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>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·
>>20984840

>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·
https://mega dot nz/folder/9o4QEIIK#P3piz8Bfw-z7jgb7Q8NWDg

>Mέγα τὸ ANE
https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg

All claims about language learning methods must be backed up with the language in question.

Ignore the trolls.
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>>21019683
First for bald man.
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>>21019683
>All claims about language learning methods must be backed up with the language in question.
Output in a language is a different skill than understanding input. This is for classical languages. Aside from some kissless retards, most people here just want to read, not order a pizza in Akkadian.

A better solution would be to just stop arguing about pedagogy and just share constructive advice rather than lecturing about what the "best" method or book is.
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>>21019702
>primus pro calvo
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>>21019734
It's a rule to prevent latin spergs to shit up the thread. I any case I think it's practically impossible to be read more or less fluently a language and not being able to write down a few simple sentences.
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>>21019751
In fact it should specify that only applies to latin.
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>>21019751
>to be read
fuck me I always forget to delete something after rephrasing
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>>21019751
It doesn't prevent anyone from doing anything. It's a pretentious rule that is given without any authority. Lots of linguists can read languages without being able to argue about pedagogy in that language. Nobody wants to larp with you guys. Go to fucking Discord or something.
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>>21019838
I simply report every English post about lispi because those are always troll posts, simple as.
I also don't even consider the opinion of someone who isn't capable of provide a simple explanation in the language he is supposedly an expert. It's just a simple way to filter bullshitters. This may not be sensible for languages with small corpora but it works wonderfully for Latin.
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>>21019925
>the language he is supposedly an expert
This is the problem with you guys. Nobody in the history of CLG has ever said, "hello I'm an expert".

This is literally like if some criticizes a script and your response is "Oh yeah I'd like to see you make a better movie!"

