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>>17270866why do pseud larpers hate genre fiction?
>Eternal damnation can't be THAT bad, right?By the way, this is the OFFICIAL soundtrack for the last chapter of TUC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idn50Xj_CiYBakker literally quotes it in the chapter epitaph.
>>17270877what's genre fiction?
>>17270917any type of fiction that can be associated with a genre (fantasy, sci-fi, horror, mystery / crime, romance, etc.)
>>17270933literary is a genre, thus genre fiction.
>>17270912>And they'll tell you black is really white>The moon is just the sun at night>And when you walk in golden halls>You get to keep the gold that falls>It's Heaven and Hell, oh no!
>>17270935literary isn't a genre retard. literary = a class of writing or an approach to writing.
>>17270935>literature is a genreSo this is the intelligence of an sff-fag
>>17270912Why did he do it bros?
>>17270935do you want to be autistic or do you want to be realistic?
>>17270945>>17270946>>17270960The literary genre has its own set of rules, tropes, expectations, and everything else that genre fiction has.
Thread question: Compared to movies and videogames, writing has a very low financial and technical barrier to entry. Why is it then so fucking hard to find competent authors with consistent plots? in the context of sffg, It's been over 50 years and (arguably) nobody has surpassed Tolkien and Asimov. There's so many stories that haven't been told. Non-vancian magic is barely explored. Fish-out-of-water archetype is mocked for being cliche and yet I haven't seen it pulled off well more than a couple of times. What the fuck is going on?
>>17270952He genuinely wanted to save the world.But despite all his power, he was still just one man, surrounded by the darkness that comes before.
>>17271010Your willful ignorance, narrow-mindedness, and refusal to accept what is what's going on. Among various other issues.
>>17271010but compared to movies and video games, have they done it better than books?
>>17270877The puh-sood is a consumer of art codified by institutions. These untermensch have been conditioned to believe that art is important, but cannot recognise it
>>17271046>see what's really going on is that you won't actually tell me what's going on, that's why you don't know what's going onJust scream jews and fuck off already.
>>17271068Not everyone who disagrees with you is /pol/. You really ought to address your persecution complex.
4Chan X, guys. It's great. You can filter unwanted posts. Plenty of those ITT.
>>17270989Please expound for me on the shared tropes and expectations between Ulysses, A Confederacy of Dunces, and Anna Karenina
>>17271078Filtering newfaggotry doesn't magic it away.
>>17271046accept what, exactly? I'm asking genuinely. I'm GRRM and Rothfuss can't even finish their shit, Sanderson's tedious systems miss the point of fantasy, Sword and Sorcery peaked and disappeared from public acclaim, you can feel how old A Princess of Mars is whenever you read it.>>17271057I'd say they have, only when they truly capture the essence of the medium. Dwarf Fortress, Minecraft and Morrowind do much more to capture the essence of fantasy and exploration than their older counterparts (talking about videogames, specifically).
>>17271083Why? It'd be wasted effort on my part.
>>17271057is that a function of the medium though of the story itself?
>>17271093You're primarily about video games and only have a passing interest in books. Naturally you're entirely biased in their favor and probably for visual mediums in general. There's nothing wrong with that, but it takes a severe lack of self-awareness to go on about it as you have.
>>17271010Why are you invoking Asimov as a master of plot when his best plots were just cribbing noir? Asimov is hailed as a scifi legend primarily for his revolutionary ideas on roboticsTo actually answer your question I expect a lot of talented writers get wasted on multimedia industries. Being a 9-5 writer is much more stable than being a novelist
>>17269907>dûnyain>strong in intellect, weak in spirit, need abominable sorcery just to make a difference in the world but damned irrevocably, think they can actually save it>scylvendi>ridiculously strong souls, turn themselves into living ciphrang, will go to hell and make a cool dominion for themselves as soon as they die, embraced the warm embrace of mog-pharauYeah, I'm thinking my old boy Cnaiür was the based one all along.
>>17271120You assume far too much, I only expanded upon my opinion on videogames because >>17271057asked.>>17271128I never said Asimov was a master of plot, I specifically talked about consistency.In general, I just wanted to start a discussion as to why it seems like most fantasy sucks, maybe it's a consequence of people learning from fantasy to write fantasy instead of starting from the classics, or maybe it's just Sturgeon's Law.
>>17271155It doesn't suck, you simply don't enjoy it. Your personal opinion isn't consensus opinion.
>>17271174I don't want to start a shit flinging contest. Let me rephrase then. Is there something you'd wish would change or improve in modern fantasy? For Example, I wish epic poetry would make a comeback to the mainstream.
>>17270866I'm looking for Robin Hood Fantasy. As in Robin Hood meets Fantasy. Does anybody have any recs?
>>17271191When was it mainstream?
>>17271274Like 1200 years ago lmao this faggot
>>17271270The Lies of Loche Lamora
>>17271320A while ago an anon said it was ruined by the main guy cucking constantly for some love interest character/
>>17270952Why wouldn't he do it?
>>17270912>Sorcerers of madness telling me the time>Child of God sitting in the sun giving peace of mind>Fictional seduction on a black snow sky>Sadness kills the superman, even fathers cry>Of all the things in life I value most of all>I look inside myself and see my world and know that it is good>You know that I should
>>17271135My favorite scene with Cnaiür is where he reunites with Moenghus Jr. It's practically heartwarming... beating the living crap out of his long-lost son is the only way he knows how to express his fatherly love.
>>17271330That happens mainly in the 3rd novel, where the author was basically writing about his failed marriage. The 1st book however is fantastic as a standalone and should be left at that.
>>17271349Sweet Seju, it's like he stole the entire plot and aesthetic of the series from this one song.
