Birdcage hell editionPrevious thread: >>20773444For General Writing>The Rhetoric of Fiction, Booth>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway>Steering the Craft, Le Guin>The Anatomy of Story, Truby>How Fiction Works, WoodYouTube Playlists for Writing>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay Robert Butler>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc [Embed]Technical Aspects of Writing>Garner's Modern English Usage, Garner>What Editors Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Editing, Ginna>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, TufteBooks Analyzing Literature>Poetics, Aristotle>Hero With a Thousand Faces, Campbell>The Art Of Dramatic Writing: Its Basis in the Creative Interpretation of Human Motives, Egri>The Weekend Novelist, RayNote to anyone posting a sample of your writing for critique:>IF YOU HAVE NOT PERFORMED A CURSORY PROOFREAD, DO NOT EXPECT TO BE TREATED KINDLY. EDIT YOUR WORK FOR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR BEFORE POSTING.Traditional PublishingPros:>you get to focus mostly on writing>you must write a proposal to the publishers and sell your story to them>you make 10-15% profit max, but they also eat all the risk and the costs>self publishing is basically like running your own company>you only need to do some simple marketing and reach out to readersCons:>you make 10-15% profit max>self publishing you make 70%+>they’ll still require you to do all the leg work of a self published author anywaysFinding Agents>https://querytracker.net/join.php>https://www.manuscriptwishlist.com/Self Publishing Options>https://archiveofourown.org/>https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/>https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/writinglife>https://www.royalroad.com/>https://www.scribblehub.com/>https://www.wattpad.com/Self Publishing How-To>risky, but much more profitable>you must pay for everything yourself>if you do, you will spend more time on running a business than writing, but can be worth it>https://selfpublishingwithdale.com/Poetry>This Craft of Verse, Borges>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, MasonAnime Writing (^･o･^)>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on26mKakgs [Embed]>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-StoryFor advertising>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg [Embed]AI-generated book covers>https://nightcafe.studio>https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini>https://app.wombo.art/>https://penguin.jos.ht/>https://beta.openai.com/playground/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQOther forums>https://reddit.com/r/writing>https://writing.stackexchange.com/
>go onto royalroad to check for updates on stories I'm reading>18 notifications>some guy replied thx to my first 13 chaptersthank you random person, I thought something weird had happened after getting so many notifications.
>>20783599The old thread haven’t even reach the bump limit.
>>20783625Yeah, you already whined about that. >>20783618Do you need us to acknowledge your pain?
When you're feeling down about how little your book is selling, just remember that "Moby Dick" was a failure in its time.It didn't become popular until after the 100th anniversary of the author's birth.Melville tried to make up for the commercial failure by following Moby Dick with a raunchy "urban shocker".Seems like things stay the same, huh.
>>20783651How many Americans or other people in the world even sympathized with what Melville was writing on a deeper level, in his time? Sure there is a biblical allusion to Ahab that much is clear but he was hitting at a pessimistic theme regarding the Fall of Man that many English speakers didn't get exposed to until after Schopenhauer's work was translated years after it had already been published. I'm not pulling this out of nowhere I was reading this on the Melville Estate website, that is in that Melville and Schopenhauer had similar foundations to their ideas.Personally I would say the Tower of Babel describes a similar think to the Whale (or the Will) but the Bible only mentions Babel and the spirit of Babylon a couple times so it's only a big idea in people with imagination.
So, yeah, I like editing, uhh... What can I say? There's nothing like the rush of hunting grammatical errors down and KILLING 'em! I mean my heart's beatin', my heart's beatin', my hands are shakin', my hands are shakin', BUT I'M STILL EDITIN', AND I'M STILL GETTING PAID MINIMUM WAGE. IT'S LIKE BOOM, SUBJECT-VERB AGREEMENT! BOOM, WRONG FORM OF ITS! BOOM, THAT'S NOT WHAT A FUCKING SEMICOLON DOES!!!
>>20783737"I am going to use a double emdash and no one——" The editor begins to choke anon.
Have you guys learned the power of marketing yet?
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>>20783737You are the hero this city deserves.
>>20783599Old thread hadn't even reached the bump limit.
Normies and the internet have utterly ruined sincere storytelling and I'm so utterly tired of pretending that they haven't. The corny ethos of the mainstream internet, combined with the take over of ironic meme culture, the cringe culture of the mid 2010s and the ironic ethos surrounding media that dissuades any thoughtful and in depth analysis has all combined to ruin any sincere storytelling. The 90s is when this first started popping up in large numbers, and it was only exacerbated since then.You have terms now like>"Edgy." Implying most artwork isn't transgressive.>"Self-serious." Implying stories aren't supposed to take themselves seriously. I'm so fucking tired of it all. I'm so tired of looking at storytelling through so many different layers of ironic detachment. I'm tired of people looking at the world like this. Nobody wants to be impacted by anything. People don't care about fucking ANYTHING. All that people want is to glorify themselves and get their cocks sucked.
>>20783843Pal I'm sorry your thread got nuked but please don't bring the janitors here to nuke us too.
>>20783783Enough, meerkat.We already know who you are.And shill-spamming isn't marketing.
>>20783843Well, sure.The Internet made it possible for people to draw attention to themselves directly.Social media amplified that.That's just how it is now.But moping about how the world just isn't what you want it to be anymore isn't going to accomplish anything.In short...go to bed, grandpa. It's later than you think.
A story of mine got accepted for publication!
>>20783884Which of the big 5?
>>20783884good work anon.
>>20783884Please don’t tell me it was some non big publisher and you just got scammed
>>20783843Maybe I am thinking too lofty for what I know but I hope my writing can cultivate some momentum toward some other mode of writing. I bet there's some sincerity looking in the right magazines at lit fic but that's what like 1% of the book market these days? I don't have a fully coherent view since I'm not a philosopher or anything but all I can do is just speak my voice and if I'm tapping into some greater understanding so be it. Some themes that reoccur in my writing and outlines so far are the death of sarcasm (not that it is dead but that I find it old-hat) but also anti-intellectualism in general, which I prefer to call obstinacy because the latter term has a pejorative ring to it.
>>20783887>>20783908thank you anons>>20783894>>20783912It was just a short story, not a manuscript or anything. I do get paid though which is nice
What are some good journals to submit poetry to? I got rejected a bunch a while back and sort of lost my nerve to write, but I'm trying to get back into it and I'm looking to see if I can submit my new works anywhere and maybe get a confidence boost that could help out with my writing.
>>20783884Nice. Was it genre fiction?
>>20783938Didn’t answer my question. Which of the big 5?
>>20783949It got accepted by a literary journal but it has elements of horror>>207839800
>>20783987>has elements of horrorhow much?I wanted to get published by a local publisher but they said "no scifi" and even though it has scifi because of nanomachines, I never focus on or fully explain the technology and not constantly adding in science terms so I feel like I could argue with them on it.
Anyone have an online list or something of all the genre conventions for each genre?
>>20784039The story's use of horror is pretty explicit, but so is its use of literary techniques. In your case it sounds like they don't like sci-fi period, like it's a taste thing, so you're probably out of luck there. Try submit somewhere else though!
