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>he wants to write another "war is hell" book
How original
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>writes a book about was being bad
>never actually had any war experience
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>>21795143
What about war is le heckin cool?
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>>21795159
the part where I die brutally
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>>21795143
Women really do be having feet out here, huh?
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*blocks your path*
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>>21795195
Steamy and sweaty ones at that
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how about war is fucking hilarious?
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The only books about war that I want to write about are naval ones
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>>21795534
naval surface combat had to the one of the most exhilarating forms in human existence.
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>>21795143
>school wants us to read another "racism is bad" book
Oh what a unique perspective.
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>>21795195
>see 2 girls sitting out in the open, one of them is barefoot
>I look at her and mentally say "Nice feet"
>come back later and other girl is now barefoot as well
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>>21796028
If you don't think they notice exactly what you're looking at and thinking, then you don't know women. They even know you're looking at their ass, when walking from behind. Don't ask me how, I have no idea, but I've experimentally verified this.
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I like war novels, the idea you can’t portray war as it actually is instead of a video game is a big stupid. War in Greek poetry and drama is almost always tragic and ends in great destruction
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>>21796074
>War in Greek poetry and drama is almost always tragic and ends in great destruction
They're called tragedies for a reason, anon.
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>>21795143
You should write a book about women being the major gender in the military and male captives getting raped instead.
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>>21795143
Anybody here actually served in the military? Why would slaughtering sandniggers at a distance using night vision, drones, etc., like a videogame be le traumatizing?
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>>21796727
>why would slaughtering people like a videogame be traumatizing?
Because it's not a videogame? Retard
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>>21795143
feet
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>>21796727
It's only for some people. Soldiers with PTSD and trauma are a minority. The vast majority of men, once given psychological training, are capable of blowing another man's head off and not feeling much about it. Many can be even less caring- There are tons of stories about soldiers, from any military, seeing the most violent gory shit happen and then making jokes and laughing about it. Not in the hysterical way, but in a calm and casual way. People are correct when they think that your average man would panic or freak out if he ever killed anyone, but what they don't know is that all the average man needs to change that is a few months of training.
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>>21796723
Can’t tell if Indian or African animu gril

Or is she supposed to be from Okinawa?
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>>21795143
I think the group of people that are predisposed to writing books intersects considerably with the group of people that are predisposed to adopt a "war is hell" attitude, whether they've been through it or not. There are not very many Ernst Junger types, that write prolifically and have more complex feelings about it.

That probably comes down to the typical conservative temperament versus something more, for lack of a better term, liberal (optimistic?), especially since the Civil War in the US and World War I in Europe. To experience the reality of modern war and to believe to have found something in it that, despite the horror and desolation, is profoundly positive or worth experiencing, you must have either similarly profound reservations about the notion of civilization in peacetime, or at least the prospect of perpetual peace. Either that or you have to have a reason to fight that you genuinely believe is worth dying for, if only for the chance of furthering that cause.

Neither of those things are very common in the Western world today. In fact, for example, the idea that something might be worth you or me, as an individual, dying for is virtually against every fiber of our individualistic being.

>>21796074
And yet bravery and achievement in battle was the better part of the basis of measurement between different people.
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>>21795159
The parts where you get to shoot things and blow things up.

If you can't appreciate the awesomeness of shit blowing up, then you have no soul.
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>>21796723
If you want to see that, watch a Nazisploitation movie. They were especially popular in Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfvObrJCVTM
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Is there any "peace is hell" book?
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>>21797821
Curb your Enthusiasm
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>>21796723
who is this waifu
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>>21797846
that show aired years ago she'd be legal by now in burgerland
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>>21797821
Dune Messiah / Children of Dune. Maybe God Emperor too depending on your values.
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>>21795159
Ja.
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>>21795143
I've never been able to take "anti-war" kind of people seriously since I realized that it is not war in the abstract sense that they oppose, but wars that they disagree with. Like the Dalton Trumbo types who were anti-war when it meant the american state intervening in communist revolts but were super enthusiastic about smashing the bourgeoisie or le fascists both before and after. That is to say, what people argue isn't whether war is "good" or "bad", but rather which wars are necessary, and which ones aren't. Your average lib may think that he or she is "anti-war" but watch them do an instantaneous 180 when you tell them that there's a fascist revolt undergoing and the military needs to intervene to protect women's rights or some gay shit like that.

