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>>21799868First for DAMN, he's good.
>>21799918Surely you're jesting
Would you all Second Apocalypse Dark Fantasy?
>>21799940You mean would I Isekai there? Sure I'll go.
>>21799942what about all the rape?
>>21799965It's better than sitting at my computer all day.
>>21799968ok
>>21799968actually rapes feels even worse on your ass than that
Would you read a fantasy pulp set in pre-colonial New Zealand? (Maori characters and lore)
Make a novel of this and make the big bucks with the New York publishing houses.
Jesus Christ, thread already turned to shit
>begin the unholy consult>prosha gives in to rape-cannibalism> ___ing for (want of) __ing, etc etc>ejaculation...rutting... (bakker's favorite words)>sorwa gets laid>gets gayed immediately afterwards>mfw I'm not even a fifth into the book
I love Bakker
Gentleman, we did it!
>>21800019Yep. I think there is a really good space for different settings now and Polynesian cultures are cool. My friend told me Maoris had trench warfare pretty early on, but I need to find a source for that.I wrote a horror story in the Philippines about my tribe's mythology/folklore, and it got accepted. It was really hard to find the voice for it since it's hard to know when I actually know anything about my own ancestors or not.
>>21800300I doubt they were the first to Invent digging a hole.
The Dragon Waiting has amazing ideas, but I just can't get behind the prose itself. The whole book is just dry so far. There's so much grand-scale plot occurring, but where's the heart? I'd rather read some Dunsany do-nothing story where he describes a misty glade for 2 pages, at least the passion is there.
>>21800019I thought about adapting some australian abo mythology, but apparently Dowling already did it well enough.
>>21800348Fighting inside a trench wouldn't make much sense without cannons and muskets, anon.>The final battle was at Ruapekapeka, the Bat’s Nest. Like Ōhaeawai, Ruapekapeka was a new type of pā, designed to counter bombardment. Late last century, historian James Belich made much of these artillery-proof pā, in which underground bunkers, communications tunnels and rifle pits replaced palisades and fighting towers as the key defensive measures. >He credited northern Māori with inventing trench warfare. Perhaps. Māori had certainly adapted pā to suit the musket, but others dismissed Belich’s claim as baseless post-colonial revisionism.https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/ruapekapeka
>>21800359romans did it first. not that maori took the idea from romans - they did figure it out on their own, which shows great adaptation.
>>21800375Uh... Romans didnt have guns, anon.
>>21800386I guess if we define it as anyone having dug a hole to stop being charged, attacked by projectiles or balistae, then they must have a trench warfare system...
>>21800350Yeah I didn’t like it too much but the alternate historical setting was cool. The guy just can’t write. But lost fantasy authors can’t so idk
can I get some fantasy recs for something like the following: ancient religions, esotericism, demons, forbidden horrors, gothic, dark.. something along those lines. Something Lovecraft-like but modern.
>>21800973novels from Vamprire:The Dark Ages
It's that time again. Post the>last book you read>current book you are reading>next book you plan to read
>>21800992>Last bookI Shall Seal the Heavens 1>current bookNo book but webnovel, Jackal among Snakes on royal road>next bookDunno maybe ISSTH 2
>>21800973Lord of Mysteries 1 and 2
>>21800992>last book you readMan in the high castle >current book you are readingThe Name of the Wind>next book you plan to readI'll read anons book >>21798630 or pt2 of rothfuss book.
>>21801048Did anon post it? I'm interested too.
>>21801007you are not reading the patreon chapters on kemonoparty like a good goy, right?
>>21801176I don't know what are you talking about, I'm just reading whatever is available on royal road.
>>21801225its ok dude, just do it.
>>21801052Not that I know of, but I'm sure he'll do it.
>>21800019I already have.
>>21800973What do you mean by modern? Written by a modern author, or modern setting?Because if you're looking for a medieval setting, then you've pretty much described pic related.
>>21800973I haven't read any of the books so this might be a wrong rec, but maybe the the Isaiah Coleridge series by Laird Barron.
How shitty was fantasy in 2007 that Name of the Wind became popular?
>>21800973Bakker, unironically
>>21801294>How shitty was fantasy in 2007 that Name of the Wind became popular?Name of the Wind comes from the times when a classic story of a poor but capable young man was still mainstream. What do you think young men read? Stories of other young men overcoming difficulties and growing up. Then the market went to shit. Not as if Name of the Wind was some great book, but it deftly distilled the classic fantasy tropes with a 'genius' protagonist. It's success is nothing surprising. If anything it's sad more books like that aren't allowed to be published these days.
>>21801294Pretty bad. I think it got big because of a huge marketing campaign and was sold as Harry Potter for "adults" and caught the tail end of that craze. Readership was in decline at the time and the market was very conservative and stale.
>>21801289>>21801311Modern author, let's say 1980s and up. I have read Bakker twice. Truth shines.
>>21801312Name of the wind has amazing prose
I finished Solaris by Stanislaw Lem and although it has weak parts, I enjoyed it a ton overall. Bad parts>Entire chapters dedicated to mindnumbingly boring exposition on the science of Solaristics. I did not enjoy them at all. I'd argue you could skip 90% of those certain chapters (they were 3 IIRC) and you would miss nothing.>The ending was not bad, but definitely not satisfyingGood parts>Absolutely FANTASTIC athmosphere aboard the space station. Our protagonist arrives on a space spation and immediately you can tell something's wrong. It is littered with trash, the person he was supposed to meet was dead, the remaining two are obviously at their wits end and only offer cryptic replies to his questions.>Psychological horror elements. Strange apparitions, people that should not be on the station, appear. Not being able to tell between dreams and reality. Is our protagonist going crazy or is something else at play? Fantastic scenes in that regard.Sadly it began very, very strong and over time slowly but surely got weaker and weaker. Nontheless, it is a great book, I wouldn't have finished it otherwise.After Solaris I am on the lookout for books with similar themes. Scifi books with (psychological) horror, maybe even philosophical themes. I recently finished the video game Signalis, which strongly falls into this category as well, I think I found a bit of a favorite of mine.
