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>>21292894First for R. Scott Bakker
>>21292894Didn't post The Wandering Inn for some time, can as well do it now.Volume 9 has been pretty damn good so far, no more excessive PoV jumping, focus is back on the Inn and Liscor. It's everything a hungry TWI reader might want from life.
The Citadel of the Autarch, The Book of the New Sun #4 - Gene Wolfe (1983)The Book of the New Sun functions on many levels. It excels at being a work of fiction, a cult classic memetic troll puzzle, and in-universe propaganda. As a fictional autobiography it doesn't fare as well. That may be irrelevant to its purpose, though it did frustrate me. Severian writes his account from how he felt and what he knew at the time and rarely provides any context or commentary. There would be far less mystery if that were the case and as a work of fiction it would be far less compelling. As a work of fiction, if word choice is ignored, and only a naïve surface level reading is considered, I believe it can still be enjoyed. When I call it a meme or a troll, I don't mean that derogatorily. I believe it to be in a way similar to Finnegans Wake, House of Leaves, or The Helmet of Horror. They're puzzles, but they're also traps. A person who has been kidnapped and doesn't realize it likely won't be concerned, and neither will a reader who actively works towards their own entrapment. The use of this as propaganda relies primarily on the criterion of embarrassment, a method of critical analysis used by biblical scholars to ascertain how probable it was that the events occurred. I think this was intentional by both Wolfe and Severian. It provides quite the convincing narrative as to why everything should be as it is and why it ought to continue as such. From nothing to everything, while also being a chosen one, it has mythmaking ideas to appeal to many. The process of there being a new Autarch reminds me of a combination of an idealized succession of the Dalai Lama and The Hero's Journey.Severian continues to meander, though the purposes of him doing so are revealed. A lot is revealed, perhaps too much too quickly even. Severian's transfiguration really accelerates towards the end and he lays it on especially thick as the book concludes, to where even as the narrator he seems to wonder at its plausibility. Even so, many of my far-reaching speculations from the first book have been left unresolved, though perhaps The Urth of New Sun, the rest of the Solar Cycle, or other relevant writings of Wolfe may clarify matters. It's not the fault of the author that they aren't able to accommodate all possible theories that burble forth. I think Wolfe tried to do so. The story seems like an outline designed for a reader to pick out details, connect them, and then extrapolate to create their own preferred conclusion. This makes for a great basis for fandom, though certainly not one with widespread appeal. I have far more speculations now than I did at the beginning, but not anywhere enough interest to devote myself to secondary sources. What I've written isn't even an outline of my thoughts, but it'll have to suffice, as I won't descend the slippery slope doing so would require.Rating: 4/5
>>21293128Come on man
>>21293101This is a spoiler for The Lost Metal. You really ought to at least mention which book you're taking about because otherwise it makes the spoiler almost irrelevant.It just wasn't meant to be. Can't have every character from ever book doing stuff forever and in every other book. It's a shame, but that's how it went. Probably mostly because his ability was so powerful.
>>21293133If you want to discuss, we can. I don't write these to discuss what happens. That's something separate. There's some discussion on the books in my GR review.
>>21293101this was a gay spoiler to accidentallyfuck man he's my favorite cosmere
>>21293139Fair enough, deleted the post.
>>21293163I will eventually. I don't know when, but you provide motivation for me to continue.>>21293201You can repost mentioning which book.
>>21293196For me, it's Marsh, but fuck me he's even more useless than Harmony
>>21293229I'm around 80% through at the moment but I was disappointed when he was all posture during his appearance. I understand it but sad to see.
>>21293211>only drive is to annoy people on 4chanJesus Christ what a pathetic existence
Is "The mists of Avalon" good? I still haven't read anything about Matiere de Bretagne and I don't know where to start.
>>21293128What do you want to discuss?
>>21293084>female mcI'm sorry. I gave an honest try, but I can't handle it. I simply cannot relate to women at all.
>LotM book 1 ending Holy fucking kino. It was so sad to see the siblings suffering and clown Klein giving flowers to Melissa :(
>>21293468>relate to a character memeNGMI. You are not ready for serious reading. Only children read to relate.
>>21293468Probably why you’re alone huh
>>21293493He's not going to make it because Wandering Inn is a shit book. It has nothing to do with the female MC, a well written book can be enjoyed no matter the gender of the protagonist.
Finished Tales of Dying EarthDying Earth - 7/10 really decent classic collection of shorts but falls off next the endThe Eyes of the Overworld/Cugel's Saga - 9/10 honestly I wouldn't have minded another 50 books about Cugel he's hilariousRhialto the Marvellous - 8/10 I love the presentation of magic in this one. Wizards are basically just scholars without any supernatural abilities, but they're all extremely good at jewish lawyering and draw their spells by verbally convincing various all-powerful, but intellectually stunted demons to serve them for abstract "indenture points".
>>21293442There's nothing other than what I wrote that I'm putting forward for now, but I will discuss what's presented by others. I'm not going to say much about it until I've read Urth of the New Sun and some other material. I'm currently busy so I'll be slow to reply.
Greg Egan being decades ahead of his time on science fiction as well as social issues like gender and diversity, but still using the term "Caucasian" to refer to white people is peak comedy, simply apex kekkery.
Why are 'booktubers' so obsessed with normie shit like Sandersoi? Is there a single channel with decent taste in fantasy, who will review any 19th and 20th century fantasy and not just suck the dick of whatever is the current flavour of the month?
>>21293615Because making money on YouTube is all about churning the same entry level shit non-stop.
>>21293612>ahead of his time on science fiction >as well as social issues like gender and diversity,kek being ahead means not even having garbage like social issues gender and diversity. Bringing this garbage to sf is an indication of a shitty author.
>>21293615Because booktube is for women with teenage tastes and faggot groomers. Whic one are you?