Bakker is the only author to portray simping and cucking for the miserable thing that it is.Did Sorweel get the pussy in the end though? I can't remember.
>>17271392Yeah, Chadweel was a two-time champion of the Serwa bowl.
>>17271320I meant as in Robin Hood and his Merry Gang are actually in it and the setting stays the same.
>>17271403The Once and Future King
Is the kingkiller chronicles the most over rated POS in fantasy?The main character is the biggest mary sue I've ever seen
>>17271427I very strongly dislike Sanderson, but Rothfuss is even worse.
>>17271320only the first book is any good
>>17271417That's King Arthur.
>>17271427>>17271447I don't think Kvothe does anything too out of the ordinary within the confines of young power-fantasy (Quentin form The Magicians comes to mind). The problem is how he can be Coldsteel 9001 but also grovel at Denna's feet and claim he's just a humble bartender now.The LSD tree and black orb-spiders are the only things making me look forward to the final book, though I'm sure I'll be disappointed.
>Be Covenant>Be misanthropic leper who hates life and society (The typical 4chan user)>Get transported to fantasy universe and is cured>He thinks that he's dreaming and its all bullshit>Random woman shows up and tells him he's not dreaming>Thisiswherethefunbegins.jpg>Commits one of the most horrific acts and single handedly destroys her mental state>Despite this, he's still the hero and chosen one>You root for him for the following nine books as wellHow did Donaldson get away with it?
>>17271467Yeah but Robin Hood is in it
Anyone read this? It's pretty violent, edgy, dark and post-apocalyptic. MC is gay. Not really up to Bakker's level at all though, it's more pulpy, sword&sorcery than le epic high fantasy.
>>17271508Thanks for the rec though
Take the chinkpill
>>17271537Give recsI tried the Poppy War, couldn't really get into it
I've been liking EE more than I thought. The world feels different and dynamic enough for fantasy and they're easy to read through, not too long either. I'm sure I've gotten more out of it, learning about the Elders, and I've got this Ozriel conversation to finish so that's sorta neat. It doesn't feel as in-your-face as cosmere does. The flashbacks feel redundant at this stage. Yeah sure seeing how/why the crew met/joined is okay and all but it's book 3, this should have been taken care of by book 2 at the latest. That, their overall motivation, primarily that Ach'magut encounter. At least the crew plays off each other well enough and there are a lot more candid interactions than I'm used to, which I prefer and tend to find lacking in most sff.Urzaia literally saying he was noble is eyeroll.I want to read more scenes with my daughter Bliss.>>17271540Did you try A Thousand Li?
>>17270866Six Wakes - Mur Lafferty (2017)A murder mystery where the generation ship crew, six people, wake up in cloning vats wondering what happened and what or who killed them all. They don't have any memories beyond boarding the ship, but they see a few of their aged corpses drifting nearby. This isn't an ordinary crew, each is a criminal, some with multiple life sentences.I'm biased towards enjoying set-ups like these, Danganronpa and Dark Matter for example, so I was willing to overlook flaws that otherwise would have detracted.The dialogue is a problem, but I've come to accept that the disconnect between what the characters are saying and who they are is the current fashion. The purpose of this may be so that they're personally relatable to the reader regardless of the characteristics of the character. I often have a problem with how centuries old characters act. One example is whether they'd make pop culture references that were outdated by centuries by the time they were born centuries ago.The other primary flaw is that author shifts narrative perspective as required to prevent the reader from learning certain information until it can be later presented as a Big Reveal. Normally this would bother me. It didn't with this book.I enjoyed all of the characters, how the reading flowed well, and the plot with its many convolutions, several of which were silly. Doing backstory chapters (or episodes) for every character is hit or miss for me, often I'd prefer to continue the momentum of the main plot, but it worked well enough for me in this case. There are engagements with philosophy and religion, but nothing in-depth to where it takes a central role. The ending was equally ridiculous and hilarious and I appreciated that.Overall, this was a fun read, which usually is more important than anything else for me and does a lot towards mitigating any concerns that I may have. If I forget that I'm reading a book and the hours simply pass by, that's a sure sign that I've been enjoying myself.Rating: 4/5
>>17271540The Poppy War is a lot of bullshit for little payoff though the pacing isn't terrible.I liked Unsouled/Cradle1 but its pretty basicI'm reading C.Yu's translation of Journey to the West right now and its obviously better than any modern chinkshit
>>17270866you made this thread because you're a whore
what are some GAR books?
>>17271864for Gay Ass Retards I recommend anything by Terry Goodkind>>17271928Conan The Barbarian
>>17271951>Getting filtered by Richard Rahl
>>17270866Why are they stealing an espresso machine? Or is it a samovar?
Shit on it all you want, but rarely any books can compete with Harry Potter's world building
>17272293Not even worth a (You).
>>17272293>lmao portable time machine that will never be brought up again>enormous botanical and chemical knowledge and none of it ever goes to the real world, not even by evil wizards>all the post-book additions to canon>transformation potion that could destroy sociopolitical cohesion worldwide, even demonstrated in the last book/movie, apparently never exploited.no
>>17270866Red Rising was awesome I don't care what you jerks think!
>>17271515>MCI assume you meant "main character"(?).Why did you choose to make an acronym out of a phrase, a syntagm, which contains only two words, none of which even containing more than three syllables. Why?Why do Americans, assuming you are American because I have mainly seen Americans use acronyms for literally fucking everything, do this? Why do you belittle and dumb down your own language which later only results (look around if you want proof) in a nation of literal worm-brain, slobbering retards? What the hell is wrong with you?No wonder that it is never even going to be you absolute disgusting mouth breathing, shit stain blockhead McMutt™ protestant retard, die in pain and misery fuckwit.Kill yourself and eat a dick, faggot.