Its childish and dumb. People can disagree and it doesn't mean they are passing themselves off as super mega geniuses who know everything. They might just think that you are wrong.
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>>21019683
I'm sure this has been asked before, but I'm trying to decide whether I should learn to read Homer in Ancient Greek first, or read in English first then learn to read it in Greek?
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>>21019941
I don't care. I always check whatever I read here and answers in latin tend to be correct, but you can't never trust english answers. I've read so much bullshit here is not even funny anymore.
Can't write latin, opinion discarded.
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Has anyone translated a manga into latin?
If not, what would be a good manga to translate?
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>>21020027
>what would be a good manga to translate?
yotsuba&! of course
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>>21019801
Germanic vowels are closer to original Roman ones. They simply sound better than Mario's, too.
Also, the RRRRRRR is fuking gay and silly.
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>>21020072
nigger
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>>21020079
Ok schizo control freak. Keep tapping that report button you weirdo. It's the only thing you will be tapping anytime soon, kek.
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>>21020027
I want to try translating Deathnote sometime, but my latin isn't good enough yet.
It's a relatively short manga but I imagine it's got some difficult sentences in it, but it's my favorite so maybe one day
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>>21020027
something that could be translated using exclusively classical vocabulary
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>>21020288
translating manga into english has the problem of japanese language quirks too so it may be difficult for any manga
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>>21019985
>can't never trust
>is not even funny
nigger you can't even write English
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>>21019974
English first, then Greek. Better for comprehension.
Start studying Greek now.
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>>21020473
and in fact you will never see me giving lessons on english
same with latin, you can immediately see if someone is full of bullshit by how he writes
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>>21019974
As someone who is reading the illiad in Greek in class I have to say read English first. Better to get the gist then later come back to it. A good book for getting up to your greek is Pharr's homeric greek (apparently 2nd edition is best), which I use mainly for vocab but it covers the grammar.
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>>21020027
historie
but its still running
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>>21019683
>For those working on Old/Middle English:
What resources do you use to practice? While Middle English is far easier to dive into with minimal resources, Old English is rather difficult. How is that going for you all?
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>>21020741
What the hell is this?
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>>21020965
Those are not classical languages
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>>21019683
Plures quaestiones de genero passivo deponentive impersonalive:
Genus passivus verborum intransitivorum significationem impersonalem habet. Habentne etiam verba transitiva semper hanc proprietatem?
Verbi gratia
>In totis aedibus bibitur estur quasi in popina (Plautus)
>si mangia, si bebe / se come, se bebe
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τίνα ὑμῶν βινήσω τὸ σήμερον εἶναι;
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>>21020027
>>21020191
Kind strangers on Reddit got you covered.
https://www.reddit.com/r/latin/comments/x1lur7/death_note_capitulum_ii_latin_translation/
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>>21021233
Yes, sometimes
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>>21021667
βινήσω γέρας ἡδυ ἐγὼ δίου Αχιλῆος.
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>>21021829
Sounds like autistic minds think alike,
but it also sounds like I need to think of another manga
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>>21021233
Cur nuntios meos aliis filiis scriptos geminas?
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>>21021829
The same dude who did that also did this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr_ayBsEe3M
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What are some good fiction books in Latin?
I saw the Hobbit, any others?
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>>21022539
What's this obsession with "ille"? "Hobbitus" or "Hobbit" is just fine.
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>>21022589
emphasis on The as Biblo was the most important Hobbit
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>>21020027
Kill yourself
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What's this theme I see on this thread of people thinking that Latin never emphasizes anything?
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>>21022609
because there's maybe only one or two people who actually know latin itt (I'm not one of them btw)
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>>21022539
Harry Potter you fucking faggot
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>>21022602
No. Its just doglatin.
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>>21022602
Yeah I get it, but natively latin speakers didn't ever use "ille" as "the", it eventually developed in romance languages, but in latin per se there is no article, they should've translated it like in other languages that don't use articles.
Ille in context of "emphasis" (it's not actually emphatic but still a demonstrative) is more like "that one", and fits better in a discourse than a book's title. Morphologically weakening the meaning of "ille" is more akin to medieval latin, but medieval latin is regarded as polluted after the renaissance. Thus it looks like a forced translation from English instead of an interpretation. Also you don't have to force every word to the second declension like a 19th c. zoologist, it doesn't sound natural.
As a side note, "ille hobbitus" sounds better because you can elide one syllable.
>and Winnie ille Pu
that's a meme, it passes (Winnie the Pooh is non sense in the first place)
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>>21020027
A few doujins have been at least, check sadpanda's language:latin$ tag. Though apparently not all in very good Latin.
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>>21023024
>that's a meme, it passes (Winnie the Pooh is non sense in the first place)
I agree on all points. One further objection is that they should have retained the spelling of Pooh.
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>>21022398
This kind of thing reminds me a bit of some of Minerva Scientia's stuff.
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>>21023142
Why? Did the Romance retain the spelling of foreign words?
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>>21023149
*Romans, why can't I English
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>>21023160
*Romanes
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>>21023149
No that never happened anywhere except English in medieval times
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>>21023172
Lol
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>>21023188
Nowhere? I'm pretty sure I've seen Europeans in the modern day keeping the original spelling of English words.
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>>21023194
I mean historically.
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>>21023205
What about something like Thai spelling Sanskrit words etymologically? Or is that not the kind of thing you're talking about?
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>>21023215
No
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>>21019683
given machine learning success do you believe that in 20 years we'll be getting A.I translation into ancient greek or latin of any book we so desire ? Imagine a hemingway translation into ancient greek or pynchon in latin
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>>21023402
probably
it's over for translation monkeys
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>>21023402
you will be able to even choose in which style you want the translation done
>translate x into y as if it was written by z
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>>21023402
AI translation is getting better all the time, but it won't reach human level until we have basically strong AI and at that point we will have much bigger things to worry about.
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How many languages do you guys know?
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>>21024235
1
English
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>>21024235
Two fluently, two conversationally, smatterings of several.
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>>21024235
unironically zero
>speak mother language badly with foreign accent
>speak second language with extremely closed dialectal accent
>but can't speak proper dialect
>english pronunciation is absolute shit
My only hope is to actually learn Latin.
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>>21024325
>speak mother language badly with foreign accent
same. it's horrible
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>>21024325
>>21024382
How does that happen exactly? Raised by immigrants who just spoke the host language poorly instead of their native language?
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>>21024235
Am spic born in America; parents only speak spanish. Parents didn't converse with me much because father worked and mother had 9 other children to take care of. My spanish is absolutely awful, but I understand the gist of it (sometimes). I have an accent in english because it's not my native language. I sound like a bumbling fool and trip over words all of the time. All in all, I can speak 0 languages fluently, so I am basically autistic. I try to find solace in the fact that I can at least think precisely, but even that is a lie sometimes. Hopefully, when I learn latin and try to speak to people who inevitably won't understand me I'll pass it off and tell them it's all greek, cue >picrel
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>>21024440
You have to go back.
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>>21024446
Nope. I got a good gig here. Vibing and thriving; Learning and curving; dunking with nothing. It's good; this life.
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>>21024440
Idiot, you write English fine and you have the base to learn Spanish properly and read delicious Spanish poetry but instead you're self loathing. You literally were gifted bilingualism which you could achieve with a little effort. Learn Latin of course, but work on your Spanish too, and don't let it go to waste!!
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>>21024456
holy fucking based
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>>21024456
America is not for you. Go back to your own country.
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>>21020027
Isnt it a joke that if it exists there's a manga/anime about it? I doubt that it hasnt been done before.
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>>21024402
>be kid
>learn to talk
>move to another country
>that part of the country has its own dialect, but use standard in media and education
>learn a bastardized mix of those
>start to forget first language, since used only to speak with parents
>learn english as an adult
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btw, how would you translate greentext? when you open with
>be me
what verbal tense are you using? imperative?
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>>21020288
so, gay hentai
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>>21024513
There's a manga for an awful lot of obscure things, but unfortunately there is not a manga about /clg/ yet
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>>21024533
greentext talk has a uniquely retarded way of talking that gives it character. That character would probably be lost by translating it.

It's like "be an hero" as a way of saying "kill yourself" just wouldn't be any sense in latin.
Or "all your base are belong to us" because the humour of it is that it's in english, and bad english at that
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Are there any words that come into Latin from Greek, not words with a common origin, that reflect a digamma? In my Greek class today, we talked about a hidden digamma in The Wasps, which would mean they were pronouncing them in Classical times.
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>>21024639
Historie.
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>quu was actually pronounced and written quo in classical times
>i was not only jj between vowels, but could also be jji like in reicio (rejjicio)
Last one makes sense once you know the etymology (re + iacio) but come on, it almost feel like learning English orthography again
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>>21024533
>>21024647
I've been wondering how to speak like Spurdo in Latin for a while now.
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>>21024926
DIGO LADINA :D:D EHEU!!! :DDD MENDULA xDDDDD
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>>21024497
And how long have your ancestors been there?
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>>21024533
The greentexts I've seen in Spanish, at least, generally render it as infinitive i.e.
>ser yo
So I guess if you follow that it would be
>esse ego
or something
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>>21025199
>esse me
>litteris viridibus scribere
sed vidi etiam italicos imperativo usos
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>>21025268
You saw italics being used in the imperative?
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>>21024949
>MENDULA
kek
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>>21025284
He will dismiss this because it wasn't written in atrocious pig latin
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>>21025339
No, I'm asking for clarification on what this person means because I didn't understand it.
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>>21025284
deponent past participles have active meaning
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>>21019702
Sal-WAY
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>>21025359
You saw Italians using it in the imperative?
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>>21025396
making use of the imperative
utor takes the ablative
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>>21025407
Ah okay, guess there's still a lot I need to learn. But so it seems like it could go either way.
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>>21025339
The term you're looking for is "dog latin"
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>>21025339
pig latin
What's wrong with that sentence?
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>>21025493
He's a demoralization shill
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sneed
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sneedvs
Feedvs et Seedvs
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slow day huh? hope everyone is studying something
finally reading the Iliad on my own after being accompanied by the JACT intro through book 22 and part of 6, it's nice to also start finally "hearing" it through the meter
for those interested I like using these two resources, the first for the meter("visualizza metrica" button for those who don't speak Italian), the second to look up unknown words on the go with a click
http://www.poesialatina.it/_ns/Greek/testi/Homerus/Ilias01.htm
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3atext%3a1999.01.0133
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>>21026820
The oldest known marketing pun is a wine store discovered in Pompeii called "Vesuvinum," a portmanteau of the local mountain Vesuvius and vinum (wine)
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>>21025373
Weenie weedie wiki!
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>>21026820
>Feedvs et Seedvs

