Why ask for more from this God? The world has everything.
>>22034413What a bittersweet apple life is.
>>22034413the world has everything including sin.what we ask for, long for, is the covering of iniquity, to be washed of it.not sure why you think having everything is the goal. maybe mammon lurks in thee.
>>22034413the true God created a nudist colony. Satan taught people to make clothes and cities and marriage ceremonies.Abrahamists are worshiping the Serpent/Satan of the Garden to this day. Hence why Moses carried a bronze serpent staff around all the time, it symbolized Satan.
>>22034439the nehushtan was to ward off death caused by the flying serpents. just as christ was hoisted on the cross that he might ward off death caused by mankind's disobedience.stop being a gnostic faggot
>>22034428If the world has sin then who can you live for and why isn't it for yourself? If you haven't lived for yourself, it is still a life you can cherish. Even with the sin. Without mistakes, there can be no true love. Mammon doesn't lurk within me.
>>22034495Nobody ever thinks they are greedy
>>22034475wrong. Abrahamists worship Satan. God created humanity nude. Satan/Serpent taught humanity to wear clothes, to build cities, to practice blood sacrifice (!), to oppress women, etc.You're literally worshiping a blood-drinking demon.
>>22034497I see what you mean now. It isn't the first time someone has said that too lol. Satisfaction leads to completeness of the soul, best arrangement of the sin Greed I can describe.
>>22034495you are mired in it. your heart is wicked, our hearts are wicked, my sad brother.you cannot trace love without sin because you know not love. to think it cannot exist without some taint beside is a consolation of the fruit. bastard knowledge hath perverted truth, and lain waste to the garden's glory. god *is* love, and as love, all that is not love is abolished. love is the warrior triumph, love is the glory of the most high, love is the holy holy holy.if thou dost not ken,it aint no good, famalamit aint no good. i think you must focus then on forgiveness as a vector, not completion. the sin abolished, covered, wiped clean, from thence follows a world with joy alone. to call forth the contrast is rebellion for its sake alone. how can you consider aught joy affords baseless, undesirable, misalloyed? grow closer to the mind that resists this world, that spurns it, and yearns for wholeness that god bestows. what doubleminded man gropes about in the darkness to find the light, whilst the flame roars afar off, winking at him in the distance, calling for him, broadening its rays, eradicating the night.Recognize and remember! For you were bought at a price, and are no longer your own.
>>22034509i'm gonna go ahead and move forwars with an interpretation of the bible that makes a lick of sense rather than this fan-fic you've generated to nurse your gnostic pretensions. the power of blood is fairly explicitly described as that not to be consumed, for to consume it is to consume a thing's life. it's stated as law to pour it out. not sure how that equates to feeding it to some demon, and your stretch, i think, would impress a yogi.
>>22034544>consuming blood is okay when a demon does ityou worship satan because you're too low iq and prideful to admit you got duped.>we're just pouring the blood out, there's no "consuming" going on at allLeviticus 17:6> and the priest shall sprinkle the blood on the altar of the LORD at the door of the tent of meeting, and burn the fat for a pleasing odor to the LORD.you're worshiping a literal demon, the Serpent of the Garden. There was no blood sacrifices in Eden, only after Adam and Eve started worshiping the Serpent did that start.
>>22034561Wait, is the serpent still an enemy in the gnostic interpretation? I might be having a schizo episode
>>22034533Wow this really made me feel bad for some reason
>>22034561>sprinkling blood is feeding it to a demonmk. and you filled that little detail in how? via what tradition? who, what little voice came to you and whispered that in your ear, and why do you trust it? the reason there were no sacrifices in eden was due to there being no sin, thus no need to seek deliverance through a scapegoat. then Adam gave birth to sin, and blood can cover an individual man's sins, for the life of an animal slain and revealed becomes the life of the man slain. in the end, you find it abominable that blood is used by god, to wash sins, to be the carrier of life, because you find love and christ abominable. your "blood drinking demon" reflects the ugliness in you, not any ugliness in the glory. the fact of the matter is our blood is charged with our very life, and the life of all beings on this planet. i don't know what to tell you, except that your sensibilities are awry. without christ's blood, none of us would be saved. think of it this way. a demon would not send his son to the world, that he may be sacrificed so that sin be abolished, especially not for what this demon might consider his prey, or the source of the blood that he desires to drink. why spare the flock who believes? why the mercy? why the forgiveness? why any of it, if it's just some meaningless demon? no, your gnostic frenzy don't check out. btw stop the sodomy, i can practically smell it through your text.
>>22034588well, don't lose hope. if you feel bad, it might be that your eyes are opened to your sin. acknowledging sin is the first part. now you just gotta ask for help. no man can do this alone, hence the need for christ on his mercy seat. he'll give it freely, because that's love, man.
