Which one was his best?
>>17619238the stranger
The Dead House
>>17619309That's Gogol, not Dosto
Idk
>>17619309house of the dead by D is fucking excellent
>>17619309>>17619371Kek.Gogol: Dead Souls Dostoyevsky: The House of the Dead>>17619238Only 1/3rd through BK, so excluding it, but my ranking is: C&P, Demons, The Idiot
>>17619371
The Gambler because the casino scenes were fucking hype.
i have only read "Crime and Punishment" and "The Idiot," my favourite is "The Idiot">>17619309honestly, yeah. i'm currently reading that and it's really good
>>17619238The Idiot and I say that as someone who is autistic and likes cunny.
>>17619238The Idiot is very degenerate in terms of narration and plot. I assume that Dosto has a writer's block when writing the idiot. Crime and punishment is his early magnum opus along with Notes from underground. Demons is cynical when you think about the disturbing chapters. Quite funny actually. Brothers Karamazov is his really Magnum Opus. You can't argue with that blackpill grand inquisitor and the rebel.
>>17619646i read gambler its gold reading demons nowfell asleep after a little over a chapter and had wacky tobaccy dream
>>17620145I heard somewhere that with the idiot he tried making a world where all the characters have lives going on in the background as realistically as possible, which is why some scenes have a shit ton of useless characters just standing around and why Rogozhin who is suppose to be a really important character only appears like 4 times. Its easily his weakest narratively, but at the same time I just love everyone in this book so much, even the annoying Ippolit
>>17619851Is there a main character in a Dostoevsky novel that's not autistic?
>>17619499If you're a third in you should have hit Grand Inquisitor, in which case you're a filtered pleb for not ranking it above all other novels. If I had to choose between the first third of BK and the Library of Alexandria I would be burning down that municipal building so fast it would make Hypatia's head spin
>>17620284I think the reason he tried to do that is so that Myshkin-Jesus could have a more authentic clash/encounter with human society
>>17620327Alyosha, everyone else is a sperg
>>17619238The Idiott. epileptic retard too nice for his own good
>>17620386alyosha is a based and chad sperg
>>17619646When that grandma bitch slammed down on zero for the fourth time I got hyped. I was apprehensive before reading this book, but it captured me instantaneously and read it in a day. Alexei was such a nihlistic, little fuck boy though, felt bad for him at the end.
>>17620386>>17620508>Dostoevsky literally writes a Chad so Chadley that a crowd of women at his murder trial are begging to get him acquitted. >/lit/ simps for a beta whose own fiancé disrespects him to his face
>>17620327The guy in The eternal husband, hes a chad who constantly outshines the little husband at every turn.
Reading C&P now as I more or less figured that starting with Nietzsche was dumb and that I should look back to better understand his ideasBut now I have read the background of C&P and find that to get an even better idea of the whole shebang, I also should read Pisarev and ChernyshevskyHow fucking deep does this literary rabbit hole go
>>17620565>How fucking deep does this literary rabbit hole goall the way back to Gilgamesh
>>17619309Agreed
>>17620565It's not some grand secret that Dostoevsky's work often references Chernyshevsky
>>17620808Well, no it's not, but I'm also a newfag discovering all this for the first time, I'm trying to find my footing in philosophy and every time I think I've found a good baseline to go off of, it turns out that I need to read even more and older works and authors to figure out the meanings and whatnot behind it all.
>>17619238If you’re talking about the P&V translations then they’re all tied for last
>>17620880that's a meme. P&V are fine
>>17620547>a Chad so Chadley that a crowd of women at his murder trial are begging to get him acquitted.Who is this?
>>17620815That’s a good thing though. Means you‘ve got constant discovery and learning to look forward to!
>>17620899https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/gary-morson/the-pevearsion-of-russian-literature/pretty covers is why they win the translation wars
>>17620961I know. But whether I'll have the time between my hobbies, vices, and responsibilities to do so is another thing.
>>17620547I simp for Dmitr as welli,i love him and alyoshat. person you replied to
>>17620967no
>>17620909did you even read TBK
I thought that I was the only one who loved the Great Inquisitor part, probabily the best in the BK, I'm happy
>>17620909Dmitri Karamazov
>>17621004I was really just trolling your use of the term Chad. I don't want to, but I can't help simping for Ivan like a fat tumblerite. Feels bad man, but he's just soooooo smart!
>>17621043>Great Inquisitor>Great>I thought I was only oneIts so famous that its been published as a novella separately from BK and there are multiple lecture series about it. You are baiting hard
>>17621018>a crowd of womenWeren't there just Grushenka and Katerina, and Katerina even wanted Dmitri to be condemned?
>>17621741the trial was somewhat famous in the town and even in Moscow so there were a lot of chicks who were supporting Dmitri cause he seemed cool and had two love affairs
>>17621844Ah, haven't read TBK in a long time. Yeah, Dmitri was pretty Chad.
Demons>TBK>Crime and Punishement for me so far. I haven't read the idiot yet.
>>17620355Its great but the trail brings the novel back down a few notches.
