Submit to & magazine to have your work featured in the upcoming issue. You can email your submissions to firstname.lastname@example.org, or submit via the website: https://lampbylit.com/magazine/submit/Read the July issue here: https://lampbylit.com/magazine/issue-014/Also, /&/ general. Any favourite pieces from previous issues? If you’ve already submitted something for the next one, tell us about it. If you’re still planning on submitting, then tell us about your ideas and what you’ve been working on.
More submission ideas here:
I’m going to submit JUST ONE of these, which one should it be?:https://pastebin.com/ZXn2dbBehttps://pastebin.com/hP6fp2Na
im writing a screenplay. itll take me a few months to finish
>>20775861Does anyone read it or just submit stuff
>>20776052The first one made me laugh, but I much prefer the second one. The futuristic airport setting is eerie and unsettling in a way that works really well. I’d suggest you do some editing before you submit though, because I noticed typos and sentence fragments throughout. There were also a few instances in which you could have applied the “show, don’t tell” rule (a cliché, I know) to achieve greater effect— specifically in the part where you wrote that “Peter turned the corner and saw something disturbing.” I think it’d read better if you instead described his reaction in a way that lets the reader infer that he’s disturbed by what’s in front of him. Anyway, if you don’t want critique then feel free to ignore, but I can give you more detailed feedback later if you’re interested.
>>20776067Cool, what’s it about? You should post an excerpt. >>20776105I assume that most of the people who submit stuff would read each new issue. There are probably also some readers who just lurk and haven’t submitted anything yet.
>>20776132Thanks man, i appreciate the read and the critique, I’ll definitely fine tune it before I submit
>>20776165Np, I look forward to reading it in the next issue!
Is the 4chan ad considered & material?
>>20776258Dunno, but you could throw it in and see what editor anon says. It made me laugh, at least.
how dumb would it be to submit a slightly edited version of something that was published in a previous issue
>>20776331I don’t see the problem, but editor anon might not want to publish repeats. Seems like there’s been a dearth of submissions lately though, so maybe more content would be welcome. I suggest you email and ask.
>>20775861I'm thinking of submitting a letter I'm writing to my ex girlfiend that moved to another city and became a published writer and book tiktoker. It has some valuable reflections on writing in the age of cultural overproduction and the desire to reach out and say something amongst a sea of noise. I wish I was better at writing this kind of stuff, though. Not only for the quality of the magazine but also to impress her lolidk
>>20775861>https://lampbylit.com/magazine/issue-014/also letter from the editor was my fav, probably.
>>20776394Sounds interesting. You should post an excerpt of what you’ve got so far.
Do you pay contributors?
>>20776417This zine is created by a bunch of random anons and is in the public domain, so what do you think?
>>20775861What is your policy on hateful racial slurs.
>>20776417They do it for free.
>>20776428Not editor, but I think he publishes basically anything, within reason— the only submission he’s refused to print was from an anon who sent in several pages of nothing but the n-word, iirc from an earlier thread. But in the interest of improving the quality and reputation of the zine, I’d suggest that, if your work includes slurs, then make sure they serve a legitimate artistic purpose of some kind. If you’re just spewing /pol/-tier racism then no one one wants to read your lazy shit anyway, so try to actually put in the effort to create something meaningful instead.
Any thoughts about the June photography issue? I haven’t seen much discussion on it.
>>20775861I will submit a story in two or three days.I'm trying to work around it, it's perfect on my head, but I always keep going through these useless details that makes me start over again.
>>20776899Use pastebin to link your current draft if you want some feedback to help you along.
Okay like I mentioned in /wg/ I can submit my cut chapter from the novel I was working on to this issue. It reads more like a horror so the tone was just too different from the rest of the book to keep aside from referencing what happened. If I polish it up and submit next week is that all right? Or do you need it sooner?
>>20775861I've got a short story I'm going to send in. 1442 words good? I'm going to give it another edit tomorrow then ship it.
>>20777090Not the editor, so I’m not sure when the next issue will be coming out. I haven’t heard from him since just before the last one was released. Another anon said that if submissions are slow then there might not be a new issue until next month. But the July issue came out on July 8th, I think, so maybe he’s shooting for a release date sometime later this month? If anyone has more info on this then post it here. But even if your submission doesn’t make it into the next issue, I’m sure he’d be willing to use it for the one after that. >>20777113Send it in— the more content to draw from, the better. What’s your story about?
>>20777154Science fiction piece loosely tied to one of my novels. Kind of hard to describe it beyond a guy having a breakdown. It's gotten good feedback from other /lit/ authors.
>>20777188Sounds cool, you should post an excerpt here
>>20777239>I laughed and sucked on my cigarette. I pulled air through it till I burned my fingers and my chest was puffed up with fire and smoke and I let it all out like dragon’s breath. “I ain’t broke, and even if I am, it all cycles ‘round. From pauper to prince and back again, no matter what I do. I’m a cog in the machine. No, not even a cog. I’m a tooth on a cog. That’s why I go up, and then I go down. But, at least I know I matter. You wanna know how I know that?”
>>20777295I like the sort of cynical bravado in this passage. Looking forward to reading the rest!
>>20777379Thanks anon. Like I said, I'll be emailing it in tomorrow after one last edit pass. Just a busy night tonight.For better or worse I pushed the tone and style more than normal. Made it fun to write, but somewhat dissimilar to my novel. Not sure if this will really do the job of making people want to check me out, you know?
>>20775861You should dedicate a page for shit like this >>20769776
Is & still pure schizolology or should I make another pass at submitting for it again? I submitted for the inaugural issue but fell off pretty quickly because the shit:content ratio was very poor.
>>20776915That's not a bad idea, but unfortunately I started in pen at my workplace. Today I'll come home and work on it.I think it's a great thing if all of us could do this kind of feedback for each other. Critique during the creative process is much more valuable than a evaluation of the complete work.
>>20777407Let me put it this way: there’s more shitposting, ‘schizolology,’ and ESL shit in & than I’d like. But the solution to that isn’t to give up and abandon it— the solution is to keep submitting good, effortful work. If all the anons who actually care about their writing keep working at it and submitting content consistently, then the shitposters will be outnumbered and the quality of the zine will improve dramatically.
I'll submit another short story if I can still send it in in a couple days.
>>20777801>low effort high occurrence shitposting will be outnumbered by high effort, low occurrence effortposting if you believe in the heart of the cards or some shit idkFucking rousing speech there anon
>>20777982Don’t talk shit if you don’t submit.
>>20778320Hes absolutely right. Dont talk about it be about it you fucking coward.
>>20775861Idk if this has already been said countless times, but the design of these are sublime. Might submit something just based on that, I'd love to be included in a project like this.
