Any progress on your novels?previous thread:>>17596452For Prose:>The Art of Fiction>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)>On Becoming A Novelist>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft>How Fiction Works>The Rhetoric of Fiction>Steering the CraftFor Poetry:>The Poetry Home Repair Manual>Western Wind: An Introduction to PoetryRelated Material:>What Editors Do>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar>Garner's Modern English UsageSuggested books on storytelling:>The Weekend Novelist>Aristotle's Poetics>Hero With a Thousand Faces>Romance the BeatSuggested books on getting your fucking work done you lazy piece of shit:>Deep Work>Atomic HabitsTraditional publishing> Formatting manuscripthttps://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/> Write a queryhttps://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/> Track your queryhttps://querytracker.net/Other Resources>General grammar/syntax/editing helphttps://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html> When/where/how should I write?https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers> What software should I write with?https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP moniehttps://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650> Be like Charles Dickens and write seriallyhttps://www.royalroad.com/> Basic overview of the Screenplay formathttps://screenwriting.info/
I'm up to 37k words, but now I'm distracted by the Mars rover.
Got a pinboard and started printing out my favorite snippets and phrases from my book, and some photos of what I imagine the characters look like. Helps me feel better when I start doubting my story. Highly recommended for all anons
>he scrapped an entire chapter AGAINhaha imagine doing this and never finishing your workhaha...
ok im starting to get frustrated now. i just need to phrase ONE (1) sentence just the right way to finish my short story but it always feels awkward and not punchy
>>17614674Then stop beating the dough and let it rest for a while. Write down the goal of that sentence and move on.
>>17614665imagine finishing it but its flawed in any way and it haunts you forever and deprives you of sleep with restless leg syndrome lol
Anyone here go from a non-writing field to getting a writing degree?I'm a designer who loves to write and read, and I've also been published a few times.It's time for me to take my Masters, and I don't know which direction to take my life in.If I take a writing degree, I might go in a path that might be more emotionally fulfilling but financially unstable. If I take a design degree, that might take me in the direction of stronger financial security, but I might be more entrenched in a world which might allow even less time for me to accomplish my writing endeavors.I wish someone would give me direction. I just can't seem to think straight or approach this.
>>17614704Why would you dream about such pointless degrees? Both writing and design are fields where employers only care about what you can actually do and don't give a fuck about your papers.
if you've got 2500 words worth of time to waste, please give mine a shot.or just skim the dialogue and lemme know what you think. anything helpshttps://pastebin.com/pXgDXwx6
>>17614746For design, it's simple: the pay increase.writing is a lot more complicated, but just the environment, resources, networking, and time dedicated to writing might be beneficial to me. I feel like if I don't take a degree in it, then I have no idea where I'll have a good chunk of time/energy to dedicate solely to writing. because, right now, while I have a full-time design job, it's tough to fully dedicate my mind and energy to writing. I try my best to write but my current circumstances and environment aren't conducive to writing.
The start of my YA book about cats.
>>17614751lol I remember reading this. What kind of story is this? A person walks down an alley and there is a salon, then next to the salon is a guy standing there selling remedies? Then next to him a butchery? Just trying to visualize it, but aren't store fronts facing the street not an alley? So a building, a guy, then a building?On top of that, there are houses on top of these shops right? So only two stories? That (in my opinion) doesn't agree well with the following paragraph. He couldn't see the sky past two story buildings because of cables? Is he in between the buildings or walking past them on the side? Like, are there cables running from the shops across the other side of the alley?Just my thoughts I don't know, don't take them too seriously. I like to visualize what I read. So, this would confuse the fuck out of me.
my book reached 100k words today, how long do a book be?
>>17614877Up to the author. Publisher wise, 100k is about right.
Do you ever find yourself reading and look at the prose and think to yourself: ya I can do this, but when you start your work you realize just how untalented you are
>>17615070Keep trying and keep copying your favorite prose. Analyze what the difference is between you and them.
>>17615070the thing is that you're seeing their final, finished, polished-to-a-shine work and you're seeing your shitty, unedited first draftIt's take a lot of time and iterations to get writing up to the mark. just keep writing and try to make improvements with every draft.plus do what >>17615180 saidyou need to do that in order to figure out your own unique voice
>tfw still haven’t figured out a name for my mc and I’m just writing in a way to avoid mentioning it so far.
>>17615700Jacques if male Jill if female.
>>17615706A French sounding name doesn’t fit the character’s history, and it sounds too much like Jack, which is the name of the main character in a much more successful novel in the same genre. I don’t want to remind people of what is probably a better book while they’re reading mine. It would be like naming my character Riskalnokov. I may be overthinking this.
>>17615722All western names are dumb and overused, and Asian names make you look like a weeb. So I pick ancient mesoamerican or middle-eastern names.
>>17614381>Oh, you like writing? What did you publish?how do I reply?
>>17615866>I said I like writing, not whoring
>>17615786That’s a good point. All the ‘good’ Mae western names have been used to death anyway. And actually, a French name probably would work well in the setting now that I think about it. In fact, probably better than a British/American name given the plot. Maybe even something vaguely both like Jean.
>>17615786The true redpill is Fenno-Ugric names.
>>17615786The truest pill is realizing no one cares if your characters have unique names or not
How do I describe this expression?Basically she's super happy and feels elevated but doesn't want to show it.I don't want to describe the emotion though, just the face.
>>17615700What kind of setting do you have?Name them common enough names in your setting.Alternatively if it's fantasy either use lotr-ish names if there's no real life equivalent or just names from the region that inspired their home region (e.g. if it's generic fantasy european names)Also take names that say a bit about the characters or help with their roles.My main character has a short name that doesn't offend anyone because he's supposed to self insert.The feMC has a cute name.The bad guy has a harsh sounding name (in my case some old norse king.)If you have a weasly merchant kind of guy take a name that fits that characters etc.etc.
>>17616125Originally, i was taking inspiration from Discworld, so it was going to be a seedy British inspired town. But it makes far more sense for it to be a Paris analogue since fashion is a pretty big focus. I do kind of want the self insert angle, so simple is better. I’m liking Jean, but I might switch it to Gene to keep it broader and avoid mispronunciation.
>>17616213It's coomer stuff.
>>17616216What's the point of having a bad guy in coomer lit? NTR?
>>17616273I really meant an actual description of her face as it is detached from her emotional state, but I guess flustered is the best I can do if I don't find anything fitting. Thanks.
>>17616073demure (if it's intentional)
>>17616273>>17616345>>17616431All great, thanks. Writing makes me realize how small my easily accessible vocabulary is.
>>17616063You are objectively wrong, since I care.
>>17616548You don't count as a person
>>17616557I'm the only real person here, the rest of you are just NPCs to make the world seem inhabited.
>>17616566Seems like the AI is working well
>>17616566Actually I'm here for PVP
>>17614845fair enough. i was trying to describe the kowloon walled city. i'll keep that in mind, thanks for pointing it out. anything else?
I’ve got white knight something bad, but I want to make sure I’m not writing something only I will enjoy. If I give a possible romantic interest cut scars on her wrist, is that an immediate turnoff for everyone except me?
>>17616222its a girl and the mc tames her with his dick. then the day after he finds out it was merely a ruse and the succubus stole both his seed and the thing he was guarding and his heart. a fun chase ensues
I haven't written a word in 3 days because I've been busy and I just suddenly have absolutely no motivation to write at all. I'm torn between just forcing myself to get something down, or waiting until I actually feel the desire to write.
>>17616777You don't want to write, so why force yourself? You didn't make it. Move on with your life. Who knows what the world has to offer you!
>>17616794Yep. This worked. I don't know whether you were purposefully trying some reverse psychology or if my innate reaction is just "well fuck you I AM going to make it", but I got my motivation back.
I want to write furry porn how do I start
>>17616566fuck off, solipsist.
>>17617684Just start writing, my man. I started writing without looking at anything or taking advice and people seem to like my stuff.
