogamous show in the world.
>>17054408>As if that means Gundam wasn't already tainted by it.It does mean that, yes. At least within the UC timeline.
>>17048547All Char cares about is his own ego. A new era created by him would be terrible.
>>17054431If Char only cared about his own ego he wouldn't have spent the entire 0080s eschewing the positions of power that were constantly offered to him.
>>17055059Ego doesn't equate to desire for power and authority. In Char's case especially it was the opposite, he was constantly running away from any form of responsibility, caring more about himself than spacenoids or any of that shit. That's also the current canon interpretation from Fukui.https://pastebin.com/xEtGw1CW
Unicorn mode is best mode
>>17044548And Aquarion Logos would still defeat it.
Fuck off Duel. The entire macro of yours is lies you made up because of some Demonbane macro that was also all lies. Logos doesn't do any of that shit in the show, nor can it. It undoes the work of the MOTW. That's it.