>>21293753in my heart i am a woman
>>21292902>First for R. Scott Bakker
>>21293709Well you know, I'm not even faulting him for that, I just got a lot of enjoyment from the subtle hypocrisy there. Cause he does some funny stuff too.He's even doing the "African science" thing, makes it a minor plot point. The leading theoretical physicist on a Theory of Everything is an African woman. There are anti-science groups, and one of them sends a celebrity journalist to her press conference who's kind of like a radical feminist (not exactly, ideologically, but a similar personality type). And she publicly calls out the physicist saying that the drastic rise in African scientists and prize winners doesn't bear statistical scrutiny, implying that they didn't earn their success, which causes a minor scandal. I agree with you, I can see too much of Egan's worldview in his novel. But honestly I think he's good with it. Even with this social stuff, he has to be fairly impressively far-seeing to depict it in this way. Distress was published in 1995, it feels like it could've been written yesterday.He seems to be very good at what he does which is writing essays on a variety of speculative science topics disguised as narrative. My only gripe is that there are so many of them it feels like detours when I want him to get back to the plot of a strange new communicable mental illness.
>>21293128>in-universe propagandaMore books like this?
>>21293133>>21293163>>21293287Not him. but why does this review bother you so much? You sound like a PMS-ing teenage girl. Would you rather this slow general continue in its corpselike state, consisting of boring, one-sentence replies?
>>21293900Well, technically any written account by an author about themselves or others is going to be at least somewhat propagandistic. Too Like The Lightning's frame story is that it's highly regulated propaganda. The War for the Rose Throne is about the author/protagonist's rise to power. Joe Abercrombie has a short story that's literally in-universe propaganda. I've read several works of short fiction that that have that kind of theme. I'm sure there's a lot else. There's currently four political oriented books listed for the month. That's somewhat propagandistic.
Read his books
>>21293881>Even with this social stuff, he has to be fairly impressively far-seeing to depict it in this way. Distress was published in 1995, it feels like it could've been written yesterday.Colleges were wokist breeding grounds in the early 90s. There is new in the culture now that wasn't there then. Everybody was looking for good boy points by injecting browns and women where they didn't belong.
>>21293615For the same reasons film critics make videos about blockbusters instead of reviewing neorealism italian films. one gives you a million views in less than a month, the other gives 30,000 views in a year.
>>21293615>Is there a single channel with decent taste in fantasy, who will review any 19th and 20th century fantasyYou must be knee deep in pussy
>>21294041They any good?
>>21292894I swear they put some addictive substances in the grungy old page smell since as soon as you start reading it because it just goes from there and before you know it you're a fanatic on he hunt for more of the edgy cat books of dubious at best quality.
Picked up the first books in the Riverworld and World of Tiers series today. Which should I read first. Any fans of either series here?
>>21294630>Which should I read firstWorld of Tiers is more action packed, Rice Burroughs-styleRiverworld is more slowpaced. i like both
Can someone recommend some good Sword & Sorcery authors, or should I just stick to Robert E. Howard?
>>21293293I hated it. Morgaine was a whiny bitch ass and everything happening was misery porn. I dropped it at the halfway mark. Maybe it gets better in the last 450 pages but I doubt it. Mists is from 1983. Read the old shit like Chrétien de Troyes and Wolfram von Eschenbach and Thomas Mallory
>>21293084Is the first volume rewrite almost done?
This was already boring and now he’s reading a book in the book and it’s so much more fucking boring
>>21294866>chinki don't think so.
>>21294785Ended up pretty much skimming the book passages and then things immediately got interesting again after. Home stretch.
I finished The Lost Metal. I will not remember any of the ending breadcrumbs by the time we get Mistborn modern or anything else during the SA5-SA6 gap.big ol' rip, what a goddamn HERO
>>21294947comfy book enjoyer based
Hey anyone read/heard expeditionary forces? anything similar?
>>21295287The only thing I know about Expeditionary Force is that a friend recommended it and said after the second book it stops time skip fuckery. Is it any good?
>>21295307It's not good. Barely any sci fi is good. At least not the kind you'd find here.I don't care being labeled a snob, Dotoievsky is good, Shakespeare is good, Kerouac is good, BORGES is good. This is shit, a shit slurpee, like worst than fast food equivalent.But it gets the job done.None of this is good literature, you can barely call it that, what it is, is ENTERTAINING
>>21295376Phillip K dick or Stanislav Lem is good science fiction. The level of fucking faggots who absolutely butcher the english language with their 2yo tier fantasy about little green man to compensate the fact that they can't get laid is enough to send any self respecting reader into a berserker rage.But i'll be damned if it isn't the best entertainment to listen to while on the gym
>>21294947Peak comf.>>21295237Based comfy-alpha.>>21292894Babel-chads how is the readthrough going? Threadly reminder to all comfy-enjoyers to check out the Tower of Babel quadrilogy by Bancroft
>>21295381You want a medal or something?
>>21295416def not from you haha. Just making clear what i want, because sometimes people who never read a book confuse the two.They go like "oh you like sci fi? check out Billy shitpants agains the evil empire of shitty cliches part 8: the shittening".And im like, oh okey is it fun? and they go like "its like super interesting because the characters...AND THEN I STOPPED LISTENING, because there will never be something interesting about these shits, never interesting , fun yes, fun a lot. Like videogamse, its fun just entertainment and fun, when you want something else go look somewhere else.So all that being said,any books like expeditionary force? nice space opera realistic but light hearted?
is the three body problem any good? started reading it and sounded like anti chinese propaganda. I don´t mind fair criticism to chinese history but i want to read a novel not a pamplhet.
>>21295505It's a book about a loner kid who goes to magic school and gets stuck in a time loop, learning more about the world, magic, his classmates, his family, etc. in the process of trying to break free.
>>21295527>loner kid who goes to magic schoolwhat kind of magic school? like harry potter style?