>>17271135>need abominable sorcery just to make a difference in the worldcitation needed
>>17272422lmao if u can still understand him it's good enough, simple as.
>>17271076>bringing up a boogeyman I didn't nameSounds like they're rent free in your head bud, I just know JQ psychos when I see them.
>>17271515Isn't he the one who did Altered Carbon or am I misremembering? Those books were pretty good, might have to check this out.
>>17272293Nix unironically shits all over Rowling's worldbuilding in multiple settings.
>>17272422>Why did you choose to make an acronym out of a phraseLurk more. Take your meds.
>>17271515Yeah it’s super pulpy. It’s pretty ok, but it also felt like he was trying too hard to be grimdark, especially in the later books.
>>17272422y u mad tho?
>>17271010>Non-vancian magicLess opportunities for plot complications
>>17272478>>17272590Because I don't think it's ok to accelerate the retardation of the English language. People like you are the reason why western civilization is collapsing. I am not lazy enough to make an acronym out of 2 words and I am trying to save western culture from destruction.
>>17272656>trying to save western culture from destruction>by shitposting with grammatical correctness on a Panamanian spearfishing forumCool story bro.
Malazan > WoT
>>17271638So its Among us: The novel??
>>17272422You have to be 18 to be on 4chan
>>17272099In the future, they grow babies in artificial wombs. And politically important babies are target for kidnappers.
While reading Book of the New Sun you learn that Jonas is actually a robot who was badly damaged and has been forced to use organic parts to fix himself. So now I'm wracking my brain and I can't think of a single other example of a reverse cyborg in fiction.A fully synthetic being who is slowly becoming more organic. The Androids from DBZ and Cylons from DBZ are organics with synthetic components. Pinocchio is completely changed from wood to flesh, not piecemeal.
>>17272998meant Cylons from BSG.
>>17272998Most of that would probably be buried under "synths" rather than cyborgs.
>>17272998there's a doctor who story like that I'm pretty sure, the androids of something
What am I in for?
>>17273069edgy, pretty good, there's an epic male waifu who gets turned into a female body.I kind of lost interest once the powercreep got too bad so they had to reset the MC to where he started to get more chapters out of the story
>>17271091Reporting also does nothing and since mods won't act there's nothing else to do except filter the thread.
>>17271427You are a pleb that does not understand the type of character Kvothe is. Kingkiller Chronicles is overrated because it is unfinished and stalled out in its second book due to the author being a giant hack who ran out of ideas writing his debut trilogy but still likes to pretend he's a bigshot author despite not writing anything in a decade.
>>17268129Jesus Christ in heaven. Sanderson is reusing the same scenario from earlier in the book, with the same character dynamics. And he's re-explaining them all over again. He's re-explaining EVERYTHING. Why can't this motherfucker just tell a story, instead of explaining the logic the the plot again and again. I'm dying here. This book is so bad. But I have to finish it.
>>17272656That acronym has been used on 4chan longer than you've likely had hair on your nuts, kid.
>>17273112You should be able to read 200,000 word count book in three days easily, sweetie.
>>17273112stop reading trash authors, mayhaps?
Bros, how do I write good characters that aren’t generic stock? Every series has its orphaned hero, its wise wizard, its jaded rogue, its beautiful princess, its evil darklord. How do I play with these archetypes just enough to make them fresh and original?
>>17273194>Every series has its orphaned hero, its wise wizard, its jaded rogue, its beautiful princess, its evil darklord.no they don't, try reading stuff that isn't bad or 70s tolkien clones
>>17273165Oh sure, it's easy with audio. But what does ease have to do with enjoyment? This book is killing my with its constant explaining. Characters will say exactly what happened, and why it happened. And then immediately, the narration will reiterate what they just said. And then a couple chapters later like an alzheimer's sufferer, the same points are covered again in a near identical fashion.>>17273172How can I know the author is trash if I don't experience it?
Does /sffg/ have a list or chart for book recommendations that doesn't include any woke garbage? I'm sick of finding new books in which the main plot involves some nigger, faggot, or woman struggling to fit in with muh patriarchy or getting involved in some faggy relationship.
>>17273194Your generalizations reveal how little fantasy you've read. Or that you simply stopped reading anything published after 1985. So I guess your first step is to correct that and actually read more fantasy before you start generalizing about it so wildly.
>>17273333Reddit has been kind enough to rank books based on sexual violence.You can find the database here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hQi6C2RQvjGzjSoXU0D063fCFcz1wCHXFUe7PfEsGrk/edit?usp=sharingBasically woke authors will have less sexual violence
>>17273277Audio?Just keep reading the book.Even if you read only 200 words per minute you can read that book in 17 hours total.
>>17273411I'm listening to the audiobook. The length is about 27 and a half hours. It'll probably have it done in two more days.
>>17270877Genre is only one letter away from Gene
>>17272293You are wrong. Harry Potter's worldbuilding is somewhere between poor and average. However, it's settings, locals and characters are engaging, at least to the younger market (which is fine, I guess). Not /lit/, but they definitely did a good job capturing that in the movies. I've been around Oxford a few times for work and even though I've only seen the Potter films 1 or 2 times, the locations really jumped out at me.
>>17273404Hasn't been updated at all since I last looked at it months ago, probably abandoned, and it has barely any authors on it anyway.
>>17273333Just don't read anything published in the last 20 years>>17273194I have some unfortunate news for you. You aren't going to make it
>>17273112What I did not much care for is the whole "will power over reality" he had going in that one. hungry? just pretend you are not
>>17272293Potter has shit world building. its fine for kids book but it has very little internal logic and the society is not believable
>>17271494I dont think he did. What mostly got me was how tiresome the writing was.
