Writers got together and protected the value of their labor. Marx would have approved desu.
>>21289533Lmao how the fuck did they get arrested by the FBI if they're Russian. You live in a country that literally ignores copyright law, stay there where it's safe retards
yeah, they probably lost like $200 apiece and gained thousands of reads that would never have happened?
>>21289571the russian idiots running the site were in Argentina so Argentinean gov bent over and let the US have their way
>>21289587Maybe they wanted to go to American prison, probably much better conditions than they're used to in either Russia or Argentina
So I see Zlib isn't even working on TOR onion now. I can't sign in .
>>21289620Russia has legalized pirating. Why tf would they go to prison
>>21289533>Trend of users on TikTok promoting Z-LibraryFucking zoomers on TikTok got our free library nuked. Goddamn it.
>>21289773FUCK the US government, man. And fuck all unions.
I sent them a message.
Once again Marxism proves that it is the controlled opposition capitalism wants and needs. I'm sure Zizek will defend this like he defended Pfizer.
>>21289533I dont get it. zLib is still up. Maybe its best it stays on tor. Apparently zoom zooms cant tor (and thats a good thing!)
>>21289863Thanks for touting that here we are all very proud>>21289533Why were they not charged/site-seized sooner if they were always arrestable? It's not like the govt wasn't already aware of them
>>21289884Wasn't working for me just now, either.
Was expecting this to happen for a while. I thought they would get Internet Archive first though, as insufferable psychopaths like Chuck Wendig were whipping up hate toward it not long ago. Zlibrary is more symbolic I guess, with the war and all that.
desu, all the books that matter are for free on google books, archive.org and gallica.bnf, i.e. books written before the copywrite law, i.e. books written before 21st ce global homo ideology
>raises handim an anarchist and i say fuck marx, i want me free books
>>21290061>Zlibrary is more symbolic I guess, with the war and all that.lol whatarchive.org has been sued too, anyway, but they're a different case because they're trying to be legal and not a pirate site
>>21289533>Marx would have approved desu.Yeshttps://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3948861>This essay describes Karl Marx's assertion of copyright and plagiarism claims, as well as his responses to plagiarism accusations. It observes that Marx claimed private ownership of the economic and literary value of his works and ideas, and reflects on whether that decision was consistent with the communist ideals he described.
>>21289533I fucking hate Zoomers, modern writers, and governmental bureaucracy in that order and wish they could all die.
>>21290107>lol whatRussia bad. Many of the articles seem to have this as the subtext, that this isn't just about publishing but a national victory over foreigner agents disrupting industry. Archive is much more neutral, as you said has placed itself in a semi-legit grey area.
>>21290191>Many of the articles seem to have this as the subtext, that this isn't just about publishing but a national victory over foreigner agents disrupting industry. It's pretty obviously a post-hoc connection.
>>21289533 >>21289773Works on my machine, downloaded 2/3 books after this thread was posted.>>21289884Agreed, it'd be a skill issue at that point.
>>21289533>piracy is the reason literature is dying>not because we clamped down on the industry as gatekeepers and only release propaganda disguised as books, rehashes of classes rewritten from a feminist/black/queer POV, and chick-lit disguised as every other genresurely taking down the pirate site will make normalfaggots buy your retelling of the iliad from the POV of a scullery maid whose father only hates her because she's smarter than everyone else in her village and has a pet cat.
>>21289863supremely based. i hope one of their bitter spinsters has a mental breakdown over it.
>>21289784>When a country that literally bombs innocent people is also the only society that open let's people pirate books.I am so conflicted.
>>21290723>>21289784btw that's bullshit, Russia has blocked rutracker and sci-hub, among other sites
>>21289863Based. Sub-human faggots that simp for copyright deserve the rope.
Is there a torrent with the entire repository?
>>21289533no, Marx would call it conservative>Trades Unions work well as centers of resistance against the encroachments of capital. They fail partially from an injudicious use of their power. They fail generally from limiting themselves to a guerilla war against the effects of the existing system, instead of simultaneously trying to change it, instead of using their organized forces as a lever for the final emancipation of the working class that is to say the ultimate abolition of the wages system.>Instead of the conservative motto: “A fair day's wage for a fair day's work!” they ought to inscribe on their banner the revolutionary watchword: “Abolition of the wages system!"and lobbying for shutting down z-lib isn't even resistance of workers against capital like proper union action. it's rather labour aristocracy plus capitalist publishers working in tandem. you have to be truly retarded to think Marx would have approved
>>21290723You consume too much mainstream news. Stop falling for propaganda.