*Feedvs Seedvsque
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>>21027606
nice resources, the first site is amazing
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>>21027614
Humans really haven't changed that much, huh?
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>>21028722
They’ve changed.
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>>21029237
How do you figure?
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>>21019683
>primus pro calvo
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>create Latin language meetup
>rsvp's no-show
>just getting tipsy reading LLPSI at a bar
>wife doesnt know I'm here cuz she'd implode from cringe

Been studying Latin solo (no uni courses) but it doesnt feel right without an interactive, live speech component. Any anon's feel this way? I want to be fluent like bald man.
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>>21029357
>I want to be fluent like bald man.
I almost replied to this with a serious answer. Here I'll try anyways.

Nobody showed up because nobody that follows that method actually goes anywhere near fluency. The only people who can function at those kinds of meet ups are Romance language speakers.

>just getting tipsy reading LLPSI at a bar
That's so fucking dumb, why can't you just get in a voice chat with people? Also if you are supposedly at a speaking level, why are you still drooling over that book?
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>>21024533
historical infinitive
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>>21029357
Scribito hic, aliquis aliquando latine respondebit.
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>>21029720
Thanks, only at chapter 7 in LLSPI Familia Romana. I can already tell my verbal ability is *nowhere* near my reading ability. (decoding declensions feels easy, encoding feels very hard). I feel like I could probably blast through the whole thing in a few months, reading wise, but it really bugs me that I can't think of what to write or say on the fly.

Am I worrying about the wrong thing? Is it possible (or even preferable) to circle back after completing the 35 chapters of reading and listening comprehension, and do remedial conversational Latin?
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>>21030419
You need to side it with a grammar book, there are many nuances in latin grammar, the case system is something you just get used to intuitively. LLPSI is great for reading, unlike most people here, I appreaciate the increasing difficulty so you can practice reading comprehension based on your knowledge level. But the hardest thing in latin is syntax and how it interacts with grammar, it's totally alien to modern languages so you will never be able to speak and write in it without doubting if what you are saying is correct.
To speak a language without stumbling too much you need at least a B1 knowledge, that is being able to read and fully comprehend "easy" books like the Vulgate, De Bello Gallico, Ab Urbe Condita etc.. .
My suggestion is to get a copy of Latin: An Intesive Course from libgen and finish both.
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>>21030455
But doesn't it explicitly discuss grammar? It just starts with examples.
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>>21030419
>I can already tell my verbal ability is *nowhere* near my reading ability
This is completely normal btw. Reading is a completely different skill from writing and speaking (there is a reason why Latin prose is generally considered a harder thing). You have to train the stuff on its own, you can have a million grammar and input books and still be incapable of speaking Latin properly because you haven't practiced. You are generally told, as in the case of Wheelocks and LLPSI to read out loud and to understand what you are saying.
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>>21030770
what?
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Which modern Germanic language would be most helpful in learning Old English, grammar wise?
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>>21031889
Icelandic maybe? I don't know a lot about germanic languages, but Icelandic is the most conservative and you'd be able to read norse texts, so I guess it's the best compromise.
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>>21032460
Thank you :) I was already looking at Icelandic and thought so, as well. Grammatically it's very similar, but the vocabulary seems quite different, so I was wondering what other anons would say
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The passing of a hero who died in war

He drew out an arrow from his side;
colourless the hero fell to ground;
his soul journeyed to his fathers unmild,
to the bare island of the highest storms,
chasing spirit boars of mist on the wings
of mighty winds through bare rock.
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>>21031889
Middle English. Start with Early Modern English. Read the King James Bible, then John Milton, then Shakespeare, then Chaucer, then get a comparative grammar of Old and Middle English and use it with a dictionary to read Beowulf.
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>>21030770
>But doesn't it explicitly discuss grammar?
If you actually fell for this meme that explicitly discussing grammar somehow prevents you from learning a language, then just give up and learn Spanish on Duolingo.
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>>21030419
>circle back after completing the 35 chapters
Don't bother rereading this book more than once. The story is not very good and it's incredibly repetitive. Just blast through it and do as many grammar textbooks to review as possible while working through the Vulgate or Nepos. You can read stuff like Attic Nights or Fabulae Faciles if you are still struggling.
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>>21030828
LLPSI has sections at the end of each chapter discussing grammar explicitly.
>>21033003
Not at all, I think it can be helpful provided it's treated as an aid to language acquisition and not a substitute for it. I'm saying that LLPSI does explicitly discuss grammar.
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>>21033003
reading comprehension: 0
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>>21033043
>LLPSI has sections at the end of each chapter discussing grammar explicitly.
You're better off with the companion book that explains the grammar of each chapter in English. Downloadable on libgen
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>>21033043
>I'm saying that LLPSI does explicitly discuss grammar.
Aren't you are on chapter 7? I'm sure you can guess the early stuff, but my friend stop being naive.

