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>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Archive
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>>21021207
First for women authors are actually based
Read Robin Hobb
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Dan and Marty are such a cute couple, shame Brian and Kevin made them robots instead of evolved face dancers or ghosts or something
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I just read this and it was pretty good. I hate systems but at least there were no stats and the MC's powers and Flaw are different enough from the usual trash to keep things interesting. Unfortunately even though there are 440 chapters, they're pretty short
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>when you're one of maybe three people in the general consistently reading but told you shit up the general because you don't allow newfags to spew their nonsense without consequence
Newfags say the darnedest things. /vg/ and its normalization of generals was a mistake
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I want to read pic related by the pretentiousness of the author exudes from even just the acknowledgement section
is the actual book not written like the author wants to let everybody know how higher above everyone else he is at every page turn?
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>>21021224
It feels weird only reading FH novels while the rest of the world reads BH novels too. My older brother for example prefers Brian's novels.
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>>21021484
Didn't notice anything like that. It's pretty heavy on dense technical language, but then good sci fi is generally written by people who have some expertise in things they write about.
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I am reading the Left Hand of Darkness. In my head canon the protagonist is white and there is nothing Ursula can do about it. Also there is literally nothing to him to indicate that he is black other than he himself describing his skin colour, other than that he thinks and acts like a white man.
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>>21021940
It's like she just writes a normal character then says: He is also black BTW. Like it's going to make a difference, especially in sff setting where no contemporary politics exist. So it think it intellectually lazy to praise Ursula for including POC characters.
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>>21021486
I might end up reading the BH/KJA novels just because Chapterhouse leaves a bunch of plot threads just hanging, if they are a huge bastardization like people say ill just write my own fanfiction about Dan and Marty fucking around with the no-ship like Q from Star Trek or something
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>>21022070
You know how the face dancer Scytale has something inside his body? That something gets used, inside the no-ship. You can imagine the shit that goes down after that. Also lots of Honored Matres stuff that's just cartoonish.
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>>21022474
Yeah I really don't know what use Scytale has for a ghola of Chani. To be fair the Honored Matres are pretty cartoonish in Heretics and Chapterhouse, what with the pussy you literally can't quit, Great Honored Matre is a furry.
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>>21021422
ahhh ye cunt now I have to read another LN.
I fucking hate them but I can't stop reading
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Children of Time is a decent read, but on one aspect it did fail. Orson Scott Card is indeed right in that stories about a Generational Ship are, ultimately, about the life on the ship, not about the destination. The problem is that Tchaikovsky wanted to have his cake and eat it too, so he made the destination (spider planet) the climax of the story. This turned out to be a blunder, as the life on the Generational ship is actually more interesting than the spider civilization and its evolution.

If Tchaikovsky didn't spend half the space building up the spider civilization this story would have turned out horribly.
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>>21021323
Actually, The Fool is Best Girl
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>>21021323
Actually, The Fool is Best girl
>>21021940
Why are americans so obsessed with skin color?
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>>21022460
>>21022675
I may have worded my post in a way that is prone to be misunderstood. Don't get me wrong I'm against identity politics. Its just that many have said Ursula to be kind of subversive feminist author but now that I read her it doesn't seem to be the case and I laugh at the notion that her protagonist is in any way POC, except cosmetically.
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>>21022709
Well you seem to have this idea that a black person inherently thinks and behaves differently than a white person when most behavioural differences tend to come down to culture which wouldn't be nearly as much of a factor in a more openly diverse fantasy world. Like, fuck, Discworld has a few black people but it's hardly more than a thing about them because most humans in Discworld are solidly together because specism is more entertaining.
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>>21022719
In normal fiction setting, this is the belief of those in the left and they extrapolate these ideas to SFF also. It is not my idea to think thus, I have merely entertained their thoughts as I have read this book and found this kind of thinking irrelevant in most SFF. It is not that I think black skin dictates any behaviour, inter alias it is just a cosmetic thing if it is not also assigned some cultural background like being African.
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>>21022709

Le Guin has said some pretty outrageous things in person so the aversion is warranted. Weird race fetishism is sometimes more creepy and uncomfortable than garden variety racism.
I never really liked her books but I chalk that down to the quality of translation and the style, i'm sure they're decent.
The thing is even if somebody's views "aren't in their stories" that's pretty bad too, you end up being a JK Rowling who wants to redefine the context of things after they've been written. It's the kind of cowardly approach to artistry (rampant in Modern Art) that needs to be criticised, where you can sit on the fence about your own work.
I'm not going to whine about Scott Card refusing to accept every modern progressive talking point because his books clearly reflect he has certain beliefs, with Le Guin it's way weirder.
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>>21022930
The Scott Card stuff is more odd because, as people have pointed out, he's had themes of acceptance no matter what, and yet he's very anti-gay.
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>>21022930
Only schizo writers are worth reading. All others are there just to maintain status quo or be entertaining.
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>>21021207
*kisses thot knowing she'd poison and betray him*
*lets het leave*
*proceeds to murder and lifesuck an entire family because HE made a mistake trusting a bitch*
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>>21021940
>he thinks and acts like a white man.

