Any progress on your novels?Previous thread:>>18410006For Prose:>The Art of Fiction>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)>On Becoming A Novelist>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft>How Fiction Works>The Rhetoric of Fiction>Steering the Craft>On Writing, BorgesFor Poetry:>The Poetry Home Repair Manual>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry>This Craft of Verse, BorgesRelated Material:>What Editors Do>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar>Garner's Modern English UsageSuggested books on storytelling:>The Weekend Novelist>Aristotle's Poetics>Hero With a Thousand Faces>Romance the BeatSuggested books on getting your fucking work done you lazy piece of shit:>Deep Work>Atomic HabitsTraditional publishing> Formatting manuscripthttps://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/> Write a queryhttps://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/> Track your queryhttps://querytracker.net/Other Resources>General grammar/syntax/editing helphttps://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html> When/where/how should I write?https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers> What software should I write with?https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP moniehttps://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650> Be like Charles Dickens and write seriallyhttps://www.royalroad.com/> Basic overview of the Screenplay formathttps://screenwriting.info/
Reminder that "anime writing" is not the following:>giant robots>big titty bitches>stylized superpowersIt is the following:>writing your story to fit a 12 episode season or manga arc instead of a word count expected of your genre>wishing you were actually making an anime/manga (which you don't have the skill or resources for, which is why you opted for writing as an "easy alternative")>not reading professional works from your genre, and only watching anime or reading amateur works/translationsI suffered from this in the past and have recovered from it. I have probably seen more anime than you, and it's still my primary form of entertainment, but now I only want to write a novel that works as a novel. And my writing has benefited from that.
>>18422374decreasingly cringe as I continue to read it, but, still cringe
Question:What does /lit/ think of postpositive adjectives in writing?
>>18422459A slippery slope to purple prose, overused by hacks who think they are great authors. Avoid if possible.
>>18422459I use them when it makes sense to, but I don't actively insert them into the texts I do. They're okay I guess.
>>18422490>>18422492What, in your opinion separates good/appropriate usage from bad/pretentious?
>>18422459ask "is it important"
>>18422504It's usually not needed. If you can write it any other way, you should write it any other way. If you are using more than one postpotitive adjective per three paragraphs, you are pushing it. Even then, I feel it should be used for emphasis only. Don't use it just to try to sound smart or to mimic some writer from 50+ years ago.
>>18422459I don't care honestly. I just write.
>>18422529Would you avoid overusing it even if it sounds better rhythmically?
>>18422539IMHO, rhythm is for poems and lyrics. If you are not writing those, then worrying about rhythm is pretentious at best. Worry about getting the point across. Pacing and clarity are far more important than rhythm for most writing.
I've learned some black slanghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf7_KgNtoDY> Get your ass in the god damn house before I beat your ass> Stop all that crying before I give you something to cry aboutHere's some black poetry> What, the ways on swim> so don't hate on him
>>18422459If used well, no problem
Feels great finishing a chapter before deadline. We will make it bros.
Can't you just fuck off to discord with your anime tranny circlejerk?
>>18422972we will all make it!
>>18422323Good books on writing that aren't from English authors?I'm racist
>>18423152From what i’ve seen, the threads without the animeposters seem to die since the more reasonable people on here have other things to do and seldom need to post unless someone actually manages to start an mildly interesting discussion. So i’m starting to think the anime...people are sort of the necessary mass that is needed for the threads to survive. Kind of like NPC’s or whatever point dostoyevsky was making about a necessary mass of people to uphold the numbers of humanity whereas only a few actually contribute to the further improvement of society. Something like that, it’s been too long since i read that i must admit.
>>18423262>Kind of like NPC’s or whatever point dostoyevsky was making about a necessary mass of people to uphold the numbers of humanity whereas only a few actually contribute to the further improvement of society.i am curious, do you think that you aren't an npc and contribute to the further improvement of society?
“Heyyy, baby. This your toy?” she asked.Thomas nodded.“What’s your name?”“Thomas.”She walked closer to him, knelt down to his eye level, and held out the toy hoop.“What’s good with you, Thomas? You think you can learn me how to play with this?”A few purple sparkles gathered around Thomas’s feet. He gently pushed the edges of the hoop together, released it, pushed it, released it, pulsing.“Yes, miss, it’s called hoop trundling. It’s very easy. Watch.”Thomas placed his hoop upright on the ground and rolled it forward with his stick. But unlike all the other times he played hoop trundle, it seemed to roll of its own accord, into the tall grass, and then into the wooded area. On the trail behind it was a faint path of purple sparkles.“Oh no! I lost it again!”“Mhm, if you lose your hoop, you gonna have to buy your momma a new one. We better go in and get it.”Thomas looked at his feet.“It’s too dark to see anything,” he sighed. “I’ll go home now and look for it tomorrow.”The woman’s nostrils flared, and her eyes flashed.“Get your ass in the forest before I beat your ass,” she said.He stepped back in fright, but as soon as the look of anger appeared on the woman’s face, it disappeared. The purple sparkles gathered more densely around him now. He felt unsteady and light.“I’m just chilling, just chilling,” she said, her face pleasant again.She took the child’s hand in hers and led him toward the tall grass.“I suppose you could help me find the hoop," Thomas said. "And if you explain to Mum why I’m late, she won’t get mad at me.”“I hear that. Word.”Thomas didn’t quite understand the woman’s words, but he felt drawn to her all the same. The two walked together, his small hand clasped in hers. Her long fingernails felt scraggly against his skin.“Wait, miss, I don’t know your name.”She looked down at him and smiled. His vision was clouded more and more by the purple lights, but he could still see her bright smile. Her teeth were long and sharp.“My name is Lupita.”
>>18423296It was a reference to the statement in the book, as in that the function of animeposters to these threads is the same as those of the general mass in real life. It was an analogy, so i’ll first answer what i think my function in these threads is compared to the animeposters’: Yes. My posts contribute with more than whatever most animeposters do. To answer your question: i believe the thought isn’t as applicable to society as as it is to these threads. In other words, i can’t evaluate my function in society since i don’t have the same kind of overview as i have of these threads.
>>18423322Little red riding hood but gender bent?May I ask why
>>18423378This is Blackula. He’s been away for a while but it seems he has returned.
>>18423322Boring and artless prose, cringe dialogue. 4/10
>>18423382Yes, final exams took up much of my time in May. I didn't think anyone would remember me, but it looks like the gang's all here
>>18423401Of course we remember count Blackula! Hope your exams went well.
>>18423420Yes, I passed everything! I had a minor panic attack at the beginning of May when I took a practice exam and failed the finance portion. The last month was a massive cram session.On the thread I was on before I disappeared, someone had a theory that only anime people bothered writing, everyone else was a pseud. Then they called Blackula anime for some reason.>>18422374it looks like people are still arguing over whether a writing is anime or not>>18423378It's Lucy from Dracula, but she's black and called Lupita.>>18423400ouch. I'm making progress though. Now there is prose. Last chapter, my writing was all dialogue
>>18422360Thank you but at the same time fuck you because I just wanted to give up on this. With these suggestions I can actually see where this might go which commits me to it all over again.
