My new suggestion for a regular bible general - soli deo gloriaBible threads are a non-denominational general on /lit/ dedicated to the study and discussion of the Bible specifically and Christianity more broadly. While some level of inter-denominational bullying is expected, we do try to keep things generally focused on sharing the teachings of Christ, rather then attacking each other. Questions from people new to Christianity and/or Bible study are very much encouraged, no matter how basic. Fedora-Trolls are common in these threads and the best way to deal with them is to just report and ignore, rather then responding to them.Read the Bible online: https://www.biblegateway.com/Read (non-Gnostic) apocrypha online: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/apocrypha.htmlRead Gnostic apocrypha online: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlcodex.htmlBible translations commonly discussed in these threads:KJV - King James Version - The Classic Bible from 1611, still in common use today.NKJV - New King James Version - A well received conservative update to the KJV from 1982.ESV - English Standard Version - Very popular translation and basis for one of the best Study Bibles.NASB1995 - the most literal bible still in publication. don't get the 2020 updateNABRE - New American Bible Revised Edition - Popular (progressive) Catholic Bible.NIV - New International Version - One of the most popular translations but also considered progressive.last thread >>20344384remember to always present a reason for your faith WITH GENTLENESS
please dont write any posts with bad language
>>20365916Then go to >>>/his/
>>20365904Are Plantinga's books worth reading? Also what theology books would you consider to be must-reads?https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/592322.Warranted_Christian_Belief
>>20365953I'm going to say right now, reading theology is worthless if you havent at least read the NT and developed your own foundational views of what the bible teaches through that + google. that way you'll be able to laser focus on whatever you consider to be deeper issues worth warranting diving into literature over. there is so much material online through free articles and lectures, that its very difficult to recommend essential works over freer and shorter material that does an equally good job and covering most of the subject.
>>20365904>NASB1995 - the most literal bible still in publication. don't get the 2020 updateNah, the original NASB1977 is more literal and better. The 1995 sacrificed some literalness to make reading slightly smoother.
>>20366021>still in publicationthe ASV from 1901 was even more accurate than the 1977
>>20366073The 1977 is still in publication.https://www.lockman.org/nasb-1977https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find?Ntt=nasb+1977
>>20366105damn well thats good
>>20365953Plantiga is alright. Personally I find analytic philosophy offensive in it's bland pseudo-mathematical approaches to existential questions. The biggest flaw of Plantinga is that he rejects the classical theist tradition in Divine Simplicity and accepts Theistic Personalism instead, which is clearly wrong and far more vulnerable to all the classical atheistic objections against theism.Basically in that book you've posted he argues there are two objections to God. De facto objections say that God simply doesn't exist. De jure objections say that it is irrational to believe in God whether or not He exists because of a lack of verifying evidence. Plantinga argues that we can ignore the De Facto objections and focus on the De Jure question which is "Is it rational to believe in God".It's a far weaker case he's making than proving God does indeed exist, only arguing that it's rational to believe that God exists. As for theology my recommendations would be the following:Orthodox Christianity:Dogmatic Theology by Vladimir LosskyByzantine Theology by John MeyendorffCatholic Christianity:Truth is a Synthesis by Mauro GagliardiHandbook of Catholic Dogmatics by Matthias ScheebenFundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig OttSources of Catholic Dogma by DenzingerReformed Christianity:Reformed Dogmatics by Herman BavinckSystematic Theology by Charles HodgeNew Testament Theology by Thomas Schreiner
Anything other than the K J B from Church Bible Publishers is fake and gay. Even the cross references in it are better than the ones from the NASB, ESV, NKJV, NIV, or NRSV, that I personally have direct experience with. If you disagree then you disagree with the truth and must either remain in darkness or begin the coping process.Allow me to make one little demonstration. What does your personal "bible" (assuming non CBP K J B) cross reference from Matthew 2:2? If it is not Isaiah 60:3 then you have a fake and gay counterfeit copy of the Holy Scriptures and have now been revealed to walk in pathetic shame.
>>20366243>Church Bible Publishers>not Local Church Bible PublishersHave fun burning in hell.
>>20366298CPB is the bindery owner after falling out with LCBP. LCBP does not have any internal means of self production. The video that LCBP had (or still has for all I know) on YouTube showing the bindery was the facilities of what since became CPB, who asked them to remove it as it no longer reflects reality. Even further, since then CPB was sold and moved to a Baptist church in Texas so is no longer even near to LCBP. Please try to keep up, henceforth.
>>20366336Have fun burning in hell.