>>21295559I guess? It reads as more like a unversity specializing in magic
>>21293529Songs of Dying Earth has a few Cugel stories if you want more. Although only Grolion of Almery and The Green Bird really nail Vance's style and Cugel's character
>>21295570but how does it function in the novel universe, everyone knows theres magic or is it a secret? if its a secret how does he reaches it?
>>21295581It's a fantasy setting but with wizards and trains
>>21295585Holy shit, you don't realize how pathetic this makes you sound?. Like aren't you ashamed of this? So you just read random shit all of the time? you don't find out if it's good before or if it might interest you? you don't talk to anyone? you never noticed this is a problem? you must read like a ton of shit and a ton of shit that even you don't like.Forget it kid, if someone like you likes it i know all i need about it
>>21295632There's a number of posters on /sffg/ who don't want people discussing books. Sad!
>>21295593>>21295649thank you sane anon
So, I've been reading Tamer: King of Dinosaurs in a spate of boredom, but something really bothers me about this. I can accept the "Abducted by Aliens and dumped on Dinosaur world" plot, I can accept having Dinosaurs from vastly different time periods all stuffed together. After all, Aliens. I can accept that the aliens give all the characters some sort of cybernetic implant, or his presentation of Carnosaurs as a pack hunter (it's not really what you would expect but it's at least plausible).But I absolutely cannot accept the ecology as described. Simply put, there's way too many fucking carnivores. The protagonist sets up base in a valley. It's roughly 6 square miles, with a river running through it and a lagoon somewhere in the middle.In this valley, by the middle of book 3, he's encountered hundreds of small flying carnivores, 20+ Deinonychus, 20+ Utahraptors, 3 gigantic Crocodiles, no fewer than EIGHT Carnosaurs, and 3 Allosaurs. That is simply far too many predators for a single valley. I could actually accept 8 Carnosaurs given that the author writes them as pack hunters, but they would be chasing all the other predators out of their range. An apex predator of that size should claim at least the entire valley for itself, but a PACK of them should claim at least a hundred square miles as their own. It's simply not plausible that there's so many apex predators in such a small space.
>>21295696had a similar feeling reading a post apoc book the other day.Critters evolved into monsters by radiation in just afew hundred years? well... ok, super unrealistic but ill go with it.But why the fuck is everything just a giant carnivorous version of a normal animal, that's just lazy, there would have to be at least something that isn't carnivorous how does it work if not
>>21295701I get you. I think it's a BIT easier to accept in that cause because they're explicitly not natural creatures right? If they were meant to be evolved, natural predators then they should act like natural predators. At least horrible mutants have an excuse I suppose?But yeah, too many authors fall into the trap of making every animal just a cartoon monster rather than an actual functional animal.
>>21295706It's also a variation of getting carried away by rule of cool and making either the villains or the heroes ultra op. Like if the villains/heros are super incredibly powerful and fearful how the fuck is there conflict.They do this not only with quality but quantity also. Like first creature they run into is "ohmygod so mighty and terrifying" except the second one is "oh my god even more powerful".Repeat this 10.000 times, and by then the heroes have a strict unbreakable plot armor, by whcih you ask both, how the fuck are they alive, or maybe none of this creature is actually shit.In a nutshell, these writers feel like littl eboys who are finding out why writing is hard and requires a sense of pacing amongst so many other things.
I got Do androids dream of electric sheep, martian time slip, UBIK, three stigmata and a scanner darklyWhich one should I start with?
100 days until Lord of Mysteries 2. I'm so hyped bros.
>>21295193>sleep>wake up>feel bad because of Wayne dyingfeels genuinely awfulwhat a melancholic book
A physical copy of Nifft the Lean is expensive on eBay. Heard it's worth reading though.
>>21295696What else have the aliens been stocking that valley with, though?
Anyone read these?
>>21296061I was tempted to read it but the reviews were a bit turn off
>>21296061>A broken man, Khraen awakens alone and lost. His stone heart has been shattered, littered across the world. With each piece, he regains some small shard of the man he once was. He follows the trail, fragment by fragment, remembering his terrible past.>There was a woman.Description doesn't sound great.Embark on an epic journey to collect your broken soul only to become a whiteknight once again.
Okay so this is pretty bad. Elderly cat lady accidentally visits the vape n game store where the old pet shop used to be and is mistakenly isekaied to a new life as a dungeon core in a fantasy realm. Aside from the occasional smile from a cat-v-adventurer battle, it's just not funny. A premise with no real payoff.
>>21296237>what is the book cover>what is the filename>what is the first sentence
>>21296243/lit/ doesn't read, remember?
Shill me some decent self-pub SFF. I want decent prose, maybe literary crossover. I'll forgive a lack of editing only because I know how expensive it is. Standalones preferred. With all the gatekeeping I think it's time we talk more about the hidden gems out there, stuff that has little reason to not be trad pubbed.
Any more input on that dark souls book? I just heard one anon say it’s okay
>>21296334I really hated this book
>>21294626I like her depiction of dogs, especially their inner thoughts. Not that I personally agree with 'em btw.
>>21296326goodreads reviews seem to indicate its mediocre at best.
Am I being filtered, or was Suzanna Clarke seriously in need of a decent editor when she was writing JS&MN? Jesus, I don't need to know about the daily routine of a minister's daughter's favourite servant for 30 pages
>>21296326It's an original story.
>>21296401You are being filtered. Just drop it.
>>21296411Fuck it, I'm over 200 pages in. I'll push through.
>>21294041What the hell is up with this guy's face? It's like right in the edge of being normal and dysgenic due to incest all at once.
>>21294041this guy has awful taste
how the fuck are sranc a threatthey're skinny 100lb weaklings with stone clubs
>>21296401It gets good after the faeriesbegin to fuck with Black and Mrs Pole
>>21296334This is like Conan tier "everyone who encounters the protagonist is a slavering or fawning subhuman" tier. But without any of Howard's strong prose. Seriously, its one of those books were everyone who sides against the protagonist is functionally retarded.