>>20775861any idea when this sub period will end?>>20776105it's fun stuff to read
>>20776105I read it (and submit). There are always gems in each issue, and even the schlock is interesting as some form of perspective. I think it'd be cool to see a "best of &" issue to collect all the better entries.>>20777536I feel like critique before release might spoil it a bit. Maybe that's not best for practising writing in general, but I like to do what I can and then see if anyone comments on my shit in the ensuing thread. People posting their favourites or post-release critiques would be cool (and happens sometimes).
>>20775861I've submitted an earlier draft to Mr. Editor last month. I'm about to submit a newer one. you can also find it here >>20779090
>>20775861Editor, email the guy who wrote the Hell Streams story, ask him for moar, that was one of my favorites.
>>20775861First story, first edition, "The Justice System". Had me hooked. Didn't care too much for this July's pedo piece.
How to get out of slump where you wanted to write something for +amp for months but cant get to it¿
>>20776105I think majority of people who know of & just lurk the threads and read it
>>20775861Sent in a short story just now.
>>20779447outline again and again with increasing detail.
>>20778753Might be nice to do a “best of” issue, but it’d be hard to figure on how to decide which works to include. Would it just be based on editor’s choice? I agree that it’d be cool to have a more structured post-release critique of submissions too. Kind of pains me that the ones that get the most attention in the “new issue” threads seem to be the shitposts. >>20779197Wasn’t a fan either. I know it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but it was cringe-inducing and sort of irked me. Hopefully if the zine starts getting more good submissions than editor can be a bit more choosy with filtering out stuff like that. But at the same time, I suppose that even the low-tier type content represents something unfiltered about /lit/.
>>20778585Yeah, the design is always impressive. Editor does a great job.
>>20775861Holy fuck this is terrible. The “editor” deserves to be executed for producing garbage for “014” issues
>>20780888Easy to talk shit when you don’t submit your own work.
>>20780888you don't get itIt's important to read what /lit/ produces to realize how dumb everyone here really is. This is a service to the community.
>>20780966>easy to talk shitCertainly, is considering what pieces the “editroon” determines have merit to be published in that schlock
>>20780987If the editor receives 20% good submissions and 80% shit, then when it’s time to release a new issue, what choice is there but to use what he’s been sent? The zine needs to have a certain amount of content to fill each issue. If you want a better zine to read, then do your part and send in some better work, man.
Submit this https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B8DDQH23/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?crid=1Y8OXDAL7UO15&keywords=lockdown+love+story&qid=1659548531&sprefix=lockdown+love+stor%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-5
>>20780987He doesn't determine anything, he literally publishes whatever he gets. It's not merit-based, it's who-submits-before-the-deadline-based. Any fags bragging about getting in or asking how to qualify are missing the point.
>>20776620It was cool but not as interesting as the usual issues imo
Based on my progress tonight it looks like I will be able to start editing something on Saturday to submit, that cut chapter I was referring to. I'm on pace on my editing the rest of the book so I think I can afford to get something early next week (fingers crossed). Pic related was a doodle when I first started writing that book.
>>20783562Sounds great, hope to read it in the next issue!
>>20783709Yeah I edited it once already and months ago several anons said I lean towards shorter sentences than other anons in /wg/. Probably only compliment I've gotten in my writing so far but I rarely post any. I really just need to tighten up some of the themes and cadence because my story changed quite a bit in the past few months.
>>20775861Would you guys accept a book review of a two volume manual on sustainable farming along with a dive into the philosophy of permaculture and maybe a poem to go with it?
>>20783800& accepts literally anything
>>20783810It was more of a "do you think it sounds like it wouldn't be pure garbage" kind of question
>>20783815that's really up to you. is your review tongue in cheek? does it have some sort of overarching point that elevates it past a bare bones review of an instruction manual? there's certainly potential to do something subversive and interesting with it
>>20783800I'd absolutely read something like that, writing from expertise is always great. It could be straight-laced and I'd still enjoy it, assuming it is at least written competently.
>>20783815that reminds me of Unreal doing the interview with the guy about some religion involving cryopods for humans until catgirls are real. At first I thought it was a book but then I started to lose it. Yours is nowhere near as bad but even if it was it'd have a kind of "Coast to Coast AM" vibe of here let this absolute madman have the microphone.
>>20783830>that's really up to you. is your review tongue in cheek? does it have some sort of overarching point that elevates it past a bare bones review of an instruction manual?The review would really be a basic framework to use to sperg out about the philosophical implications of sustainable farming, deep ecology, etc. It would be played completely straight.I already have the poem done so maybe I should just go for it.An aged buck once rightly proudknows it's due has been taken, enveloped swift by nightly shroudnever again to awakenBut what's this! Something growssilence soon breaks to splendorbrilliant flowers in season roseover the buck that noone remember
>>20775861i emailed you my poems answer me
>>20783815Ahhh, not sure. I think it could be interesting, depending on how you spin it.
>>20783915>philosophical implicationsthat could work. doesn't have to be satirical but it should be interesting/novel in its take
>>20780598i like the idea of a "best of". would make for a good issue when you dont have a great deal of submissions.
>>20784492Yeah, could be a good idea
>>20775861Which article was the worst one ever
>>20783878That conversation will haunt me
>>20775861Thank you for the work, anons. I really like the concept, and the previous issues you have.My God, what is with the design of the cover and content pages though? They are extremely hard to read, I get that this is an avant-garde magazine, but it's almost to the point of unfunctionability.
>>20784492Much as I like &'s design, I think a best-of anthology would also work well as a (smaller) paperback book, just text black and white
>>20778364Because it's funny
You guys should do another F Gardner piece. That was kino.
>>20782500>he literally publishes whatever he gets.i hope that isn't true. when submitting, i kinda hoped he'd actually reply with some suggestions before he puts it in at least.
>>20785046shut the fuck up
>>20785085It is true
>>20785085>>20785240No.From the 3rd issue
>>20785278Thank you for reminding me of this. I remember reading this and it giving me some sort of hope, or aspiration.Since some anon suggested I submit my work, and the quick read of a few issues and a submission without any further edits I sort of forgot about it all. I never heard from Mr. Editor, and thought I would spend the month working on filling the piece out. Well, it's about a month later and I've seen so many people talk shit I've kind of grown disillusioned. I'm sure it's simply not the way it is, but it'd be nice to hear something either way.
>>20785278Interesting, because in recent & threads the editor has emphasized that he’ll publish literally anything
>>20785278>>20785556I wonder if he stopped getting as many submissions and relaxed his standards
>>20785278I want that prestigious &c beside my work! I am gmi.
>>20785556Sad. In that case, let's just strive to make the best we can.>>20785568Go on anon, we are waiting!>>20785343I'm not the editor, but I do believe that each time as a writer we are always learning more and getting better.Can't speak for the rumours, but making your work better is never a waste of time. Hope you make something you're proud of, anon.
>>20776052You got real talent, anon. I implore you to submit these stories to an established, paying magazine that you can actually mention in your bio.