>>18423453Good job on the exams and the prose! Remember - as long as you keep working at it you’re still on your way to gmi.
>>18423463Just to add (mostly for my own benefit) a little more, I think my problem was that I had lost the narrative voice. This was actually super helpful in finding it again. I'd gotten lost in just creating the most ostentatious prose I could literally imagine, and that got tiring quick. Even after implementing some of these suggestions (and more along those lines) I can see that the narrative voice I originally envisioned is in precisely zero danger of becoming lost. Cheers, chucks, fucks, and sucks.
Boys, what do you think of my short story? It's the first draft so give me all you got so I can improve it, suggestions to change the theme and setting are also welcome.https://pastebin.com/v02NxiwG
>>18422374>wishing you were actually making an anime/manga (which you don't have the skill or resources for, which is why you opted for writing as an "easy alternative")this one hurts
I'm going to omit quotation marks and nobody can stop me because this isnt my day job.
>>18424235>https://pastebin.com/v02NxiwGI can't tell you how often I read a story that has started with a description of the main character waking up in and going through their morning routine. You can skip all that, the reader knows your character will have had to have woken up that morning.
Is there any way to reword this in a way that does not use any personal pronouns at all? Been scratching my head over this. "If I don't run away/escape now, then what am I waiting for?"Reason is, I'm translating something and the character who muses this uses "non-standard" pronouns (yeah yeah i know, but I'm not the author here), so I have to really tiptoe and try to be as accurate as I can whenever pronouns are involved. So while that's what I'd write for any other character, it doesn't apply in this case. Context is said character being held in a cell which has just been unlocked, it's an internal thought and basically a rhetorical question before they make a dash for it. Can't think of a way to phrase it and keep it as a question without using pronouns.
>>18424584Yeah I just don't know how to exactly express the lack of self-care and order in my character in a short form
>>18422323I wonder what you faggots are gonna use as pictures after everybody from whorelive graduates.
>>18424677If you want to specifically avoid the "I" you could make it a second person question directed to themselves so it's "you" instead. Otherwise I guess it could be rephrased a little to something like "If now isn't the time to run away, when will be"
>>18424677>if not now, when
>>18424728>>18424729kek can't believe the answer was the cliche phrase all along, thanks guys. guess I was overthinking it.
>>18424707Convey it as she's walking to or entering the guild. We don't need to be there to relate to it."She yawned, having slept through the last several days. She combed through her quickly washed hair (for she was rather lazy with baths) and entered the adventurer's guild, hoping that today's job board held some worthwhile prospects."
How do I give myself the permission to just write shit? I can't write even simple things without taking the time to brainstorm some clever, unusual way to say the same thing. It's driving me insane
>>18425311Write smut. Smut is carefree. You'll see.
>>18425311Gotta embrace the idea that there will be many drafts in which you can punch up material so long as you actually get the first one done
How do I not curl up like a little bitch and have my heart shattered into pieces when a beta reader makes a snarky comment about an element of my story? They don't even hate it, they're only pointing out a problem, sometimes only a potential one, and yet I crumple regardless. I feel bad for them but why can't they be nicer to me?
>>18425501I keep a little text file with any praise my writing has gotten in the past and peruse that whenever I feel down. Also a similar scrapbook of snippets of prose from my favorite books. At the end of the day, it's only writing. No need to take it so personally.
>>18425311Yeah I'm the same. Even when I force myself to >just writeI still have the autistic need to completety rehaul the shit I just put on paper until I can bring myself to work on any further material.
To that anon writing the urban/fantasy/noir/whatever you want to call it, I'm sorry I missed your questions in the last thread. Hope you see these.>Spreadsheets are boringIt's not just that spreadsheets are boring, it's that your description of her work is a bit too vague. All we see Amber doing is looking over some sheets and trying to balance a budget. If we knew a bit more about what nefarious things were behind her work it would be more interesting.>With this stuff in mind, does it make more sense or should I still tone it down more?I think you should establish the setting earlier on. I know what kind of art deco buildings you're talking about, but I didn't picture her in one when you first talked about her working at an office.>It must have been a good twenty minutes before the final party showed up. He was not quite as tall as the Boss, but he had the same jawline. The same sloping shoulders and catlike demeanor. The same skin tone, complete with a variety of tattoos peaking out from his collar line. This is where the comparisons stopped. His jeans and t-shirt were dirty and worn. I hoped that the red flecks along his arm and shirt were tomato sauce, but the bloodied blackjack in his hand said otherwise. His sneakers were scuffed and splattered with filth. Greasy blonde hair fell ragged around his shoulders. He seemed to be in his mid 20's.This section is alright, but I think you should work on sentence flow. Your sentences are a bit too short, and so many begin the same way. It would probably help to combine some of them.Besides that, I think it's overall an improvement with the exception of the tomato sauce reference which felt a little silly to me.Hope this helps bro.
>>18425796Dangit, forgot to include a link to the original comment.>>18422196
>>18425501You laugh and say: Yes, that part really is crap.
>>18425850But then they got offended at me because they liked it.
>>18425311>>18425739This is actually just a difference in process. Plenty of great authors work this way. The key is to create some kind of positive feedback loop. E.g Hemingway would stop right at the moment where he knew exactly what to write next. Then the next writing session he would begin by editing what he had written in the previous session with a smooth transition to new material. Authors who are especially attuned to the rhythm of prose, whether out of natural bent or because the work demands it, tend to re-read and edit what they've written whenever they get stuck, as a way to find that rhythm when they lose it.Some writers are graphomaniacs and can write pages and pages with minimal effort. "Just write" works for them. Others must squeeze blood from a stone. The latter group would probably benefit more from some kind of loose, low stakes outlining or brainstorming procedure (using index cards, lists, mind mapping, Q/A, or whatever) which helps them see the story in their heads without actually putting it into words. This avoids the frustration that often becomes a negative feedback loop that forces you to drop the project before you finish.
I successfully completed chapter 19/42 today.
>found the writing from high schooldoes the pain ever stop?
Do any of you enjoy writing? All my life I've had adults tell me my writing is very good but I've never enjoyed it, it's always been in the context of school and it's always a painful process. As soon as I could get away with it I would get high and/or drunk as hell before and during any essay.
>>18425890I still have some stuff saved from middle-school. I like it, it's just as funny to me now as it was then.>>18425902I love it.
>>18425902I hate writing. I hate being forced to expose something so emotional to people who aren’t myself.I hate trying to articulate my deepest beliefs at the risk of people subverting me and accusing me. I hate having to take hours upon hours perfecting my work in exchange for “Good job!” and nothing more.But what the fuck else am I going to do with my meek life?
>>18425853I don't get what your saying. I thought this was about your beta readers disliking parts of your story and you getting really butthurt about it. Why are they suddenly offended?