As someone who is way ahead of you, let me go ahead and tell you it does not explain grammar well at all. It might say "x = subjunctivus", but it doesn't explain what the fuck a "subjunctivus" verb is. Just putting a name and example next to something is not an explanation - it's an example. It has grammar examples, not explanations.

For example: I can point to John and tell you he is a Mormon, but that doesn't really tell you anything about Mormonism other than what you can assume based on what you know about John's behavior. You don't want to be assuming stuff when you are learning a highly inflected language.
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>>21033267
What does it include that FR itself doesn't?
>>21033272
I got as far as chapter twenty-something, I don't remember exactly. I've sort of fallen off Latin for a little while.
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>>21033337
>What does it include that FR itself doesn't?
English. Explanations. Definitions. Discussion of syntax.
>>21033337
>I got as far as chapter twenty-something, I don't remember exactly. I've sort of fallen off Latin for a little while.
Why is it always people who haven't even finished their books that want to argue with everyone who did about which method is superior. Just download a grammar PDF and stop being so hardheaded. It's not cheating, it's how people have learned languages going back 5000 years all the way back to the Sumerians. We literally have cunieform tablets of grammar exercises for Akkadians learning Sumerian, Sanskrit grammars, and Latin/Greek comparative grammars. This stuff was for 10 year old boys, surely you are not this much of a waterhead that you can't do it too.
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>>21033357
I don't know, I agree explicit grammar instruction as a supplement to language acquisition rather than a substitute for it can be beneficial, I guess I just tend to err on the side of comprehensible input because it's so commonly treated as a substitute rather than a supplement.
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>>21033377
>I don't know, I agree explicit grammar instruction as a supplement to language acquisition rather than a substitute for it can be beneficial, I guess I just tend to err on the side of comprehensible input because it's so commonly treated as a substitute rather than a supplement.
My friend, the point that I'm making is that you haven't even finished your textbook, but because you watched a YouTube video from someone trying to get Patreon supporters you are convinced that the way people learned languages for centuries is all of the sudden inferior. Despite the fact that the very people promoting this idea nowadays have a weaker understanding Latin that at any point in the last 2 thousand years that they are calling inferior or 'wrong'.
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>>21033460
stephen krashen has a patreon? this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a61Dc_EFuI4 has a "weaker understanding of latin" than those traditionally trained classicists that barely read latin and don't speak it at all? you have some wacky opinions my dude
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>>21033510
You posted a video of an Italian speaking Latin. Post a video a monolingual English speaker who learned using this method without any prior attempt to study grammar and without any prior study of a Romanace language. You won't find one. Not not even Bald Man. Ranieri studied Italian for 7 years and lived in Naples prior to even touching Latin.

You might as well post a video of an Icelandic person speaking Old Norse in order to prove that a Chinese person doesn't need to study Norse grammar directly since he didn't either.
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>>21033556
>Post a video a monolingual English speaker
why? i'm not a monolingual english speaker, i don't care about your problems. also you moved the goalpost to another continent. if your claim is just that comprehensible input doesn't work for latin unless you've learned languages before then it's pretty much a non-issue, because who picks latin as their first language ever? do six months of italian before starting latin if you think you need it, it's very easy.
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>>21033608
>i don't care about your problems.
Thank you so much, I don't remember asking you to.
> if your claim is just that comprehensible input doesn't work for latin unless you've learned languages before then it's pretty much a non-issue
That is my one and only claim, now fuck off.
>because who picks latin as their first language ever? do six months of italian before starting latin if you think you need it, it's very easy.
The people who make the videos that you watch and write the Reddit posts that you keep quoting.

Goodnight. I'm going to go study.
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>>21033828
fag
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>>21033884
>fag
You will never be a real Latin speaker, tranny Discord mod
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>>21033913
i'm studying greek, not latin. you're just a fag.
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>>21033939
I caught it so you lose
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>>21033012
Anon here on ch 7 of LLSPI...thanks. Your insight is appreciated. Didn't appreciate the difficulty of learning an inflected language: fun as fuck, but keep getting memory collisions on just the 1st and 2nd declension because it all sounds the same. ESPECIALLY so for 3rd person pronouns; which one is which? Reading is easy, but encoding thoughts into Latin... so difficult, brain still structured around prepositions and word order, not inflections. I feel like you have to actually use the language, else you're stuck using lookup tables in your head, to decode how everything "declines".

Solution: babling to oneself in Latin occasionally throughout the day..."Aemilia eum vocat. Aemilia eī ōsculum dat. Is Aemiliae ōsculum dat. Aemilia eius māter est. Aemilia ab eō (?) discēdit." And so on.

Side effect: autism
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>>21033460
Grammar-translation isn't 'how people learned for centuries', it's primarily a product of the past couple centuries. Explicit grammar instruction has been present for centuries, yes, but that's not the same thing as grammar-translation. And the overwhelming scientific evidence is not just some YouTuber's opinion.
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>>21034040
>Grammar-translation
I never once used the word translation in a single one of my posts.
> Explicit grammar instruction has been present for centuries
Yeah I know, that's what I said. What the fuck are you on about with this translation nonsense?
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>>21034040
>overwhelming scientific evidence is not just some YouTuber's opinion.
Then stop posting youtube videos as citations.
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>>21033510
>this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a61Dc_EFuI4 [Open] has a "weaker understanding of latin" than those traditionally trained classicists
proof? isn't he a "traditionally trained classicist", whatever it means?
In any case based Miraglia, that talk is amazing, I recommend to listen it to everyone.
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>>21034216
>isn't he a "traditionally trained classicist", whatever it means?
You tell me, it's your term not mine.