>>21801312I was still working through the classics at the time and wasn't really plugged in to contemporary publishing. I know the recession hit the book market hard and the Hugo fiasco was only the tail end of a growing issue, but not what was selling at the time. It's odd because Farseer showed that what young women want is stories about poor but capable young men.>>21801338It has moments but doesn't scream mega hit.
>>21801338...What? Lmfao.
>>21801338Where, exactly?
>>21801387Half an hour later Bast brought a bowl to his master’s room, reassuring himthat everything was well downstairs. Kote nodded and gave terseinstructions that he not be disturbed for the rest of the night.Closing the door behind himself, Bast’s expression was worried. Hestood at the top of the stairs for some time, trying to think of something hecould do.It is hard to say what troubled Bast so much. Kote didn’t seemnoticeably changed in any way. Except, perhaps, that he moved a littleslower, and whatever small spark the night’s activity had lit behind his eyeswas dimmer now. In fact, it could hardly be seen. In fact, it may not havebeen there at all.Kote sat in front of the fire and ate his meal mechanically, as if he weresimply finding a place inside himself to keep the food. After the last bite hesat staring into nothing, not remembering what he had eaten or what ittasted like.The fire snapped, making him blink and look around the room. Helooked down at his hands, one curled inside the other, resting in his lap.After a moment, he lifted and spread them, as if warming them by the fire.They were graceful, with long, delicate fingers. He watched them intently,as if expecting them to do something on their own. Then he lowered themto his lap, one hand lightly cupping the other, and returned to watching thefire. Expressionless, motionless, he sat until there was nothing left but greyash and dully glowing coals.how do you not think it's good?
>>21801294Gen x babby's first fantasy book, same reason why zoomers love sanderlad so much, because it literally is the first fantasy book they ever read.
>>21801509Gen X was 27-42 years in 2007.
>>21801536Gen x don't read books, they read comic books and watch movies like high fidelity
>>21801323Yeah, the 00s didn't have a strong start. All I remember were series continuing from the 90s and stabs at urban fantasy. There were probably some highlights but it was pretty stale overall. I think one of the bestsellers was a book from the 80s that got a new edition.
>>21801500Have you never read a character experiencing a stunned, shellshock-like state after recanting their glory years while skirting around his own downfall? Here, I've got another good one for you from Wise Man's Fear:After half an hour, not only was Vashet breathing harder, but she began to sweat a bit. I was still no sort of challenge to her, of course, but after days of humiliating nonchalance on her part, she was finally having to put forth a shred of effort to keep ahead of me.So we continued to fight, and I noticed that - how Can I say this delicately? She smelled wonderful. Not like perfume or flowers or anything like that. She smelled like clean sweat and oiled metal and crushed grass from when I'd thrown her to the ground some time before. It was a good smell. She... I can't describe this delicately, I suppose. What I mean to say is that she smelled like sex. Not as if she'd been having it, as if she was made of it.
>>21799868I havent read many fantasy novels but i loved Tolkien, Gormenghast, Earthsea and even children books like Bartimaeus when i was younger. Do you guys think i would like The Wizard Knight?
>>21801561GIRLS SMELL SO GOOD, ANON!>She shivered. “Let’s go in here.” She pointed to a small garden. “There’s more wind tonight than I thought.”>I set down my lute case and shrugged out of my cloak. “Here, I’m fine.”>Denna looked like she was going to object for a moment, then drew it around herself. “And you say you’re not a gentleman,” she chided.>“I’m not,” I said. “I just know it will smell better after you’ve worn it."
>>21801563Probably. It's a weird read and life kept getting in the way of me getting very far into it.
>>21801563Sounds like Gene Wolfe should be right up your alley. He's not similar to those, but he's very good.
>Zach and Ra'azelHow far will Zach bruteforce the Framework before the first series ends?
Anyone here read this? I need some books with mature women.
>>21801338>>21801500>>21801561Rothfuss' prose doesn't get good until book 3
>>21801671>Neighbor'sDamn, so close yet so far to incest kinoGo to the granny thread on /gif/>>24751133
>>21801702Fuck, >>>/gif/24751133There
>>21801509>>21801536Gen Xer here. I was an olfag 38 in 2007. My first fantasy books were Moomins, Pyle's Story of King Arthur, Narnia, Prydain, Dark is Rising. First adult fantasy was LotR then Pern, Elric.
>>21801561What are some sff books with sweaty women? Asking for myself
What kind of fantasy books are popular in Slavic countries? I heard The Black Company series by Glen Cook is quite popular in Russia, as well as LOTR.
>>21801721>54 nowNice job on continuing living.
>>21801048>>21801052If you're that interested. Here's the first three chapters. I'm still in the process of editing.Chapter 1https://pasteio.com/x7Dn6Bo3nf93Chapter 2https://pasteio.com/xjSkhqwKCAfeChapter 3https://pasteio.com/x3QEE5QWipDsIf you think something is stupid please by all means, let me know. It would be nice to get some feedback.Blurb:>Adah Phenric took a vow when she became a Knight of Valora. It was an oath required of every Knight blessed by the Goddess. >All was well until she and her team were sent on a routine mission to hunt a monster. Things go awry and Adah finds herself to be the sole survivor. Unconvinced her comrades are dead, she ventures out into the world to uncover the reasons for their disappearance. >Adah’s investigation leads her to uncover a larger mystery concerning the nature of the Goddess herself. Her mission soon leads her in conflict with a mysterious merchant. Monsters, mayhem, and the past threaten the stability of the world itself. Now Adah is forced to protect "all that threaten to burn world of Tymber."
>>21801780Where are you going to end up posting/publishing it?
>>21801751>What kind of fantasy books are popular in Slavic countries?The Last Ringebearer, unironically kino at times desuIt's a fan-fiction series of LotR officialy published in Russia during the time copyright didn't really apply there, it was then translated and sold in other slavic countries. Other than that, stuff like Sapkowski's The Witcher or his other book series.