>>18426009It sounds like you're a bit of a narcissist tbqh
Any writing options similar to Readict that aren't for single minority women pretending they're not zoophiles?
>>18424235Heck, actually good prose on 4chan? Whaaa-? I like what you’re doing here. To add to other anons’ views - too many commas and incorrect use of commas. Your scene-building is good, well-paced. It’s somewhat “too much detail” at times but thats fine. It’s a style and it somewhat works. Other anons say this scene is unnecessary. Whilst to some extent I agree, that doesn’t mean that writing it was a waste, nor that it should be cut fully. You’ll probably write many scenes that’ll be heavily amended in the final version. That isn’t bad, it’s part of sculpting. If this scene gives you a better picture of who the character is, and writing it helped you nail down their personality, then it’s time well-spent. Good work anon.
>>18426009It can be a thankless world and I can sympathize, anon. Shit’s wack. I’m glad you have a love of the craft. Persistence is vital and hell, sooner or later someone by sheer weight of collated content should hopefully appreciate your work. Short works dumped and produced freely with volume is quality in of itself from my experience. Perfectionism when writing can be stunting and publishers etc would probably rather see persistence in a portfolio than a singular ultra-polished piece. Best of luck anon.
>>18425881How tf do you know there has to be 42.
>>18426270>he does not plan number of chapters ahead of time
>>18426009> But what the fuck else am I going to do with my meek life?May I suggest getting a gf
>>18426298>His writing is a robotic mess of planned events in a planned sequence with planned word choicesI sure hope you guys don't do this
>>18426310>his writing is a tight, satisfying story with a recognizable and understandable structure because he made a plan and executed itlook i am not saying you cant freeball, and make changes, but generally it is not a bad thing to know where you want to finish and how you want to get there.
>>18426325The best literature is written in one sitting with no editing whatsoever. It is objectively the most genuine and is the closest to actual human storytelling, which literature tries to emulate. Just as the best rap is freestyle and the best jazz is improvised, literature is best written in a stream of consciousness.
>>18426352Rap and jazz? Hmmmmmmmm I wonder what he meant by that
>>18426352>actual human storytellingaren't myths and legends all about constant editing and changes by people?
>>18425875>Then the next writing session he would begin by editing what he had written in the previous session with a smooth transition to new materialThat's basically my process. But, for example, in the first draft, I might write like,>OP is a faggot.Then, when editing, I feel compelled to change it to something like >OP's parents were certain their son was batting for the home team.NO, it was just fine the first time. There was no need to change it! I wasted a full minute on a single sentence in an effort to look witty. Should keep it simple.
a nigger made it why did germany let him in
>>18425320100% Wrong.I am a smut writer and I had a mental breakdown for years.
I can only write nonsense. But I want to write epic space operas. Ahhh(Translated)It took me a few minutes before I found the entrance to the strange house. It was hidden behind a leafless thorn bush. A bird had built its nest there and left it empty. I carefully parted the dangerous branches with both hands and saw a kind of front door, nailed shut with rotten boards. After a few strong kicks, I squeezed through the uncovered hole and stood in the spacious entrance hall. Straight ahead, a staircase led upward, made a bend to the left halfway up, and was no further to be seen. To the left and right of the stairs were wide wall surfaces, hung with large paintings. In front of them, on the marble tiles, were tubs of tin with dried plants and umbrellas. I took a look at the paintings. They were oil paintings of naval battles, quite old, I suppose, Dutch perhaps. The fire of the guns was tremendously red and yellow and the clouds and the blue sky as clear as glass or a summers day in the green. For defensive purposes I took an umbrella and returned to my initial position, artistically satisfied and well-armed.Apart from the staircase and the painting walls, I could make out, in the room to my left, something resembling the furniture of a dining room. In the room to my right, I recognized the tip of a Persian rug and concluded that it must be a study and reading room.
>>18426629Yeah, but in real time, and not some flamboyant french man labouring over vowels.
>>18424707Also cut the sun shit entirely. Three whole sentences describing the sun and light is overkill. Doing it at the start of the story made me stop reading immediately. You need to build up some goodwill before you start jerking off all over my face. I'm just gonna punch you in the balls.
>>18424584Can I have that description happen later in the story?
>>18422459You should write in whatever way you communicate your idea most effectively first and foremost, then consider whether or not it's interesting to read.Reading is like music - people like consistent variation within certain bounds. If you write the same sentence structure over and over again, that isn't any different than playing the same 3 notes over and over again. You should vary structure *with intent* so that the reader is not getting bored. Just consider>The fast dog leapt the deep gorge. An elegant, swift bird watched as it flew overhead.vs>The fast dog leapt the deep gorge. A bird, elegant and swift, watched as it flew over head.The second sentence is more interesting to read compared to the first because of the variation in structure. That being said, it's easy to see how the change in syntax starts to affect the topical meaning of the sentence because now it's not as immediately obvious what those adjectives are modifying. Is it the bird, or are they acting as adverbs now?You want to weigh all of these things when you consider how you write.This is why editors are also important.
>>18424584I'm going to write a story that starts with my main character waking up in the morning and remembering she doesn't have any limbs anymore, that all she went to sleep with was one dull arm while her limbs all recharged overnight. Her body is a wreck and all she can do is put on some pants, a long sleeve shirt, and try to smile and you can't stop me!
>>18426764omg the whites accepted him, he is so lucky, white people think he is talented, truly blessed are the ones who whites see as one of their own, all hail white people, maybe he'll even get the holy grail of a white girlfriend
To the anon whose story was deleted by a butthurt janny: I read the story about roided Thomas the Tank Engine and I thought it was funny, vivid, and entertaining, 11/10
I want to write a homage to science. Are there any books that do the same?
>>18427609I think you should start with reading as much on Sir Francis Bacon as you can find. And then perhaps on the peer review process.
How do you guys write for hours? My brain burns out too fast.
>>18427915I don't. I write on and off through a long period though because of the two-monitor setup and the inevitable procrastination that comes with it.
>>18427915Depends on what part of my brain needs to be engaged. If I'm just churning shit out and know I'll fix it later, I can go for 2 to 3 hours pretty easily. If I am pushing myself to write to a high standard, it's pretty arduous. I could probably do line editing all day if I had a few beers and good music.
>>18427915I just put on music while writing nonfiction. Fiction at most 30 mins of writing.
>>18427915I don't think it's possible to write for hours on end unless you're on ritalin or alderal. Most people do repetitions of 15-30 minutes + 5 minute break, or some variation on that format
>>18427892I mean a homage about the beauty and power of science. Not a technical book about the scientific method.
>>18428154>I want to write about the beauty of this thing I don't understandI bet you wrote sex scenes as a virgin too
>>18422323>For Poetry:versechads is there any software that doesn't completely suck for writing poetry?