>>20784823idk prob the one in the last issue where some degenerate literally wrote abt taking a shit in a public toiletor the pedo oneor the stupid coomer poem basically if u ask me theyre all shit
Is K-anon still writing short stories? There were like four of his that I really liked.
What do you lads want to see more of?
>>20786263more original art and more poetry
>>20785046Yea i loved that.
>>20786362I can barely do prose, my poetry would be awful. I did learn a decent amount from reading Paul Fussel's Poetic Meter. Only reading a couple poems a day in contrast to a couple hours of prose. I always revisit those poems as one session later to really look at why I liked certain ones.Maybe at some point but for now I read it to get a better handle on cadence and logic.
>>20786263How often do you do interviews or reviews? I have only read a few issues but I'd love to see more behind the writers. That is what got me excited about Unreal's podcast because I wanted to see what nesmer had to say.
>>20787202Not often enough; more is always welcome. There was a review essay on Eggplant in the May number (012) though.
>>20787212Are you the editor?
>>20786362>more original artAlright, someone send editor-kun my rendition of the board's greatest free-thinker.
>>20787174I’ve never read Fussell, but I’m really interested in the mechanics of formal verse, so I’ll check him out. I also like to read poetry in smaller quantities, because it’s so dense with content that in relatively few lines there’s so much that you can unpack and mull over. What are the common qualities in the poems that you’ve liked and revisited? Any favourite poets? >>20787232This made me laugh. He most definitely deserves an artistic tribute. >>20775861I’m still trying to decide on what to submit for the upcoming issue. I have a few finished sonnets I wrote last year that I might submit as a triad, but considering that & seems to need more content, I thought it might be nice to submit a longer work instead. Lately I’ve been working on a long poem written in iambic tetrameter quatrains that I’m considering submitting. It’s loosely inspired by Tennyson’s “In Memoriam A.H.H,” which is about his grieving process after the untimely death of his closest friend. Although the subject matter of mine is admittedly far more self-indulgent and less tragic, it deals with vaguely similar themes of trying to reconcile personal melancholy with the outer world, the changing seasons, and the passage of time. But I’m not finished with it yet, and will probably have to work intermittently for at least another week or two to get a draft that I’m happy with. I also have some experimental short fiction that I could throw in, but I’m considering publishing that in a local zine under my actual name, so I’m undecided. I’d rather submit poetry to & because there aren’t really any opportunities to have formal verse published through traditional channels these days. And I work so hard on my shit that it’d be cool to have some sort of audience for it— plus, as the subject matter is so personal it’s nice to be able submit anonymously.
>>20787392Thomas Wolfe is my fav so far but Ive read James Dickey, currently reading Ezra Pound and then Yeats. John Milton and Wolfe are big influences in my prose. Wolfe was like the father of the beat gen and he's got this really haunting use of repetition that I just really like. He is dramatic but his words aren't too big, it's really approachable I think.
>>20785046https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HsLfrpEAfB8This was better. But that’s probably a safe idea. F Gardner seems to pull in a baffling amount of attention. Just look at how many fucking views his interview here had.
>>20787472Is it really that much of a surprise? F. Gardner is the most famous writer from /lit./ What do you expect? It’s not exactly a mystery.
>>20787503that he farms views and fake reviews? yes not a misterie at all.
>>20787232the fucking crocodile in the background made me lmao
>>20787232Hahaha. Pls more F Gardner fan art
>>20787232>>20787704for once he gets the recognition he deserves
>>20787704need a /d/ request for Gardner femboy inflation with onara
>>20776052Just finished the first one. Excellent writing, Anon.
>>20775861>If you’re still planning on submitting, then tell us about your ideas and what you’ve been working on.I'm going to submit a swords and sorcery short that features rough gay sex
>>20787933go back to ao3 where you belong, faggot
>>20787232do Waldun next
>>20787969I'll do a line up with him and all the other /lit/ whackos sometime. Glad I could make a few anons laugh today.
>>20787993lol pls do it also how do I get good at art?
>>20788029By suffering. You get good by suffering.
>>20788029Download everything by Loomis, Vilppu, Hogarth, and Dodson, skim bits of them, never draw, complain on /ic/ that you weren't born with talent and have aphantasia
Literally just release an issue of & with pic related and the title “Man of the Year.” Guaranteed meme, inevitable endless threads, and the best selling issue you will ever have.
>>20788029Not an artist, but from what I remember from art class and friends that paint, part of it is studying the craft and practicing often. Depending on the medium there are lots of techniques, little tricks that help you give the impression of shape, light, all kinds of things. Maybe it's a particular brush, color contrast, who knows? Writing is the same way. We have rhetoric tricks, cadence and literary devices that give interesting impressions. There can be so many things going on in writing that it seems like magic but it's really all practice and awareness of your bag of tricks and what effects your writing are going to have. If I were learning art I'd look at it the same way.
>>20788078Damn. That is greatest idea I’ve seen posted in a while. The seething would never end.
>>20788061Suffering through hours of practice? Or just general life suffering?
>>20788010wtf I like garner posting now
>>20788118The practice. But general suffering is probably good for channeling some SOUL.
>>20783800>>20783915There's an anarcho-primitivist zine called "Garden" or something like that which has a few issues out so far. You should contact them to see if there's any interest. I heard they did an interview with forest anon.>>20785562Yeah, that's why the last issue was only 80 pages. There's a lack of content, so he publishes whatever he receives, though I'm sure he'd like to be picky. Pic related is from 014.>>20785720>some degenerate literally wrote abt taking a shit in a public toiletThanks for reading.
>>20780598> Might be nice to do a “best of” issue, but it’d be hard to figure on how to decide which works to include. Would it just be based on editor’s choice?Could try a voting system of some kind— idk how it’d work in practice though. And if it was anonymous then the shitposters would all probably just vote for themselves. >>20788245>There's a lack of content, so he publishes whatever he receives, though I'm sure he'd like to be picky.That sucks. I’ve read most of the issues, and the past couple seem to have noticeably declined in quality, although I did recognize a few contributors who seem to still be sending in decent shit consistently.
should I submit a journal entry that I wrote on the night that I tried to off myself a few years back? or would that be too depressing and lame?
>>20788317>and the past couple seem to have noticeably declined in qualityye i stopped sending in. sorry my man
>>20788442name one thing you submitted, bc I feel like ur full of shit
>>20777295This is great! I'd love to read this, anon.
>>20788078based famous guy
>>20788621based and crocodilepilled
>>20787969>>20788029Okay, I drew some. I might draw some more board characters if there's still a thread in a few days.
>>20788867eternal newfag here, I know Waldun, Gardner, and Nesmer, but who are the other two?
>>20786263I’d like to see some longer stuff maybe
>>20788867>Card made the cut>I didn't
>>20788934I man obsessed with milk and another bound to introduce himself. >>20789031lmao have faith, I'll get to you.