Its a fantasy world. Not San Fransisco
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>>21023243
BANE?
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>>21021940
Not every black person eats watermelon, plays basketball and listen to rap while commiting minor crimes. only african-AMERICANS do that.
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I'm looking at the Wikipedia for the extended Dune universe. Having the prequels for the great houses and the imperial bureaucracies makes sense and could be interesting, but why the fuck would you write another story about Paul other than making money? His character arc was done and he's been analyzed to hell and back by every undergraduate. Why not write a story about Ghanima? She's everything Leto is but without the sandtrout armor so she has opportunities to experience and do things Leto can't, and she doesn't have any content past Children.
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>finish Jurassic park
>Ian malcolm is dead
>lost world
>haha just kidding hes alive!
BRAVO CRICHTON
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>>21023400
name 15 times this happened
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Any fellow Xianxia scholars? I would be grateful if you could share any tip or pointers on the great path of cultivation.
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>>21023400
Crichton had to bring him back because of the movie
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>>21023461
Alchemy is the one true path to ascension.
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>>21023502
Thank you brother, but there are many types of alchemy, if you can give the clearest domain pointing to my dao I would be most appreciative.
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She ruled supreme upon the likes of Wolfe
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>>21023512
Only real alchemy is alchemy of the soul by the way of turning sexual energy into spiritual energy aka chi, ki, vril etc. For best results you should engage in sexual acts with a female partner but refrain from blowing your load, you can also do kundalini yoga or some pranayama and eventually awaken your chakras and go from there
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>>21023548
ok, so what is the title of the book I should read?
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>>21023558
A History of Central Banking and the Enslavement of Mankind
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>>21023575
By Obama?
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>>21023519
Does she have other books with the similar atmosphere to Lathe of Heaven? I loved the tone of that book
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>>21023588
Seriously though I would recommend Path Toward Heaven and Spirit Vessel though I'm not too sure if they are specifically categorized as Xianxia. From what I remember from reading Spirit Vessel it takes quite a while to get interesting so consider yourself warned
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>>21023519
She said Wolfe is our Melville.
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Reverend Insanity

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VzKuJGSVoP0
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>>21023674
She meant that he's gay
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>>21023684
And friends with Fidel Castro
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>>21023674
He liked being ruled upon.
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>>21023674
Just like when a mother praises her child after spanking him until he cries, Wolfe blew cream when she called him a good boy, it means a lot.
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>>21023588
>>21023628
That wasn't me O.O
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>>21021207
Should I read the Hyperion novels or the sprawl trilogy?
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This is...really vanilla. I guess it's my fault for not expecting that but jesus christ does this generic action movie script really need to be a 600 page book?
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>>21023902
haven't read Hyperion but I can say Neuromancer was a hard but rewarding read. I feel like it's a must read actually, whether you end up liking it or not
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>>21023902
>Should I read
You don't, not really anyway if you don't read xianxia.
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>>21023905
Less is more. The first few books were pretty good. It turned into garbage when they started complicating and twisting things though to be fair I only read up to the point where they landed on that solarcell planet, maybe it gotcgood again after that (probably not)
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>>21023902
Only read the first Hyperion. The rest ruin it.
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Is OͦvͮeͤrͬloͦrͬDͩ a good ln?
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>>21023915
>hard
esl moment.
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>>21024076
None of the npc in this thread have unicode plugins, you are going to have to type it in ASCII
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>>21024076
I watched some of the anime, and was a bit disappointed, I don't remember the ln all that well, but it had much more backstory and worldbuliding. There was some bullshit with the vampire guardian, and it all seemed too contrived. Reverse plot armor because you made the mc too powerful is lame.
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>Sandersonian magic set against a dark fantasy backdrop a la Kentaro Miura
I shall now read your novella.
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>>21023902
Gibson's novels are kinda bad in a lot of ways, but they have such a strong sense of themselves and their atmosphere that they're definitely worth reading.

Having said that, I think cyberpunk is so situated in the specific culture of the late 80s/early 90s that a lot of the specific feel of it is aging beyond comprehension.

Also: in terms of the "Trilogy", they really are all pretty much the same book.
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>listen to book one of the Expanse
>two pov characters, both of them are white men
>listen to book two of the Expanse
>four pov characters (so far) two of them are brown women
>one of them is an Indian woman who curses every other word for "comedy"

How many povs does it take for you to drop a book? I honestly think more than three is too much
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Cnaiür urs Skiötha is an awesome character.

The Dûnyain remind me alot of mentats and Paul Atreides in particular
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>>21024337
Who asked?
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>>21024374
me
>>21024337
keep going anon, tell me more
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>>21024337
My favorite part of the series is when the Dûnyain gets cucked by the fat wizard. I also really enjoyed the scene when the Dûnyain tests his long time follower by raping his asshole in a tent.
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What's a book I can read that will teach me about literary devices like "catalogue", "metonymy", "allusion", and "synecdoche"? I know what those individual terms mean when it comes to literature, but I'd like a book that covers as many things like that as I'm able to learn about. I am looking for something that will help me notice literary styles in authors.

I tried reading Terry Eagleton's Literary Theory, but that's actually a book on the broader topic of actual "literary theory" which seems to border "critical theory" and has more of a sociological analysis of literature (bordering leftist deconstructions of literature along structuralist, Marxist, and feminist readings). This is not what I'm looking for.