Good, fuck piracy
>>21289863based as fuck, literature is for the people
>>21289533>tiktok zoomers just dabbed on the literal instantiation of the best parts of the enlightenment project fr fr no cap.I pray for a pandemic like the spanish flu to cull everyone aged 15-25
>>21289863Let the scum seethe and stay based
>>21290755Sci-hub.ru is unblocked since piracy was legalized. Rutracker.org is legally unblocked, but then blocked itself for post-Soviet IPs, partially to protect itself from a surge of requests (with local publishers also trying to DDoS them), partially to keep the secret club atmosphere, essentially the made finding a proxy their captcha. BTW, Russian law does not punish circumventing site blocking, there is no such thing legally. While TOR is kinda illegal, since it encrypts you and KGB-FSB must have total access to your traffic, its illegality is not enforced - and you can use any other proxy you want. They don't care unless you are into politics. Piracy is basically legal for anything not-Russian, in case of Russian media - not so, but few Russian people can stand modern Russian media output, so who cares, they can torrent anything Jewwood or Nigflix with no repercussions.
>>21292163I'd say legal piracy is part of a social contract here, hence there are dozen of semi-legal streaming services, pirate translators with their social media translating Rick and Morty or your current pedo manga or whatever the plebs pay for, 99% of Windows and Steams games are pirated etc.Cities will burn and entire peoples will be erased if piracy becomes illegal here, until that time the Russian pleb is blissfully consooming his life away on torrented media.
>>21292129For the people who pay, anon.
>>21292188I used zlib to sample books and then buy the books that are good. Kind of like a library - have you heard of a library, anon?
>>21292295*hand rubbing intensifies*
>>21289533I've downloaded 430 books from zlib and read none of them because I like holding books more than my ereader
>>21292249Perhaps go to a library then, anon . Order the books you want if they aren't present at the time you're visiting.
>>21291039Interesting question. The size of the archive seems way too fucking big for that though. When you account for all the pdf scans and stuff. Must be many terabytes…
>>21292136The zoomers were the ones sharing it not the ones who shut it down. Dolt.
>>21292163>Sci-hub.ru is unblocked since piracy was legalized. >Rutracker.org is legally unblockedIn both cases they've been unblocked simply because of the war. Piracy is not a real goal of the Russian government, they just tolerate it because the population is too poor to afford otherwise.>>21292349Not that anon, but I wonder if cunts like you exist in the real world.
>>21292458>t. fat faggotGo outside once in a while
>>21292458You can use any proxy, literally any, with no repercussions.Bypassing internet blocks is not a crime here, sharing files via torrents is not a crime (some ISP try to block torrent traffic though) - hence why everything is pirated and why two major book pirates of the globe just happen to be ethnic Russians.It is not like the state made us a service, we don't ask it in the first place. Installing a proxy is a captcha.
>>21291617Based. It's not one industry like publishing or one issue within that industry like piracy. It is the wage system which demands authors align themselves with the interests of the capitalist publishing industry; authors have to work against what should be their main purpose, i.e. getting their ideas/books in front of eyes. Case in point is that if you contact and ask academic researchers for copies of their papers, most of the time they will give them out for free, because academics make no money from people purchasing journal articles. Writers of commercial books, on the other hand, rely on royalties from people purchasing books to put food on the table. It's a bitch ass system and this is just another way it destroys the soul of those who live in it.
I hate unions so goddamned much
>Based. It's not one industry like publishing or one issue within that industry like piracy. It is the wage system which demands authors align themselves with the interests of the capitalist publishing industry; authors have to work against what should be their main purpose, i.e. getting their ideas/books in front of eyes. Case in point is that if you contact and ask academic researchers for copies of their papers, most of the time they will give them out for free, because academics make no money from people purchasing journal articles. Writers of commercial books, on the other hand, rely on royalties from people purchasing books to put food on the table. It's a bitch ass system and this is just another way it destroys the soul of those who live in it.
>>21292360When one is doing illegal things, it is important not to have 19 million hashtags detailing the illegal things you are doing. 19 million zoomers bragging about it killed it. Faggotron.
>>21293299They're not even a union! They're some stupid """""professional organization"""""
>it's not shit, it's a turd!