>>20788867>top 10 anime ensembles
Dog Killer was my favourite from the last issue. I did it up so I could post it here while keeping editor's touches. Thinking I'll go through other issues for my other favourites so there's something to actually do with & content in this thread.Has anyone read FLEXÜR? It's up on the website but I haven't gone through it.
>>20788934choose your fighter
>>20789089I tried, it’s essentially long-form schizoposting. Couldn’t get through it.
Any & contributors here ever submitted to minimag?
>>20789042Card was talking mad shit about August being his month, but my 2nd book came out on mondayUnfortunately, no one knows who the fuck I am. At least Unreal Press just interviewed me
>>20789198Nah, but I was looking at the thread that's up. Anything good in issues 03-05? Also you can chat with the editor if you go to the website lmao.
>>20789090I'm not sure who wins, but I know Waldun loses
>>20789089Good read. I wonder if he was inspired by that one greentext of the guy who puts down dogs at the pound. This feels like it except if the guy who wrote it was schizophrenic.
>>20789204Issue 05 was pretty decent. One of the poems in it called “gross” vaguely reminded me of the triptych from & 014.
>>20788617Thanks anon, I submitted it to the email. No response yet. Should I be expecting a response?
>>20789253Editoranon might be mia, sometimes he takes a long time to respond
>>20789090>>20789207>>20789090F Gardner is literally a karate blackbelt who thinks he has magical powers. He’s overpowered as all hell.
>>20788245>I heard they did an interview with forest anonThat was a good interview. He talked about daily life in the forest and how he was a desert hobo before. They asked him about being investigated by the FBI too. I lost my copy but pic related is a good quote from it
>>20789310based and tedpilled
>>20788867Hey, you're the /int/-tard who draws anime catboys, aren't you?
>>20789310Do you have a link?
The Only Computer Crime for Which Theologians are Consulted, & issue 011. Killer was another I liked from that issue. Lots of good shit that November.>>20789223Neat, I gave it a read and it was cool, gonna check out the other issues. Comparison of Gross to the shit-tych seems apt.>>20789429I came across a leaflet PDF of the first issue, but otherwise I've only found them available for print on Amazon (garden issue 1/2 under "books").
>>20789482Holy shit, this was good. The hell-stream concept is fascinating. Something about the descriptions towards the end —“eternal horrors in gestation” and “writhing monstrosities”— reminds me of the sermon in A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, or of the section of “The Temptation of St. Anthony” with Hilarion’s series of twisted and perverted visions. Just carries the same overwhelming, disturbing sense of dread.
>>20789429I'll see if I can find it again
>>20789722>livestream of hellLmao. That’s literally the plot of Call of the Arcade.
>>20789482Also here's Marginal Lives since that one was well-liked. Old man who loves the library.>>20789209Any chance you've got the greentext?>>20789722>the sermon in A Portrait of the Artist as a Young ManHa, that's the same comparison I made when that issue came out. Good shit. ⾃(縛/爆) (Jibaku?) was also really good. And I heard the anon who wrote Shiva's Phallus got kicked out of a mall by security for drawing dicks all around the bathroom.
>>20789782I found the dialogue in “Marginal Lives” pretty stilted, and the ending was a bit obvious and trite. Nice sentiment, though.
Shit-Eater Triptych, & issue 014. Stories about shitting for purveyors of booze and microtext.>>20789819Yeah, I agree. Wasn't my favourite but I figured it was worth posting since it received attention in the original November issue thread, plus it's a good example of something less schizo that made it into &. (Editor also did a good job with the designs surrounding it.) I'll dig around for more to post tomorrow.Does anyone on /p/ talk about &?
>>20775861Thank you for the July issue mr editor and contributors.
>>20789482god I fucking hate this gay ass HP lovecraft shit>SOMETHING I SAW ON A SCREEN IS DRIVING ME INSANE!!!!!
>>20790788brb gunna go write cosmic horror where it's revealed that Trump's twitter account was a cryptid and it getting banned was actually exorcists killing the thing before it could drive more people insane.
>>207760521st one is literally r*ddit tier story. I fucked a dolphin lol!!!
the issue isn't loading for me
well man, I just went through the whole thing.the graphic design is by far the best part of it. it's seriously upsetting how nothing in there was worth reading. I would've maybe liked the grandfather clock story if the idiot who wrote it didn't keep saying that the clocks had been "gifted" to him.really depressing and shamefulI don't say this just to be a hater. I was excited to get something out of this. At the least I can commend you on your hard work compiling all this shit and putting it together. Although, again, it's retarded that the compressed PDF is 70 mbs. I'm sure you can do better than that.
>>20790993I'm on issue 2 (12). Ano Dyne's comics are the only things that had any meritfinished issue 12, not gonna read any more, signal to noise too low
>>20790993In your opinion, which pieces were the worst, and why?
>>20791038>2 (12)So you’re reading backwards?
>>20790788That’s a total mischaracterization, retard
a parody of Dog Killer but it's called Dog Fucker and the narrator fucks dogs, with a note at the end where the author, F. Gardner, takes a moment to speak to the reader about bullying and why it's better to be nice.
>>20790993I thought there were a couple of good pieces in this issue, but it’s a shame that people aren’t submitting better work.
>>20791884Which one, July?
Hello. I have a paper for the philosophy section.
>>20792142Send it in— what’s it about?
>>20792153universals and Platonic forms
>>20776522Sounds pretty Jewish.
>>20775861>Submit to & magazine to have your work featured in the upcoming issue.no thanks.its shit
>>20792213don’t talk shit if you don’t submit
>>20777982it size of the body of water doens't matter when you only have a canteen to fill
>>20789782>Any chance you've got the greentext?Guess it wasn't a greentext but close enough.
I tried to submit my submission desu but I don't know if it's working desu nothing happens when I click on publish!
>>20789782peurile, vapid trash. terribly written, wooden dialogue, and flat, uninteresting characters. the plot was utterly predictable, and the ending was laughable. reads like an overdramatic teenage girl had to write a story for a school assignment. i pity the talentless hack who wrote this>>20789859inchoate, crude, and boring as fuck. has no narrative structure of any kind and goes nowhere. narrator seems like a gross, amoral scumbag with zero redeeming qualities, and the whole thing reads like some dime-a-dozen depressed alcoholic’s pseudo-intellectual navel-gazinglooked through this thread on a whim cause i hadn’t checked out & since last october. judging on what’s been posted here, there hasn’t been an issue worth reading since then. not worth any more of my time so i won’t be back
>>20792709who are you?