You already know I said he was Italian. A lot of people are giving advice to Amerimutts that they can infer Latin without grammar. I don't give a fuck if a Hindi person can learn Sanskrit through comprehensible input, that does not help the English speakers who are falling for this meme.
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>>21034185
I don't, don't conflate me with other anons.
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>>21034220
lmao at English speakers sincerely
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a61Dc_EFuI4
since we're speaking about miraglia (pbuh)... am I the only one who sees some sort of contradiction in what he says?
>Latin should remain dead, since it means it remains unchanged, it is its emulumentum
sensible, after hearing his arguments I totally agree (also no faggot pronouns kek)
>we can still understand latin authors by directly using latin instead of translating it (the example about the weather/climate and the shorter and faster sentence for stylistic reasons, mortuo cesare)
>latin is therefore perfect ad humanitatem tradendam
>but in the beginning be critiques those circles who talk about planes in latin with fake words
I mean, if you want to use latin you need to use neologisms at some point, no? Isn't that the purpose of those groups, to get use to the latin language to better access to the literature? doesn't he have an academia where only latin is used? what am I missing here?
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>>21034284
sorry not listening to a cucktholic pronouncer
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>>21034284
>>21034296
this, I can't take seriously Latin spoken with supermario accent
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>>21034284
listening it again I think he's only criticizing the superfluous purpose of those circles which want to revive latin, no?
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>>21034296
>>21034307
Why? Up until recently pretty much everyone pronounced Latin in some traditional pronunciation or another.
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how do you say "how did you find the book (good/bad)" in latin?
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>>21034364
just listen to it lmao
it's been proven that latin sounded closer to german, specially in the vowels, than to shitalian
which makes sense when we consider that fagitalians are mostly semitic people who learned latin as LSL
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>>21034420
now post this in latin
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>>21034426
What would it change? That's how it is, modern Germanic people is closer, both genetically and linguistically, to ancient Romans than modern "Italians".
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you people don't even read latin you just talk about people who talk about it

kill yourselves, unironically
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>>21034284
I just read in the comments two faggots seething because he doesn't admit women in his academy. Is Miraglia, I dare to say, /our guy/?
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>>21034455
>noooooooo not my hecking italerinos noooo
checked nonetheless
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>>21034404
something like
>quomodo liber tibi visus est?
maybe? not sure about quomodo
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I can't speak for the Greekchads but it's obvious to me now the Latin-learning component of this general is made up of nothing but midwits and retarded tradcath zoomers who were filtered by LLPSI or whatever else but still want to LARP as knowledgeable, so they cope by endlessly discussing latin-adjacent topics instead of just fucking off.

I'd genuinely be shocked if more than two or three people ITT had above an A1 grasp of Latin.
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>>21034524
Most of these people are in the chapter 5-15 range and will never progress past that, but will argue with everyone here like experts for the next 5-15 years.
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>>21034524
>midwits
being a midwit is good, you don't need to be gifted to learn a language, only a dimwit would use the word midwit as a derogatory term in this context
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>>21034571
>you don't need to be gifted to learn a language
You do when it's a dead language like Latin.
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>>21034581
Latin will always be inaccessible to midwits because:

1. Learning it requires passion and dedication, two qualities midwits do not possess.
2. There isn't a big or active enough community of (key word) competent Latin speakers for it to be viable to learn via the natural method.
3. It actually is a very difficult language to master.
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>>21034579
mediocris sum (fortasse etiam tardus) et sermonem Latinum didicit; etiamsi peritus non adsum sum praveque scribo, nam paucis mensis studui, iam legere simplices libros, verbi gratia novum testamentum, potui. humanitates faciles sum, tantum tempus postulant, mathematicae et scientiae naturales difficiliores et verum ingenium hebere ad eas discendas necesse est; atque ab experientia propria loquor, liquor enim ab iis.
sicut dixit, adhuc prave scribo, sed scribo (memento me mediocrem esse)
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>>21034614
litteraliter me mediocrem esse (spero, suspicio vero stultus esse) et paucum Latinae linguae loqui possum
Nam ne scholam mediam quidem conficere potui :(
I don't know how to say waiter but that's my job, I literally can't do anything else
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>>21034641
>mediocris sum et sermonem Latinum didicit
>peritus non adsum
>paucis mensis studui
>iam legere potui
>humanitates faciles sum
>etc.
literally every single clause in your post has some kind of glaring mistake
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>>21034673
I would be bery grateful if you correct them. thanks!
I finished LIPSI in april, as I said I wasn't even able to finish middle school so pretty aure I'm dumb as a rock, but I'm sure in maybe two or three years will reach a decent latin level. wish me luck, bros
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>>21034673
sorry I wrote them in a rush
>mediocris sum et sermonem Latinum didicit
didici
>>peritus non adsum
adhuc
>>paucis mensis studui
mensibus
>>iam legere potui
??
>>humanitates faciles sum
sunt
>>etc.
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>>21034687
btw pretty sure at least two of those were due to the auto-correct (yes I'm a miserable phoneposter)
anyway, I'm literally one of the dumbest people I know, have fried my brain with drugs, and more or less I've learnt some latin in the last months (while working full time as a waiter).
That means necessarily that a midwit can master Latin without too much problems, he just need to study
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>>21034708
>That means necessarily that a midwit can master Latin
And yet everything you've posted ITT has abundantly demonstrated that you haven't mastered even the basic Latin in LLPSI.
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>>21034730
nunquam dixi me peritum esse, attamen plurimae illarum mendarum fecit quia alacriter utens telephono scripsi
interea tu ne unum verbum Latinum quidem scripsisti. an nihil vero sapias?
tantum rem unam dico: etiam homo stultus ut ego sum sermonem latinum discere potest
fortasse minus intelligens quam putas, es
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>>21034468
Why doesn't he admit women?
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>>21034730
Be constructive, don't be a fucking faggot.
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>>21034776
addo: olim perscrutationem intelligentiae agit, gradum nonaginta obtinui (90 IQ)
et mihi stolidior videris ahahae
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>>21034799
>agit
agi :S
nescio si menda ista peccata telephoni aut stultitiae meae sint
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>>21034614
>There isn't a big or active enough community of (key word) competent Latin speakers for it to be viable to learn via the natural method.
No one here will ever concede this, you are wasting your breath. I've given up trying to explain to these people that Latin is not high school Spanish.
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>esse me
>litteraliter dementem
>latine melius quam te scribere posse
cordati mortem sibi consciscere deliberantes
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>>21034894
now post this in latin
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you're all such fucking posers
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si forte aliquis me esse fingere voluerit
>>21034981
ne hispanice quidem potuisset
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>filum intrare vos quos estis idiotas ad dicendos
>efficere ut ex omnibus stultissimus tripcodicem sumat
numquam rursus hic scribam
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>>21035071
optime, claude portam cum exires
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>>21035085
oblectamini
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How can I learn old welsh?
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>>21035071
>>filum intrare vos quos estis idiotas ad dicendos
shouldn't it be "qui estis idiotae"?
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>>21035103
I think he means
>filum intrare vos, qui estis idiotae, ad dicendum
please correct me if I'm wrong
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>>21034420
Palatization has nothing to do with semitism (semites don't even have palatized consonants, their languages are very pharyngeal), it could happen to slavic langs as well but they have been conserving it as a feature rather than a transitional phase.
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>>21035097
Learn modern literary welsh, then work backwards.
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>>21034981
>write it in Latin
When is this tired meme going to die? Funny how the people who constantly demand that other people write in Latin never actually defend any of their own arguments or dismantle any opposing arguments.
>I have no argument, now write an internet chat in a 2000 year old dead language to prove that you can read it!