I'm trying to create a writing schedule. My plan is to write a chapter at a time and draft intially by hand. Then, once the chapter is complete, type up the second draft of the completed chapter on my laptop before moving onto the next part of the novel. My question is, how much does your word count increase by going into the second draft? I'm planning to write 2k for each chapter during the first draft, but I'm not sure how long they second draft will end up being. It's only an issue because I'm trying to create a schedule along with self-imposed deadlines as not to fall behind. I'm just not sure what to expect in terms of time and word count.
>>18428845I don't really have second drafts. Though I did revise several year old-published chapters and gave them a little touch-up to be more in in-line with my modern standards. They're practically the same but reformatted properly, with 1 sentence paragraphs addressed, and proper dialogue tags. That was done this Sunday and Monday, and I suspect there were, in culmination, nearly 900 new or revised words across 7 chapters.
>>18428913>I don't really have second draftsIn the past I haven't used them either, only making minor revisions after finishing a work. However, I've discovered that writing by hand makes it much easier for me to get ideas out and I can sit at my desk and write for much longer than I can stay focused in front of a screen. Yet, pen and paper is terrible for editing on the go compared to a digital document, so a second draft is necceasry. I'm also finishing two novels in the next twelve months and am finding it hard to decide which to write at any given time, hence the schedule. I definetly have a perference as to which one I want to work on more, but if I do one at a time I'm afriad I'll finish a work then start on something new, rather than go back to my other ideas.
>>18428845It really depends on how your first draft looks. When I’m working on the second draft I’m usually adding/reworking plot points and scenes, fleshing out better descriptions and changing dialogue since I’ll have better understanding of the characters at that point. I’ve had chapters easily double in word count but that’s because my first drafts are pretty bare.
Another day, another page done. Tonight I have to study anatomy to figure out where the body aches as you get into the 40s and 50s. Oh boy fun fun!I also may summon the Globglogabgalab depending on my mood.
Are you going to make fun of me for writing genre fiction?
>>18429444I'm serial writing a weeb space opera, I literally do not give a shit. Now if it was some pokemon gacha isekai you're writing, then yes, I would absolutely make fun of you with a smug anime girl reaction pic.
>>18429618Slow boards make me anxious. Also I dont want to be identified by lurkers, so I thought posting my art may have been a mistake in hindsight.
>>18429733I hate to be that guy but you can go to archived.moe to find old post. A lot of people like to archive things.I wouldn't worry about it though. It was good art! It'll be okay.Half the fun of using slow boards is you get a lot of familiar (yet anonymous) faces coming through. The dangerous people who like reading.
>>18426270Because of my outline, silly.
How do I get myself to write something other than my dream story? How do I bring myself to just pump something else out knowing it's not great and far from what I actually want to do?
>>18429844Young Aughra looks like that?
>>18430112I dunno prolly
>>18425804Don't listen to the tomato comment. I liked it. The sentences do start the same but it's just a matter of being conscious.
>>18430112You're mine :3. Do it again tomorrow :D and have a good night
>>18427087what? no it's fucking not. infinitely prefer the first sentence to the second. fuck this whole board. stupid advice. Christ. I'm starting to believe this is like a psyop trying to ruin other people's writing. fuck you
>>18427087>>18430218second sentence is def better
>>18427915Brain can be trained like any other body part
>>18429347Anime bumper. NPC induced cpr. Thank you for keeping the thread alive so that others can make interesting posts in it.
>>18430577>>18429347Kill yourself samefagging anime tranny.
>>18423262>the threads without the animeposters seem to die Because the animeposters drove away all the sane people. Of course there's no conversation when they shut up, since they're alone now.
Kinda nice that writing generals are one of the fastest threads
>>18430810Of course they're fast, it's all shitposting about why anime is bad
>>18422323Is it bad to use a lot of semicolons in your prose? I used to use a lot of comma splices in my prose due to my shitty schools that didn't correct us for it, so now that I know the sin of that, I've switched to using semicolons in place of those commas...but there's so many in my prose. Usually 7-10 per a page minimum; which is apparently a writing sin to most of the writing community. Must I stop? I don't like using periods unless it's to end a complete thought; the fullstop of it really fucks with the flow I have going on in my head; which is why I vastly prefer abusing commas (or semicolons now in this case)
>>18430981If you use them correctly, there can be no argument against using them.
>>18422323How do I do worldbuilding and writing history for my world? This is what I made so far. It's squad tactics for my government sanctioned monster killers
>>18431227If you're asking, I doubt you have the breadth of knowledge required to actually build a fresh world, so just choose a real world country situation from the past and change the names a bit
>>18430779So just thank them for keeping the thread alive any time they post and ignore whatever idiotic text that is attatched to their as always unrelated and generic image. Eventually they’ll understand.
>>18430981I think every semicolon in that text would do better as a comma.
>>18431654cont.Except for this one:>complete thought; the full stop...
>>18431654agree>>18431667id change this to a period thoughI used to abuse the semicolon but theres really no need in most instances
>>18422323Why does anime bring such negative connotations here? We're literally on an anime imageboard
>>18431738anime is a domain of the low iq, and when you want to be a writer you try to avoid things associated with low iq
>>18431738>that filenameanon what the fuck did you download?
>Start new short story>Plan for it to be around the 4k word mark so I can submit to journals>At 10k and only about a quarter of the way throughOn the one hand it's a terrific feeling, on the other I don't want to try inflate it to a novel and end up in novella no man's land. Can't decide whether to cut in by half and keep it a concise short story or run with it and see if I can hit the 70k+ novel qualifier.
>>18423322Please tell me this isn't a sincere attempt
>>18430981There are specific rules to using semicolons, if your work is peppered with them you likely aren't abiding by those rules and it comes off as pretentious
>>18431784Is 10k unpublishable?I've got a short story thats at 11.5 right now. It probably can't get past the gatekeepers anyways because it's a legitimate damsel in distress saved by a knight
>>18431799I've had three short stories published, all three have been between 2k and 4k words. Different journals vary with their word counts but generally speaking you want to end up between 2k and 7.5k words, and less is flash and any more is too long for them to seriously consider.
>>18431227I don't agree with >>18431452 that you should just copy another world, but you should research real countries to give you an idea of how to go about it.
>>18422323Hows your writing going OP?
>>18431738See >>18422374Anime influencing your writing is not bad (and is actually good, since it provides an outside perspective other than the western genre fiction circlejerk). People who are excused of writing anime don't want to be novelists. They write their stories wishing they were making an anime, and it always shows when you read it. Imagine if you were a film director who doesn't like watching films.
How do you read literary journals? Do you buy them one by one or do you go specifically to academic libraries?
>>18422374>>not reading professional works from your genre, and only watching anime or reading amateur works/translationsWhat cyberpunk has been published in the last decade? It's like William Gibson and PK Dick started it, handed it off to Akira and Ghost in the Shell, and then anime never gave it backWhy does every science fiction author want to write about newtonian rockets exploring the solar system instead of artificial intelligences and virtual reality?
>>18422374Alright, so post a example of your writing.