>>21292136For giving the world SJW shit and literally starting the culture wars I will come to your house, skin you alive and burn all Millennials within a certain radius
>>21293329It doesn't seem like they advocate for their own rights, just bitch and moan and complain. At least the union mob fucks like Jimmy Hoffa got shit done
>>21289533I have to suffer because of woke soi writers that write unreadable garbage.
>>21289533>Shutting down enterprising and curious young men sharing the value of their proactive consumer choice with eachother, increasing the literacy of all who participateIt's got nothing to do with anything communitarian, that's for sure. Internet piracy isn't real, just people sharing what they paid for. Qualitatively (and quantitatively) all 4chan users contribute to a far greater and more historically important literary movement through honest teamwork - what happens here in whole will be remembered in 2000 years. All the greatest works of our internet age are generated by people who are able to make free time for themselves to employ their skills and talents on memetically viable projects, or who are able to find gainful and honest employment with their skills, like being a hardware engineer, or an IT guy - these people care about the product. People who support anything that can be called a publishing industry, the characteristics of which are those that stand most obviously in question, are those who want to be someone of note, but aren't someone capable of being someone of note. Our situation is akin to the vitally dilapidated state of the ruling class of the late Rome being usurped over hundreds of years by the superior 'barbarian' stock, who won fairly, because they simply cared more, and more honestly. >>21292188Get a different job, the produce/service of which can't be 'pirated' (shared) so easily, if you are concerned about money. If someone doesn't want to buy your product, it's because it's not a good product. You can't stop people from sharing, in the sense that each attempt to crack down only makes the survivors more enthusiastic/resilient. If piracy as an idea survived even the age of sail where governments were using real violence to enforce the law, then it will take only the harshest measures, like destroying the world. You can cry all you want "you must pay me... uh... please," or you can update your business model. In time, you will be forced to become the most obnoxious bootlicker of technological centralization hitherto only hinted at. Then you will truly be on the wrong side of history.
>>21289533Nah ticktock ruined it. If those retards could have kept their mouths shut this would have never have happened.
>>21289533Just buy books
>>21289797There is literally nothing wrong with spreading information and getting zoomers interested in reading
>>21295165You know it has fuck all to do with reading. It's about the idea of reading instead, sort of a "I fucking love books tee-hee"
>>21294305You could make these same sorts of arguments in defense of the book pirates of the 1600s. You are historically short-sighted, and probably a long-haired, bearded anarchist.
>>21295165Reading for its own sake is leftist nonsense. Zoomers need to read the classics first, so they can develop a proper taste for literature. Fortunately, the classics are already free. No stealing from living authors required.
>>21295558You need to get off /pol/
>>21295165You're just repeating shit you overheard others say without reflecting on what they actually mean
Who will write books if everything is free?
>>21295665People who legitimately want to improve the world with new and interesting ideas, and who care enough about what they have to say that they would want it to be proliferated as freely and gratuitously as possible.
>>21289863The hero this world needs
>>21295681Who feeds them and pays their bills?
>>21295681Well maybe not necessarily improve, but in my estimation, the greatest literature is that which edifies and moves the reader, and that kind of engagement is why it should be free.Not to mention these obvious correlations:>good books are written by authors who just want to get their message out and who don't care about money>dogshit books are written with the intention of making money off of shallow normies like the denizens of Booktube and /sffg/Based on this rhetoric it is reasonable to blame in part the zoomers, who are shallow and highly normative, on the downfall of what was our little secret.In other words, gas the fucking zoomers.
>>21289863based beyond belief
>>21295681I'm a writer, but if I stop being able to make money at it I will have to do something else. Unfortunately not all writers are independently wealthy.
>>21295697everything is free
>>21295699>an easy-to-use and attractive service specifically made to appeal to normalfags>our little secretGet the fuck out.
>>21295704You get the fuck out.
>>21295703Now imagine nothing is free.
>>21295681>He thinks serious authors and translators (!) are like jannies.Sorry, anon. They definitely aren't going to do it for free. Can you really be that naive? Even writers have to live, and nobody is going to translate anything for free. It's too much work.
>>21290723Kek I think I'm experiencing second hand cringe from this post alone
>>21290061Archive.org going down would be catastrophic for open access to information. So many scans of public domain books are hosted there with a minimal UI, no login required, and unlimited downloads. The Wayback Machine is also incredibly useful for older websites that went down, a lot of historical sources are hosted online and then subsequently lost because the website closed. Which is why it'll get taken down eventually, it doesn't serve anyone's profit margins and companies lobby for the right to delete anything that hurts them.