Nobody wants to debate you in Latin or order pizza in Latin or do sports commentary in Latin or chat with coworkers in the breakroom in Latin or talk about our favorite anime waifus in Latin, we are trying to read classical literature - which you clearly have no interest in. Reading and writing are not the same skill, nor are listening and speaking. People are not arguing about what's the best way to win internet arguments in Latin, they are arguing about what's the best way to be able to read Cicero. And as many of the above posts show, even the people trying to flex by writing in Latin are making a fucking ass-ton of mistakes and are embarrassing themselves.
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>>21035260
there's literally a retard itt who claims to have an iq of 90 who seems to be able to write somehow in latin, it can't be that hard
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>>21035283
>it can't be that hard
>It can't be that hard to do the thing that you actually practice daily and intend to get out of your studies in the first place?
Yeah, proving my honor in a 4chan purity test by writing in Latin is not one of my priorities in my studies, sorry. If that was his priority, I hope he got what he wanted. He can write 30 sentences in bad Latin online, but he can't get through 3 sentences of Horace and you and I know that for a fact.

Some people want to learn French to order in a cafe in Paris, some want to read Satre and could give less of a fuck if they can put a sentence together. This is not a difficult concept to appreciate.
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>>21035260
>be able to read Cicero
are you?
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>>21035344
>This is not a difficult concept to appreciate.
I find pretty hard to believe that if someone have the level to read literature, and have spent some time doing it, he can't write more or less straightforward correct sentences.
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>>21035345
>never refute a single point just make ad hominems
>write it in Latin!
>you can't read either!
>prove it!
I'm not the one giving advice in this thread pal. I just saw some guy telling another guy to write in Latin and made me roll my fucking eyes. Especially after I explained why it makes no sense right here >>21035260 and here >>21035344
I'm working on the Gospel of John and Attic Nights right now, not that this would impress you, gigachad lurker. Nor are you are going to write to me in Latin or tell me what the fuck you are reading anyways. Because that's how this works right? Someone writes 8 paragraphs explaining a point and then you say "write it in Latin" and don't address anything that they said. Right?
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>>21035359
>I'm working on the Gospel of John
lmao
>Right?
yes (unironically)
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>>21035097
Thats not a classical language
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>>21019683
Latin or Greek bros
I am too old / retarded to manage both
Trying to expand my ear for poetry
I love both Virgil and Homer
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>>21035353
they're totally different processes, you may have an extensive passive vocabulary of 20000 words and have internalized all grammar and syntax rules of a language to the point you aren't even conscious of it while reading refined literature but not be able to form simple sentences, that's totally normal
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>>21035422
greek
you don't want to have anything to do with us latinniggers, just look at us
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>>21035353
i can read literature in russian, german and to a lesser extent french and italian and yet my ability to write and speak in those languages is poor to nonexistent. it's normal, you learn what you practice. i don't think you have much language experience if you find that "hard to believe" because it's very common for language production to lag massively behind comprehension.
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>>21035452
Even toddlers cN understand language not being able to speak it
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>>21035452
It's my experience with Italian. I can't imagine not being able to write simple stuff after spending hundreds of hours reading in it.
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>>21035455
this is ironic, right?
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>>21035402
It is if it lets you read egyptian hieroglyphics
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>>21035424
He only speaks English, ignore him. He already admitted that he's just trolling people. Keeps demanding to know what other people read, but won't say what he's read, keeps demanding other people write in Latin, but won't write himself. Don't feed the troll.
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>>21035433
But there are like 3 of us in the thread.
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>>21034404
quanti penderes librum?
quomodo iudicas/aestimas librum?
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You don't learn languages.
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>>21035927
I want to kill all the L-words
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>>21036218
What do you do with them then?
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>>21035544
No? If you tell a toddler to do something they can depite being unable to speak.
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>>21035547
What?
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>>21035283
Is that surprising? Even stupid ancient Romans spoke fluent Latin, barring language-specific impairment.
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>>21035260
Why's writing in Latin no longer of interest? People were very much doing it actively up until the 18th and 19th centuries, long after it was no longer spoken natively.
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>>21036981
it's just a coping mechanism
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>>21036433
I came across something that pointed towards welsh being a close relative isolate of the language spoken and written as ancient egyptian somewhat as a product of ancient migrations.I was curious how difficult it might be to learn the language well enough to investigate the claims.
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>>21037318
Its impossible since modern Welsh is nothing like ancient Welsh so there could barely be any resemblance
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>>21037420
According to the source there's enough similarity and conserved words that the logograms are intelligible.
It's got to be better than the torturous way that hieroglyphics are currently interpreted. apparently they were using old welsh dictionaries and seemingly making significant progress since the words match the images used. It would also open up the old welsh history books, their laws fiolk tales and king lists if I were to try it.
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>>21037182
Which, writing in Latin or saying that writing in Latin is pointless?
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>>21037318
This claim is extremely implausible. Welsh and Egyptian aren't even in the same language family; the one is Indo-European, the other is Afro-Asiatic, and this is not particularly contested. That said, if you're interested in resources for either language I can probably link you some.
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>>21037803
Anon, however that may be, they seem to be able to read hieroglyphics with welsh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-HPF98ldfw