>>20366243>Matthew 2:2>ch. 27:11, 37; Jer. 23:5; 30:9; Zech. 9:9 m [Num. 24:17; Rev. 22:16] n See ch. 8:2>we saw his star when it rose. The wise men would likely have been familiar with OT prophecy through interaction with Jews in Babylon, and they may have remembered Balaam’s prophecy that “A star shall come out of Jacob, and a scepter shall rise out of Israel” (Num. 24:17).This was understood by Jews to point to a messianic deliverer (e.g., Dead Sea Scrolls, Damascus Document 7.18–21; Testimonia 9–13). The movement of the star (Matt. 2:9) suggests that it is not a natural phenomenon (e.g., a comet, supernova, or conjunction of planets) but was supernatural, perhaps a guiding angel that appeared as a star, or perhaps some specially created heavenly phenomenon that had the brightness of a star. have come to worship him.The wise men likely traveled with a large number of attendants and guards for the long journey, which would have taken several weeks. For example, if they had come from Babylon by the main trade route of about 800 miles (1,288 km), averaging 20 miles (32 km) per day, the trip would have taken about 40 days.
>>20366390Excellent information.>if they had come from BabylonThis is exactly my assumption, figuring them to be descendants of those whom Daniel taught.
>>20366417That was all ESVSB.
>>20366476Yes, I have one. Despite all it has, it lacks the reference to Is 60:3, which is the single most relevant verse to specifically the star, and only appears in the K J B cross references. I do not know what all non CBP editions it appears in, but they get their text from the Bible Protector Pure Cambridge Edition.
>>20366503Well, I shouldn't say they "get their text" from there, I do not know the origin of their text with the center bar references, but they have ensured that theirs conforms to the PCE. Bible Hub *does* get their K J B text from Bible Protector.
I didn't know there were jokes and shit talking in the bible
>>20366380>terrible reviewsYeah, I think Ehrman won.
>>20367032>atheist troons review bomb christian literature because daddy Dawkins told them to>looks like Ehrman won bros
>>20367122What are you, good sir? Are you a Catholic?
Because I know no one ITT has actually read Macculloch's book...
>>20367128I'm Vedic Catholic, The Indo-Aryan race are Gods chosen.
>>20367128anybody that avatar fags that fate character is a catholic for some reason
>>20365904Does anyone have the Knox bible? I'm looking into buying it
>>20367141I have it. What do you want to know about it?
>>20367186Sounds like a troll account
>>20367186I hope that this is just an FBI or CIA agent.
>>20365953>Also what theology books would you consider to be must-reads?J. Gresham Machen and Geerhardus Vos are both excellent.
>>20367032>redditor 15 year olds seethe that someone questions their historical-critical bullshit they themselves don't even understandyawn
>>20365953Francis Schaeffers Trilogy
>>20365904Whats wrong with the 2020 NASB bible?
What's schizophrenia from the point of view of Christianity ?
>>20367481Believing in superstition like magic
>>20367488I'm not schizophrenic then, even though I was diagnosed.
>>20367481Almost every single mental illness from the point of view of Orthodox Christianity is demonic influence. Some are a result of material factors, like brain damage, but if you were to say "The mental illness is caused by demons" you would be right more often than not. Intrusive thoughts, for example, are very obviously caused by demons - otherwise, people wouldn't identify them as intrusive. It's hard to tell the difference between thoughts that are your own, and thoughts that are from demons, either when you've been living a demonic life because you become conformed to a demonic ideation, or when you fall for the modern superstition that the only things that exist are chemicals, and all you are are is a loose collection of the.>>20367488If you don't believe that magic is real, you're an atheist. Magic is real, and to be avoided, precisely because it's empowered by fallen spirits.
>>20367141It's the Catholic version of the Message.
>>20367530>magic is realbased>"The mental illness is caused by demons"cringe
>>20367530>If you don't believe that magic is real, you're an atheistI believe that God is real and that magic is, at best, trickery.
>>20367773Pharaohs sorcerers turned their staves into snakes just like Moses did. It wasn't a trick.>And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
>>20367773Some magic is trickery - most is. Some magic, especially the kind recorded in scriptures, church history, and church fathers, is legitimate demonic power. At high levels of freemasonry, they openly tell you that at advanced levels of occult initiation you receive powers from demons - and the same thing is done in Tantric Buddhism, but they call them "wrathful buddhas" instead.Much of the demonic magic is in fact trickery and trickery oriented, but it's trickery facilitated by demonic power.
>>20367840What about divine magic facilitated by God, like miracle healings?