>>18422323I'm writing a scifi/fantasy story set in a ww1 style war. The characters are highly religious Huntresses/paladins who protect humans from monsters. They have a religion/church of Huntresses that sees monsters as unpure and an insult to their godIs there anything I should know?
>>18432701Yes. Women are physically frail and unfit for such things.
>>18432692How? All my writing is traditionally published. I'm not doxing myself.
>>18432764basically this. since its scifi fantasy you can add magic into the mix and have women act as priestesses or something as part of the unit, but huntresses would be unrealistic. I know you're thinking women can use bows, but longbows, for instance, take a lot of strength to use. crossbows, on the other hand, would actually be reasonable. a woman would do better wielding a spear than a one handed weapon, as well, due to strength considerations.
>>18432701>They have a religion/church of Huntresses that sees monsters as unpure and an insult to their godDo you really need a heavenly justification to kill monsters? Is the twist that monsters were people all along?
>>18432974its because without institutions regulating peoples behavior degenerates might start to treat the monsters as people and breed with them
>>18432692>Pseud>Ever posting an example of their work.Just ignore the pseuds, they don't contribute nothing to /wg/, they shit up the thread constantly, and god forbids if an animefag or a self-publish anon post examples of their successes, because they will use that as an excuse to derail the thread with their tantrum.
>>18432881ah yes, you see, he cannot possibly show us a writing example. Every single thing he's ever written has been traditionally published. Even his first drafts are traditionally published. The moment he types anything into the computer, it's traditionally published
>>18433652Oh shut the fuck up
>>18433652Imagine thinking that what was said in that post is "pseud." Literally just someone saying that writers should be into novels.
>>18433672The bait is getting a bit stale, wished they change it up a bit. It's always something like this>yeah there exist good stories here>what are they?>I CAN’T TELL YOUUUUUor>I'm a better writer than everyone here>Post your work>I'm traditionally published
>>18433652>>18433672>>18433717How about you post yours? If he's not gonna, why don't you?>inb4 you say "b-but the burden of proof lies on him"Nah, your shit is just too embarrassing and you know it'll discredit you, probably one of the RR shills.
>>18433736I've never actually seen pseudposter give his own work when he calls someone a pseud.
>>18433768Isn't it because they actually post their work before some pseuds shits on it, and demands the pseud to post their own work, before that pseud makes countless excuses like "I'm aiming for traditionally published" or, better yet "Someone could steal my work"
After the owner of the room, the principal, had served me his long-winded speech about the importance of regular school attendance, I removed myself from his office, backwards and bowing repeatedly. I took a crumpled cigarette out of my ass pocket and went about my way. Outside the school, the weather was pleasantly frosty. Rain splattered from old rust-crusted tin watering cans. Lady Sunshine was dressed in a dark, cloudy fur coat, that old wench. Umbrella-less as I was, the rain soon had me soaked to the bone. And since t couldn't be helped, I made the best of it, lit another cigarette, gave my face a grim expression, hunched over a bit (in a cool way), and flapped my arms casually like a French hoodlum.
>>18433782Post your story
>Improvize a story>Eventually the side characters grow and now I want to rewrite the early chapters to foreshadow them and add a couple of scenes later
>>18433797Here you go, anon, a animefag posting his work on /wg/, a common occurence, but you will never see a pseud do this since they don't write.
>>18433816That characters change and change the story. Now my distant role model character is duty bound to get his hands dirty in secret, introvert tries to romance but comes over as trying to boost career of someone's name, extrovert that wanted to be his own man turned into a guy that bribes others to his goal. Etc.
>>18433845What is that supposed to prove? You could just shitpost normally without making an image of it.
>>18433847off someone's*And protag offered to a hard to come by service to another person, to exploit them as a spy and get information of personal interest, despite the damage to reputation within the team.
>>18433845Is this an exercise in avoiding commas or is your whole shit written like this?
>>18433851>>18433955So you guys going to post your works or are you going to make excuses as to why you can't?
>>18433968I'm posting my writing all the time. Like, right now. See? Here, you are reading it. I wrote it just for you, so be grateful. Can I take this opportunity to tell you how much I hate you? I'd appreciate it if you just one morning forgot to keep breathing and slipped away. I don't think anybody would miss you. On the contrary, you'd take a big load off your loved one's shoulders in one go. You didn't amount to anything in life, but you'll do all of mankind a favor in death. Isn't that an uplifting idea? I don't even know you, we've never met each other, yet the thought of you as a corpse warms my heart. Isn't that absolutely magical. Well, will you do it soon?
>>18434032>Doesn't post his workGood to know you pseuds are only good in shitting up /wg/. So don't get mad whenever anons says animefags are the only writers here.
>>18433968The Silence of Thought rested the eve before the storms. Thousands of lights twinkled along its underside, playing their yellow glow across the watery expanse of Saphon-II. The immense space ship had been designed to take the colonists to a proper world, to a green world. When the warp gates failed, it fell to the water world, never to rise again. Generations later, its gutted hull sat open to the heavens, awaiting the monsoon with open arms.The ancient hull had been sealed and patched water tight; the largest water tower in the galaxy. After the storms, thousands upon thousands of cubic meters of water would be available to turn on the generators and return power to the destitute colonists. That night, beneath the milky stars and on the very precipice of celebration, a man fell in the resevoir. He thrashed and screamed, struggling across the water as the council members argued and bickered beneath. Metals needed to be processed. Machines needed repair. Some scrap of luxury could surely be budgeted. The escape rocket had to be prioritized as well. A hundred people with a hundred needs fought with one another as the man in the resevoir screamed for help."Somebody!" he cried out. "It's alive!">not that I was involved in this conversation thus far
>>18434086Is this a space opera or a science fiction work?
Wish Mountain anon here. I've decided to put Wish Mountain as I've shared before on hold and to start over with a different approach. 1. Starting deeper into the story where all the main cast are gathered together. This was the original conceit and starting point of the story, but I felt like I need to handed the prequel-stuff first. I'm glad I wrote out the 5 episodes that build up the core characters, because I have them ready to go from the start of this new point and can write them confidently. 2. Changing to a first person perspective. This is the main reason for switching and doing a soft start over. My writing in third person didn't do the story justice, so I'm switching to 1st to give it a much more personal feel to get inside the character's heads more. There we go.
>>18434246What made you decided to change things ups?
>>18434246I thought writing in third person was the same as writing in first person. What really changes? I'd go for the second point. Also, I had basically the same name idea for a novel I never wrote, which was about a sentient mountain granting wishes and the correlation that there is a 4channer somehow writing a similar story is quite funny.
>>18434257Not gaining reader traction. I'm not blaming readers for not engaging with the story because my approach was wrong. But I had to get those words out to find out what I was doing wrong. With Wish Mountain there are so many elements that need explaining to get the context of the story. Also, I just don't think I'm suited to writing in third person because the lack of objective perspective makes the story hard to emotionally connect to.
So . . . you have written atleast 2000 words today, right? . . . right?