This is all just memoryholing the populace. The feds want to keep us dumb and disempowered.
>>21295890>reeeee i can't read the latest genreslop for free on my kindlerino
Get a job
>>21295892You know what. Fuck you mate. Goyslop should be free too. There, I said it just to spite you.
>>21292295Find another site to sully, you evil coward.
>>21292136>I don't have a job and the world should provide for me
>>21294305>All that text because you don't want to work
>>21295904>>21295912I'm a full-time neet, and proud.
>>21295890Can you explain what this post means? I genuinely don’t understand it.
>>21295932Getting rid of information provided by books via monopolizing publishing and discontinuing printing of certain books, and the widespread use of paywalls. With the intention that only the rich and formally educated can afford the very thing that empowers the average individual: knowledge.
>>21295947A copy of basic mathematics is only about $100 dude maybe stop blowing all your paycheck on crack.
>>21289533>>21289533>copyright>writer's unionwtf anonlearn about superstructures.marx didnt even talk about bloodsuckers like writers, teachers, musicians, lawyers and other bitchy workers.he talked about people that PRODUCED like farmers, builders and smiths. there can be no union of these fuckers. when china was a commie country they abolished ALL copyright laws.>The Peoples Republic of China abolished all statutes in 1949. A new formal copyright statute was not adopted until 1991. The ROC copyright statutes are retained on Taiwan (inherited from the Japanese empire in 1945, see also Copyright law in Japan).https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_Chinacopyright was, is and will always be a capitalistic invention.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure
>>21296007>bloodsuckers like writersThe anti-intellectual undercurrent of this discussion seems to be intensifying.
>>21292295you know it's funnythere seems to be an almost 1:1 correlation with the declining quality of life in america as jews were arriving en masse to the US in the 20th century
>>21296007>bloodsuckers like writers, teachers, musicians, lawyers and other bitchy workers.You have to be 18 to post here, kid.
>>21293369No you wont. The younger you are, the more poisoned you are by microplastics and xenoestrogens. You likely have test levels 10-20% lower than any millennial merely for being born later, and millennials are already flabby söykings.
>>21296022>anti-intellectualfucking kek. if you are an intellectual you go to archive.org, or sci-hub.on zlib the most intellectual thing i found was the mandatory book of an introductory course of biology. alas, IT WAS AVAILABLE ONLY ON TOR. just like the entire zlib library right now.the only shit you find there are an infinite collection of YA books.so dont come at me about me being against the """""writers""""" who are fighting against zlib, because those people dont make anything "intellectual".>inb4 b-b-but what about essayist: university professors writing treateses about various scientific topicsanon, those people stopped being intellectuals when the american college system spread all around the world: the basically are forced to write essays just to keep their jobs. why the fuck do you think they needed to invent an entire theory like non binary theory??? it holds no inherent value, it is so fucking abstract and yet they pubblish pages and pages of essays on this theory.honestly, anon, food was much more healthy during medieval times, and noone used to write ANYTHING ABOUT IT.the only thing they used to write (intellectual) was about medicine, which was shit just like nowadays (cfr. covid, or if you are vaxxed then thalimode).
>>21296040>>21296022>>21296060ah forgot to sayt. currently at first year of MA in law, college degree in marketing finance and administration.
>>21290113>>21296015>Marx said he wanted to abolish private property. Why didn’t he want to abolish his own?I always think people in the academia can't get any more stupid but they consistently keep proving me wrong
>>21296104maybe because he didnt want to abolish it?also, read the fucking paper instead of stopping at the abstract>It doesn’t appear that Marx or his publishers asserted copyright ownership of the German editions of any of the books he published during his lifetime.
communists were closet aristocrats that just wanted to overthrow the monarchy / tzardom because jews told them to and they assumed they would get to be in charge, you don't fix a top down government by putting a bunch of revolutionaries on the throne and give them all the means of production and just hope they will do right by the people as is seen by historycommunism is a reactionary movement born to oppose capitalism and monarchy with the promise of elevating the common folk, they do not deliver on this promise they just replace the current ruling faction with their own and then purge the pure idealists that they used to get there
>>21296136what I quoted isn't from the abstract, you mongoloid, but from the second to last page. the paper is worthless drivel written by a clinical retard whose mental deficiency is certified by a university degree
>>21295751Haven’t you noticed the burgeoning industry of Chinese Webnovels that get translated by amateurs
>>21295870this. I mainly use it for out of print books. meanwhile the publishing industry doesn't want you to read unless it's a currently in print currently on trend rag they can sell you for $25 plus tax. old books don't make jews money so they don't care if they're all destroyed. meanwhile these books should rightfully be treated as national treasures and be hosted by the US govt themselves on a free to access basis. i couldn't buy these books even if i wanted to. and if it wasn't for some blessed librarian or book otaku painstakingly scanning the entire thing by hand it would already have vanished. we have the equivalent of a library of alexandria disappearing every year and no one cares, except archive.org. no one hates books more than the publishing industry.