>>21801721>Moomins>Pern>PrydainBased oldfag
>>21801780>>Adah Phenric took a vow when she became a Knight of Valora. It was an oath required of every Knight blessed by the Goddess.>>All was well until she and her team were sent on a routine mission to hunt a monster. Things go awry and Adah finds herself to be the sole survivor. Unconvinced her comrades are dead, she ventures out into the world to uncover the reasons for their disappearance.>>Adah’s investigation leads her to uncover a larger mystery concerning the nature of the Goddess herself. Her mission soon leads her in conflict with a mysterious merchant. Monsters, mayhem, and the past threaten the stability of the world itself. Now Adah is forced to protect "all that threaten to burn world of Tymber."No offense, but the blurb is kinda bad. Speak it aloud. Just a bunch of cold statemenets. Is your book also written this way?
NEW BAKKER VIDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFLa_Mw8YXU
>>21800992>Last bookOf Mice and Men. If only sff counts The Emperor's Legion (40k schlock kino).>Current bookDune, halfway through and it's a slog because Paul is a dreadfully dull character.>Next bookI have someone pick from a list of books I need to read for my next book so don't know. I expect it will be Blood Meridian though.
>>21801798You can take a look, I didn't even think of that. I'll rework the blurb. >>21801785No idea. I'm thinking Royal Road, but I want to finish it first then post it. Let people buy an entire version on Amazon if they like the first few chapters. My plan is to slowly release the chapters, 1 per week, for 35 weeks, but if you want to read the entire thing in advance, you can buy it on Amazon/Kindle.
Any good fantasy books that are available on kindle unlimited?
>>21801850Cradle.
How hard do you think it would be to draw up a map of the planet from the Lord of Light when there currently is no visual references of what it looks like, just what is written in the book?
>>21800973
>>21801854ty bro
>>21801862It would be easy since you can make up a lot with so little canon references
>>21800973this post is reddit trash and so are you but I'll give you an honest reply anyway>God's Demon and The Heart of Hell - Wayne Barlowe
>>21801751The most popular literature in Russia is books about spetznaz operatives going back in time to change history so Russia conquers the world, there's thousands of these things and they are as schizoid as Chuck Tingle novelsOh there's also this shit where Russians read LOTR and immediately identified themselves with Satan and orcs >>21801790 and rewrote it so that they're actually the good guys and all the westerners are evul capitalist imperialist pigdogs, which really goes to show the Russian spirit, such as it is
>>21798560Anyone read anything from this chart?I wanna try getting into litrpg
>>21801780Damnit... found some grammar issues in the first paragraph. This is why I can't ever release it.
>>21801900>this post is reddit trashOkay, explain to us why it's reddit trash. Go on. Put it into words.
>>21801921You have lots of grammar issues 2bh
>>21801790https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearerthis does sound kinda kino
>>21801922Because I said so.
>>21801780>she stopped reading there
>>21801938holy based
>>21801921run it through Grammarly.
>>21801916Not all of them are litrpg, in fact most of them aren't. I don't even know why some of them are even listed on that chart. Anyway, out of those I've read I'd recommend:Randidly Ghosthouse (litrpg / progression)Mother of Learning (progression)Paranoid Mage (n/a but it is quite good)Defiance of the Fall (system apocalypse / progression)Tower of Somnus (progression)Beware of Chicken (isekai / progression)Primal Hunter (system apocalypse / progression)
>>21801998>Randidly GhosthoundWhy though? It's utterly nothing. Defiance of the Fall is also one I wouldn't recommend, but it at least has some positives to it. Tower of Somnus I enjoy conceptually, but in execution it's a mess.
>System apocalypse litrpg
/SFFG/ Recommendations:Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of NothingAlso read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.
>>21801936I think you need to go back.
>>21802025Tell me the video on teh TV is fake... someone turned those wojaks into a counting video?
>>21802031it's real
>>21802031it's fake as fuck
Happy Bakkerday, lads. Post your rarest Bakker memes.
>>21801283Interesting. Post it.
>>21800019As long as it features cannibalism and slavery which permeated Maori culture before white missionaries told them it was bad.
>>21801312>young men overcoming difficulties and growing up.Posting the superior version of poor farmboy turned into powercreep, it's better because he isn't a cuck and has a cool karen aunt.
>>21801387>And then there was advanced sympathy with Elxa Dal. Out of class, Elxa Dal was charming, soft-spoken, and even a little ridiculous when the mood was on him. But when he taught, his personality strode back and forth between mad prophet and galley-slave drummer. His prose is unobtrusive and descriptive. For fantasy, and modern fantasy in particular, that is a great plus. Unfortunately several of his characters, and some of the plot, is repulsive to read.
>>21802081All of Kvothe's sexy fun times pisses the whore off. I don't even know what to classify that kind of relationship as. Trauma buddies? She's written like a crazy ex girlfriend waiting to happen.
>>21802009Because anon said they want to get into litrpg and those are good introductions to the genre (or similar in style).
>>21802081Belgariad is based as fuck
>>21802009>>21802101Oh yeah, forgot to say everything else on that chart is worse.
>>21802101>>21802104I mean, fair, but there's better LitRPGs than those. Unbound is a better 'solid' one to recommend, and DCC is great, of course, though it's not really a 'standard' one.
>>2180210330 years ago it was every kids first introduction to fantasy. Not sure it has stood the test of time that well, especially after the truth about the author was discovered.
>>21802020>I Shall Seal the Heavens*coughs up blood*
>>21802110I only read it for the first time like 2 years ago and it was one of the best series I've ever read
>>21802108Unbound is good though I think the MC is more of a Gary Sue than most in the genre, and that's saying something. Also the author is obsessed with the mechanism of levelling his character. Whole chapters on progressing or selecting a skill gets repetitive. Agreed about DCC but it's kind of the exception to them all.
I'm not adverse to some suffering and mise5in mybooks, but I've gotta know before I go any further. In Stormlight Archive should I expect every character to constantly get mindbroke over some tragedy or angst that could have easily been dealt with? I'm about 70% of the way through Oathbringer and it just keeps happening. Character makes some progress fighting their demons and then they either decide to act retardedly or something stupid happens out of nowhere and they lose whatever emotional ground they've gained.
>>21802096I agree with you, anon. Rothfuss did write good prose. I think Jordan is underrated in that respect as well.
>>21802126Well it is an easy read and very straight forward. It's the antithesis to something like Game of Thrones and a lot of modern fantasy. The good guys are good, they bad guys are bad, there is no shades of grey.