>>20792709>Acts high and mighty>Doesn't know how to give proper criticism.Never change, /lit/
>>20792159Sounds cool, anon—thanks for submitting. Looking forward to reading it in the next one. >>20792526Try emailing your submission to editor anon at the email address that I listed in the original post instead. Not sure how soon he’ll get back to you though, because I haven’t heard back from him for a while. >>20792709Don’t talk shit if you don’t submit. If you wanna critique then at least try to offer some constructive feedback and helpful suggestions. Most of what you said was unfounded and showed that you totally missed the point of what you were reading.
Editing my short story tomorrow. Hoping that I can get that out of the way in a day and to the editor.
>>20793195Good luck, anon! Hope it goes well.
>>20792721Hes probably just some basement-dwelling NEET with a huge superiority complex and no social life
>>20789089Dog Killer is kino. Creeped me out, but in the best way.
How does editor kun choose pictures to go along with the stories?
>>20791149I can also say that the editor's gay little interjection pages are, like the graphic design, much better than the actual content of the magazine. Fewer errors...There was nothing that stood out as particularly egregious, and I guess that's the worst part. It was all just really, really mediocre in a tiresome way. The thing about the guy who killed dogs was just edgy for edginess's sake. The thing by the guy with depression was just proof that depression doesn't always lead to great art. It seemed maudlin.It's just corny... like, "wastrel?" Who says that?the school of athens is trying to be funny without trying to be funny, in the worst way...>The night hangs soft against its neon backdrop, those lonely lightsreaching out as far as they can go. With a little less clutter, a little lessobsessive illumination, one could have seen from this vantage the seain the instantiation of its shifting dispositions. As it were, one cannot...the worst most pretentious unreal purple prose... the sea in the instantiation of its shifting dispositions? horrible.shower thoughts of apricots is singsong and ugly. fucking doggerelthe MRA poem is pretty awful too. Like I said man, it's like a puddle of toxic sludge. Which part of the puddle is the worst? I don't know, I don't really care. I wish it was food.Oh, actually, the freshman mid tier college essay on James Joyce is the worst. What the fuck are you doing putting that in your magazine? I guess that's tied with the pedophile one. I'm so tired of the shit people on here find cool. Wow a giant deer with 14 antlers and it had a skeleton head. A guy who is a pedophile with black tar coming out of his mouth and his eyes are incandescent light bulbs. HOLY SHIT THAT IS AESTHETICALLY APPEALING TO ME BECAUSE I'M A FUCKING SMELLY DOOMERA morally abhorrent, let us say (heh) BAD thing... BUT... it is described in terms of detached indifference, as if everything was (snicker) alright!~ Oh, what a sick little puppy I am.Fucking annoying. >>20791268in terms of issues, yes. ofc I read the magazine front to back>>20791399spot the lie
>anon footing the bill for &thank you
>>20792709this criticism is all totally on point.
I haven't read a lot of it but I just want to say that the anon who does the aesthetics and graphic design is doing a wonderful job. Well done anon.
>>20793648the aesthetics and graphic design have been saving & since issue one; there's usually only one or two genuinely great submissions per issue and without the visual element that would not be nearly enough to carry the work.
>>20793757or perhaps other anons just see the truth in what I’m saying? seethe harder, asshole
>>20793821There is no truth. It's incredibly shallow and worthless, like it was written by a high schooler with a thesaurus trying to be a contrarian. There isn't the smallest bit of value in your criticism. Ironically, it is about the level of writing that you yourself are attacking.I'm not even sure what I'd be seething about, I haven't submitted anything. Nice buzzword, though, I'm sure your reply felt searing in your head.
>>20792709I wrote the Shit-Eater Triptych and I agree with you on it. These are criticisms I've heard before (crude, directionless, etc.). I've received some compliments in threads for things I've written, but I think most of it is because I write stuff that's over-aligned to the robot/DOOMER/whatever mindset that dominates on here, just ticking all the boxes to the "woah im sad and useless fuck the world" archetype. It passes with the crowd on here because it's low-hanging fruit that every sop can relate to without it actually meaning anything or going anywhere. >>20793401 put it right with "maudlin" and for pointing out the shitty diction that plagues the shit I write. Not sure where I'm going with this, but I'd like to do better.If you haven't fucked off already I'd like to hear specifics on where you think I failed, or if there's any of it you'd consider half decent. I'll undoubtedly look like a fag trying to redeem my stuff by grovelling over criticisms, but I'd rather the & threads be filled with criticism than endless losers who don't read posting repetitions of "how2submit???"and "woah im published!!!" ad infinitum.>>20792721>>20792868>>20792933>>20793266>>20793757>assblasted over critique of someone else's workThese threads shouldn't be a hugbox. Most of the shit that appears does suck, and unless there's actual treatment of criticism it's going to stay that way. A lot of it is piggybacking on the editor's work to sit smug and pretend like our shit is worth something because someone else bound it up and made it look nice. While I think the whole endeavour is interesting and worthwhile and __fun__, it's clearly going to run into the dirt if you dismiss actual criticism. I submit for practice and fun, and I don't want it to be a useless exercise in writing pandering shit for people who think bad work ought to be defended. I don't think anything in & is totally irredeemable, but let's not pretend that even a fraction of it is actually good.I like reading &, I like sending stuff in. I like some of the stuff in it, and even find stuff like the pedo story redeeming for at least being funny, but it's clearly swamped with low-effort, ESL, and pointless crap. /crit/ threads way back had the same problem of a 20:1 ratio of posters to actual critiques, little better than pissing into the wind, just a slog of trite shit with rare moments of actual critique.Pic related from the editor, cut from earlier in the thread which none of you seemed to read.>>20793858You're a pussy. If you think he's fucking wrong then say what you think was good about the stuff he critiqued. And what did you submit? Otherwise you only come off as a wimp trying to secretly defend your own work by tearing down any and all criticism towards others.
It's telling that all of the faggots bitching about the critiques had nothing to say in defence of the works themselves. I've fallen into the same trap of not critiquing the stuff I like, but come on.
>>20793951as if literary magazines don't exist to invite critique, but rather to alleviate the neurosis of a community terrified to the point of agoraphobia of formal publishing.
>>20793951ok but who are you again?
>>20787846Close to "his" current look AFAIK
>>20793924>If you think he's fucking wrong then say what you think was good about the stuff he critiquedIt's not the pieces he criticized that's the problem, it's that it's entirely unhelpful. "Lul ur shit sucks." No one can demand quality output if no one gives quality input.And again, I haven't submitted. I just want there to be actual critique in this thread instead of the same drivel they decry, otherwise what's the point of submitting at all? To get responses one could literally generate from that one 4chan text generator?
>>20793924okay, I’ll give you a more in-depth critique if that’s what you really want. there were some things that I considered half decent, and I’ll tell you what they were if you’d like. but overwhelmingly i was bored and unimpressed, and the sense that I get is that the shit you’ve been writing is adapted from your own life, which creates a specific set of problems. I’ve got some stuff to do but I’ll tell you my thoughts in more detail when I come back
>>20793924I just read it and I agree with the other anon's criticism that it is crude and empty and goes nowhere. However, at the same time, I find this sort of doomer writing or whatever you want to call it somewhat comfy.