Needless to say warfare has been gay as hell since firearms and artillery were invented and I wouldn't ever blame anyone for not wanting to fight on the behalf of any current state, but let's not pretend that being "anti-war" was ever a real thing.
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>>21798249
there are true "anti war" people but they are sitting in a temple in tibet, not writing 500 page books in their long island office about why they think war is bad.

I do have the feeling though that if some of these people who are born rich, sitting around writing books and newspaper articles as they get fat, supporting the war in ukraine, or whatever war like you say "to support women's rights" or to "fight against discrimination", if they would actually put on a uniform and get a gun and go into the middle of the shit with tanks blowing apart buildings around them and having to sprint around dodging bullets and seeing people bleeding to death, then their perspective would change.
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>>21798249
Most people aren’t cool with war because it ends the will to life in people and is often fought for the interests of the few at the top of the chain. There isn’t much that is worth killing over and dying over. There are many other facets of war that negative to those participating. A pro war mentality generally comes from passive daydreamer who have never even been in a fight, let alone a war. A juvenile mindset
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>>21798485
>Most people aren’t cool with war
Currently we have the population of multiple western nations practically begging their governments to prolong a US proxy war in Ukraine at all costs. The general popultion is very much pro war.
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>>21798512
Of course there are people who posture when they have no skin in the game. Ask pro war people to pick up a gun and go out to the front lines and see their reaction
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>>21798485
That depends on what somebody finds worth killing over and dying for. Your generalization is mind-numbingly retarded. War as understood by citizens of Western nations in 2023 is not some sort of enlightened or intelligent view lmao. Pick up a history book.
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>>21798521
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>21798533
A brave warrior appears, ready to risk his fingertips and feelings on the keyboard. It’s all so tiring. Come back to me when you’ve fought battles. It’s hard not to laugh in someone’s face when they thank me for my service
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>>21798565
Tell us about all the battles you fought anon, and how it disillusioned you, and how everyone that thinks different from you is just a keyboard warrior. Fucking retard
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>>21798602
he served six months in kuwait where he ate burger king every day, kneel.
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>>21798602
>>21798636
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
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>>21798602
If you want to be a number turned through a meat grinder, you are perfectly welcome to. I’m not quite sure why you don’t. War is one of the most dehumanizing things one can experience
>>21798551
And? There are pics of people protesting wars too, you know. Plus there is a difference when you are going to fight evil that is threatening to ruin the world
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>>21798565
>>21798648
>most people aren't cool with war, okay?
>it seems like they are
>well yeah but that's just the keyboard warriors, okay?
>what about Ukraine or WW1 or WW2 or virtually every other war
>well yeah but there's a difference when you believe you're fighting for a good cause, okay?
lol
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>>21795159
books for this feel? Starship Troopers?
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>>21798837
Storm of Steel, but it's more ambivalent than just "war is heckin cool"
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>>21798521
"wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?"
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>>21798834
>being blackpilled on war
if you hate it so much if you get conscripted then just kill the first officer above staff sgt that you meet, or blow up an ammo depot, then sodoku
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>>21798485
Post your political stance and tell me the extent you're willing to engage in violence to enact upon these idealizations.
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>>21800356
Violence is never the answer because it is a nigger tier reaction
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>>21795159
the time spent idling about with your buds, playing cards and drinking and reading the classics while bathing in the sun naked. The stress and the horrors of war are only a part of the experience, there is plenty of time for bonding and so on. Perchance...
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>>21796072
elaborate
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>>21797726
If that's all war was, sure, that's pretty cool. Obviously though, it's not. In order for there to be shooting and explosions, there first needs to be something to be shot or blown up, which means that by literal necessity there comes the heavy psychological impact of being exposed to death and killing. The "war is cool" crowd is composed of a handful of genuine psychopath veterans selling a narrative to a bunch of unsophisticated retards who buy it. War isn't cool or heckin fun. It's not the nature of the enterprise. If you want a tangential, superfluous interpretation of combat, go watch John Wick again, or GI Joe.
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>>21798551
Stupid. These people cannot be compared, not even a little bit, to 21st century first-worlders. They are much, much tougher than us. Their lives were significantly harsher, and they had much greater tolerance to stress and violence. First-worlders are lazy, worthless babies compared to them. The entire reason any thoughts of a revolution ever happening are completely retarded nowadays is because the modern westerner is a weak, soft retard too drugged up on electronics to EVER take any real action. Totally incomparable to the men in your picture.
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>>21801000
Eh, that's what people have been saying literally forever. Look at the people that readily enlisted after 9/11. I agree that things have changed for the worse in this respect hence all the worrying about low enlistment, but that would change pretty quickly if we were to go to war, especially if we had a good reason.