Originally from my /wsr/ thread:
>>>/wsr/1262994
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>>21024707
Wikipedia
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>>21024076
it's SHIT
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>>21024707
Found this helpful website that seems to be along the lines of what I'm looking for: https://literaryterms.net/ Interested in looking for more books/resources like this.
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>>21024881
Maybe you should go to the threads about it, instead of asking in the thread for talking about science fiction and fantasy books
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>21024913
People here would likely know about these topics and it could be helpful to others interested in writing science fiction. No need to reply if uninterested.
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>>21024963
Fuck you, go back.
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>>21024655
>the Dûnyain tests his long time follower by raping his asshole in a tent.
He was practicing chaos magic. It was all part of a keikaku.
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Is Children of Hurin worth reading if I've already read the Silmarillion? I found the section very intriguing and was wondering if there is more depth/'content' for lack of a better term in the edited version by Christopher Tolkien.
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>>21024963
This is completely off topic for this thread. You will get better responses if you post a new thread on this board with that question. Keep in mind that /lit/ is a slow board.
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>>21025338
Hurin is more detailed than Silmarillion, when it comes to the events depicted. I'd personally recommend it, as you get to see various characters from Silmarillion dramatized. Reading about the Girdle of Melian is one thing, but seeing it be used in a story is another entirely. Keep in mind that it's a tragedy, so don't expect any happy ending, although you do get to read Tolkien's retelling of the Sigurd myth.
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>>21024295
Try Game of Thrones to see how narrative drive is killed by infinite POVs.
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>>21023902
I'd say read the first two Hyperion books. The first book is slower, basically 6 mini-stories about the various characters that find themselves on the pilgrimage. Then book 2 explodes, turning the characters established into a scale rivalling space operas. Especially you'll like it if you agree with the Consul and more traditional political messaging.
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>>21021940
i don't remember him being black
honestly i had a harder time thinking of the other characters as agender rather than just males
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>>21022792
Just caught up with this after dropping the series after a while after the tournament arc.
I'm not a fan of how the past few books are just Lindon going around consuming everything.
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>>21025630
>I want it all
Lindon's going to be the villain isn't he
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>>21024236
Finished this. I liked it. Though there really wasn't any direct Miura influence I could detect. DEFINITELY a Sandersonian magic system which I liked much better than any of Sanderson's magic systems because all of his magic systems gradually boil down to giving his characters anime super powers. This magic system was more subtle and indirect.
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Here's something else to read that isn't Chinese drivel
>Downbelow Station
By C.J. Cherryh
Science fiction. First edition 1981, Hugo Award winner 1982

Setting: a space station above a planet in the TauCeti system. The planet is resource-rich and a turning point of human history, as spacefaring humanity, grown distant from mother Earth and the ruthless Company that rules space travel, forms an Union across a thin string of stations, extending into the great unknown.

Features
>space trade and space travel
>realistic depiction of life in a space station
>politics, plotting and armed conflict
>extreme suspense as the life of thousands of innocents hangs on a thread
>anthropological questions as humanity comes in contact with apelike aliens
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Not only do you force science fiction to share the spotlight with fantasy, but no one ever recommends vintage sci-fi. Putrid
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Post the
>last book you read
>current book
>next book

>The Dragons of Marrow
>Radix (reread)
>no idea, maybe In Other Worlds or I'll get caught up on some VN short stories
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>>21026431
>Death of a Salesman (Miller)
>Biggest Ideas in the Universe (Sean Carroll)
>Use of Weapons (Banks)
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Is this the biggest meme of literature? It's awful. I always see people singing it's praises, but it's just so fucking dull. The prose sucks, the plot sucks, the characters sucks, it's so unimaginative and nonsensical that it might as well be fantasy instead of science fiction. But worst of all, it dull.
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>>21026689
It’s the only book Americans who want to feel smart ever read because they think it „owns the commies“, completely missing the point
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>>21026689
>it's so unimaginative
Believe it or not, but the world turning into a horrifying surveillance state hellhole where all information is disinformation was considered pretty radical when it was written.
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>>21026707
Are his other books like that? At least it seems that animal farm would be passably inventive, but now I'm simply afraid that it might be just as retarded as this.
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>>21025755
No, that's kind of the shtick I think is that the main cast are all villainous tropes who're just good guys.
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>>21026724
Animal Farm is "what if the rise of Soviet Russia was pigs". It's not more than that.
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>>21026715
He didn't even live through the worst of the red scare. It doesn't work. The fabric of society tears, it's not united under any figure.
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>>21026431
>"Shadow Country" by Peter Matthiessen
>"The Castle of Iron" by L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt
>"The Book of Three" by Lloyd Alexander
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>>21026431
Words of Radiance by Brandon Sanderson. Interesting setting, though the characters are a bit generic but solid. I was kinda dissapointed more earth like biomes appeared. It was better when everything was crab.

Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World by Jack Weatherford. Very good read even though the author has a massive hard on for the Mongols. I get the need to dismiss myths perpetuated by other cultures but at times I felt myself wondering if he was going to far in the other direction.