>>17617728I don't actually want to write furry porn it was just a shitpost to bump the thread
>>17617697That would imply I had people to interact with...
I want to write, but I don't have any ideas on what to write about. Am I just not meant to write?
>>17617775Just think of something retard
>>17617784Of course, why didn't I think of that!
>>17617775The secret of new ideas is combining old ideas. Pick two things you're into, combine them and see what it turns into.
Is furry porn allowed on Amazon or does that count as zoophilia? Is zoophilia allowed on Amazon?
I've made a horrible mistake with my novel and I hate myself. My goal was to write a very simple hero's journey story modeled on something like the original Star Wars. Character has his home destroyed and cannot return until he becomes a big boy and destroys the baddies. Very simple story with one main character, some sidekicks, and an interesting villain. No tryhard politics bullshit.But a part of me also wanted it to be epic in scale and have more than one character. And somehow now I've ended up writing a story where my own character feels like a boring side character that's basically being carried by the waves made by much more powerful actors. Oh my god, I even have segments of people debating politics.I literally fucking HATE this about other novels so much. I hate it when you start with one character but then the author kinda forgets to develop them and adds more interesting ones but leaves the main character the way they are because they are either too lazy or he's a self-insert anyway that you have to follow along because it's the author's own dream of what will happen to him.I wrote the very thing I swore to destroy.But now I will destroy it. Thank you for reading.
>>17617935There are a ton of Werewolf, Bigfoot, and Dinosaur erotica on Amazon, so I'm sure zoophilia is fine.
>>17617775I have too many ideas and no time to write half of them. I wish someone else wrote them for me, and I could just enjoy reading the result.
>>17617945>my own character feels like a boring side characterthis is the only thing wrong you've done. your main character should be the one pushing the story, and even if he's being pulled along for the ride he should be kicking and thrashing at every turn. I realize empty vessel mcs are a big thing because the boring retards reading the story like to imagine themselves as the mc - why they like to do that I have no idea - but fuck that.
>>17617945I had the opposite problem. Readers liked my MC too much and bitched and whined whenever the story turned to another character. Though I personally thought everyone was just as interesting, if not more so. I've observed a lot of readers are hugely biased towards the MC, just for the virtue of being the main character, even if the character does nothing but stare at a wall.
Sort of meta question, but the QTDNTOT thread seems too crowded: does anyone know of write.as as a publishing platform? I like the idea of supporting an open source project focused on anonimity but that's all I know
>>17618182I feel the same way as them. If I pick up a book and a character is not introduced in the opening chapters but later becomes one of the main characters I will always view that addition with suspicion.
>>17618439>>17618445Not him, but I, as a reader, expect the author to have the entire story and world planned out from beginning to end at the beginning of the first chapter. Meaningful character that's added later and is not foreshadowed early on feels like the author making up shit as he goes along.
>>17618466Most of my story is basically just coming up with shit as I go with just vague overarching ideas or random things I already know I want to happen.
>>17618480Same for me, but I'm writing an episodic story where no one cares about such things. If you write a fantasy epic then people expect the author to know more or less everything because they expect payoffs for early foreshadowing.I know it's a meme example, but take Naruto. One of the final villains was already teased episode 12 or something like that and he only featured after something like 500 episodes.If you still remembered that moment in episode 12 from 10 years ago and then see the guy it feels like a HUGE rush, because you realize the author knew exactly what was going to happen (of course maybe he just planned that single detail, but psychologically it feels like he does).
I’ve been reading infinite jest and realizing the thing that’s so good about it, and what I’m missing from my writing, is that seem less transition to something else from a conversation. My writing reads like a script sometimes, but in IJ characters will be talking and then he will say what the character is thinking and then tell the whole backstory of that thought and somehow wrap it back to the conversation and switch between perspectives at just the right cliffhanger moment. I want to be able to do that better. Is it just a matter of thinking about doing that as you write or is it more something you go back on the re write and add in?
>>17618439>>17618466I agree and I hate it when a story randomly introduces a new pov character. I usually just drop it when that happens. Which is why I only use the few essential characters who have been around from the beginning to deliver the story. But readers still prefer the MC over anyone else.
>Gene Wolfe didn't publish The Book of the New Sun until he was 61 years old, and was 51 when he published his first bookYou're never too old to make it, anons.
>>17614333It's only one person who manages the tech-side of RR. So possibly between never and literally never.
>>17618519The way I mostly do it is whenever something of moderate significance happens I try to think of what that conveys to the reader about whatever it is it was in regards to or if there's anything interesting I could do with that. Then I really just try to keep it in mind for later.That's probably not sustainable for an epic fantasy story or anything along those lines but it seems to be working well enough right now.
https://pastebin.com/u9EMphhtHow's my prose? 30 second read
>>17618677Decent and won't be an impediment for you writing whatever you want, but I wouldn't read it just for the prose.
Watched Princess Mononoke the other day (one of the only acceptable animes) and the light-hearted nature and character of those films by Ghibli made me change my course completely and instead of writing a dark and nihilistic story, partly inspired by Berserk, i decided to try something much more innocent and peaceful. Really glad i saw it after literal decades of seeing it as a kid.
>>17618677Your dialogue is stilted. These are criminal negroes who are talking like like they've got ramrods in their asses.>The Red Light Lounge was a black owned bar in the Downtown area. It was a regular meeting place for Ostrich to meet up with Brother Mal; a well known criminal organizer in the African American community. Ostrich showed up early out of respect for his Brother only to find Brother Mal already waiting with a glass of coffee.the two phrases that obviously don't belong in this sentence are "criminal organizer" and "African American community". instead of criminal organizer say hoodlum, or something far less formal. like what he actually does. maybe he's a fixer. say black community.Swifter is the best written character of the bunch, but only because he says the dreaded N-word, which the jannies won't let me say on this blue board.
>>17618771I guess I didn't give off the impression that these blacks aren't the average type of criminal. They call themselves "Brothers" and see themselves not as "Niggas," but more of a necessary part of their culture for the betterment of their financial and social status.... Am I making any sense here?
>>17618711Nice. Dark edgy nihilism is boring.
>>17618910Personally i wrote a lot of dark poetry intended to attack the rich and the powerful as a way to cope and let a kindled flame keep me warm but i feel like there is no better story than the kind and the well-meaning.
>>17618910I enjoy the combination of edginess and comfy peaceful hopefulness
>>17618929>there is no better story than the kind and the well-meaning.Agree.>>17618965Yeah but nihilism is the problem.Your story can be dark and edgy and still not nihilistic.Of course I am talking about nihilism in the sense of R&M, not Nietzsche etc.
>>17618837You are, but I figured they were some flavor of muslim based on that brother talk.
>>17618645>was 51 when he published his first bookHe was 39, bruh1970 - 1931
>>17617775Why do you want to write if you have no ideas?
Guys, is the Kubler Ross model a good tool to use when writing a character experiencing loss/death of a friend?
>>17619562>trying to write grief when he hasn't experienced itdon't go into detail, it'll be hollow
>>17619585So what are you saying?Not to write it at all? Sounds unnecessarily defeatist to me.
>>17619599if it's a plot relevant event you should write it in, just don't try to depict the experience and emotional effects of grieving, only the actions and events
>>17619645Hm... I don't follow. Wouldn't that also just be hollow? All my writing up to this point has stressed the emotions my protag feels. Seems strange to not get into their grief after everything else.
>>17619658if you were to try and write what it's like it'd be an outsider looking in type deal, which is fine for most things since people are smart enough to extrapolate and eyeball it not trying to be a gatekeeping prick but grief is one of those things you have to have experienced to understandin my opinion it'd hurt the integrity of your writing. everyone who's experienced it will identify that you don't know what you're talking about and will lose their immersion and probably drop your storythink of an incel writing a sex scenethe fact you still want to write even though you haven't experienced it shows you're gmi, just do your best bud
>>17619723Alright, thanks dude. I'll do what I can.