>>21296060>if you are an intellectual you go to archive.org, or sci-hub.>on zlib the most intellectual thing i found was the mandatory book of an introductory course of biologyGoes to show you barely even checked what the sites contain. Z-lib is based on libgen, which includes the entire sci-hub database. Numerous books are also copied from archive.org to z-lib. This fucking retard randomly looked for 2-3 articles and now lectures others on whether a pirate site is intellectual(??) enough.Not even going to comment on the hysterically retarded stuff you write in the rest of the post. And then brag about studying some bugman degree. Unironically slit your wrists.
>>21296508this. i got all my academic publishings from zlib.
>>21289571Amerikkka has its claws in most the world so many countries will capture and hand you over for torture and imprisonment. Its not entirely clear who and when will snatch you (because it is not legal or proper in most cases) so short of not travelling at all you can't know.
>>21289587Im hating my country so much for bending to uncle sam,
>>21289587I see all the anti-American rhetoric that the Latin-American spouts is a smokescreen. They’re actually all united in favor of globohomo (just kidding I always knew that).
>>21289533The reader in me feels betrayed, the writer in me redressed.
>>21297639Latin-American left*Antiamericanism is for the proles. The LÁ communist leadership likes to enjoy high luxury in Miami while the masses starve
>>21296104>>21296165You fell for Jewish pilpul, give up. YOU, (((not us))), will own nothing and be happy!
>>21297651There will be no redress till the owners and uploaders of Z-Lib compensate everyone they stole from for everything they stole.
>>21295697You can still have a day job and pay your own bills even if you are a writer you monumental retard.
>>21297747Much of this seems like envious wagies wanting successful writers to be slaves like themselves. Look at the history of letters, and tell me what percentage of the best authors simultaneously had day-jobs.
>>21289863You know what, I'm going to send them the same message, and I hope other anons do the same.even though, to be honest, I think we should remain as underground as possible and not call any attention whatsoever to us[/spoiler
>>21297811Even Hemingway had a day job you retarded gorilla. The kitschy garbage the modern industry feeds us with a funnel and a tube doesn't warrant needing more time and dedication to compose than HEMINGWAY. Look at recently published lists. NOTHING worth reading, nothing. Empty-headed twitter posts and masturbation fantasies of cat-women disguised as books. the fact is they don't deserve to be paid for their "contributions" to humanity--they deserve a thrashing for retarding the public.
libgen sucks cock
>>21298066I asked for percentage, not for you to name one rather miserable example. Oh well!Anyway, if modern books are such trash—which is generally true—why do you want them for free from pirates so badly?I'm not following the logic here.
>>21298104i want them for free because i always pirate books first, and only go back to buy physical copies of what was actually good. fetch your brain out of your refrigerator and stuff it back in your skull. it isn't my fault the current industry can't publish even one fucking thing worth paying money for. maybe instead of attacking readers you can self reflect and come to the monumental realization that you're pushing out low effort slop. if you wrote good books, people would pay for it. taking down the pirate site isn't going to force people to buy your shitty books, it's going to force them to the old classics. i know it's asking too much of you to do your fucking job and write anything worth reading.
If libgen goes down I'm killing myself
>>21298394libgen is just zlib with less books, less file formats and a gayer interface
what’s the likelihood zlib resurfaces in some format without being taken down againand any suggested timescale when this might happen i mean, they still own the database right? it hasn’t been wiped off earth
>>21298044Do not *actually* spam the same stuff over and over again. Lessens the hurt if it’s all copypasta. Also feigning a wide diaspora of leftie viewpoints to rag on them hits harder since they”re union sub-humans and so sympathetic to that.>>21292186A remnant of the Soviet period’s addiction to western goods which means smuggling and duplicating digital goods was a part of that.