My coworker recommended Shogun by James Clavell. However I'm already very familiar with Japanese history and the size if the novel is a bit much, particularly since general opinion is that it has a weak ending. I might read Hyperion instead.
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>>21026898
The next Sanderson book should enlighten you about the nature of Shinovar and why people prefer to live in the rocky crabby stormy parts instead.
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>>21025877
I read Merchanter's Luck recently and it was pretty good. It's the second book in the series I think, after Downbelow Station.
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>>21026943
Yeah I thought as much. Thats good. Is Edgedancer worth the detour or should I just go straight to Oathbringer?
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>>21026971
It's mostly there to make one character's actions in Oathbringer seem less out of left field but it's entirely dependent on how much you like Lift or not, really, whether you'll like it.
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>>21026987
>Lift
Who?
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>>21026898
Shogun has a fantastic ending.
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>>21027011
Little thief character with the vine spren.
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>>21027011
The one who thinks her powers are "awesomeness". Edgedancer is a Lift-focused novella.
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>>21026898
Based coworker, Shogun is kino all the way through.
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>>21027043
Ohhh. That whole chapter was really bad. Does she talk like a zoomer the whole book?
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>>21027034
>>21027062
Really? He seemed burnt out on it about halfway through. He recomended it but it was kind of a shaky suggestion. Although Though he wasn't at all familiar with Japan historically before reading it.
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>>21027063
Yes and she is a recurring character too. Gets slightly more bearable in the latest book, but still
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What's the name for that genre of chinkshit with an invincible main character where the entire story is a series of epic moments where everyone reveals they're secretly more badass than all the previously revealed badasses?
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>>21026431
>Ghost Ship by Diane Carey
>Caliban's War by James S A Corey
>idk yet probably something non-fiction to give me a break from sci-fi
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>>21027246
Wushu
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>>21027257
Thanks.
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>>21023905
Heard so much about this series. Read the first book and got turned off from reading the rest of the series.
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>>21021940
Imagine reading a book by a woman then coping this hard while you're at it
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>>21026707
Nice try, tranny.
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How come I can't get into books written by women? This isn't even me being a pol chud hater of them. I genuinely can't no matter how hard I try. Even if I think the autor is a guy the story still doesn't grip me and when I look them up it's a women. Can't put my finger on it. It's like they all have this one thing in common with their writing that I can't figure out.
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>>21027698
Because they write like women. I've only read two short stories written by women; the first one (by Tanith Lee) was actually decent. The second one (I can't remember who) read like it was my mom telling me a story. She'll drone on and on about the useless bits and it takes her forever to get to the actual meat of the story and that's exactly what this story felt like.
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>Trying to write whacky and insane, out there fantasy and sci fi stories
>Have trouble writing them because they seem more suited for a visual medium
What do I do?
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>>21027905
I answered you the last time you posted this, but you’re still asking.
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>>21027952
bot
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It sucks when you're reading a book you really want to like, but you're struggling to finish it.
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>>21028201
The second series is sublime, finish the book to read the best series since the dawn of time, don't look for other books they aren't worth a dime, not reading bakker is a crime.
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Any SF or fantasy with a strong Gnostic influence?
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>>21028375
this gets asked once a month or so and the answer is always VALIS
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>>21026898
>>21027077
I couldn't read Shogun because I'm very familiar with Japanese history and he replaced every historic figure with his own OC donut characters. Imagine reading about the Revolutionary War and your character is fighting under General Worge Geshrington and that's how stupid his names feel.
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>>21028551
Seething weeb btfo by the BWC.
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>>21028551
This is like being mad that Harrison Ford's character's name isn't Bill Clinton in Air Force One.
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>>21027813
Idk why this is true.. The chick who wrote Frankenstien was a fucking genius and that book had amazing prose. Woolf was pretty good too.

Where did it go wrong?

>>21021940
I read this high-brow zombie book, Zone One and it tricks you into thinking two main characters are the opposite race until the very end.
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can someone name/give me some good science fiction and cyberpunk books?
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>>21026971
Edgedancer is worth reading, it's not super long, it's good and it introduces a new character that explains her role/situation in oathbringer + she's gonna be a future pov character apparently.
Also explains what szeth has been up to along with the guy he's working for.
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>>21028763
Actually introduces two characters.
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>>21024236
>>21025875
What novella?
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>>21028831
The Hymn of the Pearl by Brian Niemeier
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>tfw 23 Neil Hellegers audiobooks in a row
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Any good sci fi stories where humans discover a long dead, ancient alien civilization with archeology and mystery and shit like that?

Bonus points if said civilization is in fact long dead and not just in hiding? Gateway comes to mind but I dropped it when I found our the HeeChee had just been hiding the whole time.
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>>21026431
The Draco Tavern
Treasure Island
Dunno... maybe restart and finish A Wizard of Earthsea
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Is the Eldrich saga a wise place to start with Moorcock's Eternal Champion, especially if I've never read any of his work before?
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>>21028951
Yes.
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>literal traitors and enemies keep coming back in each Eternal Mercenaries book
I am more annoyed by the fact that some turn into friends and associates, maybe this is just the effect of binge reading and actually remembering what happened in the past books.
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>>21029145
Eternal Mercenaries or Undying Mercenaries? If the latter, that's the series' greatest strength. If it annoys you, you should just drop it.
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>>21027905
read borges and lainez
Latin fantasy in general
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>>21028922
This sounds interesting. I read a novelette about like a colony ship and this was a short arc, they run into a wasteland of a planet with an extinct advanced civilization and there's just mountains of humanoid bones all leading up to and around what used to be a space elevator.