>point out grammatical mistake to author>he doubles down and does it even more
>>21802150that's not entirely true, same way with the Sparhawk series, but it was just honest and genuine adventures, something with a point, not bland mindless Machiavellian politicking and violence for its own sake or worse, a shaggy dog storyit also achieves one of those things it seems very few people these days are able to grasp - it has a FUCKING ENDING
>>21802159> it has a FUCKING ENDINGIt did but then it was a success and Eddings wrote the Mallorean sequel to cash in. Fucker didn't even change the plot, he literally cut and paste everything from the first series.
>>21802159>a shaggy dog story80s "deconstruction" was really bad about that and the current trend is even worse.
>>21802125>I Shall Seal the Heavens*Bashful smile*
>>21801845>My plan is to slowly release the chapters, 1 per week, for 35 weeksWroooooooooooooooooong. You should look the most optimal upload tactics, iirc you are supposed to upload several chapters at first, then one every few days or a week, but I gaming the algorithm is important. I think stories get to trending only after a month or so unless you are already famous or get a lot of recommendations from other authors.
Any decent fantasy booktubers? Only one I know is pic related. Every other fantasy reviewer on YouTube almost exclusively reviews shit YA, and maybe the 'new' Tolkien every now and then
>>21802045
>>21801780I did a read aloud using an app and to be honest, chapter 2 and 3 is very interesting. Chapter 1 however, is pretty shit. You need to edit chapter 1. Also stop saying the same shit in different chapters. Lore build only once. If someone speedreads too bad. We already get it after the first time, no need to spoonfeed us the other 4 times.
>>21799868I got this book for 10 bucks from Goodwill.Is it good?
>>21802207how the hell do you spend 10 on a single item at good will? should cost 99 cents
>>21802076https://whetstonemag.blogspot.com/p/issues.htmlIssue 1.Kauahoa and the Tattooed Bandit.
>>21802207Unfortunately you got the bad edition that was misprinted sideways
>>21801916>I wanna try getting into litrpgDungeon Crawler CarlNever Die TwiceVainqueur the DragonLife ResetThe Wandering Inn (optionally Gravesong, a spin-off normal-sized novel from TWI that should give you some understanding how the writting looks like before you start reading the big story) [Also,Gravesong should be downloaded from libgen or zlibrary, the author took a stupid deal to have it released on stupid app]Monsters and Legends (Infinite Realm #1)The Primal HunterDefiance of the FallI recommend those few to get a taste. Choose any you like, but Dungeon Crawler Carl is considered the best story in a classical sense, Never Die Twice or Gravesong are self-contained books that don't make you commit to a series.
>>21802180What a cute and helpless cultivator! It's obvious even though he's standing on a mountain of corpses and covered in blood I can steal from him.
>>21802080Sounds like a Conan story.
>>21802229>pirateabaNo thanks. I read Wandering Inn Volume One when it was professionally published a few years ago, and swore to never read anything else by her.
>>21802239>her
>>21802045Bakker fags,Tell me about his second apocalypse magic. Is it shooty-pew-pew light beams? Is it yelling at the sky to summon bolts of lightning? Is it more subtle?
>>21802159>bland mindless Machiavellian politicking andWHY IS MODERN FANTASY SO OBSESSED WITH THIS? I want dragons, Magic battles, cool sword fights and people talking about honor and justice not a group of white women and fat men being passive-aggressive for 800+ pages
>>21802229>tfw seeing Carl burn it all to the fucking ground is one of the very few book anythings I'm looking forward toIt frustrates me how Infinite Realm author has 20+ novels now worth of book material and still cannot follow basic sentence structure. The run-ons; oh man I don't know if it's some meta mind attack on the reader but it's working.
>>21802168Malloreon is the ending though, Belgariad clearly set it up in the fifth book when the emperor kidnaps Ce'nedra and Polgara and sends them to Torak's shithole temple
>>21802243It has to be a woman author. Look how the book is written with so many girl powah characters. And when the Inn girl fucks up and gets people killed, she blames everyone else than her for her problems and accepts zero responsibility. A man can't write real women.
>>21802246There's a philosophical aspect to it. Most of it, I mean. But it's deeply related to the Soul and did not originate with humanity. There are many more subtleties to it, but you would honestly have to read it to find out.
>>21802246It's implied to be extremely tied to the world's metaphysics in a very scholarly fashion, but (at least in the first trilogy) is kept rather arcane and esoteric to the reader, in terms of the mechanism of its action at least.
>>21802217Saved. Its actually Hawaian but I skimmed it and it seems like a fun read.
>>21802168That nigger just cut and paste the same book over and over within the Belgariad.
>>21802252Infinite Realm is like the worst-written book from a technical standpoint that I still enjoy reading because it's clear the author has a genuine passion for what he's doing, even if he's not great at actually writing.
>>21802250I should say I'm not against Machiavellian plotting, it's extremely enjoyable especially when done right, but only in service to a larger overarching story. Petty political catfights that exist purely for their own sake (I'm looking at you Chronicles of Amber you shitty fucking piece of trash) and don't serve any broader narrative purpose is no different than mindless action shooting galleries. If I wanted that, I'd go to pixiv and wank to ryona, because it'd serve the same masturbatory purpose.
>>21802254The Mallorean is a 90% skippable cash grab
>>21801916>I wanna try getting into litrpgEverybody Loves Large Chests is kino
>>21802274very cringe and bluepilled opinion tbdesu, it literally has the most perfect ending of all time, even better than Return of the Jedi
>>21802259We never got an explanation on how THAT Skin Spy got a soul in the first place.
>>21802229A rough but very interesting one I'd recommend as well is Path of Ascension. It's a bit different from the rest in that it is, by its own admission, actually just a xianxia in a LitRPG coat, but it has probably some of the most intriguing worldbuilding of the genre.
>>21802250Politicing is fine but 99% of the authors writing it can't do it.
>>21802229surprised there is no HWFwM . A lot of people are into that.good list but it's missing dungeon core stories.
>>21802195>https://youtube.com/@thelibraryladder/featuredI fucking hate booktubers with a burning passion but libraryladder boomer is cool, his videos feel like talking to an owner of an used bookstore. His Review of Thomas Covenant is great and the only reviewer i ever saw that actually understands that the whole story is just an allegory to mental illness.