>>17619238C&P then go counter clockwise
>>17622456Is Demons that good?
>>17622464The trial is exactly what it needs to be, it is the tale of the Grand Inquisitor writ large, an in-depth, evidence based, fairness-seeking but ultimately absurd enterprise that attempts to paste the rubric of Western rationalism onto the irrational but ultimately redeemable animal Man. Justice belongs in the Heavens and Aleosha's speech at the stone has more of real human justice in it than the entire court and constabulary. That is the thesis of the novel and a long trial scene is thoroughly necessary to that.
>>17620284I liked how two of the most important characters, Rogozin and Nastasja, are essentially like ghosts towards the middle chunk of the book, until the climax of the novel which essentially focuses on them againThe chapter where Rogozin stalks Muskhin with his "eyes" following him from somewhere in the crowd while M is having a stroke was incredibly eerie, and Nastasja gets referred to by the other characters as "her" or "that woman", as if the mere mention of her were capable of causing disorderit really adds to the feeling of how hopeless the attempts of M to redeem these two really are, they are unreachable both spiritually and physically
>>17621169I truly didn't know this lmao
>>17622464>>17620355Yes, I'm only a couple chapters past it. And the two chapters leading up to it are great too. But hey, I'd have to be a real prick to say, "This is the greatest book of his lifetime" while there are still 500 pages to go.
>>17620815You don't need to follow some optimal reading order to get anything out of a philosophical text (there are some obvious exceptions). You could argue that unless you took a class on a work of literature you missed out on a ton, but most laypeople would take something away from it, even be profoundly moved. You can (/should) always come back to a philosophical work later when you've read more and it will take on a deeper significance for you having read more. This board has a weird thing about reading all the historical greatest hits leading up to a philosopher and nobody ever reads like that, especially not the philosopher themselves (who are often drawing significantly from thinkers forgotten today). It would take an entire lifetime to fully excavate the influences of most significant philosophers, don't get hung up on it, just read.
>>17622640Agree, the trial scene is great and belongs squarely in a long tradition of trial scenes in realist novels (there's one in Red and the Black, another in Les Misérables, another in Zola's The Human Beast, in Sentimental Education there's an auction that almost plays the role of a trial, etc.). >>17619238It's not really a contest since Brothers Karamazov is really Dosto's summa, like the Divine Comedy for Dante. It contains pretty much everything there is in his other books, but better integrated in a single frame.That said, the Adolescent is really underrated. It's like a lesser Brothers K. I'd personally rate the Idiot slightly above Crime and Punishment because it seemed to me more odd and different from the others (also the translation plays a part). Haven't read Demons yet.
>>17625128Read it, has things not in TBK
>>17620967That’s not why, their covers are fairly bland actually. They win because their translations got a lot of praise from Slavic scholars and Russian speakers, as well as translations awards. Also, parroting some contrarian like Morson just makes you look like a faggot.
>>17619238I've only read Crime and Punishment and it's my favorite novel.
>>17625444Based trips of truth.
>>17619309only number 2 friendo, C&P is in wholly different level
>>17619646I really enjoyed it
>>17619270good one
>>17623045When I wrote the post you replied to, I was going to mention this because its really interesting. Before I picked up the book I had seen a blurb summary that mentioned Rogozin and Nastasia a whole lot, but Rogozin has maybe 4 scenes in the whole book and Nastasia 2 (in terms of big scenes not just mentions). I think it speaks to his character work that despite only getting a few lines on what Mushkin and Nastasia's life was like during the time skip we know exactly what it must have been like for both of them.
>>17625397>That’s not why, their covers are fairly bland actuallyLet me explain something to you. Those covers are recognizable. They are recognizable as the default covers of these books. 99% of time when someone posts the cover of one of those books for e purpose of discussion, they will have selected the p&v cover. That is an absolute conquest of marketing. Take this trend and extrapolate it by a generation and now you have the definitive translations of the books, all because they were the ones that were posted over and over, because they were the recognizable ones. I wander into Indigo and ooo there’s that classic blood red Brothers K cover, gotta have it! Sure it’s twice as expensive as the Oxford, but it’s the one all my friends online have!
I feel the idiot might be one of the funnest
>>17619646Underrated.My pick is The Brother K.
>>17619238All 4 are absolute pulp fiction trash. They belong in grocery store check out lines next to throw-away romance for bored soccer moms as an option for bored house husbands.
>>17620565It goes deep. The 1861-1881 era of Russian history and literature defined the terms for the 150 years that followed. Understand that it didn't appear out of thin air, nor has the era really ended.
>>17619238My favorite is Demons, and I'm not one of those ani-communists who read Dosto just to own the commies. It's genuinely great.All 4 are masterpieces, though.
>>17620327I was going to say the protagonist of The Eternal Husband, but >>17620560 was faster
>>17619238How do I know which translation to start with?
>>17619238Mine is TBK closely followed by "Uncle's dream". The latter was just such a thrill.
>>17619238haven't read TBK but out of the other three, Devils > C&P > Idiot