>>20794200Also I forgot to say this, but there were a couple things in your prose that I thought were pretty good, such as when you described the possibility of being caught "half nude mid shit" because this halfway/middle point language encapsulates I think one of the main themes here which is sort of like your whole life being caught in a "liminal space," as it were, a depressed alcoholic on the margins of normalfag society, functional enough to have a job and get by on his own, but not normal enough to fit in with coworkers.
>>20775861>If you’ve already submitted something for the next one, tell us about itJust sent in my first submission. It's a poem about Cassandra and loneliness, hope someone out there enjoys. It's kinda sad, which I prefer to avoid in my poems, but I'm honestly really proud of almost everything about how this one turned out(aside from one line that I fucking hate but couldn't figure a way to replace) so I thought I should submit it.
>>20794169Thanks, I'd appreciate it. On the point of being crude: do you think there's a way to do it without fucking up the writing? I'm gonna guess it's a matter of moderation. And any advice on giving it direction? Was there an obvious point where things could have taken a turn and been interesting narrative-wise?>>20794200>>20794225I'm glad there was some sense of theme to it. The language with "half-nude mid-shit" wasn't so deliberate other than trying to make it sound good, though I'll take note of the way that worked out. I'm happier with the writing itself compared to the narrative, which was a pastiche of three originally unrelated things that I decided later on to tie together. The three on their own were already meandering/pointless, so I can see how boring it is, especially in sequence. And I wouldn't want to call the shit-tych "doomer writing", but it did turn out cliché in that way. Ah well. I liked the spiralling-down feeling of writing it, but obviously that doesn't make things interesting if that's all there is, especially not in short-form.Anything else in the writing that worked well?
>>20793924I respect your willingness to listen to criticism and predict that you will eventually succeed. Keep tryingOne tip is that your story should be ABOUT something. Look at your favorite movies and you will soon realize that they are all fundamentally about some basic, one sentence concept.A story isn't a movie, mind you, but they're both narrative things, and ultimately about just one thing. Start there.So, like: "A guy is depressed" isn't a story.Look at fight club (something close): a guy is inducted into a secret manly underground fighting society and terrorist network which wishes to restore masculinity to the world. Step one is making it about something, step two is making sure the reader's interest is grabbed pretty soonish.
let me jazz things up by posting the only stuff in there I found any goodhis writing was more interesting in retrospect, but the pictures caught my eye
this one is the funniest, the only thing I've read from the magazine that approached art. the way it decenters your own subjectivity is just great
by this point it has become pretentious but there is still a thread of something interesting in there. it counts as art, culture, sophistication, with as a certain je ne sa quos, etc.
>>20794569If it's not too masturbatory, can you critique something else? Hoping to catch you before your attention burns up. Pic related is something else I sent in to & that I felt had a better narrative, so I'd like to know if I was more successful with that one. It still had awkward diction, but I do feel it had direction.>>20794613>try not to circumcise my photography like thatAny idea what's his in the older issues?
>>20794602>>20794606>>20794610>>20794613>>20794617God this is so garbage. Fuck you pseuds.Wait, now I get it! The joke is that the anthropomorphic character is sexually provocative but she actually holds convictions of an intellectual quality! So fucking reddit.
Void, & issue 012. Man obsessed with eggplants finally checks himself in.
>>20794617the raw stuff is there, but the substance (form) is missing. the idea of spit in soup isn't that 'literary,' really,* and I don't think the protag, for all his neuroticism, really approaches it in a realistic, or even psychologically credible (if he is a virgin/nutjob/paranoid) way. I mean, why *did* the guy spit in his soup? is there any explanation? If you're trying for a dreamlike surrealism, it's essential (in my opinion) to "cover your tracks," to make things at least have some superficial appearance of plausibility. You need a fig-leaf, to increase excitement, otherwise whatever is hiding beneath is just ugly. The last line of the story, on the level of realism, ought to be the first. The great pleasure of literature, what it can do which other mediums can't do, is shamelessly indulge in these "neurotic" ratiocinations. Why did he spit in my soup? Is it because I'm white? That's not *really* spit, is it? Maybe the juice that the chicken was packed in just pooled that way...etc. just off the top of my head. For that matter I'm not really sure whether spit would really show up in soup. It depends on the consistency. But you see that processing that into an inner argument would be mildly entertaining, humorous at least. Although I know it's obnoxious and unhelpful when someone critiques you by saying "this is how I would do it." I just think you need to be more grounded in vernacular reality. For that matter, even the first sentence, unfortunately, is kind of "off." It's been a few minutes, but you noticed the soup instantly? So, what are you saying? You've been holding back from eating for minutes at a time? That's very unusual. Your soup will get cold... >>20794623no, the joke in the first image with the cowgirl is that the viewer (which we typically take to be photographic and thus hyper impartial, even in pornographic furry anime—in fact, in pornographic furry anime, the illusion of realism contributes a great deal to the tittilation)—this viewer, the "visual narrator" so to speak, is untrustworthy, but we only find this out after we have absorbed the hot cowgirl and move over to the words. It's a genuinely bizarre and funny joke, and it works. She's not a cowgirl, and (absurdly enough) he can even hear her complaint! Yet like a true psycho, he thinks he's totally sane. She protests, but she's sadly deluded. She *is*, in fact, a cowgirl. It's just funny.And the second one is, like I said, verging onto pretentiousness, but it still means something. An anime style furry is a confused blend of signs and signifiers, only really legible to extremely fucked up coomers. It's a picture of some obscene undercurrent of our soul. There's at least some interplay between the idea of society as a constant spectacle and the fact that a furry anime girl is saying it. Idk. Less good than the cowgirl one. But interesting. or maybe I'm just a coomer. Idk.
>>20794644>or maybe im just a coomerThat's exactly it, my friend. There's nothing amusing or subversive about feckless nonsense like this. If this is the direction "underground literature" is taking, I want no part in it. There's still beauty in the world, elsewhere.
>>20794644The points on realism make a lot of sense, so I'll keep that in mind; unless there's an aim for surrealism, unrealistic shit is just going to make the reader detach. I could have done a lot more to make it seem plausible. Do you have any suggestions on what I could have done to make it psychologically credible? I've got no qualms about the "this is how I would do it" thing.About the spitting itself, the point was to explore a really conspiratorial notion about the world and feelings of weakness: that others can somehow sense (your) weakness and that they prey on it; how quickly infuriating it is to be trapped between yourself and society and anonymous cruelty. The spit itself is plainly unrealistic, and genuinely pointless (never meant for there to be a real motive), but I was hoping for it to be more of a portrayal of a certain line of thinking. It's a way of thinking that I struggle with internally, and the whole thing was inspired by episodes of my father. Probably a similar trap to my other writing in being overly personal and therefore opaque to a reader.