>>20367877Category error - occult magic by definition is intervention by demons and their spiritual power. Purely human magic by definition is human intervention by sleight of hand, misdirection, and psychological trickery. Miracles are intervention by God. Even if the effects can be superficially similar, their cause is different.
>>20367889>Miracles are intervention by God.So...divine magic
>>20367902>So, divine [Demonic intervention]What?>So, divine [Human manipulation]What?
Call me lacking in faith, but I can’t bring myself to buy this kind of thing not being orchestrated by priests https://youtu.be/-kBConPpAis
>>20367908Not all magic is "occult magic">occult magic by definition is intervention by demons and their spiritual power.Ok>Purely human magic by definition is human intervention by sleight of hand, misdirection, and psychological trickery.okNow you're missing the third category which is Divine Magic which is distinct from those two categories you've talked about. Divine Magic is performed by uniting the human will with the divine will. The atonement was an act of divine magic performed by uniting the human will of Jesus with the divine will of Jesus.
>>20367909My Godfather has personally seen myrrh-streaming icons being transported from Church to Church. The back seats of the cars get completely drenched in myrrh, in a completely inexplicable amount. Like, it is physically impossible to have that much oil inside of an icon, and have it gushing for that long, all the time.Will there be some false miracles/icons staged by atheist priests? Sure.But the one my Godfather saw wasn't.
>>20367920I get it. You're Tombergposting. Tomberg's categories come from trying to syncretise Hermeticism and Roman Catholicism, not from the tradition of the faith of the 1st millenium.Read the Church Fathers. Since you're reading Meditations on the Tarot, then you're up for reading heavily symbolic Fathers like St Maximus the Confessor.All of the Church Fathers are explicitly against "purely humanly willed" operative magic like what Tomberg advocates, because in the Church's understanding, those acts are never purely humanly willed, but are always assisted mechanically by demons.
>>20367935>Read the Church Fathers. Since you're reading Meditations on the Tarot, then you're up for reading heavily symbolic Fathers like St Maximus the Confessor.I've read them. Maximus is probably my favorite of the early Christian theologians.>All of the Church Fathers are explicitly against "purely humanly willed" operative magic I literally just said that divine magic is uniting the human will with the divine will, where did you pull "purely human willed" from that?>Now Peter and John went up together to the temple at the hour of prayer, the ninth hour. And a certain man lame from his mother’s womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to [a]ask alms from those who entered the temple; who, seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, asked for alms. And fixing his eyes on him, with John, Peter said, “Look at us.” So he gave them his attention, expecting to receive something from them. Then Peter said, “Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.” And he took him by the right hand and lifted him up, and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.Do you understand this? I ask you, would the man still have been healed if Peter said nothing and ignored him? The miracle is achieved because Peter willed to heal the man and God willed to heal the man THROUGH Peter.You're reverting to Calvinism by denying the place of the will of man within the divine scheme. Human will not only exists, the exercise of it is necessary to enact Gods will.
>>20367122What kind of edgy teenager atheists would read Fucking Bart Ehrman
>>20367985>I literally just said that divine magic is uniting the human will with the divine will, where did you pull "purely human willed" from that?I didn't. I was talking about Tomberg's work where he advocates purely humanly willed magic, and gives the meaning for occult symbols for operative humanly willed magic, like the pentagram.This is why I said " "purely humanly willed" operative magic like what Tomberg advocates".> The miracle is achieved because Peter willed to heal the man and God willed to heal the man THROUGH Peter.That's all well and good.>You're reverting to Calvinism by denying the place of the will of man within the divine scheme. I've never done any such thing. Don't put words into my mouth.>Human will not only exists, the exercise of it is necessary to enact Gods will.That's not quite right - the human will co-operating with the divine will is the intented mode of operation of the human will. God isn't reliant on us to do His will - we are reliant on God to do His will through us. He respects our free will to reject His will for us.
>>20368006>This is why I said " "purely humanly willed" operative magic like what Tomberg advocates".He does not do this.
>>20368024I've skimmed it again to verify - My mistake, it has been a long time since I've read Meditations.My point still remains that syncretising Hermeticism with Roman Catholicism is not Christianity. He gestures in a more correct direction than Roman Catholicism itself, but still far off aways precisely because of this syncretism, and commitment to Roman Catholicism.
>>20367481Ever watch idiocricy?