I started a novel and left it there around the end almost a year ago. Any tips on how should I go about picking it up again? I feel that if I start re-reading it, I'll just scrap the whole thing and start something new. I just want to finish it, even if it's shit.
>>17620075Re read the last chapter just to remember what happened and regain your writing style?
>>17620075>write a novel all the way to the end>I'll scrap the whole thing and start something newif its less than 50k words its not a novel. if that's the case it would be more like a late term abortion
>>17620075just write retardliterally that easyyou know you're not ready to write well yet so why are you being such a bitch about ityou don't need the right word, you don't need the perfect ending, you don't need to impress anyonejust get it fucking done
I posted it before, but I'd love to hear any feedback on this short story I'm writing.>The fire pit at the center of Jarl Wiglaff’s feast hall had begun to die and the shadows previously confined to the corners of the room began to consume it. Wiglaff sat at the banquet table wearing the blue, fur lined robes specially sewn for such weekday feasts. He paid no heed to the growing darkness as the banners lining the hall’s tallest beams were still illuminated by the fading fire. The fire pit had been elevated five feet off the ground specifically for this reason. One of the few designs the Jarl had insisted on when it was built. It was thought unfashionable as the flames offered less light to the guests, but Wiglaff enjoyed looking at the multi-colored banners that adorned the top beams and was willing to sacrifice the comfort of his guests for it. Below the Jarl’s elevated platform were the remains of tonight’s feast. Wilted vegetables and half eaten chicken littered the wooden tables and cobblestone floor drawing mice inside from the winter night. Most of the iron goblets remained where they had been dolled out, many still half-filled with the light red wine all guests had been served. The blocks of sweetened cheese were largely left untouched, only a few even cut into as a tolkien showing of politeness. Already, they had started to go bad and their sulfur smell had begun to overpower the smell of burnt wood from the pit. Just wood burnt tonight. No roasted pig, no beef. Nor any white flakey bread, or honey, or ripened fruits, or meade. Dietary restrictions imposed on the Jarl by the Syrranid doctor sent to him by the King.
>>17620075Re-read it. If need be, re-write it to make it better.
>>17620271What's it about? A Jarl who doesn't give a shit about guests and has diarrhea? Good descriptions though, if a bit long for my taste.
>>17617945You don't need to scrap it all. Learn from it, take what you like and maybe make a multi-faceted main character with elements from the others. Relax. This post makes me think you have an anxiety problem.
Can audiences really relate to a character that is "stinky"? One of my beta readers said that society just can't accept it yet, while another said that I pulled off portraying a character like this.
>>17620918there's no way to know when all you give us is a single word description of your character. I'll answer your question if you can help me imagine the smell.
>>17619492I can't say for certain, but I guess I just ant to to get my ideas on paper, so that they can be preserved past my death? I also do want to see something that I have created, that I thought of and put the effort into
I'm used to writing poetry and adjusting back to prose, can i have feedback on this? I like it but my brain is wired for metre so i have a hard time telling if it works.
>>17614840Your descriptions and dialogue are passable but even as a YA book the structure seems a bit off, we've already met a supposed villain in the first page without much time to get invested in Smudge or Charlie. Try building up to Charlie's disappearance, maybe even a chapter where the two are going about their usual business. What kind of apprenticeship are we talking about between Smudge and Charlie. I don't feel invested in the characters yet enough to keep reading. I don't know a single thing about Charlie or why he constitutes a good cat to Smudge.
Is Dominic (nickname Dom) too on the nose for a name for a protagonist for a porn series?
Hi /lit/ New writer here-I want to write at least one poignant short story and novella before I die. What do you guys think of a white female writer writing in AAVE? One of my favorite authors is Flannery O’Conner and I want to write about what I know and what I observe. I work in a women’s homeless shelter, and I regularly find myself inspired by the people I encounter. Is this bad optics though in 2021, even if it’s good writing?
>>17618711Great film. I know exactly what you mean. Darkness and tragedy is easy, comedy and light is more difficult.
>>17621481Is this bait?If not, why in the fuck would you think people on 4chan would be a good representation of a normie crowd's thoughts on niggerspeak by anyone?Also, you WILL be lynched if people find out you're white, but on the other hand you can make a shitload of money since your book will be miles and miles better than anything else in the category.
>>17621508I completely agree, it's hard to make people feel love and humour but anger and hatred are easily manipulated. In Princess Mononoke i even felt so in love with San when normally i am very distant to romance and the film erupted so many feelings in me that i just had to change course. What i started is here, by the way.
>>17621481>I want to write at least one poignant short storyDon't prioritize aesthetics. Just write>Is this bad optics though in 2021, even if it’s good writing?Write for bread or for yourself. Don't try to mix themIf you want to write something "poignant" then just write with integrity and earnesty. Put the effort in retardIf your worried if it would sell then you shouldn't be writing it. If you don't have enough stability that you have to gamble on a passion project blowing up then you'll end up compromising the quality of your work to get by>white female writer writing in AAVENobody cares and if they did it'd be for shallow reasons. Put the integrity of your work before your own ego, nobody gives a fuck if you're white, black, man or womanI know this whole post is probably bait but the whole point of an anonymous forum is that who you are doesn't mean shit. Talk about the subject at hand (writing) without forcibly injecting your personal shit into the conversation. Leave that dumb fuck validation shit to social media
>>17621564>>17621508>What i started is here, by the way. >>17621357
>>17618711Princess Mononoke isn't that light hearted or peaceful though. It's not doom and gloom but it has literal war in it
>>17621578It's much more optimistic and inspirational than what i'm used to.
I decided to write a short story for fun but I ended making the side characters so much better than the protagonist. Now I want to make the story all about my one side character and frankly I don't know what to do. Help me friends.
>>17621481How is that bad optics? Are you white? Sounds neat. >>17621564>What i started is here, >>17621575wh— oh.
>>17621600Quickly jot down whatever inspirations you have for the side characters somewhere else. Short form notesFinish your main story and if you still feel driven to write about the side characters do a side story on them but only AFTER you finish your main storyDon't let yourself fall into productive procrastinating. Get it done
>>17621616Good idea, thanks man. This is the first time I've ever faced a problem like this before.
The story I'm writing features mostly female characters. The story revolves around a trio of girls. Most of the characters they interact with are girls and even the main villain is a woman. There are still male characters, but not as many male characters as female characters. I've read books where the majority of the cast is male, so is it okay for me to do this?
>>17621629Nobody cares, your book will be forgotten among the mounds of YA pushed aside by the increasing number of special editions of Tolkien's books.
>>17621629be careful, they can throw you in jail for doing that
>>17621357Well we don’t need to hear Grey’s full title every time eluded to. I come away not even knowing what the wood might be made into, but the prose seems fine otherwise.
>>17621648Yeah i honestly agree but i'm used to (and like) older poetry or religious texts when people's titles and names are prolonged on purpose as, for example, there would be a Great King ___ Lord of This and Master of That who, when spoken to, is addressed: O' Great King ___ Lord of This and Master of That. But i'll look into changing that for prose for sure.Also they toss that log away nothing comes of it.
>>17621685no one cares
>>17621697Sure you don't, thanks for the (you).
best place to publish my warhammer fanfics?
>>17621752archiveofourown.org is always a good bet.
>>17621574>just write with integrity and earnestyThis is what I'm most concerned with, and I don't give a fuck about selling anything or getting published, thought it might be validating 1 day. I just need an outlet for my thoughts. >Put the effort in retardThis is very hard>Talk about the subject at hand (writing) without forcibly injecting your personal shit into the conversationI really didn't mean to do this. I was just curious about whether or not it was a bad idea, but my instincts were good based on your reply. Thanks anon :)
>>17621481Are you still a virgin?