>>17273083Yea I’ve never liked power resets I read Devil’s Cage and each time he goes to a new dungeon world he starts from zero EssentiallySeems more like authors not planning things out well
>>17271638Thanks anon, I think I’ll give it a read.
>>17273404Wheel of Time has rape?Please tell me it's Egwene, repeatedly, with a knife.
>>17273673i think a woman rapes a duderepeatedly
>>17273706Women can't rape though.
>>17273673>>17273706>>17273710>There is a man who is raped by a woman and several characters insist he got what was coming to him because he was a known womanizer>Shaidar Haran raped some female Forsaken (and probably others), Morgase was raped, and of course the controversial Mat and Tylin rape-sex.Combined with the Aes Sedai spankings, bondage, and what have you it sure seems to me Jordan was writing with an erection the entire time.
>>17273574Man, I must be the only one on /sffg/ that enjoys Thomas Covenant
Why haven't you started your own YouTube channel to make money on nerds by repeating anecdotes from books?
>>17270936Fool, fool! You´ve got to bleed for the dancer
>>17273814It was funny when Alt Shift X started insulting the show. He tried so hard to stay as neutral as possible throughout all of his videos. Going for the "informational" style of presentation. But the show was so bad, that even he started to break structure and shit on it.But to answer your question, it's because I listen a number of those guys, and they all repeat the same material again and again, desperately trying to maintain a money making audience. Which seems like an insane thing to do.Though, if I were to bet on a book to start one of these youtube channels for, I would bet on Wheel of Time. As that show has a chance at becoming popular. And Cradle, which I'm expecting to get an adaptation any day now. It's a very popular book, and the material would be very easy to adapt.
>>17273909Not the guy you were replying too but I was kind of surprised that I didn't see this type of thing happen when The Witcher came out. It's extremely popular but people seem content to just do the millionth "Toss a Coin" cover
I want to read Dark Souls: The novel
>>17270866will j. r. r. martin ever finish ASOIAF bros?i want to start reading it but i hate unfinished book series
>>17274037Obviously not.Everyone is just waiting for him to die now, so that someone else will push out the series quickly.The way he is going though, he should only have another couple years left in him, if he is lucky.
What do you guys do when you've read all of the old-school/essential SFF stuff?Move onto modern/Reddit tier series?I'm looking at: The Lies of Locke Lamora - Gentleman Bastard seriesRed Rising - Red Rising SagaThe Fifth Season - Broken Earth seriesKings of The Wyld - The Band series The Crown Tower - Riryia Chronicles If you have read them, which are worth reading/not worth reading in your opinion?
>>17274005I've been looking for a book similar to Dark Souls for a long time. Only The Book of The New Sun gave me similar vibes.
>>17274128The Night Land>>17274115Read the more obscure old stuff, obviously
>>17274115By the time I have finished all the current old stuff, the new stuff will be old, meaning I can read it.
The Princess Bride is for kids and girls, right?Or is it worth a read as a big strong boy?
>>17274247The chad choice is to get over your insecurity and just read it.
>>17274247You don't have to tell your boyfriend that you're reading this.
>>17274037The next book Winds of Winter has a chance of coming out. But the one after that? Not likely at all.
You know it's really funny how upset many on this site got upset about Martin airing a slight disagreement with Tolkien.s way of writing
>>17274005No you don’t. It would make a shit premise for a book.
Hamilton's Void Trilogy. Is it better than Pandora's Star and Judas Unchained? Should I read Bakker instead?
>>17274525Obviously I didn't mean literal Dark Souls as a novel. I guess two must-haves would be a "dying world" setting and a very nebulous plot that leaves a lot of things up for imagination and interpretation
>>17274568Dying Earth? It's a weird mix of sci-fi and fantasy though
Do you prefer settings with tons of magic everywhere or where magic is super rare?
>>17273194What if you made them hot bisexual girls with big jugs?
>>17273003>tfw rewatched the ending again a few nights ago
>>17273989>I was kind of surprised that I didn't see this type of thing happen when The Witcher came out.because most people simply know about it from the witcher 3 or are vaguely aware the books exist. it's not really something for mainstream attention whores to latch onto for instant appeal.
>>17274115>What do you guys do when you've read all of the old-school/essential SFF stuff?Die. Seriously, there0s so much old stuff out there and you only hear about the greats.
>>17270866Is the Goodreads group actually worth checking out?
Daniel Greene wrote a book called "Breach of Peace" which is coming around April.How WOKE this shit is going to be, some smaller and gay version of Sanderson?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3cXWwpQHlk
>>17275382Isnt it basically the same trannies that are in the tranny discord?
Where do you guys pirate your books? Looking for 2nd Apocalypse by Bakker, specifically.
>>17275519Read the sticky and lurk most, fag.
>>17275519Lurk a lot moar until you've lurked the most.
Please recommend me a light read as I will be recovering from surgery next week. I have enjoyed Jack Vance, Dan Simmons, Frank Herbert, Lovecraft, C.A. Smith and Chinese guy of Three-Body Problem trilogy.
>>17275519Go to /t/ there is a fantasy books collection thread
>>17275405and they're in this thread as well
>>17274393The fact Martin says he respects and admires Tolkien seems to be completely overlooked.
Can someone identify who the faces on the covers of the second apocalypse books are?
>>17274109>so that someone else will push out the series quicklyWon't happen He has it put into his will that if he dies before finishing, it will remain unfinished. The way he writes, it's unlikely there would be enough material for anybody to finish it even if they went against his wishes.
>>17273673>Wheel of Time has rape?Why are people surprised by this? It seems like a lot of people have the impression WoT is for kids.
Bakkerfags.. why Bakker hates women so much?