>>20365904You should've added a topic of discussion as it's usually the tradition with these threads. Helps keeping it on-topic and have something to return to when the discussion departs too much.I'd also mention the Vulgate among the Bibles listed. There are quite a few anons who can read basic Latin, and arguments about NT can resort to bringing up the Vulgate.Other than that, it'd be nice to also have a list of books/church fathers. I think all denominations agree with Augustine for example
>>20367141I used to have the Baronius Knox, but I sold it and got the original instead.
I'm too often rude to people on here. I know it's bad, but I just find it catarthic to call someone a retard instead of engaging with their unintelligent arguments. It's bad, but I keep doing it. What do I do?
I always feel like I’m letting God down. I feel like my faith is weaker than it should, and no amount of love I give can match his love for us. Has anyone written on this?
>>20368850But if you believe in the enormous love he has for us, doesn't it mean you have quite a strong faith?
>>20368820>their unintelligent arguments(You) could have your own private parade with that pride. Werk it gurl (but ywnbaw).>>20368850Just have faith that you have faith even when you don't think you have faith.
>>20368869I feel like I cannot live up to His love. If I were truly faithful, I would be able to follow Him better. Maybe my faith is stronger than I think since I know He exists, but we are given so much, and I feel like I am incapable of giving anywhere near enough in return.
>>20368879Anon, of course you aren't capable of giving anything to God which would equal what you have been given. No one is. Rather than aiming to do so, aim to do the best with what you have been given, to produce many talents from the number granted to you. The Kingdom of God is a pearl of great price, and the price of such a pearl is not a number of coins and bills, but simply all you can give.You can't reach God by piling your good works on top of themselves into a tower; you can, however, bend towards God infinitely, asymptotically, growing closer and closer for eternity. Who can say what manner of closeness with God awaits the faithful after this life has passed?
What is everyone's thoughts on section headings?
>>20368987Thank you, anon. Gives me something to think about.
>>20369016Just recently I have been thinking that I don’t like them, as it splits up artificially what was meant to be read as something continuous. It can isolate sections from a wider context.
>>20369016Good for location and relative location assistance.
>>20368878What, to be humble it means that you must reject reality and pretend unintelligent arguments are intelligent?
>>20369016Should either just be in the top margins of pages next to the book title and chapter/verse number like they used to always be in old Bibles or offset in the margins like some newer Bibles do. I've grown to dislike them in the text columns themselves for the reasons >>20369024 explained. Arguably, a similar argument can be made against chapter divisions, too, and justify a sort of "reader's" Bible that removes the chapters and verses. It would be useless for actually citing anything, but worthwhile to see the Bible books as they were written and initially read.
>>20369059>this unintelligent exegesisI hope (You) do much better than that with Bible passages.
>>20369024You must buy some weird "bibles". This is not an issue with the Church Bible Publishers K J B Pure Cambridge Edition compliant Holy Bible.
>>20369095>too proud and unintelligent to understand how true the statement is>just can't see it>thinks its unintelligent>deflect with sarcasm
>one calls self Baptist>doesn't believe in baptismReally makes you think.
>>20369301I never noticed this (low intelligence) until I watched Steven Anderson loosely "address" this problem.
>>20368110I replaced it this thread with that blurb on gentleness. I wanted to see if it would affected the quality of conversation
>>20368850literally augustine confessions
feel forsaken by God. Every day, I pray that God will have mercy on me. Though I remind myself of Romans 3:23 daily. I remember my sins, and I struggle to believe that Christ could ever forgive me. Even though I know that we are saved by our faith alone.
>>20369485what could you have done so bad? Paul murdered the elect
>>20365904Hey bros, I’m currently reading this Christian book from the 1960s that my late grandpa passed on to me and it’s really thought provoking, almost gnostic at times saying the kingdom of heaven is within and the holy spirit is in all of us and stuff. It claims all disease is caused by unhealthy thinking and that through the power of Jesus all disease can be healed. I look around at people today and they are constantly worried and anxious about things that don’t even matter, like who gives a fuck about war in other countries or what celebrities are doing or who is president? People always have their minds elsewhere, either in the past, in the future, cursing others in faraway lands, cursing their past and worrying about what hasn’t even happened yet. I believe cities with their nonstop media over saturation and advertising and radio and television have removed the spirit of man from his body completely, making them essentially walking dead. Just as a corpse in the ground decays because the spirit is absent, so does the walking corpse in his every day life slowly rot away.If people would believe in themselves, God, and actually bother to be present in the moment and in their bodies, a lot of this sickness would go away. It’s not the cities themselves per se, but the negative attitudes that a city fosters in its inhabitants 24/7. Birds live in our cities and they are happier and healthier than we are because they don’t stew in negativity all day long.
