Say what you will about either Zizek or Peterson; you must admit the merit of introducing the zoomers to real philosophy.
>>19054660that's the worst part about them.
>>19054660Define "real philosophy"But sure, I get your point. They could be a gateway to "real" philosophy.
>>19054671As in, without them, zoomers would probably stick to shallow YouTube edutainment like Vsauce or Contrapoints.
this was a good debate because both guys have a similar ratio of good points to being completely full of shit. 4 hours of Peterson admitting he hasn't read any Marx outside of the manifesto and Zizek giving a mostly unrelated talk he would have given in any context interspersed with him calling Peterson a moron. 10/10 would watch again.
>>19054660that's like saying 'its okay to encourage children to read harry potter tier books because they atleast read something'in the words of harold bloom'let them not read mediocrity'
>>19054775He called him a moron? All I heard was a bunch of pandering from both sides the whole time>oh isn't it so wonderful that we can all come together and have a conversation, my good sir I venerate thee!
>>19054660difficult to watch with the friends laugh track in the background
>>19054660I still haven't even seen this. Triggered Anthony Fantano, I remember. Is it good? I don't know, maybe I'll just have to watch it.
>>19054899No, it wasn't good
Peterson doesn't know shit about philosophy tough.
>>19054899Worth a watch but it's not what'd you'd hope for.
>>19054660In a way, it is good because my deeply loved philosophy department is dying so we need more people to be interested in philosophy. On the other hand, I see new students choosing immature topics to research. There is a girl a few years younger than me how wants to write her thesis about harry potter.
What is Zizek contribution to philosophy that's not just memes? Quiero decir nada pero ...
Peterson literally started with Nietzsche instad of the greeks. He's peak boomer.
>>19055035Imagine your criticism of someone being that they didn't fall for a 4chan meme.
>>19055020I'm not an expert on Zizek but just off the top of my head. Reading Hegel trough Lacan. Offering an interesting reading of cartesian dualism. He also has really good criticism of the French post modernists and post modernism in generalYou also have is theological side but i don't know anything about that.He certainly is a serious philosopher unlike Peterson.
>>19055092>philosopherHas Peterson ever claimed to be as such? He's a psychologist first by amy self description I've heard.
>>19054660It's just funny how Peterson does not follow his own rules/advice.>set your house in PERFECT order before your criticize the world>got addicted to benzos and came near death>still doesn't stop him from decrying how the neo-marxist postmodernists are destroying the world>do your homework>procrastinated and crammed a pamphlet to a Marxist debate the last day
Neither of them are real philosophers or serious intellectuals.Zizek is a funny meme man promoting Marxist and globalhomo agendas.Peterson is a motivational speaker promoting liberal and globalhomo agendas.
Has Peterson read Hegel? If not then he will miss a good amount of what Zizek is saying
Jay Dyer would BTFO both of them.
>>19054660I don't know if zoomers really care or even about them thoughNone of the zoomers I've seen seem to have any care for anything resembling philosophy at all
>>19054660That's like saying Harry Potter novels are good because they got kids into reading
>>19055431Plenty of extremely online uni aged zoomers into Peterson and Zizek because of memes and youtube compilations. Peterson became a hero of the "anti SJW" Shapiro crowd. Think incels who wear ahegao shirts to school, nasal voiced debate kids and the like. Zizek appeals to undergrads and socialist larpers, which is trendy right now with young people.
Why does Ben Shapiro have such a nasally girly voice
Both Peterson and Zizek are very middlebrow and neither of them have very sophisticated arguments.Peter Sloterdijk would own both of them.
>>19055377He constantly admits that he struggles to follow them just like everyone else you stupid fucking idiot
>>19054660Never thought of it like that. That's a really good point
>>19055377The real irony is that Peterson himself is a postmodernist. He doesn't even have a solid grasp of what truth is. His definition of "truth" is just whatever is evolutionarily beneficial. He literally said "what is truth?" in a debate and dismissed any sense of metaphysical universals in favor of total pragmatism.
>>19054660I know they helped introduce me to philosophy. They should absolutely exist and are overall a good thing for society (except Zizek)
>>19055622There really is nothing redeeming about Peterson. Hes just a walking contradiction.
>>19055651Jay Dyer has made really good critiques of Jordan Peterson and classical liberalism from a traditionalist and Orthodox Christian perspective.
>>19054899How did it trigger fagtano?
>>19055676I know. I'm a big Jay fan as well.
>>19055725I want to join the Orthodox Church because I think it is the one true church, but there is no Orthodox Church anywhere near me and I live with my parents and my situation doesn't really allow me to go anywhere.I don't know what to do.