>>22034577ironically, the gnostics don't know wtf they're doing
>>22034596>a deity that "enjoys the aroma of sacrificed blood and fat" is a good guy. mk. and you filled that little detail how? via what tradition? who, what little voice came to you and whispered that in your ear, and why do you trust it?the reason Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden is because they started worshiping Satan and engaging in demonic blood sacrifice rituals. >a demon would not send his son to the worldthe Eucharist ritual is based on older pagan cannibalism rituals where they actually ate the body of the sacrificed human. Well done on being duped into worshiping literal demon(s)!
>>22034627funnily enough, neither do most Abrahamists. They actually see nothing strange or horrifying about worshiping a demon that "enjoys the aroma of sacrificed blood" lol>it must be okay to sacrifice innocent animals, after all, the satanic pagans have been doing this for thousands of years!
>>22034627I think I might have thought something similar at some point, they somehow appear comedic, but their interpretations are still interesting so I'll bite >>22034680Where do you get your theology from? Which texts do you follow? Whos the good guy in your story and what's the final plan, if there is one? Pure curiosity here
>>22034692religion is either (at best) Bronze Age mind control techniques used by the elite against the masses, or at worst they're actually worshiping demons. The "good guys" are those who don't worship demons and manage to wake up from the mind control techniques (a hard thing to do for most people)There could be a god/goddess/creator, but it absolutely isn't anything in the Bible, that's just a literal demon that enjoys bloodshed and starting theological arguments among its followers for the purpose of starting wars (wars=blood)
>>22034706The "wake up" part you describe sounds like a gnostic concept, but are you actually? Don't you guys at least respect Jesus and/or other figures throughout myth and history for "waking up"? Is this an individual belief you're expressing or are you an actual gnostic? You mention Eden too, as a good thing
>>22034752did i ever say i was gnostic? no, i didn't. Nor does that make me an atheist just because i think Abrahamism is nothing except poorly disguised pagan worship that has the EXACT SAME rituals of blood sacrifices that they did (and the same priest-warrior culture too).
>>22034439Friendly reminder that Moses never set foot into the promised land for obvious reasons and God's chosen people were worshipping false gods throughout their existance
>>22034781Ok my bad, I was looking for some dialogue with a gnostic person since you at least appeared as one
>>22034680the fat is burned for the pleasing aroma, the blood is sprinkled, not burned.whatever source you're using has misled you, there is no canonicity whatsoever in any text relating to your comments about adam and eve worshiping satan.they ate of the fruit of knowledge. it's all right there. there's nothing left to say. it's disobedience. as to judging god by mans standards, there are plenty of warnings against that as well. frankly, you delve into the religion only to attempt to dispel it. your venom creeps in your words, and they occlude your ability to bear witness to the truth therein residing. i very much would like to see you turn away from this malicious angle, you seek god, but as though to kill him once you meet him. you can call god a demon all you like, but it's a bizarre thing to do so. to pick one part of the canon to rely on, then to ignore the rest. you're the classic gnostic. as if your knowledge will save you, clinging to the very fruit that doomed us all to begin with.a truth spat out to consume deceit.if god wants blood, then blood he shall have, he does not call us to spill it, we do not spill it now. the blood of atonement has been spilled already. and it is no surprise to me that pagans might know how best to worship, but inadvertently or purposefully worship false idols and false gods. when has the truth ever had the prerequisite of pleasantness?you listen to the word only so far as might lead you to hang yourself and your brother.
>>22034991you worship a demon. They "ate of the fruit of knowledge" that Satan offered them, and have been worshiping Satan ever since, the demon god of technology that taught adam and eve to wear clothes and build cities and engage in wars, etc.
>>22034991>it's okay to sprinkle sacrificed blood, there's nothing wrong with that.>but burning blood is an entirely different matter.that's LITERALLY demon blood worship.
>>22035040you're very confused. there are those who worship satan, and those who worship christ. the two are not the same.no surprise that satan would drive man to believe that satan is god, the height of hubris. in any case, i recommend repentance, and asking the paraclete what's up.
>>22035064there's nothing innately wrong with sacrifice nor sacrificing blood, no. it's who you're sacrificing it to that is the problem. your outrage at the mere mention of blood is very strange and grasping. as if the utility of blood somehow precludes god from being god, i imagine you've played a few too many video games.
>>22035088>there's nothing innately wrong with sacrifice nor sacrificing bloodyes, there is. It's creepy and clearly evil. That's why no one does that anymore, because even though it took thousands of years humanity finally clued in to how demented it was. People think vampires are evil monsters for their blood lust, and yet Abrahamists make excuse after excuse for worshiping a vampire demon entity.
>>22035074>no surprise that satan would drive man to believe that satan is godyour own unholy book says that Satan is the god of this world. Abrahamists have been worshiping him either wittingly or unwittingly for thousands of years. That's why there's so many different versions of the "one true religion", and why they all fight each other, and why they only spread chaos and misery everywhere they go. They worship literal evil and Satan has no qualms about his worshipers killing each other in his name.