>>21292657>>21293369>>21293444>>21296456I swear this is why i still come to /lib/ because these motherfuckers woke me up to this garbage. I left my writers workshop because of this, leaving them a nicely worded email as to why i left, calling them woke social justice warriors who were utterly incapable of critiquing a novel. These motherfuckers that took over the writing and authoring ecosystem, the ones that are actually successful, are the most liberal, woke faggots i ever met. I was literally advised to forcefully inject a gay black character because my story had too many while males. Thing is, the story involves a lot of white males and that's not OK now, so I'll self-publish and promote here. These faggots are all literally box ticking for virtual signaling, and they were so delusional that they drove away a lot of folks from the group.I want some controversial literature to come out. Something interesting. But if you walk into any library they don't dare, put anything really controversial on the front shelves for promotion. It's usually some BIPOC queer shit.
>>21296060You're a retard. The entire AIAG library of Current Good Manufacturing Practice guides was on Z-Lib. The sum total of knowledge and good practices in those books is worth more than many college research departments. Having access to those books on-demand is something that companies would pay tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars for and Z-Lib offered it for free.Copyright law on written books, especially ones that contain scientific knowledge, is a force of unparalleled devastation. If companies were able to actually access the Z-Lib archive for free it would be the equivalent of billions of dollars in knowledge and information that would be available for free. I'm not even exaggerating when I say it would create hundreds of thousands of jobs overnight, and probably millions in the next few years due to improved access to best-practices and new information.
>>21298887The people here who complain about z-lib being taken down don't care about knowledge. They care about free genre literature.
>>21294305>what happens here in whole will be remembered in 2000 yearsAnon, I...
>>21289533>It also mentions another pirated ebook library, LibgenNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>21298394Why? You can still get books from amazon.
>>21289533Okay, but who cares?
I've been arguing against unions for years by pointing how corrupt teacher, police, and regular unions can be (i.g. the mafia ran the AFL-CIO for decades). Marxists are pretty stupid, and don't understand unions can be just as corrupt and workers can be degenerate.
>>21298863I'm tired of the forced "diversity" which is as shallow as a puddle. if darkies want to read books about darkies nothing has ever stopped them from writing them. but in order to promote darkie books, the industry decided the best way to do that is to strangle white literature. they keep trying to find darkies to publish and keep coming up dry. i think it eluded them that darkies, if they had desired, could at any time have gone out and written books for themselves. darkies dominate the music industry. no one was ever stopping them from writing books. the darkies themselves have no interest in literature, but instead of the industry realizing this, they blame white rayyycism for scaring away the black hemingway they think is huddling around the corner afraid of big bad evil white book readers. they've had open calls for darkie authors and darkie readers to step up. they haven't appeared. now you have white women writing books about darkies and other white women reading them. all the while being blinded that they are suffering from white savior complex and aren't listening to the actual darkies who are telling them, "yeah books aren't really our thing. we like music." instead the industry doubled down on pushing for diversity. africa is populated entirely by africans with no evil ypipo to stop them from writing and publishing. so what are they writing? nothing. what books are coming out of india, indonesia, pakistan, honduras, mongolia, kenya, nigeria? nothing. there are no white people there stopping them. so why aren't they writing? must be white racism, we just have to strangle whites out of the industry so the heckin brown hemingways can come out of hiding and show the evil white racists their amazing brown literature that is surely better than all those dead white men ever wrote.So where are these books?
>>21296508>Goes to show you barely even checked what the sites containor maybe i dont need it? ffs im from italy, here shit is free if you are a student.here in italy the fastest way to get some articles is by using scihub, while zlib is a pain in the ass to access and is useful only if you need genre lit. >Numerous books are also copied from archive.org >Numerous thanks anon. the only shit i needed for uni was on archive.org. dionisian artificiers by da costa, campbell biology, complete works of menno simons, dottor volgare, the four books of confucianism, on the economy of machinery by babbage, lebor gabala erenn, bald's leechbook, istitutes of gaius to say some are not present on zlib. as i said, zlib sucks ass if you use it to study. >whether a pirate site is intellectual(??) enoughreread the anon to whom i answered.>bugman degreewhy the fuck do you think i get the master degree on this one? kek, of course it is fucking retarded. i wonder what is not a bugman degree for you...