>>17621602I just wonder if the idea would be generally perceived as racist, even though I know it isn't. I'm Southern and have an ear for dialect and a good political outlook, but Flannery O'Connor wrote nigger this nigger that and was writing in a very different era. Bitch would be tarred and feathered today. She said that James Baldwin was a hack too LOL
>>17621819Steal the bitch’s prose and turn towards something nice. I’m pretty sure vernacular is used nowadays in some black lit.Still though, if you’re white, you may want to hide behind a pseudonym.
>>17621481>>17621762Yeah, what the other guy said: just write.Especially seeing as you aren't especially concerned with getting published or selling copies you really should just write what you enjoy. Though do take care to not have your pen name linked to you.
>>17621839>ake care to not have your pen name linked to youWhy? So I don't get lynched?It would be nice to share my work one day. I have a lot of insight into a very fucked up societal problem and blight on humanity. I always think that documentary/narrative film would do it better justice, and I have other ideas for writing too. Can't pick just one!
>>17621862>Why? So I don't get lynched?Yes.If you really don't give a fuck then go ahead. I just think most probably wouldn't want to deal with that shit.
Got some writing done tonight. I was having too much trouble writing the part I'm at so I decided to work on my character's backstories which I'm going to have to get to eventuallyI don't know what I need to do to get excited by my story again. The whole process is so boring
>Have about 3000 words of a short story written>It was half stream of consciousness just to get the words and ideas out on paper>Feel like I'll just have to rewrite fucking everything if I want to edit it and finish the storyAll these tips are about writing. How do I start editing?
>>17615722Let me guess: you're writing a thriller, and don't want your character compared to Jack Ryan. Well I have some bad news for you, all great action-thriller heroes have names that begin with J. James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jack Ryan, Jack Reacher, Jason Bourne. It's always JB or JR. If you want to succeed, your action hero must have those initials. This is an iron law. I suggest Jeremiah Bullfrog or Jack Reacharound.
>>17614751You describe things well, it is just that it appears as though you are over explaining the scene, which in turn makes it kind of hard to visualize. Just my initial thoughts from the read. Best of luck to you anon!
>>17622030No, I'm writing a porn book and the protagonist of Building Harem Town is named Jack.
>>17622095thanks for reading, i'll keep this in mind
>>17622026do what I dopost it in threads and pray a brainiac will breast feed me and I'll learn
>>17622118In that case I still suggest Jack Reacharound
>tfw write really well but only write /pol/ tier fiction and political rantsYou all hate me and it makes my penis big and my soul bright.
>>17622427it's not as good as you think but i'm glad it makes you feel better
>>17622434It is good but it is not great. I can be better and I will be better.
Also all those asking for advice in this thread need to shut the fuck up and write. Post your work and get feedback anonymously. Find your flow and your voice until it almost drives you mad. Also when you are in a flow do not stop. Just keep going and remove all distractions in order to keep it. Do not listen to absolute snotty cunts who try to force you into their style of prose and language. They are english teachers and are the most useless people on earth.
>>17622427I don't hate you, i intend on my work being part of the international aryan revival.
>>17622472Carry the fire.
>>17614665Heinlein's second rule
>>17620340Thank you for reading anon, I appreciate it.>A Jarl who doesn’t give a shit about guestsKek, it’s about a Jarl being visited late at night by a wizard.
I have a feeling this decade will be dominated by modempop fiction. "Modem," in reference to the technology of the early 2000's, and "pop" as in a new genre/style which will position itself as an optimistic revolt against the cynical "punk" styles of past decades. These stories will feature protagonists who will interact with technology in much the same way that we used to: as a discrete entity separate from the real world (as opposed to the interconnected smartphone world of today), a diversion used for childish entertainment. The settings will be optimistically bright: sunny suburbs, shopping malls with fully stocked stores, and a democracy led by honorable people, without hate or extremism. These settings will capture the "future is now" style of the New Millennium, replete with translucent-pastel B&W LCD tech, chrome, and raver-style bucket hats. Possibly such stories will take place in a world similar to our own, wherein old-school tech will be used an "off-the-grid" alternative to gov-controlled central tech. Unlike the grimdark media of the actual 2000's, which sought to find the rotting core behind the glimmering facade of society, modempop will seek to reconcile the unlimited sense of potential that the future used to offer us as children versus the world of stagnation and gerontocracy into which we have come of age. Whereas the 2000's flatly stated "The individual can combat institutional rot" through such characters as Christopher Nolan's Bruce Wayne, Harry Potter, or Theo Faron of Children of Men, modempop will seek to answer the question "How can we have hope for ourselves as individuals, when the dark reality of the world lay bare for all to see? Can we build a castle of chrome inside our hearts to hide from the darkness?" This will be a primarily aesthetic movement, taking place in film and animation. I look forward to watching those, but as writers, unfortunately, will have to answer this question in a different way. You guys have any suggestions on how these concepts can be conveyed through written texts?
>the one aspect of my writing I feel mostly comfortable and secure in is my dialogue >first critique reader has of my writing is the dialogue and how it drags on and on Haha
>>17622741give me the personal details of this critic and i will have a word with them.
>>17622741post some dialogue
Just thought of a perfect endng to my book :) (Don't feel like explaining because that would take too long)
>>17614840A bit cliched, but overall decent. I like how you established the character's personality through actions and thoughts, and how something happens almost immediately. I've read so much meandering drivel in these threads, it's quite refreshing to see someone prepared to offer entertainment in exchange for my time.
>>17622753It's basically stuff like this, excerpt from the thing they critiquedContext being lords are feuding over territory(the bridge) because they're trying to curry favor with opposing, bigger nationsIt's a lot of this faux-witty nonsense, idk they're probably right>>17622748>It feels like certain things character say are vague just for the sake of being vague>And the dialogue goes on and on with bits of conversation that are not actually important>What you showed me is good on its own, but people who don't know the story will read 4 pages without knowing where this is going
>>17621481>What do you guys think of a white female writer writing in AAVE?Do an insane amount of research first. I mean really dive into black history if you're going to do this and talk to black people, in person if you can, see what they think about the idea instead of getting feedback from a board full of white 20 somethings (a lot of them keyboard racists btw).
>>17622967Anon seems to know their shit already, clearly they're acquainted with black cultureDon't act so cucked. Blacks aren't special and deserve as much respect as pretty much any cultureNot white btw. Only whites and black americans give a shit about white guilt and nigger coddling
>>17622814The dialogue is fine, but yeah, if it just goes on and on like this without actually taking the plot forward, then it becomes a problem.
>he did this>he did that>he said this>he walked thereGOD.... WHERE IS THE VARIETY WHY CAN'T I HAVE VARIETY IN MY SENTENCES
>>17623473Add a female character, so she can do stuff. Unless you're like...misogynous.
>>17621819>>17621838>bitch bitch bitchdistasteful trannies or edgy teens?
I have a question to do with style. Let's say I am writing a character that I know is French and old. His name is Leon. Assuming I've already stated that he's old and French, would it be bad form to use those characteristics to refer to him instead of calling him by his name? For example, would it be wrong to say>Leon sat down before the TV with the bottle in hand. The old man could hardly remember the last time his son disappeared out of nowhere. Same goes for blonde, redhead, etc. If I've established that I have a character that's blonde, would it be bad to call her "the blonde" assuming she's the only blonde there instead of repeatedly using her name?
>>17624951Post again without attaching a whore
>>17624951Referring to characters by hair color or whatever is what shitty fanfic writers do. Just call them by name. And what did him being French have to do with anything?
>>17624979>And what did him being French have to do with anything?Nothing, it was only an example.
I’m writing fantasy. What’s the best way to explain what species/race the characters are? Obviously in the real world, you don’t introduce yourself by saying, “I’m John, I may look Japanese, but actually I’m Laotian.” The main character is smart enough to know many races, so I can have him explain to the reader in his narration, but would it be more “realistic” to leave out race names for the most part and just describe appearances?
>>17624997Can you post an example of a meeting.