>>20784115why did you have to remind me of this
>>20784115anon it's ok the genre boogie man isn't going to eat your prose just because you use a few common themes from the universal playbook
Ignore the underlining I still need to figure out exactly whatever it is a sysadmin does
>>20783599I'm having a hard time capturing pain. How do you write pain effectively?
>>20784145You write SQL queries, not code
>>20784222Experience it you pussy.
>>20784230Yeah honestly I'll have to talk to my CS major roommate from last year about it, the only languages I know are R and LaTeX and I actually have no idea what sysadmins do
>>20783737>>20783808this thread is for writers
>>20784250I'm not getting sliced into half-living chunks by a machine just to write my shitty horror novel
>>20784258i'll have you know i'm the foremost author of the modern era
>>20784260Just shoot yourself with a nail gun retard. I'm sorry but there's no other way.
>>20784260Longer form horror seems particularly difficult to write. How do you keep your foot on the tension?
>>20784276He doesn't. If he did he wouldn't be asking how to describe pain.
>>20784222What kind of pain?
>>20784276Between Two Fires did it by introducing a new monster/terror for our protags to deal with on the way to their end goal. Sort of "monster of the week".
I'm making the jump from fanfic to original content ladsCan I still use a fantasy European early modern to medieval setting or nah
>>20783651I'll give it to you straight, anon.I write purely so people whose writing I like will have coffee/tea/alcohol/a Discord chat with me either for clout (unrealistic) or because they consider me just interesting enough to give me a single hour of their time once.
Even my suicide "letter" is so dry.>I have a suicide fetish, Disco Elysium solidified this morbid taste for willingly going into the eternal void. It's not a fetish in which the aftermath matters, there is no meaningful aftermath, no memory nor thought. Instead, a rejection of self preservation along with the awareness of the reality of the situation. A feeling like no other.>In the past, my suicide attempts have lacked passion and true commitment to the idea. No doubt, a product of my mental illness. So prone to attention seeking behavior and victimization.>The methods I used were all ones in which the cards want you to survive, poisoning, cutting. More of an inspirational reminder than any serious voyage.>This time will be different. Death is the one thought that hides beneath all others, conditions like mine simply do away with the bushes. Before NYE, I will attempt suicide, a final attempt. No doubt I'll succeed. No shortage of ways to go about this. >A gun. Corrosive and dangerous acid. Electricity. Fire.>No shortage of cues.
>>20784393It's pretentious. You don't talk like this, so why write like it?
>>20784396I talk like that, that's the worst part.
>>20784397No you don't. You never have and you never will.
>>20784401I do, I'm not welcomed in any social circle, I have made zero attempts to reconcile.All that I make is pretentious and vapid. I'll never be a good writer. Remember the game I wanted to write, I am done. I give up, I can't write. What was I even thinking? Do I regret this? Partly. Can I do anything about it? No.I can't, I won't.I want to fucking die, anon. Everyone is better than me, here, out there, everywhere. Talentless fucking cunt, no reason to exist at all.
>>20784409>>20784393OK.Real fucking talk?If you're done with life and writing is the only thing you wanna do you might as well take a shitload of drugs before you commit toasterbath. There's a small but real chance it'll reset your brain to the point you can write again.
>>20784416>Real fucking talk?no niggers
>>20784416Reset my life? There's no talent to be discovered, I am what the brain is and that's all I am ever going to be.I was born without any trace of talent, I feel disgusting, I want to shit on my iwn fucking corpse because I am nothing.I really shouldn't mind dying and not being an artist but it gets to me, everyone has the urge, I know I have it. But I don't have the skill, I am a primal being, can barely be called a person, I renounce my human rights, a fucking animal, not out of fucking place on some tundra, that's what I am, fuck eat sleep sex sex die, nothing more. Artist delision only ends up hurting me, I am an argument for lobotomy to be reworked and developed and perfected.TOO SMART TO BE A COMPLETE ANIMALTOO IDIOTIC TO BE HUMANANIMAL FUCKING BRAIN RAPIST MINDI WOULD EAT AND RAPE MYSELF5000 YEARS AGOON THE EMPTY HOPELESS SAVANNA
>>20784409Dude why do you like disco Elysium so much? It's fucking awful. I downloaded it after reading about it after seeing you hail it as this great thing a few dozen threads ago and it's a boring pretentious piece of shit. The writing isn't good. I mean it's a video game so idk what I expected but it's just ripping off other works that are actually subversive, interesting, gritty, etc. You should start by reading actual books if you want to write books. Start with the Greeks etc. you'll get better if you keep writing. Pretend you have a million words of shit that you need to drain out of your body before you get to the good stuff and write every day until you hit that word count
Writing requires meaningful thoughts, complexity of mind, resolve and talent.I can reason, mere mimicry of a person but I know I think.I am not complex enough to write and be good at it, I wanted to do this. I read, so why can't I write?If it's all bullshit and there's only willpower, then I am clearly too basi and stupid to do it, I wasted my life, I'll kill myaelf in 4 months.I hate myself my life my parents 22 years of waiting and nothing came out of it, I have the same level of legacy as the day I was born, nothing.
>>20784455What works would you say the game rips off?
And this animal thing, this wendigo person that I am, to think me out of all people, had a cripling fear of deathWhat have I done with life?What have I said? Composed? Painted?What am I? Why? Why do I care so much if i live or die why?Whats so great about being me? If you were to ask me that 5 years ago, lie after lie, eventually, I have at least one good novel in me, one good painting, Ill get it on a wall and they will see it know my nameEventually Ill rot on the fucking ground with my name meaning nothing, zero.I suck at everything, why do I even care?>>20784455Ive read actual books, I dont have tome to become good, even of I had it. I simply cant do it, my genes are suited for absolutely nothing, Im a parasite, resource leech. Do the earth a favor I should blow my brains out, atone for 22 years of waste.
>>20784396I don’t think you understand formality.
Day 53 editingChapter 71 toightLibre adaption almost comprete
What time of day do you guys usually write at?Fo some reason I find writing at night most inspiring. Since it'll be the last thing I do before bed, there's no pressure to distract me. I tried writing in the day but it usually bears unsatisfying work.Should I continue this habit or is there a better alternative you guys wanna recommend?
>>20784649This is based on a mix of personal experience and reading a LOT about writing: -Outline outside and ideally away from home -Write at nightStrictly avoid writing actual story shit during the day. Only outline what you're going to write.This helps with ensuring your brain produces fresh ideas constantly and when you settle down to sleep narrows down into a fine point when you get it all off your chest.Do not be ashamed to be the insufferable faggot retard that sits in a coffee shop jotting down notes into an actual book.It unironically helps.
>>20784680Appreciate this, Anon.
I want to shill my book here, but I also don't want to be an insufferable faggot who uses a tripcode, so I guess I await reviewanon getting to one of my books.
>>20784416>reset your brainReal life isn't Disco Elysium
>>20784393Even a suicide couldn't get people to trudge through this garbage. Kill yourself and leave a videotape behind instead. Your family has suffered enough, please do them that one kindness.