>>21802299Ye, it feels like PTA moms fighting with each other most of the time.
>>21801340>Entire chapters dedicated to mindnumbingly boring exposition on the science of Solaristics.That's the best part.>>21801340>Is our protagonist going crazy or is something else at play?It's not really a horror novel. The events are psychologically traumatizing, due to the nature of the clones, but it's clear what's going on.
Hot take: Harry Potter is not good but it is still much better than most shit anons shill here, including "classics" like Asimov.
>>21802271Heh that's about exactly how I feel. I do dislike how he's yet another "writes multiple series at once" author but it's clear he has so many ideas he wants to put out there.
>>21802326>Asimov>ClassicAsimov is cringe, Heinlein is the real scifi Golden age grandmaster
>>21802301HWFWM I'd rate as slightly above DotF, just because while both kind of devolve as time goes on, HWFWM at least feels like it's about something, and Jason is at least a character, whereas in DotF, it's just sort of 'events happening' and Zac is... Just not a character.
Any suggestions for contemporary fantasy (published in the last 10 years)?I’ve already read through Bakker’s work, and I’d prefer to avoid Sanderson after having gone through his attempt at finishing WoT.
>>21802330Starship Troopers is easily one of the worst books i have ever read.
>>21802330I hate that (((they))) call the worst period in scifi (that isn't 2000-present) the """golden age"""
>>21802328Haven't actually read anything else by Ivan Kal, I've heard some stuff about his various work, but I have no idea if I'd even want to.
>>21802330>Heinlein is the real scifi Golden age grandmasterAh yes today I will write a series where my main character fucks and marries his mother and fucks his daughters.PBBBBBBBBBT all three (Asimov/Heinlein/Clarke) are massively overrated.>>21802342Unless it was you I was talking to, you can search the archives for "Universe on Fire" and find a post from a couple weeks back where I talked about his other series some. I haven't read everything of his but I've known of the guy before Infinite Realm was a thing.
>>21802349Might've been me? I don't really remember the specifics. Some of it sounded potentially intriguing but the sort of question is "does my general dislike of his writing ability get overcome by the actual stuff he's writing about", and just on a blurb level I don't recall anything else he wrote quite appealing to me.
>>21802301>surprised there is no HWFwM . A lot of people are into that.>good list but it's missing dungeon core stories.I personally can't stand HWFWM. I should give it another try eventually as it must have some good traits to be so popular, but my first attempt at reading it made me bounce of HARD. As for Dungeon Core stories...how many good ones are there? I genuinely can't recall any beside Blue Core, and that's an autistic semi-harem story. All I tried were average to bad. Give me some recommendation if you have any.Oh, I should start recommending people that new Rock story from RR, very fast and hilarious, I think it's only 100-200 pages long and complete.
>>21802355His UoF series has magitech mecha in space which is somewhat novel within the relative sphere of this general's discussion cosm.
>>21802341the REAL golden age of sci-fi is the period between about 1910-1940, with the pulps and planetary romances, although those did overlap with what's commonly called the "golden age of SF", which is really the Silver Age, that started with WWII and lasted until Star Wars (and to a lesser extent, Star Trek)
>>21802282>read 5 books you've already read before to get the good endingA novel series isn't supposed to be a RPG with grinding
>>21802362All the good ones are abandoned , unfortunately , or turn into harem/kindgom building with very few stats-go-up sections. I mostly read them to get ideas for traps when I'm DMing
>>21799868>Grim and Dark EditionWhen the fuck will Horus Heresy novels get a reprint
>>21802362>new Rock story from RRWhat's this one?
>>21802420It's the first result on google, anon.>https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/55418/rock-falls-everyone-dies
>Dungeon Cuck CarlPlease stop baiting newfags with this shit cuck LITRPG trash, its horrible, stop, go read something good instead
>>21802341It's not called Golden age because it's best, it's called like that because it's arguably the beginning of scifi as we know it. The best era was the New Wave (late 50s up until the late 70s)>>21802349>I will write a series where my main character fucks and marries his motherThat's pretty based from my point of view
>>21802445you reviews are shit
>>21802450jokes on you, im not the review anon
>>21802385It's funny because i always felt like belgariad/malloreon was a jrpg in book form, similar to games like Tales of.. or Dragon Quest
>>21802452if it looks like a dog and it barks like a dog...
>>21802486ok cuck carl
>>21799868books with the feel of OPs pic? gothic castle, misty grounds, evil pet hounds, or wild dogs roaming the abandoned estate
>>21802503You mean books with souless IA feeling? just go to royalroad LITRPG trash section
>>21802474Yeah I can see that with all the tropes. To me it was fantasy Star Trek, each race has one personality
>>21802503Matthew Pungitore and David Sodergren
>>21802509seethe
>>21802145Jordan's prose is fine in a similar fashion. The problem is that he writes too much about shit that is totally uninteresting, and then fumbles the actually interesting stuff.
>>21802525>David SodergrenThanks, Ive been into Scottish history lately so I'll check out his Scottish horrors. The Haar a good place to start?
>>21802045A relic of the sanderon-Bakkerchad seethe threads. Good times.
>>21800992>last book you readThe Perfect Spy>current book you are readingRenegade Immortal>next book you plan to readMaster and Margarita
>>21802536Any book is fine to start with since they're all standalones.
>>21801356Finished never. The FUCKING author said hed finish it even if he couldnt publish due to the govt but that was just a lie. FUCK this semen slurping genre and FUCK the CCP
This picture makes to incels seethe.
>>21802303MOTHER'S BONES
>>21802554This. I'm blasting Bolt Thrower and plan to read some Bakkerchad before sculling a crispy, creamy double IPA.
>>21802554>2017Where are they now?
>>21802590Well Bakker couldn't sell anymore books so he got depressed and stopped writing and posting
>>21802609That will only make him more grimdark when he makes a comeback.