>>17624997Just mention it casually in the narration, like "the docks teemed with people of various kinds, dog-faced canidians and lumbering bearniggers among them"
>>17625002I’m at work, but I can when I get home. Just for a quick example, it would be something like, “Jack’s short stature made me think he was a dwarf, but he was a bit too scrawny for that. Maybe a tall gnome?”>>17625011That normally works, but what about if the character doesn’t know what the species is? Like in real life, you wouldn’t ask someone, “hey, you look black but not really. What are you?” And if the character doesn’t volunteer the info,You’re shit out of luck until you get to know each other and asking where he’s from and shit like that.
>>17624951It has to do with the point of view of narration. If we're in the third-person limited perspective of the old Frenchman, he's not usually going to think of himself as such, and so we won't have him described as old unless he sees a person or thing that makes him think about how old he is. Likewise, it would feel weird to read about him as the Frenchman if he's sitting down in front of the television in his apartment, but maybe less weird if he's sitting down with a German, or he turns it on to a channel showing something in English. If you're writing detective fiction, your detective character is going to categorize people he sees by some physical trait, and thus "the blonde" has become a stock character in that genre. In the third-person omniscient you can refer to characters by their traits, but by virtue of that point of view you can see so much more about them than their age or hair color, you can call them "the dour student," "the charming dancer," "the prickly patriarch," or whatever, those examples are off-the-cuff.
>>17625092> Like in real life, you wouldn’t ask someone, “hey, you look black but not really. What are you?”I have asked "where you're from" from a whole lot of people I barely know and I've never been stabbed in return. Please don't take the current oversensitivity towards "racism" as an indication on how people should act or have ever acted at any other point in history.
>>17625093not him but thanks
>>17625114They probably went on socially media and cried about how much your micro-aggression hurt them
>>17625133There was no social media back when I still talked to people
>>17625151Then your info about how people react to being asked innocent questions is not up to date
>>17625093I understand what you mean, thank you.
Overly broad question:I'm trying to write a sort of bildungsroman but I'm increasingly realising that it is very episodic and that not much Bildungs happens in itThe MC is the least character of every adventure he stumbles upon Would it be more profitable in such a situation to just fling the MC off a balcony and turn all the episodes into short stories and novellas? I feel like it'd lose its impact since I'm also trying to trace the twentieth century history of the Balkans and the novel structure brings about a sense of continuity
>>17625163And your book, is it set in our world in the present day? I thought it was fantasy.
>>17625207Modern day audiences will read it
>>17625212No they won't, modern day people don't read. Only old people read.
>>17625114There’s a difference between “where are you from” and “what are you,” isn’t there? Like you can ask a hobbit where he’s from and he’ll say hobbiton or whatever and you’ll know. But if you’ve never met a gargoyle before, having him say “I’m from not!London.” doesn’t really clear anything up.Or you know what, I think it clicked for me while I was typing that. I’m thinking too much in labels and trying to apply too much real world knowledge that wouldn’t apply. Thanks I think I’ve got it.
>>17625230>There’s a difference between “where are you from” and “what are you,” isn’t there?Again, this is in a world where we're all just humans. In a fantasy setting this would be different. You can make the MC ask the questions real politely too, like>What do they call your people, friend?or something.
>>17625171There's nothing wrong with having a "protagonist" who plays the PoV character in someone else's story. It sounds like you're describing a Sherlock Holmes or Mad Max type character. Some kind of rogue who solves other people's problems while his own story take a backseat like a side quest in a video game. It's a formula that's been done before you just have to research and experiment to find the right balance between your character's story and miscellaneous adventuring.I say that if you want to tell a series of stories in the same setting and genre, you might as well have a consistent protagonist to tie them all together.
>>17625304That actually sounds like a really good ideaThanks anon
>>17614381I've checked open syllabus and this seems to be quite at the top.Can't find any PDFs, though.anything similar?
>>17625424Gave you 5 min, couldnt find it. but I did find this by the same guy https://book4you.org/book/2607618/a68fae>>17614381Can anyone tell me if my fight scene is decent? Dw I hate troons
>>17622814There was something off about it that I couldn't quite put my finger on but I think the "vague" comment nails it. Other than that it's good but most people that write good dialogue will let it go on far longer than it should just because they're so comfortable with it. So just try and keep it contained
How to describe sports in a way that isn't totally boring?
>>17614381>For Prose>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)Nigga please
>>17625564read some sports writers
>>17625825There are actual books that do this?
Is there any call for smut books with a futanari main character?
>>17625837Coach Carter was well written iirc
>>17625861Call of the Futanari
>>17614674What's the sentence anon?
>>17625515thanks, anon, I appreciate it.
Is the 'Real treasure was the friends we made along the way' trope always bad?Plotting a story about a man who breaks into heaven to kill god, but god was already dead.
>have character that is a child soldier recovering from a life of slavery>cute girl>have character that was born to assassins and wants revenge on the world for executing her parents>cute girl>have character that goes on a quest to find who was responsible for their father almost dying in a obscure incident>cute girl>have character that is cursed with a great talent for battle who hates killing and joins a violent movement on the promise of ending conflict>cute girl>have character that is torn between duty and love when one of their colleagues in the police force goes postal over a particularly evil serial killer>cute girlDo I need anime detox?
>>17626117It's not bad it's just cliche. If you can make it work it's powerful, if you can't people will roll their eyes.>Plotting a story about a man who breaks into heaven to kill god, but god was already dead.Already rolling my eyes
>>17626125No this is a good thing.
>>17618569Aww, no one replied to me.
>>17625888Anon, you're seriously telling me that if you had unlimited magic power, your first instinct wouldn't be to turn yourself into a cute girl and give yourself a massive, throbbing girlcock?
>>17626192No I'm fine with being me but I would get fucked by one.
>>17626192I'd fix my dad's eyes so he can go back to reading.Turning myself into a futa would have to go into the back-burner after that, though.
>>17626192Futa is a neckbeard's abomination, much better is a femboy or a trans girl. Futas are the first filter of uncultured boylovers.
>>17626125The problem with letting anime influence your work isn't cute girls or mecha appearing in it. It's subconsciously or knowingly writing it like it's a 12 episode season or manga arc. You should write a novel with an appropriate word count.
>>17626289Well, is there any call for a porn book with a femboy or transgirl main character? What about a porn book from the bottom's POV? Most of the ones I've read have a dominant male MC.
>>17626125Stop fucking watching anime, it's cringe and turned you into a brainlet who can only think of lolis.
>>17626305I don't read smut so i don't know but generally Futa is a lowbrow term only used by socially inept people.
>>17626125could there be a more based post on /lit/
>>17625861>>17626117>>17626125>>17626289>>17626305So is anyone writing something that isn't pervy cartoon shit?
>>17626359Mine has nothing pervy in it.Just an abnormally large proportion of cute girls with difficult lives.
>>17626359Mine has cute girls doing cute things with doses of gritty war scenes, and also a cute traumatized girl doing cute autistic traumatic things. Plus the occasional space battles where thousands of people die meaningless pointless deaths, does that count as not being pervy cartoon shit?
>>17626289They all suck
>>17626359im writing something normal but im hiding all my fetishes in it like a proper artist
>>17626290I don't really do that. If anything, my drafts are comically long and disorderly. Nothing I could realistically shove into a twelve episode format without it turning into diarrhea.>>17626309But anime and old movies are pretty much the only viable/quality audiovisual media available.I don't even keep up with every season so it's not like I'm losing my mind over the current flavor of the month culture war club of choice.>>17626386>anon is still writing vividred
>>17626359I don't.>>17626414>But anime and old movies are pretty much the only viable/quality audiovisual media available.No, 90% of anime is trash and only pre-2010s things like Berserk, Akira, and Studio Ghibli are acceptable which are so few that they might as well be considered an exception and not the rule. Watch old films yes but let go of children's cartoons.>>17626386Yes it does, grow up.
>>17626386I want to write about cute girls, but I can't send them to war or anything, because shit's horrible. Cute girls should be treasured, not subjected to atrocities. But there's no story without conflict. The recipe just doesn't work.