>>20784649If I don't have to work.give it a few hours when I first wake up.Take a break. Play some games, do chores, eat, whatever.Around noon give it a few more hours, then fuck around until it's time for bed.While in bed read over what I've written that day, make small changes, and maybe write a little more until I'm ready to sleep.This is the ultimate way to do.If I do have to work.Wake up, work, think about writing all day, sit down to write when I get home and force some words out. Sometimes I don't have it in me.Fuck capitalism.
>>20785006I try to write 1000 words with each writing session, twice a day if I can. Sometimes I go over that goal.My main goal is 10,000 new words a week, but don't slack on the editing.
>>20784649After 5:30 when get home from work. On weekends it might be 10 to 12 hours starting at 8AM or earlier.>>20784094Deconstructing the science makes the society in the story seem less idyllic and more preprogrammed which is against the impression I wanted. Instead I have started showing things first as mysterious but hanging a flag on it so people know it's not a mistake and then later hint at how it works (like breathing underwater, or putting on eyes). I have read a lot of scifi in my time and even science texts to convince myself of certain things for my story but I when I write certain scientific terms it doesn't feel right to me. I wrote some paragraphs explaining how nanomachines would do their thing and then threw it into another document. I do have some short stories set in scientific labs and I get really specific on the instrumentation and observations but that's it.
>>20785049Regardless of whether your story is hard scifi or not, it isn't worth arguing the point with a publisher. Just go publish somewhere else where you can strike the balance you want between scifi and lit.
>>20779085>https://drive.proton.me/urls/81KDMH0S3W#LOHN36SjqoCBwanting to get this out there in this thread. ive been thinking about doing a series of these, but i think i need a deadline to actually finish anything. under the pictured anon's advice, ive submitted both the previous and this current draft to &, and even if Mr. Editor really just just accept anything, it would give me at least a feeling of needing to finish it by a certain time. any and all feedback is appreciated.
>>20784990I'll rape and kill you.
Got almost 1.7k substack followers and 72 paid subscribers. Is this the beginning of something beautiful?
Why can't I write? Why do I have zero talent? Why?
>>20785124He's right. Get over yourself. Who cares about whether you're a Great Talent who will change history. Nothing you're saying about your worthlessness would make sense to anyone who isn't a similarly self-obsessed narcissist. Just read interesting things and expand your world beyond the dingy little cell of yourself. Read a fucking Dickens book, read a history of Babylonian daily life, read about 1930s bootlegger escapades. You're not a pathetic worthless subhuman, at least any more than the rest of us. All you are is lazy, because you can't be bothered to look up at anything else around you, and you're content to instead obsess over the little scrap of dirt beneath you as if it were your whole world and the profound truth of your existence.
>>20785178I still can't write, fucker.I can't do it, all my attempts have been horrible, had to eat the previous one.I want to do it. I want it.
>>20785135That's really good, well done!
>>20785135Nice. If you can get more subs and retain them that will be pretty "made it" territory in my opinion.
>>20785162>>20785196do it anyway. just write. let other people read/proofread. pick and choose what advice others give. and eventually submit for publishing. the point is to write, not to be "good"
>>20785239Have you read the two bullshit posts I wrote here? The first one got me laughed at and now this, I am getting ready for my suicide attempt. There's no use, I don't have talent.
>>20784393Ugh. You again.You're obviously not going to kys.You're just a drama queen.Go take your drama elsewhere.
>Replying to that guy
>>20785263Why can't I write? Why do I have no talent?>>20785265Answer me
>>20784393so, a couple recs.Don't start referencing a more interesting thing. You made me want to replay the game instead of reading it, which I'm sure isn't your goal in a suicide letter. Also don't start a personal thing by referencing a product. If I wanted to be mean I'd assume you don't have a personality, just a list of products you've consumed to define yourself. But you're just protecting your personal feelings by putting already defined personal depictions in the way, and a suicide note isn't really the time to hide your personal feelings.
>>20785283I might be an empty sociopathic shell.Could that be why I can't write for shit?Just help me out. Have you read the other abortion I shat out weeks ago?Fuck.I'll never be able to make my game, it won't even compare to Disco Elysium.
>>20785301it's just clearly not sincere. You start being a basic bitch, which is what you are, you accept it and try to understand how things got that way. Then you question why you chose that explanation and not another, you try to define what parts you're ignoring or stealing pre-made justifications and why. Once you feel you've hit a realization that wrecks you and only you, you develop it trying to make it understandable to others. Maybe guiding the reader from a basic normal spot to where you're at, replicating the proces you took, creating a compatible scenario and twisting it into your position, or whatever. I believe that's the proper way to write your suicide note.
>>20785329There's no realization, I can't write this.I'm only killing myself out of boredom and failing to do art. It's that simple, I don't see why it would need a detailed letter.TELL ME FUCKER HOW CAN I BE A GOOD WRITER?
Something seriously wrong with that guy
>>20785357why would you be a good writer if you don't have anything to say?
>>20785357i said it here >>20785239just keep doing it. it doesnt matter if it sucks. you keep doing it, you keep changing it, eventually you get gud. just fucking do it.
>>20785364No, something is seriously wrong with all the retards giving him attention.
>>20785301The only solution is to read more and more sensitively.
>>20785364Yeah. He needs an editor...
>>20785367I do have things to say, I won't post them now due to them being very unique if I become a writer, my toxic personality is not one I want tied to any future me.Maybe I'm too visual for writing, the medium is limited, it lacks colour. Movies. If I could make movies that would be amazing, I really think that could be my medium, playing with shits and such, but a game is the second best thing.>>20785368I need more, proper guide, a plan, a breakdown, measurements, expected progress rates.>>20785376Same as above, please.
Report and hide
Now that editor's shown up. It's a fucking circus in here.
>>20784222on pain - daudettl;dr: you can't describe pain. you have to write around it and describe how it feels in negative. you build up around it until the shape of the pain is shown in contrast like a footprint in snow.
I don't know if you're here egregore-anon, but I'm still waiting on my box of books to get my PO box, hope you kept the copy for me.
>>20784396“I write differently from what I speak, I speak differently from what I think, I think differently from the way I ought to think, and so it all proceeds into deepest darkness.”― Franz Kafkaaka shut up
I am a real life Bateman, I am empty and void of any true personality. A basic personality, never developed further than my natural instincts, prebuilt existence. If I had the resources to flesh out and enjoy my cravings, I would never ever consider art, no, I'd be engaging in some very exclusive things, it's who I am. But I don't.How can I be a good writer /wg/? I want to make my game.
>be in pain>write about painWhen the learn etymology sound effects and social redundancy the smug attacks. :7
>>20784457is this woman aware that the colour of her jumper matches, exactly, the colour of her drink? it seems an incredible coincidence.
>>20785135shill it to me post a link
>>20785446I know who I am, I am all raw nerve. Foucault, eat your heart out. If I had the chance. Just the appeal of the taboo.I want to be a good writer, because I want to be good, it's that simple. /wg/ tell me how, in great detail.