>>18434238To be a science-fiction/horror short story, stranded colonists on paradise getting picked off by a monsterThe goal is to reveal at the end that the killer isn't another colonist, it isn't the local wildlife or aliens, it's one of the security drones that is still functioning hundreds of years later. It's not robot, it's an android that was digitally enslaved lest all the living humans die for lack of their labor. The entire peaceful colony is built on that lie; the machines doing the labor for them are human slaves and the elders just don't tell the younger generation.
>>18434344I'm a little over 1k right now, took a break for chores and to clear my head.What drives you to write so much anon? 2k a day is pretty painful>t. 2k a day for a month now
Please just tell me if this is shit or notSuffocated in your cellophane; this veiny cold expanse.God this wrath I give you no quarterNo wrinkles in my fingers, no light in your eyesGod this life I’ve lived no shorterThe question is posed and the breath denies.In my hands and through the crevicesWeaved my hair in placeSloughed and hummed, withered and dumbedCarried my head with grace.One in the hand and none when lacedThe thoughts don’t come the samePoisoned the streams,Lashed and slitheredLove begets love debased.And it runs onAnd it runs onAnd when it stumbled in the laceHeld my breath and pushed in yoursDelicacy slathered your face.White-knuckled; lobotomizedAnd all the better for itUntroubled; compromisedAnd when brought tomorrow,Ignored it.Something between the branchesThere’s something in the leaves;Something in the way she dancesThrough contrite and snarled heaves.The heart-beating, the sun-eatingThe day-fleeting, the empty-greetingThis oily rich romance.I can give only so muchI can be only so muchI can crawl and scratch and shiftI can reach to touchI can swallow this crutchI can let the foundations drift. and the morning boiled shame we had sunday soiled; (her fingers coiled, her senses crawl)slipped into the crypt between the mattress, the mist, the window, and wall.
>>18434294Why not just write in third person limited?
>>18434344I just got off wagie cagie lmao. I'll probably go home and write like 200 words and fall it a night before dying instantly in bed and turning brain off to play rimworld
>>18434649I was trying to do that a little bit, but I'm bad at doing it because I see the movie of it in my head but struggle to translate that into third-person limited. With 1st person I'm forced to remain rooted in a single POV and it makes things clearer and I think more enjoyable for the reader. I'm not saying 1st is superior, I'm just not good enough as a writer for 3rd limited at this point.
>>18434363If my writing doesn't amount to anything (I don't yet know what I define as "not amounting to anything"), then I'll throw myself off a lookout tower in the forest. That's why I write 2000 words a day and will go up to 3000, starting tomorrow. Then we'll see.
>>18434032>These fags have the audacity to claim they contribute animeposters.Jesus fucking christ, no wonder /wg/ is shit with you fucks ruining it for the rest.
I was going over all of the stories I was planning on writing comics scripts for and realized that most of them had a save the world plot, so I decided to retool most of them into something else because I want each of them to be unique.Then there's this one that I wanted to take back to its roots, which was originally a dark comedy, but I've become attached to many of the ideas that I later came up for it and the original was kind of eh.Just in case I'll just say that it started as>a girl living in a cyberpunk shithole is chosen to take down the demon that's making the place both cyberpunk and a shithole but she doesn't really care and would rather just use her new powers to amuse herselfand it turned into>a girl living in calhoun world is dragged by a former magical girl into gathering the now nearly exhausted powers of the previous generation of tarot themed magical girls so she can have enough magic to defeat the current demon lord that created calhoun worldRight now I'm not too sure of what to do but I was considering on adding elements of this genre called farce, but then I realized that I have never actually read one.Can I get some recommendations?
>>18433845Well, it's what I expected. That's all I can say.
>>18435346Post your own work.
>>18434676Well, good luck on your rewrite.
>>18434676Someone once said on this thread that writing in third-person is the same as writing in first-person bare the difference in subject. Try writing in first-person and change the I by the name of the character or part of what makes him unique in this setting (the knight, the cultivator, the elf)
>>18434344I prefer to write at my own pace so I won't be burnt out by writing.
I put an incredible amount of work over the course of quarantine into true 'gods' lore, human-derived mythology, ancient history, recent history, and a handful of characters of a world I spent a long time building/designing up until about four months ago. Haven't added more than two, admittedly very solid and door opening concepts, to the framework since. Been incredibly uninspired and unmotivated towards writing, in general, more and especially towards begining to convert a lot of this framework into narrative. And even then, I still have a lot of ideas I've yet to translate into text that, while not key to the process of converting outline to draft, I'd like to get into text sooner rather than later on this project to prevent potential loss of integrity and/or strengthen immersion/integrity. Not sure how to get out of this rut. Have been less depressed than usual these last few months and it oddly (perhaps not) lines up to the time of my loss of motivation towards this project. Hoping to figure out a way to get back into the groove and write with inspiration and tenacity again without bottoming out mentally again. This is the healthiest, mentally, I've felt in years. I fear, beyond my mental health, it may be the fact that I don't find this story pertinent to a modern audience on the whole as a respected piece, since it's more of a fun piece of (hopefully) refreshing fiction with a couple of modern concepts translated well enough into a solid story arc. At this point in my life though I feel like I should be working on something that tackles and embraces modernity in an influential way. But tackling something predominantly modern leaves me certain I'll be alienating many who, while are not at the forefront of societal progress, are shouldering the foundation of society still. This project though is dear to me and carries a lot of ideas that I love, just have fun writing, and have been refining for years and years. It's simply not pertinent, both to me I guess, nor to anyone for that matter. Hoping that maybe if I vent some disjointed rant, it'll drain this mental dam enough to give me some level of clarity as to where I should put my next foot forward in my writing endeavors.
Memes aside, what does a good story really need?
JK-Sama, I don’t know if you’re here, but I found out you posted your story on Spacebattle and I have to say, posting a chapter a day might have got you more feedback, not to mentioned, it would have kept it you in the front page. Also, why didn’t you post it on Original Work? It would have done wonders.
>>18435903I agree. I think I did get ahead of myself posting it all at once. I think it'd make me feel guilty posting it daily and having any readers wait like 2 months to get where most of my readers are. Maybe I was a little impatient haha. It doesn't help that there's no option to schedule chapters like you can on other platforms. Seems like I always mess something slightly up when posting them on between the three platforms: RR's posting was err'd by me starting it from ch9 and writing the story both directions, Scribblehub was posting twice a day daily without any shilling on the forums, and SB I just jumped the gun altogether.> Also, why didn’t you post it on Original Work? It would have done wonders.Maybe I read the FAQ wrong, but I thought it would post in both subforums by default. Oops.
>>18434032>All these seething because an animefag posted his work.Legit, why do you pseuds even come here? It honestly feels like a repeat ever time. You get mad at animefags for writing, they tell you to post your work and you don’t. Why are you here?
>>18435887descriptions of boobas
>>18435958Shut the fuck up you seething retard.