>>21802609hes a canadian so he's genetically predisposed to being moody, menally ill, and a quitter. >>21802614he's never coming back
>>21802619Screencap thisComebakker 2025
>>21802554Im an incel and I don't know what that is so I can't be mad at it
>>21802609>>21802614>>21802622wait i just started SA. is the series not finished? I cant stand reading a series that deosnt have an ending.
>>21802647Most people think the initial trilogy are self-contained.>the first three in this series tell a complete and satisfying story
>>21802661Thats good, because Im really enjoying it. I'd say he deserves the meme-status he has around here, even if Bakkerfags can be annoying.
>>21799868Is it me, or does GRR Martin have really mediocre prose in A Song of Ice and Fire? I'm currently going through the books, and I can't help but notice, that so many of his sentences are clunky and awkward. He also makes no real effort to "flow" his sentences together. Rather, he'll usually just force together sentences that share an idea. Which, while grammatically correct, feels really clunky imo.
>>21802705Never read books written by obese people
>>21802705I have no idea what are you talking about
>For my part, I can't help but to think that this massive story was where Scott's creative life began and, it would surprise me if, after his real life trials are complete, he doesn't return to it, before the end.Bakkerchads, one day the Ordeal will be over.
>>21799868Alternate timelines,?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHJaAtQjYrYPost soundtracks to reading, fellow fantasy and science fiction chads.
Why should I read books with women protags if I'm a guy? R*ddit and G*odreads are hell bent on reccing books with girlboss mcs
>>21802805Sabriel's good.
>>21802805I'd rather read about a straight female than a gaybook
>>21802805Girlboss mc are cringe i rather have Milfboss mc
>>21802307>"Who is the greatest living fantasy author? Is it Brandon Sanders-"The first and the last video of his I will be watching. Thanks for the recommendation all the same.
Please enjoy my audio horror offerings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feIw0r28q3U&list=PL6jI5DqxxW73O7Einf38QghxpkWbn5emB
>>21802870Don't care about creepypastas but she sounds HOT. I literally started drooling from listening to her.
>>21802878Average audioporn poster on /t/
>Like romance in my fantasy novels but not too much of itAnyone else experience this?I feel like it adds a bit of depth if the mc has a love interest but if the romance exceeds like 25% of the story it just gets boring.
>>21802832this desuI've read plenty of bad books with female protagonists, but I don't think a single one of them has offended me as much as seeing the phrase "his husband" in print
>>21802921Romance should either be a way to help push two characters forward as people, or simply just as a nice 'thing' that progresses a character relationship. If you wanna make it a big deal, make it tie into who these characters are. If not, it can just be "they just started going out, anyway".
>>21802921All romance is good, especially when you're a love starved incel like me.
>>21802878Yes she has a cute voice but that's not supposed to be the focus, coomer
>>21802958It's only good if there's no cuckoldry involved.
>>21802921I find romance boring so I don't like it in fantasy books. Not that much of a dealbreaker though, I mostly speed read it
>>21803001especially haremcuckery
>>21803010>he's not a harem enjoyerNGMI
>>21801751Tons of litrpg comes from Russia.
>>21801910Butthurt belter?
>>21803010I don't hate it but I definitely prefer monogamy.
>>21800992>Tress; then got caught up on 30+ chapters of Infinite Realm if we want to count that as a book>The Demolished Man; two chapters in and this already reads like a Dick novel so I think I'll enjoy it>Maybe some actual Dick depending on how this makes me think when I complete my current
>>21802878sounds like a twelve year old with nasal congestion
>>21803022Irish-American
>>21802878retard coomer
>>21800053Just wait for the next thing Kellhus does to Proyas...
>"When did you begin to serve Golgotterath..."When did you realize the Kellhus was irredeemably the bad guy and start rooting for the Consult? This was it for me.
Why do so many villains just sit in their lair at the end of the journey?
>>21803142I think Bakker tries to say real evil is sexualised in the modern period, so that's why his evil is kinda rapey.
>>21803147What else could they do
>>21803147If I had a lair and I could just sit in it all day that's what I would do.
>>21802045why do they love rape so much?
Serwë's butt!
>>21803174They are Bakkers niggers. He just made them pale skinned so leftoids cant cancel him.
It's still fantasy... and djinns are based.
>>21803147Sometimes they're nebulously "doing their plan", sometimes they're bound to their lair (Sauron was like that, yeah?), sometimes they just genuinely are not motivated enough to care, etc. Most series I've seen that do that sort of thing tend to give some reason for it, though. Often it's simply "they don't even know the heroes exist".
>>21803188So true
>Dungeon Crawler Carl author talking about 4chan threads and incels hating his bookNow i know why that cuck lover is forcing Dungeon Crawler so much here, fuck shills man
>>21803218https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu6MaN9tT_8I bet he loves this
>>21803218You guys are talking about cuck shit but what actually happened
>>21803246DCC opens with Carl having broken up with his girlfriend after finding out she was cheating on him. He barely spares a thought for her throughout the remainder of the story unless the cat brings her up.
Is there any book that captures the vibe of the old video game Lords of Magic? Straight up campy fantasy world in an epic LOTR style civilization level war. I've read a lot of fantasy but never seen something that quite hits that note. I remember once stumbling on a decent fanfiction for it but even that seems to have been lost to the years now.>>21802025>>21802031>>21802036>>21802041https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7hyb6OzeBE
>>21803256To expand upon anon's summary, Carl>'s girlfriend goes on a trip to the Bahamas>sees that she uploaded a picture on her instagram sitting on her ex-boyfriend's lap>Carl did not know her ex was going to be there>Carl specifically packs her shit up with no fuss and texts or calls her to dump her right away
>>21803218>eceleb writer is super sensititsImagine my lack of shock. DCC has had a pretty kind reception here if anything.
And to think, there are genuine mentally brain dead retards who think /sffg/ is a better place to talk about books than r/fantasy.
>>21803291Really love how 5 hours ago, the thread haven’t reached a 100 posts. Just goes to show how useless and pointless this general really is.
>>21803266>2:45 in the videolol'd
>>21803291Sadly i can't blatantly post fantasy milfs in r/fantasy, You see those threads in Reddit asking for books with older women? All of them are me
>>21803291>>21803303>Threads used to last for two days>Now they barely last a dayEvery day, this general just becomes less and less useable.