Seems like you could fit a lot of cool mysterious stuff with a premise like that.
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>>21028922
There's the Rama series. Giant alien spaceship rolls through the solar system and a team is sent to investigate it. Lots of mysterious stuff.
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>>21029312
I thought you said Ranma and got very confused
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>>21021422
I checked the site and apparently you as an author have to write 1,500 words daily so I guess that's the reason for the chapter count.
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>>21029312
I abandoned Rama after Mary Sue nigger woman Nicole Des Jardins became the major focus of the storyline and openly cucks two white cis men into fathering her children on the long trip to the robotic space eagle or whatever the fuck.

The Garden of Rama was such an uninteresting unnecessary installment that I forced myself into reading the entirety of in a 24 hour period. The Rama series goes downhill so fucking fast its a damn shame.
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>>21022792
>>21025630
>>21025755
just blazed through all 11 books in under a week. I like it but sometimes all the superpowers being flung around just gets me confused.
grace best girl though, should have lived baka
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>>21027698
this one is actually really great in the later sections. what i don't understand is why this spinoff is of a much higher quality than her main series
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>>21029608
Yeah, for all Wight's ability to write fights, he gets a little bogged down with supernatural stuff sometimes. It's why I think Traveler's Gate has better fights because they're mostly just augmentations to fighting ability rather than the fighting itself is done via powers.
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I've finished the whole Hyperion Cantos series, loved it. What should I read next?
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>>21029608
I think one of Will Wright's big strengths is how he can make minor characters like Grace so likeable despite getting very little focus. Grace is a great side character and you get a good sense of her personality from the way she acts, even though she gets only a little bit of focus. The same can be said for Pride and Shira.
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>>21029946
Read the Hyperion follow up. You already admitted to liking shit.
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>>21029608
Nope. Best girl is Little Blue.
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>>21028761
Foundation and Neuromancer
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For my money, it's the leather-bound editions of ASOIAF
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>>21028761
The Fortunate Fall by Raphael Carter
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>>21021484
Watts doesn't come across as pretentious, and neither does his work. If anything it's slightly wooden and amateur
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>>21029300
What’s it called?
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>Female protag written by male author
>Male protag written by female author
How is this still happening?
It's literally never good or believable.
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>>21030322
Female protag written by a male author is a MILLION times better than a male OR female protag written by a female author.
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>>21030335
nope it's just authors trying to create their perfect waifu so it's cringe to read
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>>21030361
Only if you read crap. The Red Sonja novels from the 80s were written by TWO men and they're good.
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>>21028922
Transfigurations by Michael Bishop is a book I can think of along those lines
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I’ve read The Prince of Nothing and The Aspect Emperor series. I’ve read Throne of Bones. These are the best examples of world-building I can think of for a fantasy setting.

What are some other good Western fantasy series with creative, unorthodox, or dark/mature world-building?

I don’t want to read Brandon Sanderson or George RR Martin or JR Tolkien.
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>>21030466
Oh and I’ve read book of the new sun trilogy
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>>21030466
Dungeon Crawler Carl
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>>21030466
I plan to read Bakker soon. But Tolkien undeniably has the best worldbuilding. Never heard of Throne of Bones before, it looks interesting.
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>>21030093
I like how they didn't leave room in the boxset for Winds of Winter BECAUSE ITS NEVER COMING OUT
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>>21030521
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>>21028761
Sewer, Gas and Electric
Neuromancer
Vurt
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>>21030466
Malazan, traitor son cycle.
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Elric of Melbourne is pretty boring desu
On the second book now
Feels like it was written for kids
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>>21030647
Malazan's world building is as wide as an ocean but only as deep as a puddle. It's trash.
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>>21030719
You wouldn't believe that if you had read it all, it's way deeper than anything else.
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>>21030771
Nope. I've slogged my way through it years ago. There was no depth. Only the illusion of it.
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>>21030775
>Years ago
So you haven't read it all

What is a good example of world building 'depth' to you?
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>>21030777
Read the entire main series, yes. But of course I'm not going to bother with the spin offs if I didn't like the mains series, especially since most seem to say they are worse.
And Tolkien is the obvious one.
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>>21030684
In what way?
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>>21030719
Im gonna have to agree with anon here. Im at the beginning of book two, so far I liked the whole idea of the Wild, but the rest of the world is a hodge-podge of obvious historical parallels.
>>21030647
>>21030771