I honestly find the idea a little sceptical but if one can possibly read the ancient texts with it then it's worth a little time to study it to at least see if it's real or a spoof.
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>>21037841
Almost certainly a spoof. Go look at a Swadesh list of Welsh (ancient or modern) and of Egyptian (any stage) and see if you can point out any words in common.
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>>21037847
We don't even have any idea what the spoken language of ancient egyptian was or sounded like so that should be impossible.

There are scant connections between the two such as Idris supposedly coming from North Africa somewhere or you have ancient stories of the the scots descending from the refugee ancient egyptian princess scotti and a few strange cultural comparisons.
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>>21037871
>We don't even have any idea what the spoken language of ancient egyptian was or sounded like so that should be impossible.
We literally do? Like, we don't have phonograph records. But between knowledge of Coptic which was never lost and is written in an alphabet, loanwords into other languages and from other languages, and comparison to other Afro-Asiatic languages, we have a decent idea how the various stages of Egyptian sounded, though obviously less certain the farther back you go.
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>>21037904
Coptic has no relation to the language of the hieroglyphics according to Athanasius Kircher. Champollion thought it had to be coptic and spent his life trying to connect the two but made no progress.

If it somehow is welsh then since it is a living language one should be able to learn it comparatively easily and use it to decipher the glyphs.
Even if it does sound like it should be impossible.
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>>21037958
>Coptic has no relation to the language of the hieroglyphics according to Athanasius Kircher.
LMFAO
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>>21036981
Writing in a message board was never an interest of mine with any language. But if you can't do something that you never practice and have no interest in(writing), then that guy's argument is that apparently you can't do the thing that you actually practice and focus on daily (reading). It's already been explained by many people in this thread who learned to read French, German, Russian etc that they probably can't argue with someone online in the language, but can read Kant or Tolstoy fair enough. The only way someone would be even remotely surprised by this would be if they never actually learned a language before.

But I'm just sitting back and watching the shitshow. It's usually the same one guy just begging for (you)s and he never replies to anyone in Latin and even says he isn't even learning a language. Don't engage with his arguments like they actually have any validity to them.That's your brain on Wikipedia and YouTube.
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>>21037796
>saying that writing in Latin is pointless?
this, if you can read it you can write it
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>>21038910
Not quite. I'm in a Greek comp course right now. Such courses and modes of instruction are not available to everyone. Reading and writing are separate skills in different parts of the brain. If you studied language in a serious capacity, you would understand this. But for you, talking to people in broken Latin and being able to read broken Latin is better than someone who translates real Latin written by Romans for an academic press.
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What are some good books for learning classical Tibetan?
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>>21019683

Luke's head is really just a cock. There's a urethra chute at the very top you never really see
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>>21039176
Why do people keep feeding that Amerimutt? He doesn't speak anything.
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>>21039189
Anon, I can't recommend anything, but generally speaking when I'm looking for books about a new language I scroll down to the bottom of the Wiki page and look at the sources. There's usually a bibliography of cited grammars and textbooks. You probably can't go wrong with that. Always check the "References" and "Future Reading" sections.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Tibetan#References
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Tibetan#Further_reading

Good luck friend!
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>>21039295
>be ESL
>be called amerimutt
I don't know if this is supposed to be an insult or a compliment
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>>21039366
>ESL
I mean ETL (third)
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>>21039375
You probably have a passive understanding of a related dialect/language from a bordering country and you learned English by watching Minecraft let's plays and now you think you can learn Sumerian through comprehensible input.