>>21300833>or maybe i dont need it?So maybe don't talk about it if you don't need it and have barely used it, having zero idea what books are there?>here in italyItaly has a different internet? You have a dedicated Italian interface for sci-hub? Z-lib is blocked and difficult to access for you?>the only shit i needed for uni was on archive.orglet's check>complete works of menno simonshttps://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=C4AB470EDCE058E4C014D295AFFFA112>on the economy of machinery by babbagehttps://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=D5BAF75E032ECC014A8C7F6C1BF7F99B>istitutes of gaiushttps://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=CD93A1831C5ADB17886021FD00411403https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=A2616F88715C06344D91D0EB49881DA0just some random ones I looked up>reread the anon to whom i answeredHe said you are anti-intellectual, not that a site is anti-intellectual. Fucking retard.I swear, I can't remember when was the last time I came across someone so clearly low-IQ and yet so disgustingly arrogant.
>>21295665I would argue money eventually ruins all media. Look at youtube - It was (arguably) better 10 years ago before a handful of people became rich and famous. Then all of the mediocre business fags piled in and abused every innovative idea and tailored everything to appease the advertisement gods. That's why I have to look at S O I boy reaction faces and watch 10 minutes videos now.Plus some of the greatest pieces of literature weren't done for profit. Writing should be reserved for the winners in life. No one wants to hear the plights or insights of some dipshit who can't even achieve "above average" in the real world.
>>21301364>He said you are anti-intellectualThat anon here. Can confirm this is the correct interpretation of my statement. I was a bit amazed to see the initial response, but didn't feel like arguing.
So how are you guys actually pirating books now? Are there better resources? There's libgen but the layout confuses me, kek.
Private forums with sign-up application requirements will always be the best way to get your piracy
>>21301773On second thought, I should probably clarify. I was saying the pro-pirates were anti-intellectuals, as evinced by one above calling writers "blood-suckers."The fact is, books shouldn't be free unless everything is free. Otherwise dedicated writers will be unable to live. The artist must receive his honorarium, or else you will have no more art, save from wage-slave hobbyists and from the idle rich. Not sure why this is so difficult.
>>21295932>>21295947>>21295969They are going to seal off a great deal of the Population from access to Higher Order Knowledge.We are entering Spartan Cybernetic levels of Human Management. The Elite will become more exclusive ; the Proles/Plebs must become more Animalistic ; "History" is over, the Human Being is over; there will be Managers and Managed.
>>21302564You can literally see this Hermeneutical Death within 4chan ; "eternal summer" of normies who exist with Commodity Fetishism ; Everything is now made to produce a sensation and display a desire ; Human Culture is gone.
>>21301831I'm using physical libraries like some kind of boomer.
>>21292136How do you people fall for the obvious divisory spectacle of believing the FBI and Justice Dep. didn't know about basic clearnet file-sharing before Zoomers posted about it on TikTok or whatever? They decided to go after it and take it down at this particular time for their own reasons, but to say that it was all the fault of the trendy clock app because that is how some divisive propaganda blog piece decided to spin the story is retarded and naive to how criminal proceedings against copyright violations actually are conducted.
>>21298394I hate to say this in full truth, but same.
>>21301364>complete works of menno simonsPic rel is this copy of the complete works of menno simons. It is a shitty scan, impossible to read.>on the economy of babbageNot 3rd edition, this is the first one.>istitutes of gaiusMb sorry. This one i found it on zlib, forgot about it because usually they dont have scans. I was browsing through my reader, i just picked the books that were pdf. >Z-lib is blocked and difficult to access for you?This one. They have a page that should redirect you to the website which is not blocked but half the time it's blocked or it redirects you to the article page and the book page is blocked.>having zero idea what books are there?Books, or articles? I dont use it for articles, but for books.>He said you are anti-intellectual, not that a site is anti-intellectual.As anon clarified, he said that calling writers "bloodsuckers" was anti-intellectual. If we use the three books you found on libgen and consider thathttps://libgen.is/search.php?req=Artificers&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=defhttps://libgen.is/search.php?req=Lebor+gabala&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=defhttps://libgen.is/search.php?req=Leechbook&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=defare not present on libgen, we may agree that this is not a website made for literature made for scholarly purposes, but for genre lit. So i clarified that the writers whose books are posted on libgen were predominantly novelists, so me being against them cannot be considered "anti-intellectual", because those writers do not write intellectual content. The books that we may agree are written by "intellectuals", as we have just seen, are either absent, restricted to TOR (campbell biology), poorly edited, or not updated. As i just discovered from the accounts of other fellow anons, the article section is filled with useful information. And I can agree on that. I used it for example to learn about chinese esoteric cults. As I said, the access to zlib is very restricted here in italy. So I use scihub, or archive.org. I