>>20785480Writing can't be taught or distilled to a single sentence. It's an art that must be learned through diligence and practice. It isn't an engineering formula that has a known solution. It isn't a code block which must be written in a specific way to score correctly with an autoscorer. It isn't a matrix that can be reduced to the identity matrix for easy solutions. There is no textbook with answers, no unique physics approach, no change of basis trick, no github or stackoverflow solution, no unit analysis, black box solver, or predictable probability distribution that will make you a good writer. It takes time, effort, and study. If you want to be a good writer, you read and you write. You hone your craft by thinking, writing, editing, reading, and participating in continual refinement of your work. It takes years. There are no shortcuts. There isn't a formula for "compelling, realistic characters who are grounded and breathe" that will make your writing truly good, despite what all those infographics purportedly claim. I'll say it one more time: Writing. Must. Be. Learned. It cannot be taught. There is no fast and hard solution which you can get from one, a hundred, or even 1 million 4chan posts. This advice is as good as it's going to get.Now stop moping. If you keep complaining after I finally gave up and spelled out reality for you, you're a lost cause who doesn't care about writing, but about being a writer and living the "literary lifestyle" and having all your fans line up to suck your dick.
So how many of you are fakey-fake bullshit "writers" who actually use these new-fangled AI to write your shit for you?
>>20785610I don't even let the computer do spellchecking for me.
>>20785617I don't even use a dictionary or thesaurus newer than the one's my great grandpappy gifted to me that were printed in 1851.
>>20785587So, read and write with actual intent and focus. But what? Things that appeal to me only?
My novel's currently undergoing the sixth of an estimated nine revisions. Hoping to get them all done by the end of the year and then self-publish in 2024. This will be my last book.
>>20785626why would you want a good topic when people don't want to see your writing? first you get better at it, then you find a niche if you didn't find one in the way.
>>20785610I only use AI for cooming but sometimes I'll throw a passage of mine into it just out of curiosity to see how it continues it with its algorithm, never used anything it spit out though.The most I "use" is actually using it as a ghetto encyclopedia, eg:"The social classes of the middle ages are thus:-King-Duke-"And see what it generates, even if it's not always accurate.
>>20785658I used Novel AI's best model to write a college research paper on Bipolar Disorder and got a 98.
>>20785658What AI is good for this coomer activity?
>>20785669Damn, I wish I was still in school. I hadn't thought about how AI could do your assignments. That's going to fuck over academia.
>>20785671There's two. Sudowrite uses the best model available but it's expensive. And then there's Novel AI which is cheaper but requires more wrangling because it's a less expansive model, but it's still very capable if you're a semi-competent writer.IMO it's best to use it to fill in gaps or brainstorm and don't be afraid to edit or redo.
>>20785671NovelAI is probably the best for cooming, but it costs money to use, check /aids/ on /vg/ if you want to learn about all the options.>>20785669Not sure I believe you but funny if true
>>20785680Yeah it's pretty funny. All I did was make sure it didn't derail into brother/sister incest and then ran it through a plagiarism checker before submitting it.>>20785680Yeah it's a little spooky.
>>20785422>Now that editor's shown up, it's a fucking circus in here!removed frag.
>>20784649Night time. I'll write past midnight and then edit it in the morning.
>>20785641Why so many revisions, how long is it? How many hours a week can you put into it?>last bookAre you going to another medium or what?
>>20785610Can you even publish anything from an AI? There are, I imagine, no guarantees that it has not lifted a passage directly from another book, or that a passage it generates for you will not be generated for someone else too. It seems like a copyright nightmare.
>>20785777Plagiarism is not as legally enforceable as you seem to think it is.
>>20785777Yeah, AI can't hold copyright, and they don't pull words or sentences directly from the works in it's database.It all works by turning words and syllables into tokens and within the context given, uses math to randomly determine what the next most likely token in the sentence should be, because language is just math.Ex "Trevor ate his grandma's apple"The next word could be "tree" or "core" or "seed" but given the context, it'll probly return "pie".
>>20785122Skimming over again it doesn't look like you took any of my advice last time, which is fine, but I still feel the same - 9y needs more experiential description/in-scene time/"showing" and some dialogue.For example when the chef directs MC to a mechanic we are told how overworked old, and chill the chef is - why not have a scene in the alley behind the restaurant where we see his crusty grease stained aa they pass a blunt back and forth between like 5 lines of dialogue explaining boats issues and ending with him writing some mechanic guy's phone number on a napkin?That's just an example of course but it's the grounding I would need as a reader to stay interested.
>>20785777it's not really a nightmare. The basic fallback interpretation is that it is copyright infringement and any author who gets caught using an AI that isn't entirely based on public domain writing will be held accountable for it. Maybe someday somebody will bring to court a compelling case as to how an AI training data set of copyrighted material doesn't constitute infringement, but you'd have to get a court to fall against copyright holders, something they rarely do as copyright is constitutionally guaranteed in an extremely vague way.
>>20785835There's only so many ways to write "Trevor ate his grandma's apple pie".You can't copyright that. You can only copyright that entirety of the events that lead up to and proceed after your MC gyrates her hips in front of a pack of werewolves, but not the gyrating itself.
>>20785853It doesn't matter how transformative it is. An AI model doesn't extract pure concepts out of a piece of literature, the training data is transformed via algorithm into generated text. Using copyrighted training data is exactly the same, legally, as playing somebody else's song with different lyrics written for it. It does not matter if you cannot unwind the generated text into the training data, and because of that you can probably get away with it.
>>20785787>Plagiarism is not as legally enforceableyou make $20 and nobody will careyou make $3,000,000 and you'll be in court for the next 50 years
>>20785915I don't think Tolkien's estate has any legal standing to sue someone who made a million dollars writing a book using GPT-3 just because GPT-3 has LoTR in it.
I need to learn writing fully into it, there's no taking the parts you care about, right?I care about characters and dialogue, if I could be good at that, I don't care about the rest but I need the rest to het to that point, right?Writing is not my passion, I just wanted my game to feature dialogue, and good one. Core ideas and themes are solid but the rest, not so much.I'm too visual for this medium, literature is not my passion, it's a tool I need.
>>20785936What the fuck is this post?
>>20785364Just an attention whore, by the second time he showed up and I tried to give him advice I realized he doesn't want to write. He wants to make excuses about why he can't write.>boo hoo I'm 22 and I'm not a world renowned author yet.Fuck off, I'm 23, I've been living with crippling backpain for almost 8 years now and I just started writing a couple weeks ago. Just fucking write something. If you don't like it try again, try try try.Also he is a waifufag for Rhea Seahorn.
>>20785941the start of self-loathing schizo hours in /wg/just close the tab
>>20785973I bet you think people that use photoshop are real "artists" too.
>>20785941I'm asking if there's any way to isolate the aspect of writing I give a shit about.>>20785953Why do you yhink I don't want to improve? I can't. Remember the first paragraph I posted here?
>>20785988If your post is any indication of your writing ability, you should give up altogether. Holy shit.