Im gonna take a guess that youre the anon who said this series is better than ASOIAF a few threads ago, which led to me picking up this series, in which case answer me this - do you have mother issues and/or a femdom fetish?
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>>21030983
>the Wild
You're talking Traitor Son not Malazan. I was saying Malazan had poor world building. Though Traitor Son has poor world building as well. But since I liked the series, I didn't bother to mention that.
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fuck you stupid arrogant ass hole if you are here
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>>21030996
I'm here bitch I'll fuck you up
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>>21031036
no its not you idiot
he always tries to be decent and never posts pics but fuck you too
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>>21030322
>men can't write women
Your indoctrination is showing.
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>>21030861
The dialogue especially in the first book was terrible
Story is very basic
my cousin is so tricky! Oh he betrayed me, I'll give him a second chance... Oh he betrayed me again! This time I'll find him and destroy him... oh he escaped again! This time I'll get him for sure! Actually I forgive him!
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>>21030983
I don't have mother issues or a femdom fetish. You really get that vibe from traitor son?
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>>21030781
>Main series
If you are talking about botf, then you have read less than half of the Malazan content. The other books are hardly spinoffs, two authors literally designed the world together and Erikson himself has prequels which deal with a lot of the ancient history lore as well as a sequel that came out earlier this yeah that reveals still more about the world we didn't know.
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Between Two Fires is one of my all-time favorite fantasy books, yet I think the author is a dumb cunt and I dislike everything about him.
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>>21021484
It's good, echopraxia not so much. The vampires are kinda contrived as a side plot.
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Hi, anons. I'm new here and new to sci-fi & fantasy books. I want to read a fantasy book. What should I read first? Sci-fi might be okay too.
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>>21031542
That's an incredibly broad thing to ask. What sort of things do you like already? What stories have you enjoyed?
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>>21028922
HP Lovecrafts The Mountains of Madness for a quick read
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>>21028551
Oh, see I was wondering about that because because he mentioned a character and explained who he was and I assumed he was just utterly mangling or forgetting the pronunciation of Ieyatsu Tokugawa.
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>>21031571
I just like things like Harry Potter and Game of Thrones.
I've also read Assassin's Apprentice, The Way of Kings, Words of Radiance.
Can you help me not be a pleb anymore, anon?
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>>21031542
If your okay with sci fi you could read Enders Game?
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>>21031731
Well that's... Incredibly basic, so it's hard to really point you in a specific direction. What did you like about what you've read?
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I really don't know much about the fantasy side of things but my friends birthday is coming up and I wanted to get her something interesting. She's read a lot of fantasy though (certainly all the mainstream hits) though so I'm hoping somebody could recommend some hidden gems? I'm more of a science fiction guy myself.
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>>21031836
sabriel so she can experience a good female protag
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>>21031836
Kingkiller Chronicles for that stronk indipendent womyn feel
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>>21030466
Last Dragon by JM McDermott
China Mieville's Bas-Lag books
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>>21030719
true
>>21030771
lol
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>>21031842
This actually sounds fucking awesome. I might pick it up myself too. Good rec I think I'll go with that. Worst comes to shove I'll just include the receipt

>>21031850
Good series but I know we've both read it. Thanks for the rec though friend
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>>21031868
>Good series
lol
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>>21031809
I don't know, anon. The assassin book was shit. The Brandon Sanderson books were okay when it got to the action parts. The rest seems pretty drawn out and dry.
The first two HP are pretty good for atmosphere and introducing everything. Third is boring then it eventually just turns into them going for a long walk like LOTR.
And GOT, I want Daenerys to be my femdom gf and peg my boipucci with a dragon dildo.
What do you have for me now, anon?
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>>21031873
Yeah this whole dynamic was super fucking weird. Almost every single female chatacter would have made a better love interest. Like was she just straight up a prostitute or what? Dude should have forgotten that bitch and hooked up with the loan shark witch or the big titty classmate.
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>reading pic related
>75% of it is about boats
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>>21030521
My thoughts exactly.
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>>21031873
КИHO
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>>21026431
>The Wind in the Door by Madeleine L'Engle
Pretty interesting concept. I only read it, and the book before it, A Wrinkle in Time, because I needed some light reading after The Silmarillion and it had some concepts that were similar to the novel I'm writing.
>A Game of Thrones by GRRM
I was never interested by the books or the show for some reason, but after reading too many books with main protagonist plot armor I decided to give this a go and love it. Just got to the part where they kill Eddard.
>Drive by James Sallis
Not supposed to be as good as the movie, but it's short and I already based my entire personality off the film.
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>>21031873
The characters were gay as hell I just liked the fantasy elements. I pretty much assume all sffg writers can't write women because you have to be a special breed of manchild to write good fantasy.
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>>21031158
I disagree.
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>>21031971
>anon doesn’t like the ship which sails over land and sea
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I need more weird fiction. Been enjoying Mark Samuels, Christopher Slatsky, Jeremy Robert Johnson, Laird Barron and Thomas Ligotti.
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>>21021484
I find Watts absolutely insufferable as a person, Reddit incarnate, but I enjoyed all of his books.
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>>21032070
I mean, I like it, but I didn't expect this book to be so boat-centric. I'm hoping the rest of the Elric saga mixes it up a bit more, not sure how it will though.
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thoughts about Hyperion?
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>>21031205
explain
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>>21032151
Maybe check out A. Lee Martinez? Although I think he's more of a comedy weird.
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>>21032245
amazing book, one of my favorite books to this day
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Maybe someone can help me but I heard that Brandon Sanderson actually wrote a cuck into one of his books. "She might be with him now but she comes back to me at the end of the day" type of thing. Can someone tell me if this is true and if so what book and where?
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>>21032537
Read the thread dumby
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>>21032537
>looking for cuck themes
the absolute state of this board
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>>21032537
Not Sanderson. You mean Patrick Rothfuss. The main character in his novels is obsessed with a rather loose woman. You can see an excerpt here >>21031873
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>>21032537
You are thinking of Scott bakker
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21032736
>>>/wsr/
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>>21031158
Although I enjoyed the first two re-releases, I agree. He makes some truly blockheaded decisions.
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>>21032245
first book is great
second book is good
the third and fourth are almost brian herbert tier, avoid at all costs
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Thoughts on Jack McDevitt? I read The Engines of God and Chindi many years ago, enjoyed them, but it's been so long I don't remember much except finding the mystery and scope of the alien life intriguing. Looking for some similarly grand space novels.
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>>21032991
I read A Talent For War, it was alright. I don't know why the series switches to the pilot woman after that, but I wasn't particularly interested in her character so I stopped reading.
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>>21029985
Endymion and The Rise of Endymion is a part of The Cantos, I read it.
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>>21024295
Even two is pushing it depending on how it's written. I'm fine with switching after climaxes to skip over downtime, but I can't stand the opposite.
>character A in a desperate battle for survival, what will happen next?
>swap to character B basketweaving for 400 pages
>finally starting to get into it, it's the finals of the basketweaving tournament and he's up aggainst thegordian weave, the most complicated of all weaving patterns!
>swap back to character A, there's been a six week timeskip and the battle is over, everyone spends 200 pages talking about how epic and interesting it is and having occasional flashbacks
>throw book into the fireplace
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>>21031882
The Sword of Truth by Terry Goodkind. The MC's main enemy is a legion of dominatrixes wearing skin tight leather fetish suits who want to capture and torture him with magical dildos. Also his love interest has magical femdom powers. And later in the series he meets a coven of magical femdom witches.
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>>21033341
Also there's a pretty good TV series if you want to see it in action. The costumes are really something. Though the story is pretty different.
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>>21032245
First book is legitimately great. Second book is bland and ruins the first. Rest are terrible.
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>>21032537
You want to know which one it is just so you know which one in particular to ignore, right?