Is sword and sorcery the closest fantasy to historical fiction? Stuff like Sharpe or Three Musketeers
>>17273404>Basically woke authors will have less sexual violenceNot necessarily. A woke author will still write the same drivel and still include a little sexual assault.
>>17271389Fuck E William Brown>>17274115>Kings of The Wyld - The Band seriesNo. Don't read that.
So let me get this straight.Our boy, the warrior proper actually studied the human faces of whom exactly? Back in school, I mean.this has to be the sickest part of the series until now.I’m on book 2 btw,
Settle an argument for me, /sffg/. How cliched is the trope of a fantasy setting where there was some huge catastrophe hundreds of years ago that plunged the world into darkness that society is only just recovering from, especially where that catastrophe was, like, a magic explosion causing a wasteland or crater?
>>17276475What the fuck are defective dunyain? Don’t answer if it’s a spoiler. In any case, this has been the most horrible part so far.
>>17276578Just the ones who weren't autistic enough. Literally underachievers.
>>17276593And when I thought that the Consult was bad, I come upon this. LMAO Not even Kellus’ fault. He was raised by cunts.
>>17275951... but we love him ...
>>17276463Every major series is like this.
>>17274554>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hQi6C2RQvjGzjSoXU0D063fCFcz1wCHXFUe7PfEsGrk/edit?usp=sharingFuck no, Enzyme bonded concrete saga is by far his best work. Void has to much fantasy, but it is okay.Go read John C Wrights "The Golden Oecumene" trilogy.
>>17276887Any names come to mind? That’s what I thought too, but I couldn’t think of any actual examples when pressed.
>>17277013Lord of the ringsStormlight archiveMalazanSecond apocalypse Magic explosion counts as being made by someone. All of those series have some sort of an apocalyptic past. There are many, many more.
>>17273909Is Cradle actually popular enough to nab an adaptation?
>>17270912Proyas did not deserve to get fucked as hard as he did.
>>17275883This is not true though.He recently mentioned that if he were to die before he finished, that he would like Stephen King to finish them up for him.
>>17277272Proy-boy was a self-righteous, holier than thou, faith-blinded retard. He had it coming, but he couldn’t see what a pawn he was sincd he was so drunk with power and faith... a place was prepared. As we say in Min-Uroikas, “Mess with the Kell, burn in the Hells.”
>1000 pages of fantasy smutIs it any good?
>>17275951tfw no bit titty blonde swayali witch gf
> tfw bashrag
More mindfuck sci-fi books like this?
Is the latest book by Abercrombie any good, "The Trouble With Peace" or whatever, the previous one kinda sucked.
>>17277343I don’t read children’s books
>>17277353Abercrombie’s not worth reading imo. He’s a sword&sorcery genre hack. Nothing of real substance or depth. Edgy humor that isn’t funny. He’ll be forgotten in 10 years.
>>17277370not reading it as a high-brow literary work, but the first trilogy was a fun read imo.New trilogy jumped from early renascence to the industrial revolution in 30 years.
>>17277361It's not for children. Book is honestly quite gory.
Maybe it's because i'm an internet-induced adhd zoomer, but i'm trying to look for interesting books to read, and all the settings and synopsis seem quite boring and generic. Having to spend various hours to know if the plot gets interesting beyond that doesn't seem like a good time investment.I'm also seeing plenty of people being disappointed by the second or third book of a series, and many other complaining about how some books are unnecessarily dense, so it's not very encouragingNeedless to say, I never read. The only books i've read (apart from the ones that are obligatory at school) is asoiaf, which I enjoyed quite a lot.I guess i'm looking for something rather original that isn't too dense>inb4 read x famous book that already has a movie/tv adaptation.I already know the story from the movie, so it's not particularly exciting
>>17277411So is Family Guy. So is the fucking Simpsons now. Violence doesn’t mean mature.
>>17274554Sci fi mixed with medieval telekinesis crap. Void was quite bad, but later books were pure shit. I don't recall exact name of books, it's about alternate time line in void. Something about the fallers.
>>17277353It goes way overboard with hypercompetent women - and I think Weber's MCs are believable.
>>17277434I dunno what to tell you if you think ASoIaF wasn't boring and generic.
>>17276919Salvation sequence is also not bad. Except that deus ex machina in the end.Or Great North road, that was also good. Maybe because it was short (in comparison to other his monstrosities)
>>17277436Doesn't sound like you read it.
>>17277411Not with that cover lmaoGo bother another general
>>17277343Can someone spoil this trash for me?
>>17277574The twist is honestly great. I wouldn’t want to spoil it.
>>17277584Please do. I will never read it so you might as well.
>>17277584>>17277343‘ate a self shill more than anythin’, Gardner, you sad hack.
>>17277618He’s so fucking pathetic. He created multiple accounts on good reads to review his own books.
>>17277691Did he give it all 5 stars?
>>17277691It's pathetic but i'd probably do the same-. Like, there's nothing to lose
>>17277718You lost your credibility >>17277699Yes. And those accounts only reviewed his books ,pretty much.
>>17277742I'd probably do the same but without making it so obvious. Review other books in each account
>>17277742He's a noob. He thinks people wouldn't notice that the people who reviewed his book only read his book.Should have pm'd high read rate readers and offered them a free copy for an honest review. Some would have picked him up on his offer, and the people that follow those people and would see the reviews, and the stone starts to roll.
>>17277773>>17277742>>17277718>>17277699Imagine putting in that much work to try to get people to read your garbage. And then coming on /lit/ and making everyone hate you with constant obnoxious self-shilling. When you could be spending that time reading and writing like a real author. Sad, Gardner, sad...!
>>17277343Wow! This book was great! And what a twist! 5/5
>>17275597Is Lovecraft worth reading?
i have dreams of dropping a mega innathread whenever i write my book in another reality and hoping anyone liked it enough to buy it :)
>>17277439How salvation, I hated the first fallers book. It starts so freaking well.