>>20785994Which one? I'm in a hurry right now.
>>20785915They can do that to you even if you didn't plagiarise because they are fishing for a settlement.
Do anyone of you monetize your writing in any way? I'm considering releasing what I've written in chapters serially and opening a patreon.
>>20786023My books are for sale on Amazon, yes. Nobody paying their rent off Patreon is going to admit to it here, given the proclivity of some people to review bomb a series because of politics.
>>20785446We can't tell you how to be a good writer.You can pay a college tens of thousands of dollars to try to teach you to be a good writer.Stop trying to get it for free.And stop your whine-spamming already!
why this nigga sound like he's rapping
>>20785587Instant meme. Thank you!>>20785626Most people who want to write do so because they have something to say.If you don't have anything to say, why do you want to be writer?
>>20785936>I'm too visual for this medium, literature is not my passion, it's a tool I need.Then hire a writer you stupid shit.
>>20785929You are not a lawyer.
>>20786087No, thanks.>>20786082I have things, yes. I just think about them as visuals first and then words, the former is simple compared to writing.
>>20785988>Remember the first paragraph I posted here?No. You are completely forgettable.All I notice is a flood of whine-spamming.Why do you think anyone here cares about your first-world problems?
>>20786106Then draw comics, or visual novels, or something, freaking whine-spammer.It honestly wouldn't surprise me if you turned out to be the shill-spammer.
>>20786115I want to make a mostly dialogue focused game.
Is it bad writing if something random happens? Like a character is driving somewhere but he's delayed by a golf ball hitting his car and him staying to deal with this matter and because he's late things move along differently from what would've happened if he had been on time.
>>20785587>fixedCock sucking can't be taught or distilled to a single sentence. It's an art that must be learned through diligence and practice. It isn't an engineering formula that has a known solution. It isn't a code block which must be written in a specific way to score correctly with an autoscorer. It isn't a matrix that can be reduced to the identity matrix for easy solutions. There is no textbook with answers, no unique physics approach, no change of basis trick, no github or stackoverflow solution, no unit analysis, black box solver, or predictable probability distribution that will make you a good writer. It takes time, effort, and study. If you want to be a good cock sucker, you stroke and you suck. You hone your craft by sucking, sucking, sucking, sucking, and sucking some more, participating in continual refinement of your work. It takes years. There are no shortcuts. There isn't a formula for "compelling, orgasmic motions that are grounded and breathe" that will make your cock sucking truly good, despite what all those infographics purportedly claim. I'll say it one more time: COCK SUCKING. Must. Be. Learned. It cannot be taught. There are only fast and hard solutions which you can get from one, a hundred, or even 1 million dicks. This advice is as good as it's going to get.Now stop moping. If you keep complaining after I finally gave up and spelled out reality for you, you're a lost cause who doesn't care about sucking cock, but about being a faggot and living the "greek lifestyle" and having all your fans line up to get their dicks sucked.
>>20786140No it's only bad if the screen splits and the episode shows both possibilities at once and in one of them Hal almost bowls a 300.
>>20786140i don't think a golf ball hitting a car is extremeif the protagonist can't escape his prison cell but then finds a key, that can be extremeso, i think it depends on the context
>>20786165It was already established in the first third of the book that the specific route he takes goes past a golf course and I thought it'd be neat to make use of this element somehow.
>>20786179Just do it, faggot.Actually, can you explain why you think it might be a bad idea? Because I don't understand the uncertainty with this one.
>>20786179You'd just need to allude to it ahead of time. Rule of 3 and the payoff is the 3rd event.
>>20786140Generally speaking, if the random event helps the protagonist, it's considered cheating.If the random event works against the protagonist, that tends to be accepted.Too many random setbacks and your protag becomes a cosmic plaything, which will need an explanation.
>>20786195>Generally speaking, if the random event helps the protagonist, it's considered cheating.Terrible advice.Don't listen to this anon he has no idea what he is talking about.Randomly getting hit by a golf ball out of a golf course that had been mentioned previously and somehow fixing all the protagonists problems would be pretty sweet.Like, it causes him to jerk the wheel and hit another car belonging to a beautiful woman who will now change his life.Or the insurance money from suing the golf course fixes his credit card debt.Whatever, its cool if it is written well.
>>20786188rule of 3 is about setting a pattern,the thing you want to say is 3 act structure. It's not the same and it's not the only possible dramatic structure.did you learn this shit from a youtube video or something?
>>20786219Or showing up late causes him to be put into position to stop a robbery at his bank job. Thus he becomes a hero and his lonely loser life style changes.I have no idea what the fuck your story is about but you get the point.
>>20786219Most trolls aren't tripfags. How can you not figure this out?Also, succeeding by chance is one of the things that made Harry Potter so unsatisfying.
>>20786229I know what I said and mean what I said.If he wants a golfball to fuck the guy's day up later on, he needs to first establish>MC has to drive past a golf course>That he doesn't like doing it because they're drunk and inconsiderate louts who take more chunks out of the grass than they hit clean drives (ie that their aim is bad)and then>that his car gets hit
>>20786187It's a completely random event that impacts the plot. Characters motivations don't factor into it so it just feels odd. But sometimes things just happen I guess.
>>20786234chance not being questioned is the issue.Most stories include a certain degree of chance, if everything is a perfect clockwork it feels fake and unrealistic. The problem with HP is that shit just happens unrelated to 90% of the novel and everyone is like "woah, he's so cool!"
>>20786241The MC driving past the golf course is established. I do have a character who would fit the "drunk and inconsiderate" mold as well and having him be the one swinging the club might make it all come together.I'll try that, thanks.
>>20786241This makes no sense. He could get his car hit and then find out this is a regular occurence. Those events don't need to follow a set up logic, set up doesn't need set up.
>>20786234So you are a troll who said something retarded on purpose? Cool, glad we straightened that out.>>20786242Yeah that doesn't matter. Granted, if you do that kind of thing too often it can get a little stale but with what you've said so far it seems fine.
I realized the secret to good writing. I decided to write my story, no outline, no nothing. And I wrote the entire beginning. And I realized it was absolutely garbage. But you know what? I know WHY it's garbage and I know how to write the beginning of a story now. That's the secret. Just write it knowing it will be crap, to learn from the crap.
>>20786265You can do whatever the fuck you want, but I'm telling you it works better my way. Premise A plus Premise B gives Result C, therefor the reader had the pieces of the puzzle and knew it could happen, but you surprise them with WHEN it happens.
>>20786355This post reeks of a failure and desperation.Anon's cracking up.
>>20786382One who fears failure will never become a writer. You will forever be stuck writing your beginning, afraid to fail as you are destined to fail in the beginning.
>>20786305At least you openly demonstrated your midwit nature.Now >>20786140 knows how much credibility to give your advice.
>>20786355>Just write it knowing it will be crap, to learn from the crap.Yeah, I think you should always finish a book.Your first few books will be crap.Brando Sando wrote 13 books before he got published.Finishing a book is good practice no matter how bad it is. Your prose will improve by the time you finish and you're that much ahead for your next book.