RIGHT!?!
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>>21033341
absolutely based, how did he get away with it for so long
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>>21031629
>Hewlett-Packards Lovecraft
No, fuck that cringe weakling faggot and his shitty purple prose.
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>>21033506
lovecraft is my city
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>>21033506
reddit
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>>21021207
Do you think future Star Trek captains will be Chinese when they come to dominate the economy like US had in the past 100 years?
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I want a story where someone discovers something, some object or some technique which allows them to do something supernatural but little do they know that some unknown horror is actually in control
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>>21033578
>reddit
I bet you think that's insulting. In reality it's just nonsense.
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>>21033630
Going to have to agree with the other guy, you smell like Reddit and you are a faggot
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>>21033631
Only disillusioned armchair general republicunt morons discredit a viable threat like China as a "paper tiger"

Remember when they said the Chinese would NEVER cross the Yalu River to contest the UN? Remember when they said that the Chinese volunteer army would NEVER drive the UN forces all the way back to Seoul?

You're a fucking moron my man.
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>>21033578
>>21033633
Samefag
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>>21033660
Got any proof of these completely unsubstantiated claims of yours?
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>>21033673
You got any more wumao/chinaboo cope catchphrases left or do you just cycle through them or what?
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>>21033591
>>21033631
>>21033647
>>21033660
>>21033673
>>21033684
Holy shit, fuck off back to /pol/ with this retardation. Jesus Christ.
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>>21033730
There is no good fantasy or science fiction to talk about anymore.