>>17277882It’s fine to self promote in a reasonable and respectful manner. What Gardner does is overkill, an abject mockery, and it has already backfired... No one’s going to bother with his garbage after the way he treats the board as his personal advertising space. Pic related is his “prose.”
>>17277434Read Book of the New Sun
>>17277434Revelation space is fast and has nice twists till the very end. You can clearly see that Reynold crammed years and years of worldbuilding in to this book. Reynolds "The Prefect" books are also fast read and good. The book that got me in to book reading is Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" , it has something fun on every page.You could also try reading Ted Chiangs and Greg Egans short stories, both are fantastic.Only Forward by Michael Marshall Smith is also a fantastic fastpaced book.John Dies at the End is nice and fastpaced.
>>17277908This is laughably amateurish. This is self published right? I find it hard to believe a professional editor let this slide.
>>17277013Wheel of Time immediately comes to mind.
>>17277908that disgusts memine would never be that atrocious, i promise
>>17278050>frogposter who thinks ASoIaF is good>touching hard sci-fi
>>17277908This isn't prose problems, this is basic grammatical mistakes. Prose is subjective, it's a style thing, grammar is objective, you either know how to use commas or you don't.
>>17278035The plot seems quite interesting , but a lot of people say it's a difficult read
>>17278113Yeah going from something with compelling, well-written characters to average sci-fi wooden plank characters is pretty much impossible.
>>17278123It's not that difficult. Just uses a lot of Latin and Greek to create new words which are easy to put together if you know your roots.
>>17278113>>17278124He said he has ADHD. I have ADD and problem with boring books. So I recommended him some books with many great ideas, that keep your attention. Since I'm somewhat autistic I don't care all that much about characters, though I do have a preference for Egans and Chiangs intelligent protagonist.
>>17278122What? It isn't unusual to incorrectly use grammar for stylistic reasons.
>>17271330it was and is, do NOT read the third book. locke and his buddy have the most buddy-feel i've ever read and the first book is excellent. the second is also good if you're ok with boats.the third is one of the worst things that has ever happened to a series, and if we could literally unwrite it and any subsequent books the series would be better off, just drop it after book 2, they're worth reading.
>>17278245And what stylistic reasons are there to randomly drop commas in sentences like caltrops in a hallway? If the intended effect is "it's supposed to be annoyingly punctuated" then I guess it's just not to my taste.
>>17278295Honestly I didn't like first book all that much, the main villain is so anti-climatic.
>>17278307Is that a truck?
>>17278245Breaking with grammatical convention is only forgiven if the result is pleasing to the eye and/or ear. Typically this is only possible when the writer knowingly violates rules deliberately in order to achieve a particular aesthetic end. There's no beauty on display in the sample text though, it's just clunky and awkward to read. If this was done on purpose then he should stick to writing ordinary grammar because he clearly doesn't understand language well enough to color outside the lines yet.
>>17277908What is it with midwits and way overusing commas and parenthetical phrases? This is something I've noticed with introduction to books too. Intros are also almost invariably written by failed authors, so I there has to be something about comma splicing and run-on sentences that seems smart somehow.
perhaps the real fantasy were the friends we made along the way
>>17278360Idea-flooding is when you give a person too many concepts to track individually. It's a way to cover for rhetorical or logical weakness. If the reader is spending all their brain's bandwidth just trying to remember everything you said they don't have any to spare to pick apart the details to realize they make no sense.
>>17278385Ah, that does make a lot of sense.
>>17273753there is no one alive who read WoT who could come away with any conclusion that did not include "this guy has a serious femdom fetish".
>>17278360We've compressed written communication into tiny boxes, people don't have much opportunity to practice long form.
>>17277353Abercrombie's writing is bluepilled cynicism, it's terrible and completely fake
>>17278400This kind of deceptive writing exploits good faith readers but is pretty transparent to anybody reading with an eye toward analysis. Unfortunately most people who read genre fiction are just trying to have fun reading and are going to pick up a book in good faith, so its easy for writing like this to proliferate, even become popular, especially if there's no widely circulated criticism of it.
>>17278385The funny thing is, that technique is actually quite useful in academia. However, it's usually used with a great deal more finesse. At the grammatical level it's obvious and clumsy, but when employed at the organizational level of an essay, it's a good way to pad your paper and avoid having to explain yourself. Only the most ardent and not-burned-out professors have the wherewithal to see through it.
>>17278433>bluepilled cynicismInteresting concept. A lot of "grimdark" writing tuned to current cultural sensibilities comes across as this.
>>17278470Writing standards in academia have gotten so bad there's a entire industry in teaching professors how to write understandable English.
>>17277343best book in thread
>>17277691No I reviewed one of them.
>review by Adam Whitehead
>>17277691I'm going to give it ***** just to piss you incels off:·)
>>17278797you will never be a woman
>>17277214It's hard to say. I don't really follow book sales. But it appears that Cradle's popularity is continuing to snowball.You can roughly of gauge it in the fact that the ratings for Wintersteel(the latest release) has the most amount of ratings on Amazon within the series. By that I mean, if you glance at the ratings for each book, you can see ratings dwindle from the first book down to the 4th. And then from the 5th to the 8th, reviews go back up again. With the 8th book having the highest volume of ratings. About 2.5x more than the first book. Meaning that instead of losing interest over time, it's actually gaining.That's only counting amazon though. It works a little different on goodreads. On good reads, you are actually seeing a straight decline in rating volume. With Wintersteel being the lowest. However, when you look at reviews, there's a different story. Again, you see the pattern where books 1-4 see a decline. And then 5-8 see an incline. Though the volume of reviews for 8 never reach the level of 1, the numbers are still close. And you have to take into account the ratio. Where the first book has 15,880 Ratings and 782 Reviews. Which is about 20 to 1. While the eight book has 6,689 Ratings and 635 Reviews. Which is about 10 to 1. Meaning that the reviews for Wintersteel are 2x more enthused than the reviews for Unsouled.Wintersteel was also nominated for the best fantasy of 2020 on Goodreads.https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-fantasy-books-2020?int=gca_signed_out_hpIt's low on the list though. Like 17th place. But the fact that it can even be nominated with the other big names is pretty impressive.Basically, what I'm seeing are signs of acceleration and growth for the series. It's a very agreeable series for a lot of people. So I predict it will continue to grow though word of mouth, as everyone recommends it to everyone else. The whole world and magic and scenarios of the book are perfect for adaptation.