>>21296543There are a lot of them and they reproduce very quickly. Millions vs only hundreds of thousands of men. Doesn't matter if the humans are far superior qualitatively, they get worn down by endless sranc hordes over the course of the Ordeal.
>>21296543Strength in numbers. Utter depravity and lack of personal regard for their lives/nil ethical code.
>>21296326Just read pyresouls apocalypse instead.
>>21296478his right eye is lazy
How are the other super sale on superheroes books after the first one? I've heard the quality goes down quite a bit
>>21296889finally a decent chart, thanks!
>>21296543Sranc is a very fitting creature to serve as a weapon of Consult. They're organic Von Neumann machines, simple war tool designed for self-sufficiency and spreading itself everywhere. Kellhus fucked up thinking that he can thin their numbers through scalping when he probably didn't even begin to dent their actual numbers.
>>21296239That's too bad. Everyone has book/movie ideas but it's all about the execution
>>21296889It would take a genuine brain dead shut in moron to put Dying Inside that low
>>21296889>Prydain and Belgariad>D tierDumb. These are excellent YA series and books you should Give to kids to develop their love for reading. They're supremely comfy to revisit as an adult. Comparing it to Gormenghast is purely wtf
>>21292894Okay anons, I'm going to read Malazan, this shit might take a bit. Any tips or comments before I get into this?
>>21297141It has really cheesy names.
>>21295901is it a direct sequel or what
“The Lost Heir” Or “Clueless Dragon Children Bumble Their Way into ASO&F’s Dynastic Politics.”Am still on my tear through this series and while I did bring it up as a joke at the start I do think the ASO&F comparison is warranted. First book had a pinch of court politics on top but this puts it front and center with it being a standalone plot rather than an ensemble like in the first book since the other dragon MCs can’t swim like a fish and stay sidelined. It's reading level tilts a little to young to be bread and butter Young Adult The dragonets talk like kids, their conversations being peppered with "Awesome!"s or FULLCAPS for EMPHASIS. If you’ve got no patience for a murder mystery plot then this probably won't be for you because the whole book is on the slow side with the cover art dragon Tsunami talking with the local palace dragons to wring out lore details to the audience with the book being all about conspiracy and assassinations with the war portion only coming to their gates by the end prompting the dragonets to ditch the palace as runaways again with talks of going to the rainforest.4.25 for #1 Dragonet Prophecy.4.50 for #2 Lost Heir.
>>21296610Writing is not actually bad, the story and characters are also not bad.
>>21297386>I'm so mad online!
>>21297386I love you to. Anyways next the hidden kingdom.
>>21293293No. I've erased it from memory after stopping but the first 100 pages read like twilight
>>21295696>Tamer: King of DinosaursIs it good? I know it's a harem genre classic already, but I heard something about it having no sex scenes. Is it true? I am an erotica reader and like harems because good authors are able to write fun and enjoyable sexual relationships with many interesting types of women, but I genuinely cannot imagine reading a harem story that doesn't have sex scenes, unless it's some high-literature stuff focused on characters.Like, reading Harem books WITHOUT sex scenes is more degenrate than reading it for smut, you are literally just reading about a guy having multiple relationships, in a poor prose. I can forgive smut writers a lot as long as they write good smut, but writing smut without smut? This is degeneracy. I am unnerved by those harem books.
>>21297348More Wings of Fire reviews please, I love Dragons and want to know if it's worth reading. I don't mind if it's for children/YA because I'm developmentally stunted, and also because I'm learning to write to mindful observation of different kinds of prose is important.
LOOKS LIKE MEAT'S BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS
>>21292894Why dont you like it? So far its comfy
>>21297564Poot wracu just wanted a lil cunny…
>>21297564How do I get a cute judging eye gf? haha asking for a friend
>>21297842Read Fall too. You can skip the last two, but if you do read them take a break first.
>>21297920dont listen to this fagboi. Read all four, they're all great. Also read Orphans of the Helix afterwards
>>21297842Don't listen to these fagbois >>21297920>>21297926 . The first one alone is meditative and mystical. The sequels are genre trash. Now I love genre trash, but not when it shits on something really good.
>>21296889It's weird that Clarke's least popular book is the only one of her's on there.
>>21297918Become a mad aging sorcerer alone in the wilderness
Ah yes the brainlet thread. It's been a while since I have said hello. How do you do this lovely morning, brainlets?
>>21297992Just overflowing with gratitude that you have condescended to shine your wisdom down on us, anon.
>>21297222It is a direct sequel but with a different mc
>>21297942Last book is more "meditative and mystical" than the first
Need some good Norse mythology fantasy books bros
>>21298092The last of the Renshai
>>21298223Sell me on it
>>21298088For sure.I think I might have it mixed up, but at the end they set it up so that The Shrike stands like a tombstone over Martin's grave, but doesn't he have to take Aenea back in time after her and Raul's two years is up?
Anyone have any recs for modern takes on lovecraftian horror? Read Peter Clines's threshold series, hoping for something in the same vein
What other series do the Bakkerfags enjoy? Have heard there’s large overlap with the Malazan base.
>>21298243Given that it's a machine that transcends spacetime, I don't see why it has to be stuck there for eternity. There are also many other iterations of it out there
>>21298268It seemed like it wanted to, it was his muse after all.
>Read Kingmaker, Kingbreaker>Mom character dies at the end>Read Tears of Artamon>Mom character dies at the end>Read Sunrunner Saga>Mom character dies at the endI'm tired of seeing moms die, does anyone know a fantasy series where the mom (adopted or blood related) makes it to the end?
>>21298395Read Chronicles of the Black Gate
>>21292902>want to read Thousandfold Thought>can't find a copy of the good cover version instead of the shitty face versionFUCK!
>>21298399It just gets tiring to see them drop like flies. it's worse when they are actually strong characters but they have to die for plot reasons.>>21298403Sounds good. thanks, anon.>Kindle Edition, 3454 pagesThat should keep me entertained for a while.