>>18435957You could have, posted the story twice or three times a week? >Maybe I read the FAQ wrong, but I thought it would post in both subforums by defaultCreative writing is for fanfics of various series. There’s no overlap between that and original fiction.
>>18435984Post your work.
>>18433144Yep. That's it. There's another church that worships these creatures.
Got to page 103 today! Only the top of it though so I don't think I'll be able to do a full page tomorrow, but I'm aiming for two paragraphs.Keep doing your best everyone, I'm rooting for you!
>>18435957Can't you ask the moderators from that site to move your story? Or is that not a thing?
>>18431738Just a bunch of pseuds who don’t write seething that they’re getting mogged by a bunch of anime writers. If you just ignore them, /wg/ becomes a comfy place to hang out.
>>18436053Good work, anon. Hope you finish what you set out to write.
>>18433968Fine, here it is.
>>18436180Don’t cover for them.
>>18435995>You could have, posted the story twice or three times a week?Regardless of what kind of release schedule I did, it'd still mean making readers wait for a couple of months to catch up. Scribblehub was probably the best release schedule of the two, and I still didn't get many comments out of it despite theoretically getting chapter exposure in 2 timezones>Creative writing is for fanfics of various series.It just occurred to me after enough thinking what you meant, and man, it should've been obvious from the start what that entailed.>>18436070yeah, if I can ever muster up the courage I'll ask the mods about it.
Have you ever read a book on storytelling theory you found particularly useful?>inb4 poetics and hero with a thousand faces
>>18436346The Weekend Novelist
>>18436318Sometimes you have to make the hard decisions, JK-Sama.
>>18436180Something I would read just for the laughs.
>>18434344Thank you. I was going to stop at 1500 today but after I read this I went back and pushed out the extra 500. Hopefully I'm not too burnt out, hoping to have another 4k done by Sunday evening.
Is there a way to bypass the book download limit from https://pt1lib.org without making an account?
>>18436432shit. that's gay
>>18422323I've finished my 2nd novel in 8 years, working my "sifting" process to catch all non-intentional mistakes, typos, formatting issues.>Still listening for the voices of the characters in my head, making sure I'm telling their stories correctly.
>>18436457>8 years to finish a novelI’m afraid to even ask, but what the fuck were you doing?
>>18436465You'll be blown away by how long it took Proust to write his novel
>>18436504Hope to god, you’re not comparing yourself to Proust.
>>18436465Well.. in 2010 I realized dating was broken and started working on a novel. I was still on cocaine and sleeping around constantly so I didn't finish it until 2013.>Released book too quicklyI didn't allow the thoughts and action of converting imagination to paper to marinate, it took me several years to watch the fallout from my book.>Book only made about $5000 in like... 2 years... 99% of that income coming from selling copies at bars.The 1st book put me on a path to meet the mother of my first born child, which was amazing. I had the best first few years with my kid.>Switching careers, moving to writing full timeVery difficult transfer, decided to go both-feet in on the writing. Huge pressures with my girlfriend and a young infant.>I struggled, juggled freelance work and employment as I quit working in the adult industryFucking had Mount Doom in front of me and life beat the shit out of me until just before COVID where things were picking up again.>Watched Austin Zone all last summer, was re-inspired and believed in my art againFinally pushed through the pain and interference from the outside world to create again.>Buying heavy-duty paper cutter on Tuesday because this dink paper cutter from Staples is already fucking broken.
>>18436504Which Proust novel?
>>18436514At least Proust finished his books. Take a look at George RR Martin
>>18433736I already posted my work, it's Blackula
I wonder if Hook is still alive.
>>18436550Shut the fuck up you seething retard.
>>18436572No, I don't think I will
>>18436593Why are you two even fighting, this is /lit/, how does this board have any level of aggression?
>>18436593Just ignore the pseud, Blackula-anon. All they ever do is shit up the thread. Just don’t pay them any attention.
>>18436602Good plan. I'm going to watch some more black people videos on YouTube and TikTok now. Now that Lupita is biting all the children of Yorkshire, I'll need a lot more examples of authentic AAVE
>>18436613Do I need to lurk 2 years to understand what the fuck is going on
>>18436601Because pseuds often shit on writers here and the stories posted here, and they never post their own stories. Worst is that they actually think they’re contributing to /wg/ when in fact they constantly shit up the threads with their pseudo-intellectual opinion. Overall, I’m just genuinely tired of their bullshit.
>>18429347>where the body aches as you get into the 40s and 50sBack. Knees. Gout. Arthritis in the fingers. Liver if the years have given you enough shit you wanna forget, and the head if you had a hard time forgetting last night.
>>18436613Well I'll be damned, if it ain't Ol' Blackula hisself. I've broken a many a buck in my day, but ain't nary touched a buck of the dead. Tell me son, does a stake through the taint work just as well as through the heart? Ah, shucks, it don't matter. We gon' find out one way or another.
>>18436635>Overall, I’m just genuinely tired of their bullshit.Can you keep it to yourself and stop shitting up the thread yourself?
>>18436678>Says nothing of the pseuds actually shitting up the threadNo even him by the way, nice covering for them.
>>18436652You forgot Tophus.
i want to say,>you shouldnt be allowed back, let alone be appointed a scholarshould i say>you shouldnt be allowed back, let alone be appointed as a scholarinstead?
>>18436726That's entirely optional, especially if it's dialogue.
>>18436726Second one reads better for me, but as this anon >>18436733 said. It’s optional.
>>18436630He’s making a Dracula remake but with black people.
>>18434357I honestly feels like I’ve read something like this before. The problem isnI don’t know if i read it from an actual book or a web serial.
>>18436666Sad the state of 4chan that there are so few witnesses.
>>18435957Eel, I hope your spacebattle fiasco turns out alright.
>>18436528Did you ever put your first book on Amazon? Or did you went into those vanity publishers?
>>18436884>vanity publishers>A vanity press, vanity publisher, or subsidy publisher is a publishing house in which authors pay to have their books published. Where mainstream publishers aim to sell enough copies of a book to cover their own costs, and typically reject a majority of the books submitted to them, a vanity press will usually publish any book that a writer pays it to.How are these things still operating? Why haven't they been shut down?
>>18431738Nothing wrong with it. Write whatever you want.
>>18430981Just use periods you sperg, having so many semi-colons will be way more disruptive of the "flow" to anyone reading it than a period ever could be
>>18432701Yeah, read books about pre-war ww1 society so it can be more authentic to the readers.
>>18432701>Is there anything I should know?Don't let realism tie you down. You're writing a fantasy story, so don't be afraid to be a bit unrealistic in your setting.
>>18434676Dude, just write first person then switch to third person limited. You’re way over complicated things and making it harder in yourself.