>>20794751I don't think that "too personal" is really a problem, weirdly enough. If it's authentic, people can mysteriously tell.I guess in terms of psychological credibility... just, what would you actually do if someone had spit in your soup?I think that everything hinges on whether the spit really happened or not. If it didn't, that changes everything. I get artistic ambiguity (a very fruitful thing), but that doesn't seem present here. If he's just hallucinating... that's beyond mere paranoia, you know?
New to &, do people have any favorite things to recommend? I've never read a book before, but I'll write something if anyone thinks these sound entertaining.>"The Necromancer", a Halloween-type spooky story about a guy who is living with a dead waifu.>"Three Brothers", a husband and wife have difficulty conceiving a single child. In what can only be a miracle, the couple succeed in giving birth to triplets. However, things spiral out of control when the children are clearly made of bronze, silver, and gold.>???, Every year, a small village selects one child to be offered to the UFO that appears on Saint Nicholas of Myra day (December 6th, patron saint of children)
>>20794829Nah, the spit was definitely meant to be real. No hallucinations, but I guess it got a little more surreal than I thought. I'll meditate on what I'd do about spit in my soup.On my "too personal" concern: it's a worry that I'll write something that only I understand, or something that's only complete with the context I have in my head. Then I hope it's at least authentic. Thanks for your help.
>>20794610too animal for me but I respect the cow girl
>>20775861How do I get started with writing? I want to write comfy stuff, if that makes sense. I'm not pursuing a /lit/ degree so will that it make it harder to get into writing? I don't exactly have plans to get published, but I just want to write like a short story or something
>>20793401>the worst most pretentious unreal purple proseI don't understand this. Isn't it possible that some people just... write like that? Why does it have to be pretentious? Why is it pretentious to write a story with less common language, if that's just how you communicate?
>>20790993>I would've maybe liked the grandfather clock story if the idiot who wrote it didn't keep saying that the clocks had been "gifted" to himthat was the most milquetoast and generically-written of all the (attemptively) serious works submitted. i really wish "people" like you would find it within yourselves to be more fucking humble.
imagine coming into a 4chan zine with high expectations.Ironically I've been impressed so far. Dog Killer is really, really good and I hope Dale Gribble or whatever the author's name was submits more stuff. I'll gladly read anything else he puts out
>>20795792Think of the short stories that you like, figure out why you like them (patterns, word choice, pacing, etc.), and try to replicate it in your own story
Is it too late to submit for this month?
@winamp mods do you publish non-english poetry
>@winampel retardo kicked in sorry lol
>>20788560I was joking about the correlation but i used to send in a lot of stuff five issues ago
>>20793401>the school of athens is trying to be funny without trying to be funny, in the worst way...could you elaborate on this? thanks
>>20795792I agree with the other anon, but I'd also suggest keeping a journal consistently. It's more practice writing, and I think the introspection is important if you can use it creatively.>>20796218Probably not. I'm guessing editor is taking a month off or waiting for enough submissions.>>20796224Pic related from the last issue. (And nobody here is actually affiliated with &, but send it in anyway, mane.)>>20794168It wasn't unhelpful, the critiques had fairly specific points.>inchoate, crude, and boring>no narrative structure and goes nowhere>reads like pseudo-intellectual navel-gazing>It's just corny... like, "wastrel?" Who says that?>It seemed maudlin>etc.There are others in the thread who disliked the thing and didn't address any specifics (see the anon who said the story about toilets sucked). If you had pointed out those, then fine, but these two posts actually provided some level of depth.I have to admit to being a jackass and missing you saying that you didn't submit, but I still think you're wrong.>>20793973I agree with the idea that & is an outlet for the sort of people browsing /lit/, but remember that this is a magazine that (currently) accepts and publishes everything. The editor is not judicious in what he includes and it shows plainly in the quality of the writing. For most it's not about being too afraid of traditional publishing, it's about not being good enough, so I think it's a wasted opportunity to dismiss criticism.
The Bog Brother, & issue 012. QRD: tunnels, peanut-heads, galoshes, choirs.>>20794643Someone say something about Void because I liked it a lot.>>20795905Being verbose isn't a good thing, and if the author doesn't have a good handle on the language he uses it's going to detract from the story. The language should serve a purpose. Since anon was on about Bones of the City, I'll say I found it interesting, but the writing can be tough to get through. (The author chimed in last thread and said he's writing "meandering, maximalist piece of experimental fiction", which I'm assuming Bones is a sample of.) He shoots for something abstract without a strictly coherent narrative, and the verbosity on top of that makes it incoherent at times.
Second last pass done on this scifi short story, setup for the novel. I think I can finish it tonight and submit. I don't really get too much into the characters but I don't really have time to. It's really just to explore an idea.
>>20775861HELLO EDITOR MAN I SUBMITTED A SHORT FICTION PIECE TO YOUR EMAIL IN THE FORM OF A PDF. LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU READING IT. THANK YOU!
>>20797632You should probably send in a format he can easily extract text from. Unless you really want to preserve the typesetting you gave it.
>>20794617I really like the style! Strange subject matter, but it hooked me. Glad I read it.
>>20797022>VoidI thought the (1st person) narratorial voice and the indeterminate narration of events, going back and forth between an explicit happening and a more timeless description of the situation, in a span of time of (let's assume) a month or two in a short space of text work very well. It's fitting for the narrator, but it also just suits the short story form very well and reminds me of other short stories I've read. Good stuff
>>20797022>The author chimed in last thread and said he's writing "meandering, maximalist piece of experimental fiction", which I'm assuming Bones is a sample ofi'm That Guy. for the record, bones is just a standalone short story. i'm glad i checked this thread though, so thanks for the feedback. i won't necessarily die on a hill i left behind two years ago because i feel like i've been steadily improving since writing it, but... i do still kind of like "instantiation of its shifting dispositions." it's got a nice assonance to my ear, and a bit of an internal rhyme. it is, admittedly, very goofy though. i like to think that i could probably clean up these sentences which i know most people won't like and be more "successful," but... my ambition (read: arrogance) wants me to make precisely zero concessions for the taste of others when conflicting with my own. cheers, fren.
>>20796019at least it was about something man>>20795905it rings inauthentic and it's grating. Writing should be easy on the mind, and reading that style you can always tell that the writer wants to appear intelligent. It's like someone throwing stumbling blocks into your path
>>20794955I was recently reading about a comic artist (Jim Woodring) who by his own admission has a totally idiosyncratic style. I think maybe you should try to connect with the universal in yourself. Things which are meaningful to you are meaningful because they take part in the universal meaning behind the universe.