>writing past tense novel>keep slipping into the present tense Should I take this as a sign to change tenses or just keep an eye out and correct as I go along? Is the present tense truly just a shitty YA gimmick?
>>20786542just write more
Is there a limit to how ridiculous the antagonist can get when writing a non-comedic story? Is there a point where the reader’s suspension of belief snaps and they can’t take the story seriously anymore?For example, a hypothetical antagonist>Blonde haired blue eyed white man>Travels in pine wood UFO that’s in the shape of a swastika>Said UFO has weapons like bows that fire arrow-shaped nuclear bombs>Uses a stone hammer, resembling Thor’s hammer, that is actually a lightning gun>Uses a blood-sacrifice powered golden chariot that creates a mini-sun, which performs a mini-coronal mass ejection that destroys a city>Hyperborean >Name is some Proto-Indo-European cognate of horse god>Main goal is to harvest vril energy generated by mass hatred in order to open a portal to Hyperborea and return home
>>20786542fuck the tenses
>>20786542No one will notice your tenses.
>>20786553If it's ridiculous to the point of being funny, then it stops being a non-comedic story. You hit that threshold on the second line of greentext.
>>20786382>This post reeks of a failure and desperationHow ironic Sponge.
>>20786596>No one will notice your tensesPainfully wrong.>>20786546Correct. Practice will make it easy. Also read books in that tense.
I've managed to maintain 1k words a day all month! Huzzah! Only the entire rest of the month to go!
>>20786553You're a clown and you don't even know it.
>>20786769>>20786619I wonder why someone hasn’t written a short comedy out of the ‘We Wuz’. You don’t even need to do anything but write it out at face value. The potential for comedy is immense in just the premise alone, ranging from the ridiculousness of Yakub to the schizo-tier Hyperboreans.
>>20786798Black people do it all of the time. It's not intentionally comedic though and it's extremely difficult for them to string together comprehensive sentences and paragraphs let alone an overarching narrative. Personally I think Afrofuturism is funnier.
>>20786525Both Planescape and Disco Elysium are extremely similar in their approach to dialogue, now is far more grand in scale but Elysium is extremely personal, Harry as a character and his skills. It's unique and very interactive, very complete and attempts to be literary in structure.Disco Elysium is shit compared to the greats of literature, but as a videogame it's top 3. It has a massive personality in the way you see the world as Harry.Hotline Miami has great writing and a part of me knows that I shouldn't be looking into Elysium and rather here. I've played and loved both Furi and E.Y.E and frankly, as a story, they're similar to what I'm trying to make. Complete coincidence too, never considered until now.I'm trying to make a game based on a movie I'd love to do, but I am not trying to be a complete moviegame, it's about being a complete seizure, attack the screen. But I need strong characters, very personal stakes.
>>20787016There's like 15 people on the lit author infographic. Please talk about someone other than Flat Earth Gardner
I want to include a scene in my island novel where my main character is out hunting boar and has a bizarre encounter with a supernatural creature which shows how much he is losing touch with reality. What's a cool but underused creature I could use?
>>20787030Where did this flat earth meme come from regarding F. Gardner? I’ve seen that posted before here with no context.
>>20787036https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HsLfrpEAfB8I think from this interview. F Gardner starts talking about how he doesn’t believe the earth is round in it.
>>20786988I'm going to feed your posts into my novelAI account to train a module to see how accurately it can recreate your autistic rantings. Then when you kill yourself I'll keep posting for you, give me your stash of blonde whore pictures now.
>>20787034A right whale who rests in a lake. Who would expect to see a whale on land?
>>20784470Sátántangó and anything else by László Krasznahorkaianything by HP Lovecraft2666 by Roberto Bolano
>>20786135>dialogue focused>think first in images then in wordsDialogues are words, you knwo that right?
>>20787066Such an AI would undoubtedly kill itself.https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/10/japans-beloved-ai-schoolgirl-falls-into-suicidal-depression/
>>20787080yeah whats wrong with what i said?
>>20783651Gonna show this post to my dad when he gets home so I don't get kicked out of his condo.
>>20787034How about a burrick?That's a creature that appeared in the video game Thief: The Dark Project.I think it was inspired by the Star Wars "blurrg".
How do I write funny stuff without sounding like a Marvel movie
>>20784265in case you aren't laughing, let me explain this underrated gem to you: usually, when someone writes a screenplay, or anything really, they try to make it good or at least original. but whoever wrote the gangweed screenplay decided to make it BAD and intentionally included (intentionally bad) memes into HIS SCREENPLAY and he did it ON PURPOSE. Think about that for a moment. This is genuine artistric integrity. He doesn't even care if people think its dumb, in fact, he's actually one step ahead of them. He's acting dumb on purpose. This is all a game to him, and we are but chess pieces to be knocked over. I know, its pretty deep, it takes a while to understand the humor at play here. that's why its so important that we keep reposting it, because not only do more people need to understand that this is funny, but it allows 'oldfags' who are in on the joke, like us, to continue to delight in its mighty wit each and every time we see it. Truly brilliant, almost gardnerian in its execution.
which would you describe more as "big dick behaviour"?>writing a story where everything is just anecdotes you have written to prove that things are "good" and "bad" according to your biases>writing a story where you explore messy situations where nothing is clear cut so that the only result can be you confusing the readers and leading them to form their own conclusionsI'm not looking for either to be validated I'm really curious which way you're leaning an why
>>20787194No, I mean I am unironically the author of Gang Weed the Movie. I think we should cut the paragraph "A distant engine SCREECHES in the snowstorm. JULIAN is startled awake, gasping for air. A nightmare." But my problem is that if you cut that and go straight from Darkness. to "CLICK, CLICK, CLICK," then when you introduce Julian and have him cough, it looks like "JULIAN COUGHS" because the sound is in all caps, making it seem as though that's his name. We could move the engine screeching later, but it's thematically significant that Edmund is responsible for his recurring nightmares about The Slammer burning down. What I want to do is have the engine screech and Julian startled awake during the intro credits, before we're on the clock for the sixty minutes of the movie, since it's in real time. Not sure how to format that, but if anyone has any ideas, I'll fix it.
>>20787153Melville had several day jobs (clerk, school teacher, sailor on a whaling ship, etc.) to support his family.Writing, when it was successful, was a supplement.Do you have a day job, condo-squatting-anon?
>>20787227The essence of Chad behavior is success through absurdity, as if you were just born to win while being enigmatic because no one can place what you did right. That's the latter option and basically James Joyce. Not to say Joyce was vapid but he's so dense in story telling that it's awe inspiring.
>>20786355>tells me he knows the secret to good writing>his entire post is about knowingly writing crapI don't think you learned what you think you learned
>>20785757110K words so far, I try to put at least an hour or two into it each day, so maybe 10 a week on average.>Are you going to another medium or what?I'll just be too burned out from this project to write again.
>write a novel>realize you improved a lot and the ending is much better than the beginning >rewrite it >realize you got better >rewrite it >continue Is there a point when it's ready?