>>21803303>hes taking pics every few hours to check the state of the generalyikes, nice job incel, not even jannys do that, gz homie
>>21803291Go back then
>>21803311Why are you shitting up /sffg/.
>>21803291>>21803303I don't even know what caused this thread to be derailed other than the usual.
>>21803291>>21803303Just leave. I don't know why you mope. Is it to troll? I like the way we do things here because it's informal and people don't try to show off like on Reddit or Goodreads.
>>21803321Retards being retards.
I wonder why people here think about the quality or speed of this generalI come here, i ask about some book im instered or talk about something im reading or someone is reading and then leave when im done or have nothing else intestering goingare you really sitting on ur pc with this general open 24hours just to check the quality, speed, number of posters, whats being talked about and more?Dont you have a life?
>>21803303Jesus, how did /sffg/ deteriorate this much?
>>21803337>i ask about some book im instered or talk about something im reading or someone is reading and then leave when im doneWhere'd you go to do this? Because I haven't seen that happen here.
>>21803339He doesn't discuss books. That's underage ESL /sffg/ recommendations chart ritualposter. Watch him proceed to flip out and spew buzzwords.
>>21803337Doomposting by doomers who, yes, have nothing else going on in their lives
>>21803339It’s fucking weird whenever people insist that book discussions happen here. Been here for two years and I can scarcely recall being discuss here. Just endless spam here.
>>21803355>DoompostingIs it really doomposting when you scroll up the thread and it's just endless shitposts?
>>21803356Define discussion
>be me, lurking on /sffg/>come across an argument about whether dragons or unicorns would win in a fight>read through the hilarious arguments on both sides>someone brings up the fact that unicorns have a magical horn, while dragons just have a breath weapon>someone else counters with the fact that dragons can fly and breathe fire>thread devolves into an all-out nerd war between dragon and unicorn fans>suddenly realize I'm spending my Saturday night debating the outcome of a mythical creature battle>laugh at the absurdity of it all>decide to make my own contribution to the thread: "Why not both? A dragon-unicorn hybrid would be the ultimate winner.">thread explodes with reactions and responses>realize that, as ridiculous as it may seem, this is why I love being part of the /sffg/ community>go to bed dreaming of dragon-unicorns wreaking havoc in a fantastical world
>>21803355makes sensefucking insane like someone will post screenshot of the general 5 hours ago and act like that is normal behavior
>>21803363>>come across an argument about whether dragons or unicorns would win in a fightPeople here rarely talk about dragons and I can't even remember when unicorn were last mentioned.
>the underage ESL /sffg/ recommendations chart ritualposter is samefagging again.It’s all so tiresome.
>>21803368Most I've seen dragons mentioned was when somebody asked for books that have good dragon depictions, properly having them as noble, majestic, powerful, etc. Turns out there's really not much besides Vainqueur the Dragon lately.
>>21803368>>21803371He was trying to make a point, but failed because /sffg/ is just that shitty.
>>21803370
>>21803370>>21803347I always do get a chuckle out of it him trying so hard denying reality and his samefagging tactics. Just seems strangely weird he's that investing in trying to deceive people here that /sffg/ is good and not a terrible place.
>>21803370Is the ritualposter in the room right now?
>>21800992>lastWarrior Prophet>currentGormenghast, The Golden Fool, Dragons of Autumn Twilight>nextThousandfold Thought
>>21800973Book of the New Sun fits
>>21803363Anon, are you okay? This never happened.
>>21803379>>21803370>>21803347lmaoschizoposting hours
>>21803371>noble>majestic>Vainqueur
>>21803398Yes, yes, everyone sees right through you. Can you just fuck off for a moment.>>21803339>Where'd you go to do this?Same. I want to know if there's an actual place to talk about books. Truly at my wits end with this place.
Real american hours
>>21803359Excuse me but when I funpost it's Art
>>21803367>act like that is normal behaviorYou’re posting on 4chan. Anon, I…
>>21803414Nothing fun about it.
>>21803407why are u posting screenshot?never said it was samefag, take ur meds schizo
>>21803412Not even American hours, retard.
>>21803370I don't think that one is the same but I am beginning to believe that bakkerspammer = your reviews is shit ritualposter = acktually go to goodreads and reddit ritualspammer. Non-fucking stop.
>mfw ritualposter can make schizos have a meltie without even saying nothingI kneel.
>>21803442>go to goodreads and reddit Any other websites for book discussions l? Or just those two?
>>21803421That's cos you have terminal doomer brain>>21803442I'm not sure about bakkerspam but the rest I've thought are a possibility
>>21803442nahthe guy spaming Dungeon Crawler Carl = your review is shit >>21802450Bakkerspammer = go to goodreads and reddit
>>21803458I include the former spammer because he's been banned before and we've seen around 1/4th of all posts disappear in a nearly bump limit thread. Patterns of grandiose spam.
Lol seething incels itt would NOT like to see me use my kung fu (mantis style, crane chop) on they dumb ass. Wuxia reigns supreme.
>>21803467>anon says shit about dungeon crawler carl>your reviews are shitdid the review anon originaly said he didnt liked Dungeon Crawler? bc at the start the retard wouldnt say your reviews are shit, but after sometime he started and never stoppedit all makes sense
>>21803499It's tied for Lord of the Mysteries as his highest-rated one.
>>21803467>the guy spaming Dungeon Crawler CarlThe one spamming about Carl being a cuck every time somebody mentions the book?
>>21803511nope, the one talking about dungeon crawler, makes no sense to the guy saying carl is cuck to call your reviews is shit at someone saying dungeon crawler sucks
Can anyone chart the evolution of fantasy genre from lotr to asoiaf by listing significant works tending towards that pathI guess Guy Gavriel Kay's stuff and Memory, Sorrow and Thorn fit somewhere in there but idk much about this shit
>>21803538Just google it.
>>21803474I haven't been paying close attention but it makes sense that spammers gonna spam
>>21803538Do it yourself.
>>21803538>fantasy started at lotr
Thread reached bump limit, shame the next thread is going to be dogshit.
I want to read Gene Wolfe's books but i have an average IQ and don't have much culture do understand deep references. Will i still be able to enjoy them?