>>20369488I was sexually immoral and, I was hateful and abusive to people that especially needed kindness and generosity. And I am unable to fix what I have done.
>>20369519Why can't you help the people that needed kindness and generosity? Do they no longer need kindness?
>>20369529I don't know them anymore, as it was so long ago. I can only help those that are around me, and I've been trying to do so.
>>20369489Sounds like Christian Science.
>>20369576It’s called “Let go and let god” by Albert E CliffeIt transformed my life so fast it is actually really funny. I can’t stop smiling. I got in a huge argument with my protestant boomer parents who refuse to read it because they don’t believe me that it works. I tried telling them all their health problems are manifested by their negative thinking and they blew a gasket. They still think that Jesus isn’t back yet and they’ve got books about muh Rapture and muh Israel all over their house. The comedy of it is that I found it in my grandpas things after he passed away. I don’t think he understood it either. My parents think I am luciferian because of this book, they can’t comprehend that I smile and laugh at all the stuff they worry about and don’t give a fuck about it. Jesus is my homeboy legit, I feel like I’m in gangsta paradise while other people think the world is doomed and shit.I love my folks and I forgive them but I’m going to steer clear of them for the next little while, their mentality is completely poisonous. They are straight up boomercore I’ve invited them to the kingdom of heaven and they lash out angrily at me, said I was on drugs and delusional lol
>>20368218>he didn’t keep bothWhat if you have to lend one out?
>>20369818>polluting others by lending counterfeit "bibles"
>>20369829I want to hear Knox’s psalms, I’m borrowing it. Problem?
>>20369489>All disease is caused by unhealthy thinkingWhat about blindness, or cancer, or other afflictions caused by a material affect in the body and thus can only be cured by another material affect?>I look around at people today and they are constantly worried and anxious about things that don’t even matter, like who gives a fuck about war in other countries or what celebrities are doing or who is president? People always have their minds elsewhere, either in the past, in the future, cursing others in faraway lands, cursing their past and worrying about what hasn’t even happened yet.I agree with you on that point. In fact, I've been recently pondering what Jesus meant by "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself". Its commonly thought to mean love others and love yourself and at an equal level. However, Jesus didn't say "love all others", he specifically said "thy neighbor". Because you rub shoulders with your neighbors everyday, you actually PERCEIVE them physically, with your eyes, through conversation, etc. So you should limit your concerns to the people around you, who are important to you and who you actually have any power to help and love. You can feel sympathy for, but you cannot be devising and deliberating plans to save and help people beyond your reach in ways beyond your power. Whoever is significantly touched by certain actions you do, is your neighbor in that moment of your action. And whoever you live close to, and whoever is close to you in your life and whoever sees you as close to them in their life, is also your neighbor. I think. And these are the people you must worry about most, because they are within your scope of power to act upon your love for them.
>>20369818The Baronius Knox has typos in it, whereas the original doesn't. I wouldn't lend out a Bible with typos. That said, I do have the hardback Knox NT that you have, though mine actually had an extra signature sewn into it, so everything from 1 Peter to the end of Revelation 3 appears twice in full, before picking up where Revelation 4 was cut off and continuing to the end.
>>20369591You gotta be joking
>>20369918>an extra signature sewn into itSo does this mean there’s a Knox NT out there with 1 Pet - Rev 3 missing?I got one with nothing missing nor anything added to it.
>>20369839Yes, you need to hear God's psalms instead.
>>20370035>So does this mean there’s a Knox NT out there with 1 Pet - Rev 3 missing?Very likely. I've heard of sewn books missing sections due to missing signatures, so yeah, I guess so. Mine is from the eleventh printing, so it clearly is not a defect from a super early printing that was later corrected, like what typically happens to books that have typos in them. I'm kinda curious how the book block of mine actually fits into the binding, seeing as it has ~20 more leaves in it than it's supposed to. The binding fits and the dust jacket fits normally, though this book is obviously thicker than it's supposed to be.
>>20370045I own a Septuagint, so I do hear God's Psalms, silly.
I know it predates the bible but is the cheapest copy of The Zohar as good as the most expensive copy of it?
Another meme for debunking Sinless Perfection.
>>20370068Why are you asking about the Zohar in a Bible thread?
>>20370074I was about to put KJB. Should I stop using KJV?
>>20370074This, but unironically.
>>20370079The K J is not a "version", it is *the* Holy Bible.
>>20370060Speaking of LXX, why can't we get nice copies of the great uncial codices in English?
>>20370085No, this is.