>>17626127>>17626359Is my idea really that bad?Guess I'll put it on the backburner for now then.
>>17626359It's more aesthetic than sexual for me
Why do you write? Do you want to have a writer career or is just in this for the pleasure? Do you consider yourself a dilettante?
>>17626584no career, I just wanna write a story I'd read bro
>>17626584There's nothing else I can do.
>>17626584I write because i don't have much and wish to achieve any small success in what i love, i have wanted to be like Dostoyevskiy, Alighieri, Chekhov, etc from a young age.
>>17626584It's a fun hobby. I'm not trying to be a famous writer, but rather improve my writing skills.
>>17626619Why do you want to improve your writing?
>>17626584I write in hopes of allowing people to have the same experiences reading my stories that I had when reading my favorite stories.I'd love to make money off of it, even moreso if I could actually make a living off of it, but it's by no means my reason for writing.
>>17626699>I write in hopes of allowing people to have the same experiences reading my stories that I had when reading my favorite stories.How do you cope with the fact that people doesn't give a damn about literature/reading?
>>17626722I don't. The at least hundred or so people that read and like my stories is enough.
>>17626656I don't know. I was always told I had talent for writing, but I never really had the discipline. I feel that to improving my writing is a task that will help me kill two birds with one stone.
>>17626778Interesting. When will you know your skill is improved "enough"?
>>17625861No matter what kind of smut you're writing, there's someone out there who wants it.
Doing 30 min sprints has been doing wonders for productivity. Yesterday I did about 1,800 words over about 2-3 sprint sessions, and just today (so far) I did an additional 600 words between 2 sprints, and it's only noontime. If you haven't really considered them, they're something to try.
>>17626853Could you elaborate a bit?
>>17626584Not looking for a career, my day job pays more than enough already. Mainly it's because I've got ideas in my head that I want to express. I can't draw and the bar for acceptable writing is pretty low, so I write.
>>17626867pull up your PC's timer, set it to 30 mins or however long you desire, click start and then just write away. Closing out of browser and any distractions also help. Also works you're in a botnet that has something equivalent for an automatic process. Nothing more to it really. Stimulants of your choice is also optional.
>>17626853How do you write while running?
There seems to be infinite about of instruction on plot, story, characters, world building, all the mechanics of writing. I'd even throw in that "Shandification of New Vegas" into the mix for examples of how common this kind of thing is. And I'm grateful for all of it. Because of that, I feel extremely confident in my ability to come up with a story and plot and eventually a world and all of that really well. Characters I feel I struggle with because autism and my general lack of people I interact with over my life in meaningful ways, but while I'm writing they always come to life in ways I usually never intended which seems to be fairly common; I'm okay there.What I can never seem to find is stuff on style, voice, the actual words. You look at music, or art(painting/drawing), film directing, you can find endless analysis on different styles and all of that. But with writing I just can't seem find someone talking about what specifically makes Dickens different from Hemingway, or Faulkner different from Austen. I know if you read them it's easy to feel the difference and instinctively know who is who just like with any of the other mediums I mentioned, but I can't seem to find someone breaking it down in the manner you can find them doing with all the other parts so easily. That's the one area I'm not comfortable with, and it's the area I can't find any... training I guess is the word I'm looking for.Obviously you can't teach "voice" and all of that, it's something that can only come from within, but you can show people how to get there, and that's all I want.
>>17626790I don't know really. Probably get it reviewed by people who can be objective about it. Sometimes I feel like posting excerpts here but I see little constructive criticism. If my work is shit that's fine, but at least I want to know why so I can work on that.
>>17626853>>17626886Can't you just do the same without a timer?I don't understand zoomers
>>17626903Either write or don’t, but don’t waste everyones time with your meaningless meandering.
>>17626931>Either write or don’tI do, but I don't like the way I write and Idk how to change/fix that.
>>17626921I mean, yeah, you can. I've been writing without a timer forever. It was really only yesterday that I decided to give it a try. but I feel like it has the illusionary feel of helping me concentrate.
>>17626951By writing and not look for excuses on not to write?
>>17626963I keep doing the same thing over and over again and not liking how to do it better>"Just keep doing it""T-thanks, Anon.
>>17626903Stuff your subconscious with so many books about the things you like that it'll give you the story to write. The more you do it, the more content you have, and then seeing your voice is a matter of recognizing rare things that are common for you.
>>17626975So instead you would rather waste your time here on meaningless meandering looking for sympathy? Jesus, you’re never going to make it.
>>17626975tell me if this applies to you:https://medium.com/@thegreglarson/the-real-problem-with-bad-first-drafts-59321c6d5354
>>17626985>the story to writeThat's not the issue. I know how to do that kind of stuff, what I'm missing is the... detail work? To compare it to music, Megadeth and Metallica are both metal bands, but you can easily tell who is who even without the vocals.>>17626986Not looking for sympathy, I'm looking for solutions or rather a point in the right direction.>>17626988This seems more about having trouble writing in the first place, and that's not my issue. I write plenty(usually daily). My issues is *how* I'm writing. I don't like how it is, and Idk how to change it.
>>17626988>pretentious, semi-ironic clickbait introduction>proceeds to blog about some thot halfway throughWhat an "article". Thanks for the laugh
>>17627095practice, practice, practice and if that doesn't workpractice, practice, practice, practice
>>17627095Detail work comes either from getting good as you write what you care about, or digging into works of your favorite authors to copy them. Or getting a group of readers that care about you to suggest stuff.
Are there any critique/feedback services out there? All the discords and subreddits I've joined have turned out to be shit, and this thread isn't super viable either, so I'm thinking of putting up a simple website that manages anonymous feedback. (I.e. you send in a thing for critique, you get another user's submission to review, and you don't get your feedback until you review someone else's thing.) But if a service like that exists already I'd rather just go check it out than build my own.
>>17627377Good feedback comes from those that care about you, those that care about your story and those you paid to care.
>>17627377>You have to eat someone's shit to get their worthless opinion on your shitWhat makes you think such a service would be better than this thread, or any of the other things?
>>17627377That's effectively just what scientific peer review is. It's a nice idea but gets contaminated quickly without vetting.
>>17625515Personally I think you go overboard with your analogies.>seal in the sky>shark in the seaare both used in the same paragraph and it feels a little awkward.Outright calling the fight a dance also didn't work for me. I would allude to the fight being a dance once and then leave it at that.I would also try and find another way to refer to the sentries besides, "the sigher" and "the spitter." Maybe make them different sizes and just say "the larger one."Finally, I think you should trim a lot of the fat from your sentences.>And so it was, that she put up her dagger and stood perfectly stillThe "And so it was," is unnecessary.I know this sounds like a lot of critique, but actions scenes are super hard to write and this is one of the better ones I've seen on here. Good luck anon.
>>17626546I think grand adventures like that can work but they need smaller stories surrounding them that help ground the reader. Focus too much on the journey to go kill God and you end up with nothing more than a simple video game plotline.
What do you do when you have two stories that have similar themes but you can't decide which one you wanna write out?I got two variations of the same idea but i don't know which one to go for
>>17627761I would also like to know if anyone has good tips for this.
>>17627766But both are variations on the same theme
>>17627786then i guess you have to write the same story twice sorry but those are the rules
>>17627786Stop looking for excuses and just write, fucking hell.
>>17627786Your stories aren't all precious snowflake gems that need to be separate from one another. Writing them both will help you make them both better and hone what you're good at.
>>17627850Yeah i suppose that is trueEvery time i get an idea for a story i automatically think its gonna get published down the line, im gonna step down from that rhetoricIm gonna keep the two stories seperate and switch between them depending on my mood
>>17627761Perhaps write the two stories as separate characters in the same one?