Dead genres.
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Who has the most kino name in fantasy and why is it Toadkiller Dog?
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>>21033789
had forgotten about black company, any news of upcoming work?
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>>21033789
I read six of those books. They were fun.
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>>21033730
Shut up you fucking creep.
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>>21032991
The earlier books were ok, but I tried reading Firebird and it was just a disconnected mess, I think he started going senile around that time.
Also it was ok at first but at some point realization hits that most of his stories and plot development are basically mc going to some elderly gatherings and jusg talking to old pensioner tier people. It feels like in the futute people do nothing but go to meetings, create pseudo secret societies and talk about antiques in their gatherings..
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>>21033341
Sounds like the book for me. Thanks anon.
>>21033349
>Also there's a pretty good TV series
Legend of the Seeker. I vaguely remember it, since it was quite some time ago when I watched it. I remember liking it though. I liked the dominatrix that turned over to the MC's side.
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>>21032559
>>21032632
>>21032673
Thanks, that excerpt from Rothfuss seems like what I was looking for
>>21032565
>>21033488
I had heard that it was Sanderson that wrote such things, so I was going to add it to my ammunition for which to make fun of Sanderson fanboys and fangirls
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>>21034097
This is why nobody likes you.
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>>21034097
>so I was going to add it to my ammunition for which to make fun of Sanderson fanboys and fangirls
So this is what having no life looks like.
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>>21032151
Try using this general for weird fiction >>20976838
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>>21034107
>>21034124
I was going to take the piss out of my irl friends when they talk about how much they like Sanderson which is why I asked in the first place. Making fun of people online is a fruitless endeavor much less for someone's preferred author
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>>21034380
>Making fun of someone because they enjoy reading
I pray to God, that I don't become this bitter and friendless.
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Just started the fourth book. Anyone else read this?
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>>21034415
>Has anyone else read the most often post book in his general.
Check the archives.
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>>21034422
no
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Bros.
They did it
The ring has been destroyed.
One single tear welled up in my eye when Sam carried Frodo up the mountain for the last push. It's one of the most moving things I've ever read.
Why did I wait so long to read LotR?
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>>21034477
>Why did I wait so long to read LotR?
Because you’re a stupid frogposter.
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>>21034477
I hoped you enjoyed LotR. Because it's all downhill from here.
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>>21021207
wait why was severian forced to eat thecla that's kinda fucked bros
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>>21034484
Wolfe is kind of a coomer. It’s a well known fact.
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>>21033789
Stannis Baratheon.
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>>21024295
>How many povs does it take for you to drop a book?
Nine is my limit. So long as the chapters and the P.O.Vs serve a purpose to the story, I'm willing to overlook it.
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>>21034526
I didn't reread the section yet but don't see severian getting off from this
if anything he's more like coping that he and thecla would be togehter unless wolfe finds that hot but honestly i dunno
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Reading battle royale tonight

>Takako Chigusa chapter
>1 arrow in the leg
>beat by fk nunchaku
>fucked up fight
>still survives
>Mitsuko Souma appears
>mfw
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>>21034543
Again, Wolfe is a coomer, anon. This is a well known fact.
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>>21034546
There is nothing wrong with being a coomer
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>>21024295
3 main ones, maybe 5 if it's a big book, I'll allow up to like 7 or so if it's meant to be a big epic fantasy deal, and intermittent smaller ones are fine for me. Anything more than that and it gets a bit much. I tend to prefer ones with only one major POV and some side POVs though.
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I'm looking for a book with a prodigy protagonist, e.g Artemis Fowl, Ender's Game, Bartemius Trilogy. Any recs?
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>>21034582
>Any recs?
Artemis Fowl, Ender's Game, Bartemius Trilogy.
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>>21031542
If you want your classics:
>Tolkien. Hands down.

If you want your Pulp:
>Robert E Howard's Solomon Kane or Conan stories.

If you want deceptively subtle and otherworldly:
Gene Wolfe's Fifth Head of Cerberus or his Book of the New Sun tetralogy.

Welcome to the genre kid.
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>>21034586
Already read them, which is why I mentioned them. Stop pretending to be retarded.
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>>21034484
Greater forces are at work than just him.
the [EVENT] is coming an he must be prepared for it.
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>>21034561
ok but what media is she from
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>>21033341
Don't forget they actually slap a literal collar on him to control his magic powers.
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Are Asimov, Clarke, and PKD novels dry and tedious, or is that just my recollection of trying to read them as a kid and finding them boring?
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>>21034677
Have you tried reading them again, as an adult and finding out?
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>>21034677
asimov is a bit dry, yeah. pkd depends what stories you're reading
you mean clark ashton smith? hes top tier
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>>21034677
It's not a coincidence the popularity of sci-fi literature died during the supposed 'golden age.'
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>>21034694
Nah. Maybe I'll try Foundation or 2001.
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Thoughts on Tchaikovsky? I rarely see sci-fi being discussed on here and I just finished Children of Ruin, thought it was great. Thinking of picking up Dogs of War.
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>>21034801
Meant to add this
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>>21034801
>Thoughts on Tchaikovsky?
If you scrolled up on top of the thread, you would see an anon discussing Children of Time >>21022629
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>>21034808
>Expecting any anon to the absolute bare minimum
Just tell him to check the archives.
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>>21034813
>>21034808
ok fair
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>>21034813
>>21034808
Wait no one even responded to him and he isn't discussing anything I want to talk about
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>>21034801
>>21034817
>>21034824
Check the archives.
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>>21034832
I want to have my own discussion stfu
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>>21034582
Seconding this anon recommendations >>21034586
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>>21034483
The scouring is the most important part
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>>21021207
Gotta say, I'm real surprised by this thread being slow and comfy. It last for about 3 days, wish more threads were like this.
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>>21034944
This thread was great, hopefully, the next thread will be the same.
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>>21034944
>>21034982
I’m hoping this becomes a recurring trend now.
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>>21034982
Lots of good discussions and an overall improvement. Not going to lie, but I’m shocked.
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>>21034887
It's my most favorite part
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>>21034944
Not that surprising, years ago, this General would last for days. It’s just going back to its roots.
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>>21035016
As long as the quality is improving, I don't care. This is the best thread in a while.
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>>21034944
>It last for about 3 days
Now that you mention it, you’re right. Never thought I’ll see that.
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>>21034944
>I'm real surprised by this thread being slow and comfy
School is back in session, it was bound to happen sooner or later.
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New thread.
>>21035289



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