>>20795905>Isn't it possible that some people just... write like that?Its extremely inorganic. Its not believable that anyone writes in purple prose without either practiced deliberation or overwrought, anti-spontaneous mental effort.
this issue is dogshit
I finished my first short story just now. Reading it one last time and will submit for the August issue. 5500 words. I hope you like it and please look forward to the novel that follows this story
Is there a difference between emailing and the website submission form?
>>20798357>writer wants to appear intelligentGod forbid a writer allows himself to appear intelligent. It might make all the idiots feel inadequate.
All right I submitted the story. Been awake 21 hours and I'm fixing to pass out. Please enjoy.
>>20775861Submitted my Hamlet essay where I try to prove that Shakespeare was Catholic. Might send in some short story as well.
>>20788867Alright, here's all the new POV characters for Winds of Winter.
>>20799869Or you could just read Henry VI and realize within the first act that if he had any religion at all it was very much anti-Rome.
>>20799962Surface level reading. Look at the cultural context at least for a second before being so silly
from this issue I liked that apricot poem, and the dog killer was interesting. i second >>20778753 about a "best of" issue, some of these submissions are too good to be lost in the sea of shit.
>>20799969So, just so we're clear, the bishop Winchester wasn't a scheming, duplicitous man who (as was commonly viewed in England at the time) used the structures of the church for personal gain by meddling in politics?
>>20800012>Hmmm why is this catholic character protrayed in a negative light under this protestant regime where you couldn't even mention Catholic beliefs such as purgatory without being censored Wow I have no fucking idea
>>20800022Winchester was an unmitigated villain. I look forward to reading and dismantling your 101-level "essay" on why Shakespeare was very trad and super cath. The mockery it invites is going to be delicious.
>>20800047>Winchester was an unmitigated villainSo was the very obviously Protestant Claudius, retard.>very trad and super cathLol what? That's all you, I never said that.
>>20800060I said here >>20799962 that "if he had any religion at all" it was protestant. I'm not just covering my bases as an argumentative tactic. My own opinion is that the bard was irreligious — spiritual, perhaps, but irreligious. It's just like you sectarian retards to be so far up your own asses that you get caught, hook, line, and sinker, in this black-and-white us vs. them mentality.
>>20800072>It's just like you sectarian retards to be so far up your own asses that you get caught, hook, line, and sinker, in this black-and-white us vs. them mentality.What the absolute fuck are you talking about? You're making shit up about me in your head and getting angry at it you schizo.
>>20800076Oh, did I hurt your feelings? Consider not throwing stones if you live in a glass house.
>>20800085>Doesn't answer anythingBased retard.
>>20800076>What the absolute fuck are you talking about?I thought this was a rhetorical question. I don't understand why anyone could possibly get sufficiently invested in such a flimsy idea without being personally involved in the religious feud. If the primary rebuttal to Winchester being a villain is that Claudius was a villain too, it's such a spurious and specious refutation that it invites speculation. Claudius was corrupt in a personal way. He had personal failings and is nowhere near as reliant upon his interactions with protestantism as Winchester is with catholicism to express his villainy. In Winchester you see the direct meddling of Rome in domestic politics. It is the structure of the catholic church which is interfering in matters of the monarchy. He is, in this way, a direct stand-in for the papacy — and amplified when Winchester is cardinalized. Where Winchester's power and influence are directly granted by the catholic church which enables his personal power grab, Claudius is himself a king and unattached to any external (and crucially, WRT catholicism: foreign) structures of power. It is an incredible stretch to read the villainy of Claudius and see Claudius Bad = Protestants Bad in the way that Winchester can be taken as a direct representation of catholicism.
>>20800125Why would a Protestant king have any structure for power except himself? He answers to nobody but himself, there is no Pope. Claudius tries to have his cake and eat it in the confession scene; his pathetic watered down version of confession comes with himself wanting to say sorry but also keep what he has gained. Salvation through faith alone can be abused and that is seen here. You're taking all this very personally and making me out to be some trad LARPer when in essence it's just an exploration into how Catholic and Protestant beliefs are presented in Hamlet and what we can infer from that.
>>20800156Very weak argument to "prove" (>>20799869) Shakespeare was catholic. Nothing you've said even addresses the fact that there are much more concrete examples of Shakespeare himself having anti-church views. And, as I've said, I see Shakespeare as more of a secularist than anything else. That Claudius is protestant could much more realistically be incidental rather than causal. That Winchester is catholic is causal to his character. He is a villain; and his catholicism enables and is deeply intertwined with his villainy in a way that can only be read as anti-catholic.
>>20800179Religion is scattered througout the play and it plays a very obvious part. I don't see why you're trying to downplay that. Claudius praying for forgiveness and Hamlet's refusal to kill him then and there are both so protestant in nature. He confesses personally, without a priest and as we see it's a pathetic non-confession where he wants his cake and to eat it as well. Hamlet refuses to kill him because he would go straight to heaven. Hamlet is after coming back from Wittenberg and I'm sure you know what happened there.Good God the entire character of King Hamlet appears as a ghost straight from purgatory and Hamlet struggles with the nature of that for nearly 2/3rd's of the play. The Catholic vs Protestant conflict isn't even that hidden, it's quite obvious to anybody familair with the time and beliefs of both sects.
Include this image, editor.
I didn't know about providing images. Will the editor get creative?
>>20775861Is non fiction allowed?
>>20794644This reads like a bucksneed post.
>>20782500>deadlineWhen is that?
>If you’ve already submitted something for the next one, tell us about itAll right so now that I'm rested up, the story I submitted is "And Over the Town." It's a scifi story with Christian apocalyptic undertones. The story looks at Western society in the 22nd century with isolated company towns, the incorporation of Augmented Reality over VR, the Genetic and Nanomachine revolutions having taken place but before the Robotics revolution, the elite class' conflicted views on history's next step, and the apotheosis of a super-intelligence. There is a monster and pic related is part of the motif. I am drawing heavily from prophecy and taking a look at several characters with very different motivations for their beliefs. One character named Tayler does not appear in the story but he is of utmost importance in my next story. If you check the context of his description as an "augur" it tells you all you need to know about him right now.Technically the short story is the cut first chapter of the novel I'm working on. That novel sequel follows the characters after these events and explores their past before it. That story is still founded upon the scientific speculation (mostly Ray Kurzweil) but I turn even harder away from explaining the science than I do in "And Over the Town". I want something more about the characters and less about trying to survive, but "And Over the Town" has this dystopian feel that gives context to the idyllic world of the novel.I am approximately 60 days from submitting that novel to a copyeditor to prepare for publication but I expect delays to kick that well into Spring of next year.
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>>20797638GOOD IDEA THANK YOU
>>20800986>>20799957>>20799869>>20799816>>20797828>>20797022>>20797013>>20795792>>20794643>>20794617For anyone who wants to continue the discussion and critique, here’s a new thread: >>20801644>>20801644
>>20794564if you still want me to critique your shit, then repost it in the new thread and i’ll respond sometime today
thats pretty good