>>22035128you should relax. it's blood. you have a skeleton inside you right now, too.>>22035142my holy book declares there is no god but god. satan rules over nothing. why bother despising satan if you don't believe in christ, anyway? what a bizarre gnostic corner you've painted yourself into.i don't know if you've heard the good word but christ suggests we turn the other cheek. one of my favorite verses is this: Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.seems a far cry from one rallying for war, strife, and death. seems to me everything you've said is wrong, except that there are certainly satan worshipers, but they're pretty clear about that usually. i hope you have a swell afternoon, sir. please consider that you're mistaken. i was once very much mistaken, precisely as mistaken as you are now. i was about as militant an atheist as saul was. ask god to lift the veil from your eyes and he will. it worked for me, and i see no reason it won't for you.
If the world's so evil why do gnosticcels care about it so much? Maybe because they're copers that can't even identify with the Intellect and are stuck as composites (they probably take constipation medicine, too).
>>22035187>relax, it's just vampiric demon worship. yes there is. Christians go on and on about how wonderful the Spanish were for taking over the Aztec kingdom because they were practicing human sacrifice (thus proving that even normal Christians see sacrifice as EVIL), and then excuse the blood sacrifice in the Bible. >my holy book declares...your unholy book even says that your demon god creates evil. Isaiah 45:7>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these thingyou're worshiping Satan.
>>22035187>do not repay evil with evil>CRUSADES! FIVE OF THEM!i'm not atheist. I just don't worship your demonic vampire god from the Bible. Nor will i engage in mock cannibalism rituals/Eucharist.
>>22035226that which he creates is not him, you realize. you were created by god, but you are not god. therefore, god can certainly create evil or the devil, whilst not himself being evil. yet another instance of you merely using scripture as some sort of bludgeon. you really should give up all this anger you have and reconcile yourself to him. he's gone every step towards you he can, all you have to do is make just one. is that so hard?
>>22035239the people who killed saracens in the name of christ were mistaken, yes. we agree that men are wicked. this does not mean god is a demon. it means men are wicked. which they are.
>>22035266>yes we agree that men are wicked.the same men that write these "holy books". Look, i can only spoon feed you so much. Eventually you're gonna have to be a big boy and realize you've been duped by wicked men. You can be a good person without religion, if that's what is bothering you.And the god of the OT/Bible is evil, as proven by the fact that: 1) he demands blood sacrifice, 2) it's the same religious teachings as the so-called satanic/pagan religions of the bronze age.
>>22035258>give up all this angeri'm not angry though, i just think you're extremely naive for still worshiping bronze age demons. Religious people are the angry ones, just look at Muslims, constant anger. Or Christian Trump supporters, oh BOY are they angry all the time. Religion makes people angry and willing to kill for their demon god.
>>22035292>>22035294I trust you to have a good evening. God Bless!
>>22035292also, to clarify something before i go, it's not about being a 'good person'. we're all wicked. no religion stops you from being wicked. it's about being cool with the lord jesus christ, my man.
>>22034413The principles of nature are limited to, and the facets of nature terminate in, theological primacy —in this consists ordered evil—; the stranded biospirit becomes syntheotically accordiated via the protektion of the strong logosmind, culminating in theological ultimacy —in this consists ordered good—; however, this does not, nor should it, preclude the due benevolent influence of bios through one's symbiosis with nature.The sapient, gnostic person regards the world, as a whole, as an excape, not as a hellscape, and knows that one cannot escape it, but may convert oneself through it, transcending it by performing one's alloted repatching of its scape, thus adding one's rendition of it to one's rational texture, and virtuous architexture — to one's inscape.
>>22035299don't worry, i will. And i don't need to cannibalize a god just to do that, either.>>22035314>we're all wicked.speak for yourself. Unlike you i don't worship a demon entity that enjoys making everyone feel miserable about themselves just to trick people into worshiping it as "the only salvation for being wicked".
if anyone gives a shit, this thread's topic is the theme of the first two books of C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy (I haven't read the third yet)
>>22035424watch how fast christians and other religious high horse people call you evil and sinful for suggesting we return to an edenic state of nudity and simplicity.>Satan gave us clothes! How DARE YOU disobey Satan!
>>22035471I don't know what kind of crack you're smoking but Lewis really really really wants to return to that edenic state of nudity and simplicity
>>22035547okay, but try this fun experiment out. Approach your pastor or your religious family/friends and tell them that God wants us to be naked all the time. See how they respond.
The world is not "the end" in the sense of being an end in itself, but, rather, in the sense of being the last of a reverberating succession of falls, in the sense of being in the midst of the true "outer space", and in the sense of being the tail to be conjoined with the head.
>>22034413This world is obviously something close to the middle of the best possible and worst possible worlds. Most religions incorporate this concept and it's logical too.
Quality post and thought but not entirely sure it belongs here