There's a section in Storm of Steel where Junger talks about how young the recruits are in his platoon. He mentions how hard it was for them all to adjust to military life at first, before all the fighting, "because most of us had only a passing experience of real work." Not really the type of people that are significantly tougher and used to a significantly harsher world
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>>21800469
>>21800469
The problem attributing everything to someone selling a narrative is that you forget the reality that sometimes people fight for a good reason. Take Ukraine, right now, for example. Were the people fighting there just sold a narrative?

Do you think there are no people that are fighting in Ukraine that have learned something through war that is worth knowing? Or experienced something positive? I'm not saying that war, especially modern war, is good just for the sake of it, and I don't mean to downplay the brutality and destruction. But the reality is more complex than just "hurr war bad never anything worthwhile in it." One because that's wrong, and two because it's pretty unlikely we'll ever get rid of it, and unless you have a profoundly naive assessment of human nature, the notion of what a real world looks like that doesn't wage war should give us pause.
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>>21801768
>the notion of what a real world looks like that doesn't wage war should give us pause

That's what will happen though and you're right, it should give us pause. Jehovah will end all of men's wars. All of the faithful followers of his son Jesus Christ will enjoy eternal life on a paradise Earth. There will be no wars and man will live in harmony.
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>>21802714
Until that time I mean, you JW cultist
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Bump
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>>21796727
I killed 3-5 people in Afghanistan
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>Were the people fighting there just sold a narrative?
yes
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>>21801768
>Ukraine
they are just fighting for ZOG while their women betray them
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>>21795143
There's a character archtype I really like that I can't place a really good example of. Bittenfeld from LOTGH maybe.

"I would never order my men to do something I wouldn't do myself."
Except the guy saying that is the sort of person who would frontally charge a pike formation alone if his boss told him to. So his troops suffer massive casualties constantly. He always survives because of course he does, but is puzzled that everyone thinks he's an asshole.
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>war is hell meme is only ever written by fags who never really experienced combat
>war is fun authors all have a scary amount of real life experience with it

reading lots of war books, im starting to think that war might be the ONLY way out of boredom and quiet despair for your average male poorfag living in this rigged system that wants you to eat ze bugz
is war gonna put a 25 year old female corporate boss with gender studies to dictate your life and pronouns? are frontline troops getting pulled back to attend seminars on how their language could theoretically hurt feelings of some jews and trans kids?

im starting to think that hormonally, adrenaline wise, average congo child soldier mogs average westoid corporate drone when it comes to thrills, happiness, excitement and joy of living life, not feeling numb, not consooming anti depressants and microplastics filled diabetes, self censonrship, etc etc

congo child soldier lives more fully than the sterile office drone, even when you factor in that candle burning twice as bright burns half as long
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>>21804095
>pic
god I hope so
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>>21804119
Maybe but you can't blame them for defending their country.
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>>21798551
He's talking about Republican chickenhawks from 2001 until 2016.
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>>21795159
>What about war is le heckin cool?