>make up a cool sounding name>google it>it already exists
>>17278852I loved that show.
>>17278802neither will you
>>17278970I don't want to
>>17278852I steal all my titles from lines from other books I like.
>>17278984I steal all my ideas from other books I like.
>>17279031Great artists steal
>>17277434>I already know the story from the movie, so it's not particularly excitingDiagnosis: terminal faggotry
>>17270935>>17270989You're right. Literary fiction is a genre. But it's not genre fiction, except in the technical sense which ignores the phrase's idiomatic meaning.
>>17272455Keys to the Kingdom was so good. Never got into Sabriel, but I liked what I read of Lireal.
>>17274247Is this a kissing book?
>>17271558>AWAKENThat may be the best literal ending chapter/page/words/whatever I've read in a long time. Short and simple.Shuffles > Dross all fucking day
>>17273615Power resets are the worst. I haven't read much manga but it's hilarious how shameless they can be with things like power resets and filler content.>yep here's an entire arc about how the characters went to the beach
>>17277194It's part of the Western mindset and psyche
>>17272455Oh my god, I forgot about Nix. I read this series in middle school, it’s awesome as fuck. Necromancer core. I think there was a third book, I never read it though.
>>17279329>this>seventh tower>shade's childrenNix is king of true YA writers.
>>17270912So will Kell descend into Hell, rescue the souls who believed in Him, and set himself up a nice domain in Hell?Or is he just trapped in the Decapitant? Cnaiürjokli couldn’t find him.https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=WlfS-oakUxM&feature=share
I look forward to finally finishing the last 2 Second Apocalypse books someday so I might have any idea what the fuck you people are on about.
>>17278319not really about the antagonists, it's about the interactions between the two main characters.
>>17278433thank you, i wasn't sure why i didn't like his current stuff as much as his older stuff, this is exactly why.
>>17272293>>17272455>>17279329>>17279386For me, it's Lloyd Alexander
>>17279626Nice. I read Prydain multiple times when I was like 9-11. Shit was cash. Taran Wanderer is the best book in the series desu.
>>17279641I agree with you
Just finished The Thousandfold Thought. Not a huge fan of the fractured narrative at the end, for how uneven it's spaced, but the final 100 pages were amazing. If most of the setting wasn't already quite original (at least how tropes and inspirations, maybe, are rearranged to create something that feels new and unique) the sorcery is on another level. Whenever I read fantasy with magic and wizards I always find myself comparing it to TSA's. The linguistic theme and metaphysics alone to how magic works and is described are above the average fantasy.And I honestly didn't remember the writing being that consistent.Now I'll start the sequel trilogy, for the first time ever. I wish I hadn't accidentally read many of the spoilers you insufferable faggots have left, but whatever.I'd ask a few questions, like what's the the haloed hands and the trick of the heart after the circumfix ordeal, but it will probably be answered in time.
I'd like some critique, this is the start of my "fake-mythos" ala The Silmarillion, I saw some other anon claiming he was doing the same, so I'd be interested in comparing our stories.In general, I wonder if a story of this type is not sellable and I should just blogpost it somewhere. In the likely scenario that this sucks, let me know. I'd really appreciate some pointers to improve it, though.https://pastebin.com/d37FAC99 (Tried uploading pdf but got unsupported filetype)
>>17279738Desu I always used spoiler tags. It’s only your fault if you lack the restraint to open them. Kellhus gets salted.
>>17279738Whore after all.
>>17272422lmao how many autistic posts did you make in this thread?
>>17279790I got your spoiler when browsing the TSA forum. I got Aurang's spoiler from the fucking Wiki. I got the No God spoiler here.Most people spoil shit through images, copy pasted quotes, open discussion about critical shit. They just don't care. Just goes to prove how superior and respectful Wolfe bros are of this stuff and of its meme status. Bakkerfags act like retarded teens on a sugar rush.
recommend a fantasy series that takes place in the far future (non-dystopia)
>>17280148Iain M. Banks Culture Series
>>17279738>tricksoiboi athiest detected, it was real and it's never explained, just a miracle bro
>novel has fair prose, is paced well, has no plot holes or unforeshadowed developments, hits all the points its supposed to, and sets up a series that's sure to gain followers and do decently well>doesn't interest you at allWhat was that novel for you, anon?
>>17280246That kind of sounds like Sanderson. Books that set up a successful series and tie up nicely but are massively uninteresting.
>>17280428Depends on how positive you think "fair" is.
>>17280428Author of that green text, I meant fair as in "serviceable," nothing more.Whether or not Sanderson is serviceable, well...
>>17279329i'm still seething about the fact that the mc's didn't get together in the seventh tower
>>17280458Any book is a children's book if the kid can read.
>>17280501Milla was always too hardcore for Tal's pansy ass.