>>20370093There is a concerted effort by Kikes to push the Septuagint for D&C purposes. No one uses it. Can you articulate the myth behind the writing of the LXX and honestly say you believe it? The myth about Ptolemy?
>>20370101>There is a concerted effort by Kikes to push the Septuagint for D&C purposes.>thinking kikes want you to read the OT the apostles and Jesus knew instead of their 10th-century invention that they themselves acknowledge was corrupted when they got itFuck off, kike.
>>20370101>Concerted effort by the Kikes to push the SeptuagintWhat? Every Jew I've spoken to about this has always tried to discredit the Septuagint to push the Masoretic, precisely because the Masoretic omits prophecies of Christ.There is no myth about the translation of the LXX - it was translated identically by 70 independent Jewish scribes, one of them being Elder Simeon, the same one who bore Christ in his arms, and said "Now let your servant depart in peace". He was translating "virgin" to "young woman" because it seemed impossible to him that this would happen, and so an angel appeared and told him that he would live to see the prophecy be fulfilled. He was hundreds of years old by the time he held Christ in his arms. This has always been the understanding of the Church.Guess what the Jews say is the accurate translation? Young woman. Not virgin.
>>20370101>gabba hookie paylay fockie wockie lowanowThe myth of how it came to be has no bearing on whether or not it is the oldest, least corrupted version of the original Hebrew Scriptures that we have. Fortunately many translations are not pure MT and have LXX derived edits in key passages.
>>20370133>every Kike I've met is Pro-KJV (Masoretic Hebrew)Wrong. Every Kike pushes Modern Perversions (Septuagint/LXX)
>>20370120>>20370142The King James is correct. The Septuagint is not the basis of the King James. You are kikes.
>>20370172The KJ B is exactly what I said, MT with LXX edits.
>>20370187The KJB translators did not use the Septuagint (aka the Greek). They used only Hebrew for the Old Testament. Only Greek for the New Testament.I should've known Kikes/Demons would flood Bible Generals to sow confusion.
>>20370168>>20370187>>20370194The KJV used the MT mixed with the Vulgate.
>>20370201No, it doesn't. King James said use the Hebrew for the OT, the Greek for the NT. Because the Roman Catholics were doing differently.
>>20370214>the Greek for the NTWhy was 1 John 5:7-8 translated from the Vulgate then?
>>20370223Stupid questions. There are 5000 Greek Manuscripts (New Testament). We are talking about the Septuagint and Masoretic (Old Testament). You are just throwing stuff at the wall to confuse lurkers. I'll pray God destroys you and your JIDF buddies.
>>20370194Kikes and demons are the ones advocating for using the version of the OT that Christ and the Apostles used? Really?
>>20370236Kikes and Demons (redundant in many cases) are anti-KJB, yes. YES.
>>20370231>no answerPar for the course. There are no Greek manuscripts of those 5000 that have the KJV's wording in those two verses before the 1500s. The Greek text that the KJV translated from back-translated those verses from Latin to Greek.
>>20370242Yes anon that's nice. The Christians in this thread would like to have a discussion now, so run along.
>>20370251No answer for a stupid question. 1 John 5:7 is in some of the 5000 Greek Manuscripts that are the basis of the KJB. You are just inundating the thread with garbage attack after garbage attack on the Word of God so it's hard to follow for any lurkers. God is not mocked. You will pay.
>>20370268>1 John 5:7 is in some of the 5000 Greek Manuscripts that are the basis of the KJB.>some1 manuscript.Produced in 1522.By order of the Vatican.Back-translated from the Vulgate to serve Catholic ends.You are defending a Catholic corruption of the text just to defend your favorite translation.
Ah, I get it. This poster is here to waste everybody's time and get attention from people. By replying you encourage his behavior. In future threads it will be wise to simply ignore him, or create a filter for the terms he most often uses. He will likely sperg extra hard here and in the near term in an attempt to prevent people from forgetting about him, but will lose interest if he never receives another reply. If you replied to him in good faith I commend your patience, but encourage you to end the conversation here.
>>20370277You got cornered on the Septuagint (Old Testament) vs the Masoretic (Old Testament) and saying stupid garbage like "The King James is based on both". So you change the topic to 1 John 5:7(New Testament). Typical Kike. Spineless, demonic.
btw the King James NT is based on the Rheims.
>the KJV New Testament is translated from the Textus Receptus>the Textus Receptus was Erasmus' Novum Instrumentum omne>"The text originated with the first printed Greek New Testament, published in 1516, a work undertaken in Basel by the Dutch Catholic scholar, priest and monk Desiderius Erasmus."KJV confirmed for Catholic. Tradcaths BTFO.