>>17627889I considered that but the tone between the two stories clashes considerably, it would make for a lot of whiplash
>>17627761write them both and explore different aspects of the theme with each?Half of Borges' stories are about infinity in one way or another and he kept finding new ways to approach the theme
>>17626359Who else erotica writer here?>Always sells>Makes people happy>Lower standards.
>>17627910probably closer to what you're doing but also from Borgeshe also wrote plenty of stories centering on theme the of the duel without a cause but it keeps being interesting, to me at least
>>17627924What's the best sort of erotica to write? Aside from big publishing women's erotica.
>>17628028Self-insert erotica, but with a female protagonist. Also use a female pen-name because chances are you'll get more money out of it.
>>17628033Interesting, I was actually just wondering if female protagonists (or cute trap) protagonists did well. I mean, I should probably finish my first book before I worry about that, but still.
>>17628045Just go to amazon and check the top-selling books in erotica. You'll see more or less what's trending.
>>17628028Either super niche or cookie-cutter sappy romance then ooga booga bunga: no in-between.Female protagonists sell best because more females seem to read than men. Men will just watch porn fairly often instead.
Would I be able to get away with writing stories set in the modern era but written like late Victorian era? Removing as many adverbs as possible, of course.
>>17628067No, and stop trying to. No modern person thinks or talks like people in the 19th or early 20th century.
>>17626414>But anime and old movies are pretty much the only viable/quality audiovisual media available.that shit's literally for children. grow the fuck up, man
>>17628067wordlbuilding starts with the language you use. If you are using language that is typical of the Victorian era, there will be a serious dissonance between the text and the world it is describing. You may be writing about a modern world with modern characters wearing modern clothes and eating modern food, but you're going to leave the audience with a maximum cringe because your choice of language is forcing them to think about a completely different time and place.If you are going to write a modern story, you should use modern language.
>Looking up words in a foreign language to see if they'd make good names>They're all basically cognatesFuck French.
>>17628086>>17628183I mean just something a bit more... formal, than what we use now.
>>17628196Stop looking for excuses and don’t write like it’s some Victorian era, alright.
>>17628196Who the fuck cares. If you're looking to make money get rid of anything you like and copy the most recent top sellerIf you're writing for yourself stop asking if it's autistic to do this or that. It probably is autistic. But it's your autism, just fucking do it and make it your ownDon't be so insecure. Just write
>>17628196this may sound extremely cringe. it is extremely cringe. unfortunately its right up your alley with what you want to do. write Harry Potter fanfiction, they love all the noble houses, some stories they go absolutely gaga over that shitt. slummed it up reading HP fanfiction a bit in the pastthe worst part is? its less cringe than you want to do
>>17628196There was a fun adaptation of Romeo and Juliet starring Leonardo Dicaprio that used the original play script, but had it set in 90s LA. All the shit like 'longbow' and 'broadsword' were turned into brands of firearms. If you absolutely insist on doing it, go all out and do that.
>>17628165>>17628376Fuck you. i still watch anime over and over. its not for children
>>17628541Stop deluding yourself, anon, it’s for children.
>>17628541It is, especially when the protagonist is a school girl. It's literally meant for school children.
>>17628574Highschoolers deal with some serious shit, catcher in the rye should have told you.
>>17628585>Highschoolers deal with some serious shitmy fucking sidesKeep lurking, kid.
>>17628600>Ignores the exampleOkay anon.
>>17628574>>17628553you're gonna tell me cowboy bebop or champloo or flcl or akira or gits is for kids? FUCK YOU
>>17628612It's a shitty book, you fucking retard. Read some real books.
>>17628626highschoolers deal with more serious shit than most of us. i think most highschoolers are more mature than most adults. the years of inactivity and nonsense TV just turns our minds to mush. i wish i was as smart as i was in highschool
>>17628618Yes, it’s for teenagers, adolescents, anon.
>>17628618There are extremely few animes i would consider ok and even some of the ones you mentioned are for kids whether you agree or not. The whole industry is for fat lards to jack off to waifus and the redeemable works are so rare (and old by now) that anime is basically 100% for kids. Stay mad, lard.
>>17628650>>17628649what isnt for kids then????
>>17628660The classics, Greeks, and the western canon.
>>17628672clearly im not referring to books. shame that your 'adult media' did nothing for your comprehension. i guess you've been trounced yet again
>>17628644You live a weird and easy life if you deal with less than you did in high school. There are adults on this board who have to deal with careers and wage-slavery for the rest of their lives not to mention any other tragedy that can happen. You're so deluded you think an anime love-triangle is peak storytelling.>>17628660What >>17628672 said.Read actual books and watch real films. Stop wasting your time on YA.
>>17628695jobs and endless wageslavery are nowhere near the amount of dread i faced in HS. the constant clash of personalities. the constant striving for improvement. the desire to seek understanding and truth.I was so much smarter, experienced, and wise in highschool
>>17628695>want to know the merits of a certain medium>smart asses like you just go>uh have you tried NOT watching that medium? heh you're such a fucking loser. unlike me. my choice media of consumption is much better than your media of consumptioni dont even watch anime i just wanted to know what was going on. Just because you're a pseud and think you're a fucking genius for reading Kant doesn't provide an answer to what is good anime
>>17628706>I was so much smarter, experienced, and wise in highschoolNo you weren’t. You were in a shit school with shit teachers and shit students. Just because you were barely literate compare to your peers doesn’t make you smart, experience, or wise.
>>17628553>>17628574Only pseuds actively hate anime. I bet you guys like video games.
>>17628723How the fuck can you think I was referring to how well-read I am?I am not going to beat around the bush. I peaked in highschool as a human being. and I think most people here did too. I was so much smarter and wiser in HS. I faced far more difficult situations everyday in HS than I do in a year of adult life.
>>17628747Gain more life experience, this is absolutely cringe.
>>17628761There's nothing left after highschool, no new opportunities for anything.
>>17628746Nope, it’s the same as anime, for children only.
>>17628770noose.jpgthere you go faggot
>>17628650>The whole industry is for fat lards to jack off to waifusYou see, you just state this as something bad without saying why it's bad. Moe is actually peak visual aesthetics and you can't appreciate True Literature without liking moe. You are not a beautiful human being, you are consumed by western ugliness.
>>17628781Tell me how amazing your adult life is compared to your highschool life? If you looked at it objectively you'd agree. Unless you're just a latebloomer and at that point you're just an irrelevant outlier. I'd argue whatever thing you latebloomed into was less impactful than what highschool is like for most people.>inb4 some retarded tumblr tier rant about how highschool totally sucks and there is nothing redeemable about it and then some nonsense about cliques that have been outdated for forty years.
>>17628706Bro you're obviously a kid, just drop the cartoons.>>17628720But you're right, my choice in media consumption IS much better than yours. I'm not saying you 100% have to read the classics but i'm saying i could only take someone who reads them seriously.>>17628746No, i only like reading and angering people online. Also only pseuds think anime is for adults.>>17628796>t. pic rel
>>17628834You're just trying to live in the past and roleplay as a 20th century intelligentsia. The truth is that both anime and homestuck have artistic merit in the modern world and serious modern writers have analyzed and praised both.>heh modern writing sucksSays anon on /lit/'s /wg/. So insane. Cope.
>>17628854>he thinks media consumption has a tier list>he thinks 'art' existsSilly.It's all just mindless shameful consumption. we only use the word art to be elitist about what worthless media we like. nobody wants to admit that reading a book is equivalent to watching an anime is equivalent to watching tv is equivalent to eating from a pig trough
>>17628818yikesdid you surround yourself with underachievers after highschool or something? do something with your life retardhighscool is exciting because you do shit everyday and are surrounded by different, competing personalities. which you still would be if you did literally anything
how fares your writing today, /wg/?
>>17628854>>t. pic relFunny, that's what Resetera type anime haters always end up looking like. You guys are always projecting. You're the same type of affected pseud that so many better authors have made fun of.
>>17628876What are you doing with your life that is so much better?