>>21298475>3454 pagesIs that, like, a compilation book of all of the entire series or what.
>>21298479it's 5 books so must be the whole series
>>21298479>Is that, like, a compilation book of all of the entire series or what.Yes>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59128355-chronicles-of-the-black-gate
>>21295527What book is this?
Any ongoing series that are good? Other than ASOIAF
>>21298498Ah, neat. Is it actually any good? I've read Bastion by the same author and that was... Fine. 6 or 7/10.
Talk me out of rereading Era 2 books two and three, mainly for the Wayne scenes, which I've wanted to do since I read them when they released. I have no pressing book to read currently in my backlog and I may as well go for it.
>>21298503mother of learning
I'm considering starting to read Cradle again
>>21298546For me? It's Little Blue!
>>21298559I do sort of wonder WHERE it goes from here, that it can all finish with the next book. I know Cradle's pretty fast-paced, but unless it's at least Wintersteel-tier in length, it feels like we just won't have enough to finish it all.
so I'm reading pic related. it's good. alot of fantasy is overly serious, this is a welcome reprieve.
>>21298567It feels like it boils down to Bloodline basically feeling like half-filler. You could've cut down Reaper and Bloodline and make them one book, I feel. Then again, Skysworn exists and nothing fucking happens in that one.
Is the three body problem just anti chinese propaganda or is there more to it?
>>21298531Didn't some dickhead of an author copyright the term 'System' and then send legal threats to other litrpg writers?
>>21298576cringe away, I'm enjoying it and having fun. what is the last book you read that was just fun to read?
>>21298640it’s almost as if you can just google it to confirm your suspicions instead of waiting for others to validate them.
>>21295519>>21298635Why do you keep asking this shit in every thread? Don't you ever get tired?
>>21298517My nephew, who is like 3 years old, already knows what picture books he likes. Whenever my brother or my sister-in-law gets the wrong picture book, he gets the one he likes. I’m wondering what went wrong with you that you need anonymous internet strangers to make a simple decision a toddler could make.
>>21298646second time i asked this question in my entire life, and the other time was also in this thread.But if you're only going to humillate yourself please don't bother, you're too pathetic to be funny.Any serious person wants to answer the original question?
>>21298641 Akiko-san to Issho #27
>>21298640No, it was System Apocalypse specifically, which was used to refer to this sort of LitRPG subgenre of "suddenly Earth is thrust into a LitRPG setting, apocalyptic shit happens", etc.
>>21298659> Any serious person wants to answer the original question?Have you tried reading the books? You yourself stated that you’ve started reading them, why not finish it to get the answer.
>>21298403>read a shitty elric ripoff by someone whose never even read elricno thanks
>>21298663ahh you're that guy. please get a trip so you can be filtered. No one is interested in your opinion. Probably not even yourself as you're clearly acting as retarded as possible on purpose, there's no other explanation
>>21298659>Any serious person wants to answer the original question?If I copy and paste a goodreads review, will you go away? Or at least, stop your retardation? Because I can’t phantom waiting an entire day for an answer I could have searched up in five minutes.
>>21298659>Any serious person wants to answer the original question?Check the archives, its been discussed to death.
>>21298648what is your problem lmao
>>21298566>>21298566Baldree is the perfect encapsulation of everything that's wrong in the progression fantasy genre. Not only a shit writer but a shit audio book narrator too. Failing upwards has ruined fantasy as a genre, as we can see by the goodread awards or this year's Hugos. I curse YOU and everyone else that reads this book.
>>21297512I wouldn't say it's good, but it's also not bad enough that I've dropped it yet. It gets sidetracked too often with meaningless action that doesn't serve any purpose. When it's actually focusing on the plot, it's interesting enough. It seems like the ayys were selecting people based on a certain criteria that the protagonist is trying to figure out.The more interesting parts are the interactions between the different people. The protagonists group aren't the only, or the biggest group of survivors, and most of the other abductees were some sort of warrior or killer.Honestly the plot is basically Predators (the one with Tom Brady) except the predators are replaced with Dinosaurs.As far as south goes, it exists but isn't a focus. To be fair it makes complete sense in universe, the characters rarely have any privacy because they're all stuck inside a hastily constructed wooden stockade fort most of the time.I'd give it like a 4/10based on what I've read so far (just started book 5), with the caveat that it's gotten better as I've read more.
>>21298664it's not elric
>>21298673I can't believe you're not ashamed of existing, even in anonimity. For real. Read what you write. Think about what you say. Think anon, your time on earth is limited and when you actually go out into the world if you act like this you get shot down. I mean don't make it easy for people like me to absolutely mog you in a discussion and shun you out of your social group, must have happened to you a trillion times. Seriously i'm trying to help, there is such a thing as tough love. Next time you're just gonna get a "lol ok retard">>21298676ah thank you, i'll do just that
>>21298648:| if it's a good read or not
>>21298692All that to just say yes, here you go. I was sold on this book by some people who compared it to the masterpieces of Western sci-fi by authors such as Heinlein (indeed, one person specifically compared Liu to Heinlein!). Let me be clear right away: this is as far from truth as it can possibly be. By the standards of sci-fi as I know it (and I am a prolific reader of books, especially from the "golden age" period - Asimov, Heinlein, Le Guin, Shekley etc), this rates poor on pretty much any count.First things first. This is not hard sci-fi, nowhere eve near, despite what you may have read in other reviews. This is more like what a person comes up with after reading a lot of pop sci-fi books, and blindly applying the concepts as if they were magic spells to wow the audience. I mean, an integrated circuit etched out on a surface of an elementary particle stretched out to macroscopic proportions, really? The amount of facepalm in that single concept (which, mind you, is one of the key plot devices, to which alone several pages of the book are devoted!) is staggering. But the rest of the physics in this are along the same lines - it's not that there's a lack of accurate stuff, but where it exists, it's for things that we already know full well. But all of the fictitious physics in the book ranges from "hmm?" to "WTF, this is not how it can possibly work at all".The story is surprisingly non-engaging. I mean, there is a plot, but it is very unconvincing, and kinda limps along, at a very slow pace that doesn't seem to be justified by anything other than the desire of the author to wax poetic (which he's not good at, but that's the next point). It's all very tedious because it's pretty much impossible to establish an emotional connection to any of the characters, much less put oneself in their shoes - they're all so wooden and shallow. Most of the supporting characters are outright living cliches, and all of the main ones get only as much attention as is needed for them to move the story onward in the desired direction.When looking at the plot abstractly, ignoring the character dynamics, it's not really any better. It honestly feels like something a junior school student would come up with upon the first exposure to sci-fi. It is also a very much an "idiot plot" that would fall apart in an instant if only the entire universe in the book didn't conspire to maintain it. I suspect this is also the reason for such shallow characters - they're just automatons with plot hardwired in their brain, and because the choices they need to make to advance it are so ridiculous, the characters become unbelievable as well.