>>20787471Your improvement will slow down, that's when you know it's time to start publishing. I suggest you stop rewriting though and make something fresh.
>>20787067>Who would expect to see a whale on land?American here. I just have to open my front door. Mexicans are disgusting.
>>20787056Holy shit. F Gardner is like a goldmine for getting YouTube views.
>>20787471"Art is never completed it's only abandoned" At some point you'll reach diminishing returns and that's time to move on.
>want to write>WW3 and economic collapse sre right around the cornerWhy even do it? we are all going to die soonm
>The entire chapter is one person telling a story to the MCCould this be kino or is it fundamentally flawed?
>>20787533write about how simple optimization algorithms have pushed FUD to an entire population in a way the CIA could only dream of
>>20787173Write situational humor instead of quips.
>>20787536completely depends on execution, and by that I don't mean "how good the story is" but more like how it's delivered to the reader
Ok but for real, how do I write dialogue for my game? I want to focus on dialogue from time to time but I write like shit.I have been reading screenplays of media I'm very familiar with to see how dialogue carries over into voice but I need help.>>2078753690 percent of things can be kino with enough talent/skill.
>>20787536if you have to ask, it's probably not going to work
>>20787568We've already explained to you...EXHAUSTIVELY...that we can't teach you this.People pay thousands of dollars to get colleges to try to teach them this.Stop acting like it's possible to summarize something this complex and invididual.
>>20787016>>20787030>>20787036>>20787056>>20787194Kill yourself Gardner.
>>20787536It worked in "Pickman's Model" by H.P. Lovecraft.
>>20787536>>20787568>kinohow does having talent and skill make something dogshit?
>>20787511He’s the most mainstream of the /lit/ authors. So it makes sense. I’ve explained this before. It’s not very difficult to grasp.
>>20787568Compared to your previous posts, you forgot to add "OMG I'M SO DEPRESSED I WANNA KMS RIGHT NOW!!!!1! DRAMA BOMB! ATTENTION WHORE! EVERYONE STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND LOOK AT ME!"Not that I miss that or anything.
>>20787584He's an avatarfagging retard. Just report him already.
>>20787584But I am completely lost. My favorite movie had actors completely improvise their lines but I have no actors, now that I think of it, 3 of my favorite movies did that.>>20787609What makes me talentless?
>>20787606Because Gardner literally bought 4chan ads here for years. Call of the Crocodile was advertised more aggressively than anything else I can think of from this site.
>>20787630Fuck off Gardner
>>20787606Nobody talks about you but you, Gardner.Enough already with the samefagging and shill-spamming.I feel embarrassed for you.
>>20787630Call of the Arcade was the better book. He should have spent more money advertising that instead of Croc
>>20787626Pay a college thousands of dollars to have professors help you get unlost, and explain to you why/if you're talentless.Stop trying to get it for free, you cheapskate.And we are NOT free therapists.
>>20787654Have you seen the economy? It's over, I'll kill myself next year.
>>20787638I haven’t even read his books. Are you joking are or do you actually think I’m F Gardner?
>>20787644F Gardner is a one trick pony. All his books rely on weird twists just for the sake of being weird.
I want to write a book about a family man in modern America who, through boredom and a lack of satisfaction, falls into a depraved lifestyle. Anyways, here's the working start to it. >Under fluorescent lights, squeezed on one side of a table between two other heavy-breathing IT specialists, Matthew Etterman experienced a moment of true existential crisis – a crushing moment of self-realization. A completely unabashed truth shone in his heart like a beacon, guiding him to past glory days: the happiest days he had ever lived. Senior year of college – spring break, Florida, Palm Trees, and a loud heat spurred by the roar of wheels on pavement. He drank carelessly and made decisions on a whim; played with friends, prowled the slick poolside populated with those barely dressed women – ass cheeks and breasts spilled out from behind polyester panties, sun-tanned skin squeezed by bra strings, drinking and laughing. The thought had his heart palpitating. It has been twenty years since those wild and mischievous days, and Matthew’s now 38-year-old heart could barely take it. The slim figure he had back at the poolside had long been fluffed and softened through years of neglect and apathy; babies and marriage took precedent over self-care. Even worse than the tightened throbbing arteries past his ribcage was – the return of something he had been missing fondly – an erection. A real erection. One filled with excitement that made the face flush and the body hot. Matthew, in a hurry, rolled further under the table to conceal himself; he eyed the prompter of all this excitement: a simple survey form, a singular sheet of paper with the prompt “Describe the Happiest Day of Your Life.” Among twenty or so other coworkers all calmly filling out their forms, Matthew had no choice but to write, “The day my daughter was born.”
>>20787674>do you actually think I’m F Gardner?We are changing /wg/ to "The Frank Gardner School of Creative Writing"
>>20787688Eh the twists are one of the things F Gardner actually is really good at. The main appeal of Call of the Crocodile is the entire mindfuck reveal in it. That’s probably the main selling point. Pic related. Beware of spoilers.
Can someone explain if it's proper to use 'd as a contraction when you want to imply that the subject did something?I.E. "Aside from the gash in his chest and a few scrapes here and there, the armor'd done it's job." , where I want to say that "the armor had done it's job" but in a shorter way. Or alternatively>He hated the feeling, it'd been a good long while since he felt it.Where 'it'd' is a contraction for 'it had'. Apologies in advance if I'm retarded, but on looking it up I'm getting conflicting answers.
>>20787664Then why did you bother to demand we teach you how to write?Fscking attention-seeking drama-queen spammer.
>>20787724>>20787735>>20787751Get a job already, you parasitic NEET.
Boswell back to seething over Gardner again I see.
>>20787751Do you really have to stroke yourself in public this much?Are you overcompensating for erectile dysfunction or something?
How do I better organize my writing?You know Drafts>first draftsAnd a folder with a folder for ideas and one for notesOutlines and such and file placement.Not websites to use for organizeing but how do you make your file locations for writing so everything is stress free and not confusing
>>20787843Check out this AI outliner.https://subtxt.app/
There's a giant crocodile in my story. Should I reference Call of the Crocodile?
WTF DO I WRITE ABOUT
>>20787873Your true love
>>20787873Motherfucker if you don't know what to write about then no one wants to read the garbage you're going to put to paper.
>>20787873Really big dicks going into really tight vaginas.
>>20787873Nothing, Keep all your ideas in your head and don't share them.not on, a word doc, not on a google doc, not even on paper.Don't even *speak* about your ideasYou'll be the best writer ever,
>>20787882In other words...your hand.
>>20787854Yes. And then post a screenshot of it and post it here.
>>20787533I doubt WW3 will happen. It will be another depression at worst, not a collapse. Don't be a Virginia Woolf who killed herself when WW2 broke out. Keep writing.
>>20787803>>20787775>>20787638>>20787633Stop. Fucking. Samefagging.