You people are very predictable and unoriginal. Go stink up another thread, Vlad.
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>>21039381
holy cope kek
(pd. write it in latin)
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Chasing away the Esperanto tranny was a mistake. It just created a power vacuum for a new generation of giga-faggots
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>>21037318
And I bet you'll believe the earth is flat too if someone on youtube tells you it is.
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There's so much fap material in the fabulae syrae it's unreal, miraglia is a cultured coomer
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>>21039733
This thread is just a bunch of YouTube e-celeb worshiping waterheads, so what do you expect?
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>>21039381
have you noticed how much of your life is taken up by writing this exact butthurt post over and over again with slightly different wording? because i only look at like one out of ten of these generals and i still feel like i've read you type this twenty times already.
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Imagine being a schizo lunatic who copies and pastes "write it in Latin" over and over again 7 days a week and then talks about other people wasting their lives.
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>>21039838
id latine scribe
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>>21037318
Ignore the fedorafags in this thread and go ahead with it. Sounds interesting.
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>>21039381
>you learned English by watching Minecraft let's plays and now you think you can learn Sumerian through comprehensible input.
litteraly me
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>>21040935
holy fucking based
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>>21040935
i like how the retard thinks "you picked up a language without effort" is an insult
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>>21039381
>Vlad
Slavs border what anglophone country?
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>>21041265
the US
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Aliquis vestri llpsi Romam Aeternam legit? Operae pretium est, sententia vestra?
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>>21041821
I could answer that in detail and explain the pedagogical approach behind the book and help you to decide if it's worth it or not, but of course since I refuse to do it in BROKEN LATIN you would just answer 'say it it latin' like the pretentious retard you are, right? Look, I have an advice for ya which you may find useful in other areas of your pathetic life, too: WHY THE FUCK DON'T YOU KILL YOURSELF YOU FUCKING MORON?
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>>21041850
Now can you say that in Latin?
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>>21024497
>America is not for you.
Prove it
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>>21019702
I have a better Latin accent than this cunt.
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>>21041880
No, because it's not my main area of interest. Neither could you, unless you consider your retarded babbling to be Latin.
Do you faggots even read Latin? Or is "talking" """latin""" with gender neutral pronouns is the only thing you're interested in?
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>>21041917
>Do you faggots even read Latin?
No, because I'm not even learning it.
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>>21041906
vocaroo or you're lying
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>>21041906
post vocaroo, mein fren, I need good examples of vowel quantity pronunciation
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>ἀλλὰ γὰρ ἤδη ὥρα ἀπιέναι, ἐμοὶ μὲν ἀποθανουμένῳ, ὑμῖν δὲ βιωσομένοις: ὁπότεροι δὲ ἡμῶν ἔρχονται ἐπὶ ἄμεινον πρᾶγμα, ἄδηλον παντὶ πλὴν ἢ τῷ θεῷ.
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>>21041821
Potestisne desistere vociferari et quaestionem respondere?
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>>21041975
Could you KILL YOURSELF?
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>>21039381
That's how I learned Spanish and Japanese, and did the same with classical Chinese to some extent, too.
>>21041917
>Or is "talking" """latin""" with gender neutral pronouns is the only thing you're interested in?
Cope and seethe, we're here to stay.
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>>21042014
fervens
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>>21041927
https://voca.ro/1dFUKNZtsrrV
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>>21040935
Now now write in Sumerian
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>>21041943
I had to memorize this for my greek prose class.
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>>21042028
There are minecraft let's plays in classical chinese?
Actually, I'm not suprised. Slant-eyes and autism go together like latin and male pattern baldness
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Any Anki decks for Latin?
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>>21043080
Do you not know how to search public decks on Ankiweb?
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>>21039547
I'm still here, I've just mellowed out a bit after realizing that what I was doing was mostly pointless.
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>>21041265
Not defending that anon, but they didn't say English is the language from a neighboring country they have passive understanding of, they said they have passive understanding of a related language from a neighboring country AND learned English by watching Minecraft let's plays.
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>>21042796
Not that I know of, and I'm pretty into Classical Chinese. Maybe one video that someone did as a gimmick?
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>>21043309
>what I was doing was mostly pointless.
which was?
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>>21043454
Complaining about methods and so forth. I think I've gotten a little self-aware about where I was overcorrecting, though there are probably still some places where I haven't realized.
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>>21043467
I've argued with you before and it's honestly a dumb conversation on both sides.
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i cant understand the words in Gregorian chant unless I read along
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>>21043687
How well do you understand similar chanting in your native language?
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>>21043703
generally i can understand it but I understand more reverberant music is basically impossible to understand
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>>21043696
Someone actually spent their Saturday night making this.
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>>21043861
>Saturday
>neet doesn't even know what day is today
kek
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>>21043933
It was posted on Sunday in response to posts from Saturday afternoon. Yes, someone actually stayed up making that image (and probably others) overnight when they could have been having contact with another human.
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>>21044200
It's literally just a screenshot of an existing copypasta with a couple sentences replaced, how long could that possibly have taken to make?
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>>21044200
pretty sure it's a response to >>21043467 and >>21043496
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Is thread ever going to actually be about language learning
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>>21043696
holy kino
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>>21044562
Recommend me non-meme latin acroamata.
[The yt channel Litterae Christianae is the only one I'm aware of. Pic rel]
Also, do you think is useful to consoooome easier stuff, or should one strive to read always the most difficult stuff he's able to? Easy stuff can help to increase the time and volume your exposed to your TL, but will it help to approach later difficult texts?
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>>21044597
>acroamata
Satura Lanx
>Also, do you think is useful to consoooome easier stuff, or should one strive to read always the most difficult stuff he's able to?
If you are in the first few months, then read easy stuff and just focus on pure volume. If you are in the 6-12 months stage of learning, then you need to drop the training wheels and read original texts no matter how long it takes or how many times you have to look at the dictionary.
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Collection Bude > (pre-1950's) Teubner > (pre-80's) Oxonii Blue >>> Loeb >>>>> (modern) Oxford >>>>>>>>>>>>> (modern) Teubner
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>>21044597
What are acroamata? Sorry for the stupid question.
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>>21035452
You're retarded. Listening comprehension can literally be developed after like 50 hours. That's 2 measly days. Why not just learn to read and write? It'll only improve your ability to read.
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Why does this one Latinposter do nothing but seethe every thread about Latin while never actually contributing to anything, other than to seethe
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>>21044786
Esoteric knowledge like in Freemasonry, Rosicrucians, etc.
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τίνε κοχώνα διανοίξω ὑμῶν τήμερον;
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>>21044942
>Studying Latin AND posting on /lit/ AND spending any amount of time in /clg/
>Expecting a well-adjusted community of individuals filled with any kind of rational purpose.
Come on, man. That's three strikes right there. Lower those expectations.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQMtnJPuJVg
Is he being based or cringe here? I can't tell what he's saying.
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I'm back from my permanent ban guys! :D
Thank you based jannies, I hope they double your pay desu
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Learning Latin via the Vulgate is fun. The original texts were written in a simple style, so the Vulgate reflects that. No crazy run-on sentences à la Cicero, and word order that mainly follows speech. Maybe I’ll move onto more Classical Latin after but I’m having so much fun now.
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>>21046119
Lol semen
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>>21042181
Not speaking Multicultural Vernacular Latin
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