Well Lads, I’ve been putting off my salvation for far to long. Today I deleted all of the pornography on my computer. I am committed to being more Christ-like and inviting the Spirit into my life. WAGMI
>>20369489>all disease is caused by unhealthy thinkingsounds psychoanalytic, groddeck especially
>>20369489>all disease is caused by unhealthy thinkingYou've just got to go to Scientology auditing and get clear of thetans like Tom. Ever seen Tom get ill? Tom could fearlessly inhale bags of fresh COVID.
Do I have to say grace before sex?
This is so good it's unbelievable
>>20370589Yeah, N. T. Wright seems to be recommended by everyone. This book in particular.
>>20367530What's the Christian solution to getting rid of intrusive thoughts? I'm tired of getting random flashes of violence or terrible things happening
>>20370410Kek...are you serious
>>20370242This makes obvious enough sense, but you need to space out the K J B now so that one t r a n n y with the filter list has to see it.
1 John 4:20 - If someone says, “I love God,” and yet he hates his brother or sister, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother and sister whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.I want to have a stronger relationship with Christ. I hold a lot of contempt for people in general, and am repulsed by most strangers I come across. This is contradictory to my Christian beliefs. How fix? I know I am a hypocrite by proclaiming love for Christ and hate for humanity. I love my small circle of friends and family, but outside of that, I hold little love for anyone else.
>>20370791Sign of the cross
>>20371040It's all in Scripture. Things like doing for others as you would have done for you point towards cultivating awareness of seeing yourself in them, and them in yourself. Needing forgiveness yourself, but in order to be granted that undeserved mercy you must grant it to others. These things hold the keys to cultivating deeper awarenesses that help turn these things on within you. It unfolds more and more over decades, somewhat accordingly/proportionate to how you sow now and along the way. Just offer the best you can muster.
>>20371040Read Brother's Karamazov. Re-read it if you already have read it>I know I am a hypocrite by proclaiming love for Christ and hate for humanityThis is the exact same mindset Ivan had
>>20369591> delusionalyou are. you've obviously never been seriously ill or you'd know that positive thinking will do jack shit if your body is physically wrecked
does anyone have non-fiction recommendations regarding Catholicism in Japan? i am most interested in the first missionaries and the consequences of their arrival.
>>20371490Deus Destroyed: The Image of Christianity in Early Modern JapanJapan’s Encounter with Christianity: The Catholic Mission in Pre-Modern JapanThe first is better.
>>20371498One of the reviews on Amazon is from a screeching fedora about how it portrays Christianity too positively so it's probably good.
>>20370085Evangelicals accuse Caths/Orths or idolizing saints when they want to fucking bow down a lick a particular fucking bible translation.
>>20371498I found Deus Destroyed online: https://b-ok.cc/book/17021560/2952e4
>>20371490>>20371498Also The Bells of Nagasaki by Takashi Nagai. It's a very interesting book because it's ostensibly about the aftermath of the atomic bomb in Nagasaki but its style and imagery is very decidedly and actively Catholic in a way you don't associate with Japan at all.Nagai is literally a Servant of God i.e. the first step towards canonized Catholic sainthood.
>>20366243Since the ESVSB of this verse is already posted, I thought I'd share the NOA>As Gentiles, the Magi do not ask for the king of Israel, but for the king of the Jews (27.11,37). The star has been variously explained as a supernova, a comet, or a notable conjunction of the planets, but its meaning is probably symbolic; see Num 24.17.
>>20371528You either have the most correct set of words available or not.
Anglicanism had a big win this week. Australia had its first General Synod since well before Covid and the Sydney Diocese, which is the only Anglican Diocese outside of Africa to not ordain women and the only one in Australia against blessing same sex marriage (though this has only occurred twice in Australia anyway), managed to get a majority on the Committee. It appears to be looking to decentralise the national body, and since the national body is already as decentralised as it can be it looks as though it's attempting to establish full automony for each Diocese like the Church had prior to 1968.
>>20372146Surprised Anglicanism in Australia is so based considering the Uniting Church there is ultra cucked
>>20372146Also, the Synod laity and clergy voted strongly in favour of the traditional view of marriage, and it was only not passed as a national law due to a slight majority of Bishops. >>20372158Yes it's absolutely terrible, went from a top tier church in terms of attendance alongside Anglicanism and Roman Catholicism to literally smaller than Islam in a tiny span of time. The 1/3 of Presbyterians who voted against the merger with the Methodist Church that created the Uniting Church subsequently unordained women and are almost bigger than the Uniting Church now. Anglicanism has only started seriously losing members in the last 5-10 years since gay marriage has become such an issue and women priests have spread into reality rather than theory, there may still be time to save it.