>>18431738Son, what you need to understand is that we are within the midst of a cultural war. The Yanks and their long-nosed brethren in the JIDF are constantly subverting the culture of this here image-based board.You see son, they and their ilk know that anime is an inherent part of the anonymous board that is 4chan. They and their ilk also know that 4chan has been a thorn in their side, a relic of the old internet that has not completely kowtowed to the corporate internet monoliths. For that reason, son, they seek to subvert our dear prairie. Infest it with bots and the JIDF, along with their glowie cousins.It's all part of their plan to establish a new reality within cyberspace. A proverbial Garden of Eden in which they Yankees will be as the Elohim. Sadly, due to their infested Nephilim DNA they will never attain a Garden of Eden. They are worse than the original sin, being the giants of old, the cyberspace they create will be much like the Blood-Gardens of DOOM. So keep vigil young man, and don't listen to the subversives that insult our here and dear anime.And never forget, break a buck or two while you're at it boy.
>>18436966Not going to lie, anon, you do have a knack for this. Shame it’s all shitpost.
I'm stuck on my story. My character loses their arms and I don't know how someone would react in the first moments of waking up to find their arms are gone.
>>18437031Google how people felt when they lost their arms and read their reactions.
>>18436966Everywhere I go, I see /pol/
I’m writing an epic poem about WWII and I’m worried nobody will ever publish 10,000 lines of verse about operation Barbarossa
>>18437053Nobody would ever want to read that.
>>18437055I would, that’s why I’m writing it
>>18437061I think other people than yourself, anon.
>>18437064People read 13,000 lines of translated verse about the Trojan war already, why not the largest land invasion in history?
>>18437071Are you no joke comparing a Greek epic to a land invasion?
>>18437079I'm also writing an epic, so the comparison is appropriate.
Friends, I'm going to be a great writer. Come up with a stupid alias for me
I only read non fiction and poetry but I specifically write fictionI am gonna make it next week won't I
All right, I've learned some more black slang> Bae, you mine, I play like I'm nonchalant but I be getting jealous> I'm feeling fly, he so fine> Ya'll be really listening to this old school stuff and like it? Shiii cuz me too.> I know you ain laughin. Don't make me get on you.> One of you is getting a whoopin'> I'm cool being single until night time hit> Who do you think you're playing with?> They dead ass look in my eyes and say, "No."> Don't call my house ever again. Do you hear me? I'm not your mommaBonus conversation> Don't start today.> No, you don't start it today.> I ain't about to do this with you.> I ain't start it. You starting it today! I ain't even ... I'm trying to ...
>>18434571I like it.
>>18437086It really isn’t.
>>18437189Are you being real right now? Or are you just being obtuse.
>>18437191>Be Greek>Write epic poem>Spend an entire chapter listing off boats>2800 years later some anon thinks it's unacceptable to compare any other epic poem to your work just because it's oldYou're what's wrong with literature
>>18437204To be fair, that chapter of listing off boats was important.
>>18437210It's by far the weakest in the entire epic though.
>>18437215Not that anon, but are you sure you weren’t filtered.
>>18437126Why don't you read black books?
>>18432701Is it better to write ww1, or ww2? Ww1 consisted of sitting around in trenches hoping the next artillery round doesn't land on your head. Would ww2 be more interesting for this fantasy story? The second world war had more dynamic frontlines after all
>>18437301WW1. WW2 is overused. And besides, there’s other fronts besides the western front.
>>18437226How does one get filtered by a book they've read and understood perfectly well?The boat list is just dull. There are important but dull parts of literature, poetry included. You ever read Chronicles? The genealogy section is fucking awful, but important.
>>18437047This isn't as bad as it could be, so stop exaggerating.
>>18437333I’m just trying to find a possibility, anon. I didn’t mean to offend you.
>>18437356Not at all, I'm just throwing playful jabs.For real though, the idea that modern epics can't be meaningfully compared to ancient epics is absurd.
>>18437363>For real though, the idea that modern epics can't be meaningfully compared to ancient epics is absurd.You know how certain anons here revere old books here. So it wouldn’t be a surprised to me.
>>18437322WWI is overdone too. but ww2 had all the cool nuclear occult ufo stuff.
>>18437371>WWI is overdone tooWW1 is rarely fictionalize, it's most just there for a backdrop to let readers know yeah, this world's version of ww1 happen.
>>18437259I've read Things Fall Apart, Beloved, and Cane River, and I didn't enjoy any of them.> Things Fall Apart: the Africa parts were good, but it got too depressing and sad when the white man came> Beloved: -1/10, no redeeming qualities whatsoever> Cane River: 500 pages of REEEEEE whitey be having sex with all of our black women, black women belong to the black manOne book on my to read list is Dance of the Forests. My gut feeling is that it's like Passage to India, but with black people, and I really liked Passage to India.
>>18437410I mean books written by black people who tell it how it is.
>>18437415all of those books were written by black people and I don't know what you mean by tell it how it is
>>18437374Yeah, I don’t get it either. It wasn’t until recently, 7 years ago, that WW1 has gain any traction at all.
>>18437031Go on some sites that deal with lost limbs.
>>18437469>TFW no alternative history of ww1.
>>18437031If your universe has robot arms and advanced cybernetics, maybe it's not as bad. I personally want robot arms, so I would be overjoyed to wake up with no arms
>>18437548Yeah, but what about phantom limb? That gets ignored.
>>18437031How were the limbs lost? Was it a traumatic event? Were they surgically removed after an expected operation? How much time did they have to start to come to terms with it, if any?
>>18437565I’m going to say it was traumatic considering the character will be surprised by it.
>>18437551>Approximately 80 to 100% of individuals with an amputation experience sensations in their amputated limb. However, only a small percentage will experience painful phantom limb sensation.This stuff is scarier than I thought. I can't help you with that, but if you're willing, you can take reference from mgsv's story which focused heavily on phantom limb
>>18437575Would they still feel it with robot arms and advanced cybernetics?
>>18437514Meh, for the best. Harry turtledove couldn’t save it.
>>18437580Yes, what do you think phantom pain means?
>>18437589>Most people who've had a limb removed report that it sometimes feels as if the amputated limb is still there.I'm just saying if having them replace with artificial limbs, will the patient still feel pain.
>>18437595>experts now recognize that these real sensations originate in the spinal cord and brainThis shit is complex and not simple.
>>18437548What if you're poor and have no health insurance.
>>18437607Hasn’t stop cyberpunk fiction to depict poor people with cybernetics.
>>18437613aren't those mostly outdated barely functional?
>>18437607go to Pandora, mine unobtainium for a few months to earn enough money for your surgery
>>18437620>avatarThat movie never made sense.
>>18437624Yes, it's a planet with blue pseudo Native American aliens who are 6 feet tall. You'll spend the whole time trying to catch a glimpse of a nip
>>18437580https://youtu.be/N_vJMHMBzLMHere's a scene where one of the characters who just lost his arm talks about phantom limb. Maybe this will help. It's spoilers for the previous games though. And don't open the comment section. It's just filled with spoilers
>>18434344I usually shoot for 15K a day but end up settling on 6-8K depending on how I feel.>t. NEET
>>18436823Sooooo, do you mean that as a mark of quality? Or just deja vu?