>>19054660They should have talked about Jung vs Lacan since that is where their actual knowledge intersects
>>19054660>sniffly jew>nasaly jew voiceDo people actually listen to these hacks?As a zoomer, I attribute none of my interest in philosophy to these quacks. Rather, my interest was piqued by the likes of HHH, Sadler, a handful of professors, /lit/, and, of course, the greeks.
>>19055771you have no idea how bad this sounds
>>19055795No, I understand completely.
>>19055600Maybe his entire philosophy is shit. Ever thought about that?
>>19055140He's never claimed to be a philosopher. Ever. He always introduces himself as a Clinical Psychologist (except for the time he referred to himself as an Evolutionary Biologist, which was hilarious). He has an undergraduate understanding of philosophy which he maximizes by mixing together a melange of psychopharmacology and Jungian analysis. It can be a fun synthesis, but that's about it.
>>19054899It has abysmal sound quality because the microphones are garbage and Zizek keeps snorting in mucus like he has a permanent cold as always. I've met cokeheads and amphetamine junkies who snort less than he does. I don't know how anyone can listen to this shit for more than five minutes.Along with this you have to listen to the crowd cheering everytime one of them finishes a point. They behave like they're at a boxing match or something.
>>19054899>Triggered Anthony Fantano, I rememberwho the fuck cares about that bald faggot
>>19055739are you literally me? How old are you, what is your family like and what is your education?
>>19056349Peterson wouldn't want to hurt you (or anybody else for that matter), you know.
>>19056362Then why is he so explicitly anti-white
>>19054691>zoomers would probably stick to shallow YouTube edutainment like Vsauce or Contrapoints.implying these two hack frauds didn't drive the zoomers into these hackier frauds
Peterson pushing far right "cultural marxism" conspiracies is one of his biggest pitfalls. He unwittingly is doing work for fascists with that rhetoric.
>>19054691contrapoints actually knows philosophy, unlike peterson
>>19054825bloom sucks, you need to read virtue ethics
>>19055016yes i'm very sure you are a professor and not some channer trying to guess what philosophy undergrads are like
>>19056707Knows philosophy? Contra couldn't even comprehend Blanchard's (accurate) Typology and deflected with anecdotes. A degree is meaningless without the ability to process new information.
>>19054660that debate wasnt philosophy. that was two shitthrowers throwing shit over each others heads intentionally so that neither would be able to answer a question due to lack of scholarly knowledge in the other's field.It was pure obfuscationism and beating around the bush.
>>19056092Nietzsche failed to follow his own philosophy, ever thought about that? I don’t care for Peterstein in the slightest, but your argument is a meme
Peterson is a psychologist. Zizek is a philosopher. The debate only happened because the internet memers wanted to see it and they knew they could make money off of it
>>19056739knows philosophy =/= is an expert on every philosophy topic she ever talks about. she did graduate study on kant's aesthetics and has never erred on that as far as i know. she tends to just get continental philosophy wrong
>>19056762>she tends to just get continental philosophy wrongalso, sometimes she doesn't even get it wrong when r/badphilosophy grad student types think she does. she is just trying to explain philosophy to laymen which is pretty difficult without butchering the ideas
>>19056698gaslighting faggotI don't even like Peterstein but cultural Marxism is real.
>>19056800>>19056784Cultural Marxism is an anti semitic conspiracy theory that originated with the Nazis "cultural bolshevism" concept
>>19056800where are the marxists?
>>19056762>>19056775Its a man not a woman.
>>19056811>this nigga hasn’t read Gramsci
>>19056836Neither has Peterson or the rightoids that go on about "cultural Marxism"
>>19056841Meh, doesn’t matter if they have or not, the ideas of Debord, Gramsci, Spectres of Marx are basically the Marxist scare in a nutshell
>>19056827nah she's a woman, see here: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-trans/
>>19056861>this Stanford article proves male socialisation is a mythHow about no
>>19056861It's amazing that people allowed this, even as a qualification. Everything about American culture is dying. I just want some to jack me into a Matrix-esque program pre-2010.
>>19056811But it's true."Conspiracy theory" was coined by the CIA to discredit anyone who disagrees with the established narrative.
>>19056811And? You haven't shown why it's wrong.
Frankfurt School = cultural Marxism
>>19056422Because he is a boomer liberal
>>19054660>introducing the zoomers to real philosophy>meritpick one, lmao
>>19054660>Nietzsche>Marx>Real Philosophy anon…
>>19056750That's because you're a retard and lack understanding. Jordan Peterson is conceding to the counter argument with his actions. Zizek pointed this out in their debate. Peterson realizes it's not enough to just tell others to clean their room. He feels compelled to go out there and talk about these societal ills that exist in the world cause there are larger forces at play here the individual alone can not surmount.. Yet he decries when other people do the same thing. It's a clear contradiction.
>>19054660Did they? Most grifters put themselves up as the only answer and don't encourage critical thinking.