>>20787965New Faggot Gardner OC
Swirling golden dust blew past Ostra as he stood under a black sun. The void star, encircled by a glowing ring that oscillated blinding rays, smothered the young man as he stood on a sea of sand. In the distance he saw Zotu struggling against a form that spewed clouds of dust… or was it smoke. Ostra could not tell.“Hey, leave him be!”Zotu screamed and Ostra launched himself into the assailant. The contact he made was as if he were tackling the morning mist. He landed hard in the sand. The grit scraping his face and shoulder raw. Rolling over he saw that the figure now mirrored Zotu. Zotu recovered and locked hands with the attacker. Now they were pushing and shoving trying to keep themselves square on the shifting ground. It took a bit but the realization left Ostra in wonder. Zotu was fighting his shadow. The shade was the same size and shape as Zotu but void of any color. The wisps of colorless clouds fell off the creature. Ostra wondered how he sailed through that shadow like it was vapor but Zotu fought like it were truly there.Ostra got to his feet and rushed to the fray but they vanished. Confused, Ostra closed his eyes and opened them. The boy and his shadow were gone.
>>20788015He's way fatter and sweatier than that. Picture a sow in heat on a humid 100 degree afternoon and extrapolate from there.
>>20787976The question is "What should it be?"See, there's a giant alligator who's whole thing is that it's friends with the gangs of NYC.It also ends up teaming up with a man who has incredibly severe gigantism to the point where he needs to wear a specialized suit that normalizes his body functions. It's that kind of story.
>>20787998Samefagging is when someone replies to their own post, pretending to be someone else.None of those posts were like that.What are you even on about?
>>20788026You forgot to mention the part where F Gardner is down on his knees sucking multiple cocks.
>>20787719Has a great opening line, the middle collapses I think into too much early depiction, but the end rounds out nicely. It may read better if you move the middle to the end, or possibly shorten it, or just reword it. Either way I like the direction it has. Clearly establishes character and is well written. When are you going to write more?
>>20787738One, it's should be its since it's a possessive, whereas it's is a plural.The 'd contraction is used correctly but it looks odd because normally the contraction is used with pronouns. Why do you want to shorten it anyways?
>>20787843You the other Elder Scrolls anon? Made any progress?For me I just have a fiction writing folder with subfolders for major genres I dabble in (fantasy, historical fiction, baldcore). Every story gets just gets one word doc - drafting at the top and outline at the bottom. Outlines are just a few bullet points for major ideas key events to come that get fleshed out more if the piece has legs.Once something has multiple chapters it is worthy of its own subfolder.
>>20788182looks like a garloid to me
>>20788059>LGBT icon F GardnerSeriously though. Gardner is like the perfect example of the hero we deserve. Did people think we’d get the next Shakespeare from these generals? Of course not. The end result is fucking Call of the Crocodile. A glorified /x/tier creepypasta by a mentally unhinged NEET flat earther. Pulp fiction.
>agent average response time is 5 days>It's been 2 weeks.Is this a good sign or a bad sign?
>>20788342What do you think? Go to someone else.
>>20788172Thanks for the grammar correction, been using a new word processor without a spelling checker and I've gotten sloppy. I like contractions becase I write in a very verbose way and I'm trying to whore wordcount as much as possible without castrating my beefier paragraphs.
>>20788030Cringe guy is angry the based famous guy is getting attention again.
>>20788514Fucking lost. This is like a YLYL thread now.
>>20784438What sort of porn do you watch?
>>20787751Good to see the OP changes I made when I wanted to shorten the OP became memes.Remember, this anon wouldn’t have made this meme if you faggots didn’t post useless shit like anime writing litrpg writing retardation.
>>20787873write about my writing which I posted in this thread and nobody responded to
Asking purely for advice on formatting. These 2 characters are twins who speak in turns, each quotation is one of them. single lines are either because one of them is finishing their thoughts or because the main character is speaking. I hope with how odd they are that its clear when he is speaking vs the twins.I am thinking that 2 per line with left as the sister, right as the brother. I will likely change this in editing, might make it so they always speak twice per line. Making it clearer when the MC is speaking.
>>20787786No, I was working at that hour.Because I have a job...like most other grownups.
>>20787873Most people who want to write have something they want to say.If you don't...then why do you want to be a writer?
>>20788691Why is that a question?
>>20789015Why is that not an answer?
>>20789030My own imagination? Mostly vanilla, I don't use porn that often.
retard question. is it bad to shift the POV very briefly, like they can do in movies? i don't mean head-hop, but something along the lines of... describing john in his bedroom from his POV, then describing people downstairs without john actually going down to see them, then going back to john?
Good evening, gentlemen, would anyone happen to know spanish? I agreed to assist a relative's proyect of writing small stories for some NGO that deals with children going through grief and wrote something from a sample he sent me. I'd share here, with the class, but google translate is the most my energy and I can offer the exclusive english speakers at the moment.
>>20789072as long as its clear I don't see any issue with it.john entered the awoke in his bedroom.-------------------------------meanwhile downstairs.I'd break it up with a single line between it or with dashes between those lines. whichever looks nicer to you.
>>20788135Thanks a lot for the reply. I appreciate your insight and I will revise this start with your input in mind. I'm planning on working on this novel seriously once I finish the short story I'm working on.
How long does it take you to outline a story beginning to end before you start writing?
>>20789268Depends on how detailed the outline is. It can go for 15 minutes to a week
I want to push a new revision of Gang Weed this week. Is there anything else I should fix? I made the actions on Page 1 more clearhttps://www.scribd.com/document/551280851/Unfiltered
Anyone ever donated to libraries their books? Curious how that conversation went.
>>20789450read that as donated libraries to their books
>>20789464I am a complete and utter retard when it comes to grammar. Yet I like making poetry/short stories. Oh well I come here to improve and shitpost>>20789485I figure it'll be good for local community and it seems fun to do. Plus, I don't give a shit about popularity or sales. If I wanted to be popular I wouldn't be writing.
>>20789494>I figure it'll be good for local communityby giving them a common enemy or...?
just realized I have a daycare-like setting in a story that's supposed to be trippy or absurd whenever possibleI was going to have an typical fuck-you-secret-dungeon underneath it that the side character uses to temporarily hold the mc but this is the opportunity for shit like endless mirror mazes or ball pits as deep as a lake
>>20787533People still wrote during WW1 and WW2 and the Great Depression, why wouldn't you want to write?
Currently reading (or listening to) Story by Robert McKee.
>>20789047That's your problem. Start watching hardcore shit and get shamelessly addicted. Then start attending sessions irl. Your books can only get better the more weird shit you experience
>>20789323I charge $75/hour for editorial services
>>20789802I'm suspicious of anyone who tries to sell me on something with the term "brain science." All the more so if it's a woman.
>>20789075I do. But the quality of my work depends on whether you want me to translate from english to spanish or visceversa
>>20787738Don't use a contraction for 'had' unless it's quoted speech. Readers will shorten it in their heads.
>>20789072The difference between third person omniscient and third person limited isn't sharply defined. You have some wiggle room. It's more a matter of consistency than correctness. It would seem weird if that were the only time in the text you switched away.
>>20789731>People still wrote during WW1 and WW2 and the Great Depression, why wouldn't you want to write?Radiation poisoning, for example...