>>21803526I'm not sure which one exactly. I'm one of them and we had a very brief conversation about the series at the end.>>21803562Rev up the "next thread when" rituals.
>>21803550Fantasy as we know it yeahBefore that it was weird shit like Alice In The Wonderland or Arthurian fairy tales>>21803543Google failed me and that's why I'm here>>21803548No
>>21803538I'm not going to do your homework but add the Amber books. GRRM and Zelazny were good friends and gurm obviously took some cues from Z's most popular books
>>21803571And guess who Zelazny briefly worked with and had nothing but good things to say about? The Dick himself.
>>21803545You just know she doesn’t read
>>21803582From everything I've read Zelazny was a super nice guy. He had good things to say about everybody. PKD was clearly a madman but also had foresight and was maybe kind of a genius>>21803603I don't mind at all. I'm extremely shallow when it comes to women
>>21803568>Fantasy as we know it yeah>Before that it was weird shit like Alice In The Wonderland or Arthurian fairy talesThe absolute newfaggotry of this post physically hurts me. This general is fucking trash nowadays.
>>21803412>Real american hours
>>21803626Bro if you don't educate us newfags how can we learnoldfags get old and abandon this place.
>>21803605He was very educated/knowledgable(?) and had all sorts of wild ideas along with an unparalleled insight into the human qualia.He's the only person who could write a cultivation series/novel without a shred of fighting or have it all offscreened.
>>21803654>newfags don't know you're here forever
>>21803692Who you talking about
>>21803799PKD.
I was thinking about Will Wight's next series while in the shower. All we really know is that it will be a space fantasy series, but will it be like Spelljammer, Star Wars, or Star Ocean? It's actually not that far of a leap to go from the high level space travelers of Cradle to a space setting but will it be at that level (and connected to the inevitable shared universe he seems to want to make) or will it be more grounded and separate? desu
>>21803538>https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/75483.Best_Fantasy_of_the_50s>https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/75425.Best_Fantasy_of_the_60s>https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1116.Best_Fantasy_of_the_70s>https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1117.Best_Fantasy_of_the_80s>https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1118.Best_Fantasy_of_the_90s>https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/38609.Best_Fantasy_of_the_2000s
>>21802554>2017?i wonder what books are they reading now.
Can anybody recommend some more ethereal fantasy similar to Dunsany? I'm looking for something that's more concerned with atmosphere and prose, than character or plot. Preferably something modern, but any recs are welcome
>>21802554Me on left
>>21803921>Preferably something modernOrson Scott Card wrote Hart's Hope (1983) as an homage to pre-tolkien fantasy, mainly Dunsany, it's a bunch of connected short stories, similar to Gods of Pegana or Time and the Gods, you could give it a try. and it's not modern but maybe Day of the Minotaur (1966) by Thomas Burnett Swann.
>>21803921The Night Circus Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell
>>21803538Lord Dunsany -> Robert E Howard -> Gormenghast -> The Broken Sword -> Tolkien -> Dune -> Earthsea -> Elric -> Book of the New Sun
>>21803953Thanks m8 haven't read either of these.>>21803956Haven't read The Night Circus. I didn't find JS&MN at all like Dunsany, although I enjoyed it a lot.
>>21801561muh dick
>>21804098Then I assume you've already been recced or read ER Eddison and Gormenghast. What about Tanith Lee's Night's Master or Valente's Girl Who Circumnavigated Fairyland?
>>21804098Circumnavigated Fairyland
>>21800019Does this opening scene grab you?The first light of the day had yet to penetrate the dense forest canopy that shrouded the valley. In the dim light, a group of Maori warriors moved cautiously along the winding path, their weapons at the ready. Among them was Kahu, a renowned warrior and tracker who had been called upon to lead this mission. Their destination was a sacred site deep in the forest, where the spirits of their ancestors were said to reside. It was a place that few dared to approach, for fear of angering the gods. As they approached the clearing, Kahu motioned for the warriors to halt. He raised his hand, and they fell silent, listening intently for any sign of danger. In the center of the clearing stood a towering stone pillar, covered in intricate carvings and symbols that spoke of ancient power. Kahu approached the pillar, his hand resting on the hilt of his mere, a short-handled club, as he spoke in a low voice."Greetings, ancestors," he said. "We have come seeking your wisdom and guidance."There was no reply, but Kahu could feel a presence in the air, a sense of weight and power that made the hairs on the back of his neck stand up. He closed his eyes and focused his mind, reaching out to the spirits with a quiet intensity.For long moments, there was only silence. Then, a faint whisper in his ear, like the rustle of leaves in the wind. Kahu listened intently, suddenly his senses were overwhelmed by a dark and malevolent force that seemed to emanate from the very stones beneath his feet. His mind filled with visions of death and destruction, of war and chaos. Kahu realized with a shock that the sacred site was cursed, the place of power had been corrupted by sin. Tainted by Whiro.He staggered back, gasping for air as he struggled to break free of the curse's grip. The other warriors rushed to his side, their weapons at the ready, but Kahu waved them back. "We must leave this place," he said, his voice hoarse with fear. "The darkness is already upon us.
>>21804284I keep waiting for the punchline
>>21804299Damn, still not punchy enough. Suggestions?
>>21804159I've read both, yep. Haven't read anything by Lee, although she is on the list. As for Fairyland, I tend to stay away from YA/children's stuff.>>21804162As above.
>>21804284Heres how you grab the reader on the first page.
>>21804343>expostulated
>>21804378Aye, a good word.
>>21803282>>21803218Where is the actual interview, though
>>21803147they live there
>>21804412it doesn't exist, you just fell for low tier bait
>>21803371>>21803368The Wandering Inn has the best portrayal of Dragons, majestic, old and wise. And quite stupid at times. Vainquear The Dragon offers a satire, TWI a full spectrum, from seriousness and glory through silliness.Hilariously enough, at the moment there is a Unicorn character in TWI that spends a lot of time with a Dragon, with some strong implication that he could kill Dragons. But the discussion which could kill which is kinda stupid because Unicorns and Dragons are varied in both birth and personal ability. Both are very strong magical species that could fuck you up in myriad of ways.
New thread>>21804518