>>21298694isn't that something you form on your own by reading the book?
>>21298691It's a fucking plagiarised elric you retard
>>21298698I don't want to waste the money on it if it isn't worth reading. Jesus Christ, what's with you?
>>21298706>I don't want to waste the money on it if it isn't worth readingThen check the reviews on amazon, goodreads, or really any other site that specifies on doing book reviews. Jesus Christ, what's with you?
>>21298684You may be the only other recurrent poster I actively enjoy reading posts from. May your bottomless animosity for that insipid fuck burn eternal.
>>21298712>Jesus Christ, what's with you?He probably thinks for some reason that /sffg/ is somehow better than those sites, which I don’t know why he would think that since /sffg/ is constantly dogshit.
>>21298403I hate fantasy names so much its unreal.. first page has these>Asho>Kyferin>Alardus>Cuncz>Cune>Tyzee>Eckel>Haug
>newfag samefag power hoursso timesome
>>21298724Normal people will just get their answers from google and be done with it, it’s only here that for some reason, the people who are asking for incredibly basic questions, want to be babied and seethe when people tell them to do what other normal people do.
>>21298731reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i didnt samefag the other anon just happened to post one minute after me i promise
>>21298729Yes, everyone has stupid fantasy names except for some reason there's a villainous clan called Fujiwara. None of the other people in the capital have Japanese names, just them.
>>21298731shut the fuck up retard, no one cares about your ''UHH DONT POST IF TS NOT 100% NECESSARY, U RUINING THE LOW SPEED COMFY THREAD :(((((( '' kys
>>21298737But why tho? Did he just throw whatever he thought sounded cool at the wall without any thought?
>>21298744Kek, nobody is mad but you. Telling you retards to either make a simple ass decision that children as young as 7 seven to do and pick a book, or just read a book to find out what you’re in for is that simple. I’m just wondering why you have to make it more complex than it really is.
>>21298764stop throwing a tantrum. What are you? 12
Well it was nice discussing books while it lasted.
>>21298731You would think that with America having thanksgiving, the shitpost would have stop, but no, they would rather shitpost then spend time with family.
>>21298778Normal people wont be this mad over thread speed bro, just take ur medsThe slow comfy thread is not real
>>21298664jokes on you, i like elric ripoffs
>>21298778You can just report the faggot that’s spamming/flooding. The jannies will deal with them. Better than just bitching.
>>21298798But then you have idiots crying that the jannies are removing low-effort posts and spam.
>>21298797Why do Japs get all the cool covers?
>>21298811It’s not anyone here actually comes for discussion or recommendations, so nothing is really loss.
>>21298810that cover is shit. no motion, no soul, a dragon that has fucked up perspective and doesn't even look like its moving, etcjust look at the og whelan covers and compare them to that shitty jap coverweebs are fucking pathetic. there could be shit with some moon runes on it and weebs would eat it up like it's the greatest thing on earth
>>21298810Because they are based
>>21298811Why are you using /lit/, let alone /sffg/ to discuss books? There are other sites that are just better.
>>21298816Amano mogs your Frank Frazetta offshoot #8261
>>21298837>There are other sites that are just better.Personally, I just use reddit if I want to discuss books. At this point, it's just better than /lit/ and I can't deny it anymore.
>>21298842Can amano draw big assed women?i rest my case
Why so many people here with such a shitty attitude?
>>21298643If people did that 4ch wouldn't exist.
>>21298842Based amano enjoyer>>21298843cringe
>>21298847I’m on the fence on using either Book talk, online book club or book and reader. Using those websites was a different experience than here.
>>21298843>a literal nobody on the internet trying to downplay Amanolollmao even>>21298854Nig coomer brain. Opinion discarded.>>21298869King.
>>21298860It's 4chan, what were you expecting?
>>21298690You two deserve each other.>>21298714I'll kill him one day, this I promise you.
>>21298684Okay, just ignore him
>>21298910Seems little extreme just because he writes books.
Do I get Black Company or first three Malazan books tomorrow in Black Friday deals?
>>21298951Whichever you want, it’s your money your wasting
>>21298951Get neither, get The Decision-Making Blueprint: A Simple Guide to Better Choices in Life and Work by Patrik Edblad
>>21298877Problem with Amano is he can only draw about 8 faces, and all his book covers look like cameos by Final Fantasy characters.
>>21298951You really can’t decide what to do with your own money?
>>21298978It's about soul, anon. The sense of wonder. Who cares how many expressions one can draw if you don't have those?
>>21298983I think you replied to the wrong post.
>>21298994Oh, wrong boyo.This >>21298983is for u >>21298972
What has the highest odds of happening first?GRRM releases WoWBakker releases new bookFinal Name of the Wind book is released
>>21298920No.>>21298942It lowers the medium as a whole. Successful failures are the most detrimental thing to science fiction and fantasy. We have an entire system now in place that rewards it. Unacceptable.
Anyone read the Shadow of the Conqueror by shadiversity?