>>17628873There is definitely not one of those cringe lists but there definitely is art that is valuable and art that is consumerist garbage. Imagine the difference between an Eisenstein film and one of the Avengers films, there is an obvious better film and an obviously better way to spend your time. If you don't have an eye for kino you might just be one of the mindless consumers.>>17628888>th-that's not me, that's y-younice cope, fatass.
>>17628887I started a new short story todayit's about a guy whose tasked to investigate the archives of the recently deplaced tyrant I'm trying my hardes tto be Borges with it but I'm failing badly
>>17628932Good luck, fren.
>>17628920its all the same and the line between eisenstein and marvel is tenuous at bestThe goal is the same>just dont think about reality for a little bit
>>17628920>nice cope, fatass.But it's true. It's literally you. That image is exactly what anime haters look like.https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/883427509790015490>he literally used an Avengers vs. classic film analogyYou are without a doubt a pseud. Might as well have mentioned McDonald's at that point.Again, actually accomplished authors love tearing you pseuds apart.
>>17628946How can you even think that films with deep meaning and artistic value are the same as those meant to be dished out to the masses? Some films are written to ask questions or answer them, some are written to give hope or to celebrate and you're saying films made to make the most amount of money are just the same. You are the reason why media has been shit for decades, mindless retards just want to shut off their brains.
>>17628854>you're a kidim 32. there is nothing for you after you turn 18
>>17628982>im 32Sorry, i meant you're a manchild.
>>17628978All artists are charlatans. Trying to talk them up is pathetic. Piss on their graves. i don't care. Writers are the worst charlatans of all. The art of writing doesn't even lend itself to an actual skill unlike the other arts. Words are the most worthless mode of expression available to humans. Authors need to rightfully view themselves as the scum of the earth.films are there to distract you anon. films and 'art' is an indulgence. the sooner you realize that the sooner you can create your own.
>>17628978>all these words to say, some films gud some films badPseud.Pseud.
>>17614381i'm getting ready to selfpublish my dumb novella and i'm just waiting for an illustrator to finish the cover to give it a veneer of competencythere is a lot about it that i would do differently in hindsight and i've got to admit that the dislike of my own previous work is the best motivator to keep writing on my next one, if i can keep this cycle of shame going for maybe 20 or 30 years then perhaps i'll have a good book
>>17628978you've gotta be underage. do you also have strong music opinions? lol.movies are on a scale of 'Bad' to 'Cute.'no movie can ever be any better or worse than that. to think otherwise is to admit that you have a very hollow life of your own
>>17629009>goes to /wg/>copes about how writing is a meme bro, get a hobby lmaoatleast the rest of us write>but writing is a waste of time!lazy cope. do something with yourself lest you become >>17628982
>>17629030If you're only takeaway from that is that 'writing is a meme' and a 'waste of time' then you're just a fucking moron to be honest.
>>17629016Why don't bloggers start a discord about themselves or get a twitter? >doesn't open discussion>doesn't help or ask for help>doesn't offer an opinion>doesn't use his personal experience to share a conclusion with everyone>just talks about themselves in a closed statementGood for you I guess? Do you feel better now?
>>17629009You're coping because you are unable to create anything of your own, you've consumed too many children's cartoons to think properly.>>17629014If you truly think all films are equally good then you really are a fucking retard.>>17629022Not underage and i don't feel particularly strong about music. You only see films in the two categories of bad and cute and say that i am shallow? lol
is anyone still in this thread except catty bitches arguing? would anyone like to give a thumbs up or thumbs down on the opening of this short story i just started?>snow makes his hands hurt.>first the bones ache, trembling with the vibrato of a chain link fence that one kicks without a thought. this pain seeps outward, through the muscle and the ligament, through the tendons, finally breaking the skin, which does crack and fray, exploding into a billion paper cuts. those red lines of blood that cut up from underneath his flesh make him ashamed, as do the flakes of skin that peel and chaff. still, he’s never once thought to put on lotion, not because he’s a masochist, but because he is like a child— as naive, spiteful, and oblivious as a little babe, and to put some balm on these ugly hands would be to concede his haughty toddler pride to the grooming norms he has spent the whole of his twilight years ignoring.>no one pities him, and it is this point precisely of which he is most unaware. an old man like him, with 30 degree hunchback, cane-crippled, always wheezing and speaking in the harsh rasp that makes every breath a strain— he thinks these things make him lovable. “who could not love an old man such as me?”, he does not even think this thought, it is a subterranean thought, the kind of thought so unspoken that it becomes like an assumption by virtue of its habitually being half-thought, an axiom one that dares not notice lest it seem ridiculous when observed.
ive never really written before, been interested in trying No fucking clue where to start. Are there any basics i should look into first or should i just start writing?
>>17629153Before asnwering that, do you read a lot (or at all)?
>>17629147The word 'scale' that I used in my post about bad and cute films implies a spectrum. Much like how your series of posts also implies a spectrum.
Hey is it okay if I name my character Pokemon Jones in my story? I'm not sure what else to call him. I haven't really read any books to be honest, the only thing ive read and the only book i own is the novelization of 2001 a space Odyssey. i re read that a lot especially when i lose internet
>>17629153Read the op.
>>17629153Don't listen to these people telling you to just write. Pick up any traditionally published novel and take note of how it uses punctuation (especially when it comes to dialogue), how often it uses paragraph breaks, and the use of verb tenses. These are the most common beginner mistakes. Then, just write.
>>17629177No, and no. People keep telling you to change the fucking name.
>>17629177Dropped the fucking name it’s retarded as fuck. Pick a normal name, I don’t cRe which. Anything is better than the one you have right now.
>>17629177>Pokemon JonesYou have to be fucking baiting if you can’t see how this name is horrendous.
>>17629287>he doesn't knowNo one tell him about the autistic.
>>17629293Even fucking autist knows not to name one of their character’s name Pokémon.
>>17629287I like the name, although it would be better in a self-aware story.
>>17629309No it wouldn’t. Change the fucking name and stop looking for excuses to keep it.
>>17629304You really don't know, do you?
>>17629323>>17629304>>17629293>>17629287>>17629243>>17629191do you have suggestions on what to change it to?is my writing even good so far?>>17629309so my story isnt self aware?
>>17629337>do you have suggestions on what to change it to?Literally any normal name would suffice. What’s so hard to understand that?
>>17629293How am I autistic you dont even know me
>>17629361The fact that you keep on insisting on keeping the name Pokémon even though people keep telling you to change it, tell us that you’re autistic.
>>17629354I just want to know why it doesn't work? I'm not a pokemon fan but something about the name, 'Pokemon Jones' unironically rolls around in my head in an appealing way
>>17629361If you think Pokemon Jones is a good non facetious name then yes you are.
>>17629375b ut is the rest of it ok? maybe you will agree with me when you contextualize it into the work
>>17629373I had an idea to call a character Billy Wheels. His real name is William Wheeler. Its funny. That's all it is. Pokemon Jones is just some private inside joke you have with yourself. Unless that's his nickname, because he was some retard kid who was always going around playing those Pokeman games, don't call him that.
>>17629403No. And as that other anon said, stop trying to find excuses to keep it.
>>17629415>>17629404so what's a better name for the character? do you guys remember?
>>17629442Any normal name. Doesn’t matter which.
>>17629158I love reading, dont find things that interest me enough to read often though>>17629190Will do
>>17629446what is normal?
>>17629475Good lord, you really are autistic or baiting.
>>17629475anon do you have a normal name
>>17629454>falling for the study memeEspecially if you're brand new, you should write first. Just a short story, something you can finish in a night. Bash out some garbage, read it over and then read something goodStudying what is correct helps a hell of a lot more if you know what's incorrect
>>17628887no writing these few days, just reading. gonna polish my shitty ass story one last time this week while trying to come up with another one. shit is hard and discouraging but i'm doing it still
>>17622427No one asked loser
We need a new thread.
>>17622427>/pol/ tier fictionGenuinely curious as to what this is