didnt know that these two had the same database, but me saying that zlib was not a good website to find academic material is false. I am sorry for that, I used anecdotal evidence to come to that conclusion. From what we have seen, we can conclude that zlib is useful for academic articles, but lacks a good chunk of academic books. I hope you agree with me. This leads to the question why i called writers "bloodsuckers" in the first place. As i explained, novelists imho are not contributing to society in any actual form. Literature was always a prerogative of the rich. It was a hobby, which was made a profitable activity when capitalism was created. Novels were considered a retarded version of poems back in the 19th century. Now, poems are not a widespread genre in this day and age, so we can agree that the LIVING writers (which are all novelists) are the main reason foe the closure of zlib. 1/idk how many
>>21301364>>213031902/idk how manySo, the living writers and their capitalistic leaders, are interested in the gain from their books. Books, which are not "intellectual". But let's be honest: there may be some small author whose novel was created with the utmost love and passion, complex and filled with poetic prowess.But who will buy this book, in this day and age? No one.Ask a 15 years old girl what books she know, and she will tell you Divergent, not Infinite Jest. And you know what this means? It means that the pubblisher of Divergent will be interested in shutting down zlib, not the publisher of Infinite Jest.So, we may agree that the majority of writers will be of the Divergent type, not the Infinite Jest type. This because the publisher will want a book written by a retarded person in order to appeal to as many people as possible. And they will ask MONEY for that shit. Truth be told, some of the most famous books these days were published for free: ever heard of After? I can read it for free on wattpad. As I said, the majority of writers are bad writers, clearly not interested in improving their style and I dont even think able to achieve anything worth of note, coming after the throat of zlib just for what? For an additional million in their bank account? I call it "bloodsucking". They wanna tell me "give me 20 euros for the book i wrote with no passion" and I should respect them? And if you still think I am not saying true things, think about why they shut down zlib in the first place: female zoomers (basically the main source of profit for those people) were advertising this website. Maybe they were not the only reason, but it is the main one imho. Now, to be honest there can me some indie author who will profit from this action. But let's be honest: if I wanna read a book and I wanna support the author, I will buy some famous author, because I am not interested in buying the book of a literally who. On the contrary, i would have bought it even if it existed on libgen, because i am interested in supporting literally whos. And if you fear for scientific books, then you still have libgen (or as I said, scihub). The target was zlib: they wanted to shut down what was about to become the main source for YA lit. Female zoomers bring them money, not someone with a bugman degree whose hobby is reading theology like me. >so disgustingly arrogant.Mb, i hope I explained everything in a calm and proficient way this time.I just didnt understand how people can defend modern day era writers. >>21302187See above
>>21289863A "kys" would've made it perfect. based anyways
>>21300697The most ironic things to me in all of this is that the one cultural group ("the west") that gets the most flak for not being "diverse enough" has historically been the only group on Earth that made a sustained effort to get to know other cultures and their literature, creating entire fields of study to do so. Oriental studies, indology, sinology, etc. were all created because whitey wanted to read non-european literature and understand the cultures those works of literature came from.Besides, pushing whitey out of the publishing business won't make people move darkie literature in significantly larger numbers. Like even from a business perspective it makes little sense because they are just robbing themselves of potential bestsellers in order to push books that nobody besides upper-middle class urbanites care about (and it's doubtful that even those actually read them rather than just buying them to post it on their instagram and be seen possessing them)
>>21303449I didn't want to say anything that could be interpreted as a threat. A vulgar dressing-down was sufficient.
>>21303509A dressing-down is performed publicly by someone in authority.This was nothing more than impotent resentment, and outing yourself as a downloader (or possibly uploader) of stolen books.You hurt yourself more than you did them.
>>21303505the west is the only group taking in massive amounts of foreigners to live in their country. how many non-chinese live in china? how many non-kenyans live in kenya? the fact is that white people and only white people are non-racist, or were, and yet only white people get called racist. it's enough to drive you mad. the british geographical society dedicated time and resources to mapping and studying the lands of other countries, from trying to help them discover their own lost ancient cities to help them control locust populations. has china ever come here to study our wood-beetles and find a solution? has saudi arabia ever gone to map northern canada and build roads? if you go to beijing, it's 100% chinese. if you go to london, it's 30% british. which of us is racist? but the moral of the story is being un-racist doesn't pay off. they hate you all the more and never stop taking advantage of your kindness and slandering you. the world has come to treat the west like a doormat. the conclusion that should be drawn is that the racists are right.