>>21299002Sanderson writes a trilogy.
>>21299003>It lowers the medium as a whole. Successful failures are the most detrimental thing to science fiction and fantasy. We have an entire system now in place that rewards it. Unacceptable.And you do know your reading make believe stories right? With no literary value whatsoever.
>>21299002WoW is going to be released. He's in negotions with his publisher right now to have it split in half and sold as two books.
>>21298942He's an ass-rimming faggotron who argues with people and defends books he narrates, for free.
>>21298997Whatever helps you cope, I guess? But I really hope you get The Decision-Making Blueprint. It'll change your life around in making simple decisions.
Lmao what a strange thread. So are you just not allowed to to discuss books in this general?
>>21299017So what you’re telling me is that he’s /sffg/ approved.
>>21299020This is /lit/, when do you ever see books being discussed?
I'm making my own grimdark post post ironic sci-fi fantasy series that will be like dark souls and roadside picnic had a 4 way with Bakker and Yoko Taro
Is anyone else having trouble with Warosu? Or is it just me?
>>21299051>Is anyone else having trouble with Warosu?The new thread won't pop up, and it hasn't archived the last three days.
>Jannies and mods banned the spamming shitposter. You love to see it.
>>21299047I ignore his political posting because he is unhinged when it comes to anything he perceives is related to trump, real or otherwise.HUGE TDS
>>21299056>and it hasn't archived the last three days.And it hasn't archived any posts in the last three days. Is it undergoing some unannounced maintenance
>>21298778He spammer got a three day vacation, so the next thread has to be better by default.
>>21299051Not just you, it hasn’t updated anything for the past three days as well for me.
>>21299058Didn’t think it would work, kinda surprised it did.
>>21298860Bro, it’s 4chan, at this point, you should expect the shitty attitude at this point.
>>21299051Works for me, don't know what kind of issues you are having, but I'm not having any.
>>21299058seems like the anon talking about LitRpg and other garbage was the shitposter/spammer. Doesn’t really surprise me.
>>21298962That's an actual real name, so what's the issue?
Any opinion on the Call of the ___ anthology series?
>>21299122That you need to fuck off frank.
>>21299122Go shill somewhere else man.
>>21299120>GermanicAh, but of course, it had to be then.
>>21299011Its not about literary value, its about holding a massive segment of media to a specific standard of decency. Discourse exists so that people in a community such as this can know what to value and what to avoid. Faggots like Baldree ruin an already mediocre sub-genre to begin with. Pushing UP good material and DOWN bad material IMPROVES the reader's standards and INSPIRES new writers to do better. Understand?Why you faggots want to take some sort of high ground when it comes to literary value is beyond me. Do you know where you are right now?
>>21299152>its about holding a massive segment of media to a specific standard of decency.We’re talking about books, and people just want to read what they want to read, you getting mad at strangers for reading what the like just seems weird.
They hated him because he told the truth
>>21299146A lot of german names just sound fantasy, take for example, Potiorek, Liborius, Kövessháza, Hötzendorf, shit it practially writes itself.
>>21299152>Faggots like Baldree ruin an already mediocre sub-genre to begin with. Pushing UP good material and DOWN bad material IMPROVES the reader's standards and INSPIRES new writers to do better. Understand?Do you know where you are right now? Screeching about this on 4chan won't change anything, and if anything, it just makes you seen like a psycho because you're getting mad at people for reading.
>>21297348>“Clueless Dragon Children Bumble Their Way into ASO&F’s Dynastic Politics.”WoF is funny like that because it's equal parts abjectly juvenile and uncompromisingly hardcore often in the same breath. I remember reading Warriorcats when I was in high school, and that had some violent scenes (iirc Tigerstar's death) in wings. Tui took those impulses and ran(flew) with them as the standard. I think WoF is just under Animorphs levels of general twistedness.>“NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!” Cliff shrieked at her, making her jump. “I want to SEE IT!”>“Three moons, calm down,” [redacted] said. “I just don’t want you to get upset and fights can be very, um … upsetting.”>“I WON’T get upset!” Cliff shouted. “I want! to SEE! MOMMY KILL GRANDMA!”
>>21299164>KövessházaWouldn’t even surprise me if I did see this in a fantasy book anytime soon.
>>21295390What are those books about
>>21299182They about a story.
>>21299181Polish and Eastern European names are even more whimsical and fantastical. They're a huge treasure trove for names.
>>21299058>bannedhe just deleted the posts retard>>21299115kys
Gonna read some xianxia litrpg cultivation while enjoying my comfy and slow thread <3 female mc this time
>>21298644It's nowhere as good as booktubers and reviewers made it out to be. It's ok if you're a fan of urban fantasy and gangster stories. Other than that it doesn't have much going for it.
>>21299207Is your life really that lacking of stimulus that you have to resort to do this?
This week i finished MOTHER OF LEARNING ARC 2, SYSTEM CHANGE: SYSTEM UNIVERSE BOOK 1 and started reading HYPERION. Both books was pretty good and im enjoying HYPERION.
>>21299217nice>>21299207cool female mc or cringe female mc?
>>21299217Mother of Learning Arc 2 was very good, MC evolved his magic a lot during this book, he also trained mind magic with several spider tribes around the world, more than 20 tribes!, one of the tribes even tried to kill him, after failing to learn nothing else with the tribes he starts kidnapping spiders to be able to read their minds! A very unusual way to train his mind reading skill, he needed to get used to reading spiders' minds to be able to read the memories that the spider matriarch left for him, the end of the book was a big shock because we found out that one of the time travelers already left the time loop, big shock!>>21299236She is very smart and hardworking, but the family mistreats her a lot before she gains powers, when she has the powers instead of leaving she decides that she wants to help the family that humiliated her her whole life, including suffering unfair punishments sometimes because of it. Besides that, it bothered me a lot but overall I'd say she's a good MC
>>21299194Don’t disagree with you, but it’s also a cop-out if you ask me.