The logistics at such scale.
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>>21798551
US volunteer rate for WW2 was fairly low at only about 38% and that's when you were likely to end up drafted anyway so there was pressure to volunteer for better treatment.
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>is war gonna put a 25 year old female corporate boss with gender studies to dictate your life and pronouns?
>are frontline troops getting pulled back to attend seminars on how their language could theoretically hurt feelings of some jews and trans kids?
Haven't kept up with the US army have you?
They have even more DEI bullshit than most jobs and unlike others you don't get the option to leave.
Women and stuck-up promote-only-each-other minorities are getting fast-tracked upward as well.
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>no one talking about war beyond plebbitors on /k/ and /pol/
>US suddenly puts out non-anti white adverts and wants whitey to go to die for them and every board suddenly starts getting thinly-veiled recruiter threads
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>>21805213
I mean he was talking about Congo soldiers. Maybe he's going to go to Africa and pledge loyalty to some warlord.
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>>21796727
its not. but most people who joined only enlisted bc they didn't know what they wanted to do in life, so its le traumatizing for those fellas
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>>21795143
All war books boil down the same. War is bad and you should feel bad about it
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Nowadays it's more like "war is gay". Like, seriously, think it over.

Would your average normie feel any real allegiance towards or belief in whoever they would fight on the behalf of? No, not really. Like who in their right mind would want to fight for globohomo?

What about the experience itself? Firearms, artillery, landmines, and aerial bombardment have made it gay beyond words. You're not fucking Achilles challenging Hector to a 1-on-1 melee duel anymore. You're some grunt getting instagibbed by artillery fire from dozens of miles away or some poor retard who gets stuck under rubble after a bombardment and die in excruciating pain.

And for what purpose would anyone want to do it nowadays? Back in the day you could get money, land, women, and respect if you were lucky and were on the side of the winners. Money and respect, at the very least. Nowadays you're not getting any of that. Certainly not land or women.
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>>21795484
Just read Catch-22
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>>21795143
seggs :DDDD
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>>21807786
Normals, Discordfags, Redditroons, and Nintendo Switch playing soiguzzlers are dying to fight in a war against the forces of "fascism." They are bloodthirsty vicious orcs thrashing and gnashing their jaws to take a flea sized bite out of Russia, and they don't need patriotism for that. Secular Liberal state-propaganda is extremely robust.
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anime girl books
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>>21804088
You're a batt boy I assume. Which one were you at?
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>>21795143
I started Men at Arms, it was unbearable.
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>sign up for the military in early 20s
>now scared of fireworks and sudden movements
many such cases
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>>21808665
Redditroons and so forth only "support" Ukraine insofar as they can do it from the comfort of their own basements. They cheer on the war because they don't even feel it in their wallets. The anti-Russian alliance enjoys such a degree of material and economic superiority that it can punch out Putin's sorry excuse of an army with barely more than cold-war leftovers and its regular peacetime defense budget. If the war actually impacted the quality of life in the west and led to real shortages, you'd have those same redditors angrily demanding peace talks.
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>>21808822
Join the Army at 18
deploy to Afghanistan 5 times and stack bodies, experience combat.(you'll NEVER understand literature like I do pseud.)
engineering degree
3000 a month for PTSD in perpetuity
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>>21796072

Probably feels really good actually. Have you ever won a fight or humiliated somebody who sucked? Almost everyone sucks in the middle east. And making their head pop must be orders of magnitude more fun and hilarious
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>>21809241
I don't think so. They might blubber once the reality of war blows up in their face, but I think they'd genuinely fight to preserve their LGBTQ+ buttfucking alliance.
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>>21798249
pretty much. even chomsky and some of the other HECKIN RADICALS were dick riding the khmer rogue and pol pot for a while
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>>21795143
>he wants to write another cute and funny feet book
UUUOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH



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