>>20372146>catholics bless same-sex ‘marriage’ in Australia. Prove this.
>>20372174I was talking about the Anglican church though?
>>20372212Learn English then. Godspeed.
>>20372146Why are they lending their churches for use as federal voting stations?
Has anyone here witnessed people crashing church services?
>>20371498>>20371513>>20371623Adding to my reading list. "The Bells of Nagasaki" specifically sounds really interesting.
Is this good?
here's 4 hours of uninterrupted catholic demaskation of magicians kino content yallhttps://endtimes.video/magicians-video/https://endtimes.video/magicians-video/
>>20373734>/endtimes.video>vaticancatholic.com>CatholicThose are sedevacantists, my dude.
>>20373742you can't blame them. if I was catholic I'd probably be a sede as well
>>20373978>if I was catholic I'd probably be a sede as wellThen you wouldn't be Catholic.
>>20374094Name one thing Lefebvre was wrong about
>>20370589A scan of this author’s bio indicates that he’s in favour of the ordination of women. I don’t like to throw the baby out with the bath water but that’s a major red flag for me - does this book touch on any of that or is it safe from modern cultural Marxist garbage
>>20374278You don't know who NT Wright is?
>>20374256His claims to be Catholic after being excommunicated.
>>20374355No, hence my question
>>20372393This is extremely common and normal in many countries. Think about it: churches have a large hall which can fit heaps of booths, and every town/suburb has a church at its heart. The government pays them which helps with the upkeep.
>>20374461Excommunication means nothing when the Pope holds zero spiritual authority
>>20374094Lol you couldn’t be more wrong
Just a quick reminder that we live in the End Times and the Church is no longer the Church. The Church of the End Times is something totally different and if you are merely a pawn of Satan.
>>20370324Ayy atta boy Semen Retention is unironically our greatest power over the NPC enemies
>>20365904Are there any Bible passages that discuss the eating of poop?
>>20374577Taking money from a state sponsor of sodomy. I don’t think that’s right.
>>20374642probably the one about ezekiel bread
>>20374461You can't be excommunicated for holding to the traditional Catholic faith
Not really Bible related but also not worth creating a thread for. Does anyone know where can I get the greek version of the Sayings of the Desert Fathers?
I've been talking to my wife about Bible study with any possible kids we have. She agrees and wants to do that But, we disagree on the type of translation to useShe thinks KJV would be too complex for kids. I see her point cause the language is tougher but my Dad always read from KJV when I was a kid and I got used to it.I'll have to pray when the time comes to determine the best course of actionI guess, a question, what translation did your parents read when you were a kid? Do you use that version or something else, if different, why?
>>20374859too complicated? the kids will pick it up fast, it's not like it's a completely new language if you're english speakers
>>20374859Tell her: how could feeble-minded children procede from the womb of a genius?Jokes aside. Just give a homily thereafter. The majestic style of the language might have them take an interest in literature. I’m Catholic, but it’s just the standard set for the English language. Imagine quoting the ‘Good News Bible’.
>>20374797Wrong, he did not submit to the Pope.
>>20374860She has a harder time with it so she worries about them not getting it>>20374892Haha yeah genius statement would definitely sell herI agree that it could lead them to take a greater interest in literature I think the harder language might also make them read closer than something like the NIV. On top of that of course is the desire to continue a family tradition. I'll have to pray about it.
>>20365904OP how is your pic related? Good history of Christianity or have you not read it
>>20374859>She thinksIrrelevant. Bible study requires a Bible, not a "bible".
theres a lot of bad language in this "Christian" thread
I started going to church regularly again a few weeks ago and haven't really spent much time on 4chins since. I love all anons, even the papists, and hope you are all doing well.
>>20365916Don’t be such a fucking pussy
>>20375058I think the NIV isn't bad Jude 4 isn't bad since it literally says Christ is God. KJV while it's basically saying they're 1 and the same there's room for misinterpretation NKJV is ok tooStill prefer kjv though
>>20375143Well, I'll grant something yet different for Jude 4, that the NIV and others saying "license for" helps make that aspect a lot more understandable. Even the ESV doesn't bring the same clarity.
Hey Christchads, I have some questions about God I was hoping you could help me with here >>20375191