>>21299217About System Change, I liked that the author doesn't repeat the status page as much as some authors do, but it's still repetitive, Litrpg needs some titles where the status only appear 1 time per chapter at most, and I still think thats a lot, the character is very OP because the story is basically someone who was already strong and ended up in another universe with another system, starting from 0 but with the status of the other universe, as if someone were level 100 and had to level up from zero but continuing with the status of level 100.Another thing I found interesting is that he demonstrates PTSD from having spent a few decades trapped inside the void, I wanted that to be explored further.
>>21299256>but it’s also a cop-out if you ask meIt beats authors having to come up with some truly retarded names.
>>21299217I also decided to read He Who Fights with Monsters, right from the start I got very irritated with the fact that the MC's name was Jason, I think it's a completely ridiculous name and that made me want to give up, but I continued, the author thought it was very important to point out that the MC's family was Japanese, which was very strange, some problems that irritated me while reading is that the MC made a lot of jokes with reference to pop culture, this in another world for characters that didn't understand anything he was talking about , in a certain conversation comparing the best of both worlds with a Lion man, MC Jason decided to say that on earth they had PORN, that was his final argument to talk about how his world was better, I closed the book after that.
>>21299279Good for you.
>>21299194Yeah, it does beat the usual Western European naming. But that’s not really saying much.
>>21299292>Yeah, it does beat the usual Western European naming.IMHO, its because you had unimaginative hacks using them often, had they done it with Eastern European names, you would be saying the same thing
>>21299194Nah, it’s just you haven’t read any fantasy stories written by them. Once you do, it’s all the same.
>>21299306What does this have to do with /lit/?
I really love this general, I love discussing books with you guys and getting wonderful recommendations, my life has completely changed after I started reading The Wandering Inn, thank you anon for the rec! I think this is my new home, I really love this slow and comfy thread!
>>21299319You must really live a sad a life.
>>21299310probably, but at the same time, they should translate those works so I can get a good idea on what to expect.
>>21299319Anon, don’t you ever get tired?
>>21298685>I'd give it like a 4/10based on what I've read so far (just started book 5), with the caveat that it's gotten better as I've read more.You rate it 4/10 but have kept reading for 5 books? What the fuck, anon?
>>21299328Honestly, sometimes I get tired, Wandering Inn is a very big book! Sometimes I find myself dying of tiredness and wanting to go to sleep, but the end of the arc makes me so curious that I keep reading!! It's bigger and stronger than me, my curiosity when piqued doesn't leave me alone until I quench its thirst, sometimes I lay down to sleep and end up getting up 1 hour later to go back to reading because I'm very curious, Erin is such a good MC and all the characters are so well crafted, the world, the story, it's all so good.>>21299333Wandering Inn is based indeed my friend!
>>21299319If you are lucky nobody but imidate family will carry on your memory when you pass if you're unlucky you'll be the last.:)
>>21299353Is this some quote from The Wandering Inn anon?? , maybe it's from some passage I haven't read yet?!? I don't recognize :*(
>>21299377>>21299353>Is this some quote from The Wandering Inn anon?? , maybe it's from some passage I haven't read yet?!? I don't recognize :*(There are good quotes from TWI desu>“My daughter. You would use her against me? Very well. Try. For if I am chased, I will flee. If my daughter is held, I will find who takes her and kill them. If she dies killed, I will find who slew her. And they will never die.”>She pointed down at Talia. At the Order, as the body swung behind her. Belavierr’s words echoed and shook the air.>“If the Order of Seasons kills my daughter, I will break their stronghold and slay their families one by one. I will kill their sons and daughters generation upon generation and bring ruin to their lands. I will disappear and bring ruin to Terandria if it takes me all of eternity. I vow the same to anyone who would harm her.”>No one present could meet her eyes but Ser Raim. Knight-Commander Calirn spoke hoarsely.>“This will not go unpunished, Belavierr.”>“Unpunished. Then tell me, little [Knight].”>Belavierr stepped down the hill. Her eyes fixed on Calirn’s. She spread her arms.>“Are we enemies? I have never considered the Order of Seasons my foes. If we are, let there be war and ruin. Until my final hour, I will hound your Order from the shadows and by my craft. Do you wish it, [Knight]? If you wish it, I will show you how I treat my enemies.”
>>21299390Reads horrible, how can you recommend this garbage? put on a trip so people can filter you.
>>21299377Honestly just seeing how long it actually took for you to weave together your snapback retort is telling that I've actually really got under your skin with that one.So let me re-iterate if you don't fix your shit and stop faffing about with things so the vapid and shallow as unpaid shilling in the ass end of 4chan you very much will die in a cardboard box one day
>>21299400Im actually reading Wandering Inn while in queue for dungeons in FFXIV, i dont even know what you talking about friend :)
>>21299400>>21299411comfy reading wandering inn and doing 1 dungeon every 20min or so
>>21299429No wonder /sffg/ is such a godawful place.
>>21299152That's cool. I bought the lesbian orc book and there's nothing you can do about it. =)
>>21299433Sad! I hope you feel better about the general in the near future. :)
Any books like dungeons & dragons?
>>21299586which aspect of dungeons & dragons
>>21299603dungeons & dragons
>>21299586The Dragonlance Chronicles
>>21299586>Any books like dungeons & dragons?The Wandering Inn is the most popular one that was built in the image of D&D, both in lore and events.If you want some other series, I know Dragonlance and similar have strong D&D vibes.
>>21299617>The Wandering Inn Not reading that garbage, fuck off.
>>21299617Give it a rest you sperg. You give shitposting trolls a bad name.
>>21299586RA Salvatore books, like Icewind Dale.Also, the Cleric Quintet
>>21298842cope weeb fagbesides, the shitty cover i responded to isn't even amano. shows your shitty lack of knowledge concerning artists you weeb spastic>>21298869>>21298877shitty mucha ripoffjaps cant crate anything originalonly steal