>>17281138There is literally nothing wrong with Cradle
>>17281187dross ruined it and MUH MONARCHS are boring
>>17281187abidan involved way too earlyuncrowned being half a bookdross humor for half the series nowlindon being subservient 8 books in
>>17281219Whoever made this has not finished TUC and realized what an utter CHAD our boy Sorweel is.
>>17281221literally everything about the abidan is boring and should have been cut out
It's been weeks and I cannot stop imagining I am Siri Keeton.Any other /sffg/ books with schizoid protagonists?
>>17279762Well its certainly psychodelic, is that intended? I think its a little convoluted. Creation myths tend to be more simple, like, at that point in time theres nobody to witness, so humans just make things up with some alegory mixed in.
>>17281323suriel and her stuff at the very beginning was kinda neat but then it became way too fucking forced throughout the seriesmad king and fisher thief girl? are they going to show up or affect cradle in any way? don't carethe vroshir? don't carethe only relevant events were the hound ramping up the dreadgods and that other retarded forgettable plot device that watched over the tournamenti think he thinks he needs to flesh out abidan in cradle
>>17278123If you get filtered by BotNS I can't help you. It was the first series I read after not reading shit for years. I didn't understand everything behind-the-scenes on a first read, but you're not supposed to ever understand everything about it. The plot itself is straightforward enough. It just gives you a lot of worldbuilding and history indirectly. Part of the fun is figuring that stuff out, but it's also got shit like decapitating captors on the back of an elephant and romance and fighting giants to keep you moving. You can google any words you don't know but most of the time you won't need to - the Latin and Greek is meant to be evocative, not exact.
>>17277908trying to read this is giving me a strokeplease tell me this is not a professionally published novel
Old Tolkien artwork or 60s-80s sf/f artworks are my personal favorite for the OP image desu. Newer book covers, anime and cartoons are less aesthetic and lead to poorer /sffg/ content imo.
>>17279762>in the beforetimeStopped reading there
>>17279762It’s a decent start. It’s VERY reminiscent of the Ainulindalë in the Silm. The names are interesting. The style is a bit ponderous. You’re describing a metaphysics very similar to Tolkien’s. Desu it would be good to push this further and make it your own. Tolkien’s metaphysics works for him. Bakker rewrote the book with his take on metaphysics. I don’t like Sanderson’s writing, but at least his cosmos is governed by distinct and unique forces. In you’re writing I’m not seeing that yet. Keep it up anon. Post more later once you’ve tightened it up a bit.
>>17281221>abidan involved way too earlyNecessary world building. It makes more sense on the second read through.>uncrowned being half a bookThis is probably the only real mistake in the series. As lingering tournament plotline got tangled into all these other things that would have been better off handled without the tournament. Still, Will Wight managed to force it all into a working story. And by the end of Wintersteel, all the events funnel into this single point. Putting the story back on stable ground again. >dross humor for half the series nowDross is great.>lindon being subservient 8 books inDon't confuse politeness for weakness. Lindon uses courtesy in order to get what he wants out of people. Disguising his ulterior motives. He's been that way from the very first book. and it's worked out quite well for him. But by the end of Wintersteel, he learns how to gain control by using a commanding tone. He's growing.>>17281212I liked them.>>17281400>mad king and fisher thief girl? are they going to show up or affect cradle in any way?First, Yes. Because they both threaten Cradle's existence. Since Ozriel's scythe can cut the world out at any time. And remember that the reason the hound came to cradle was to recruit "soldiers" to fight against enemies of the Abidan. So the general idea is that he's taking people from cradle, in order to fight against forces that threaten the existence of cradle.(and all things)I believe we're going to get more Abidan stuff next book. Because the hound isn't going to leave Cradle without getting new fighters. So I'm betting that at least one of the monarchs are going to ascend, if not two.But furthermore, anyone who is a sage or Herald can technically ascend too. So it's possible that Yerin and Lindon will reach the heavens, even if it's only temporary.
>>17281620I know nothing of this series but it sounds cool. You should meme it more.
>>17281625I don't "meme" things. Whatever that means.
>>17281641Memeing is the joy of shitposting. And a very fine joy it be.
>>17281641wtf are you doing on fourchannel then?
Give me the best modern Chinese FANTASY(not like Lord Dunsany, or MacDonald but more like Tolkien, in the sense not the precursors but the prime example)
>>17281652I'm still not completely sure what you mean. But I don't like it when other people go around forcing memes. So I'm not going to do it myself. If I happen to think of something funny or interesting or clever, then I'll share it. If it's relevant anyway. Just posting random Cradle memes would be annoying.I found this cool picture of the main characters. Got it off Reddit. But that's because /v/ doesn't produce any fanwork. I have to go to other sites in order to find Cradle material.Maybe that's what you can do. Go look up Reddit for Cradle memes.
>>17281677Mainland China is incapable of producing good media. I have tried to find an answer to your question many times, and the answer is that there is nothing of value
>>17281681Sorry, meant /lit/, not /v/. Didn't mean to let my filthy gamer identity show.
>>17281686I only tried it once with this high budget science fiction film by the Chinese. It was a shitshow.
>>17281720Hong Kong and Taiwan do decent work from time to time. Eat Drink Man Woman is a great movie, but not SFF unfortunately
>>17281730this, hong kong and taiwan culture >>>>> mainland culture.
Any similar books or recommendations for something in the same vein as the Hellgate: London series, or the Demonata series?
>>17278984get off /lit/ Abercrombie
I mainly read historical nonfiction and sci-fi. Which big fantasy series besides ASOIAF should I read? No urban fantasy/no Sanderfag.
>>17282116Prince of Nothing / Second Apocalypse
this scene was epic
>>17282116The Pillars of the Earth is sort of fantasy.It has a witch in it.
>>17281686I assume they have decent writers that are untranslated, and maybe decent comics
A shitty thread once again. Not enough Bakker posting.