Hey /lit/. I'm currently going through the (so called) "classics" and one author I'm wrestling towards the idea of skipping would be the famed Ernest Hemingway.When I went to buy my latest batch of books I checked out a few of his own but I didn't feel like reading "A Call to Arms" simply because I've read a lot of war books and I'm a bit battled out.Now my first hearing about Hemingway was in like.. Senior english class in high school? We read a really short story by him about camping in the wild and all that but before we did my teacher sorta went off on a monologue about how she really didn't like Hemingway, thought he was overrated and outdated, and that his works were way too overly masculine. So was that true? Is his work going to just be forgotten due to it's outdated and non-progressive views. Should I just skip it and move on or is his work detrimental to literature? What did you think of his work?
>>12764579To add on. I don't like the idea that he's "misogynistic". Simply because things people said and did like... 10 years ago are already considered to be horribly outdated. We're progressing, culturally, faster than ever. I guess the difference would be that compared to his time was he already out of line?
>>12764579Most people enjoy Hemingway. Your English teacher sounds like a psued. You really only notice those "non-progressive views" if you really read in between the lines. Other than that his work isn't ground breaking, but if you're autistically making your way through the classics like the people on this board then you probably won't find his books interesting.
>>12764725>but if you're autistically making your way through the classics like the people on this board then you probably won't find his books interesting.Why do you say that anon?
>>12764579Read Old Man and the Sea which is pretty short. If doesn't resonate with you, you would not find reading Hemingway enjoyable.
>>12764810No, that book is so fucking boring>>OPRead the sun also rises. It's so good.
>>12764579>Should I just skip it and move on or is his work detrimental to literature? >or is his work detrimental to literature?>detrimentalwere you looking for "essential"?
>>12764845Oh shit. Yes I was. Thank you.>>12764810>>12764819Hmm, I'll probably give them both a check out. I'll get them from my library and if I don't find them gripping then I'll just return them. I usually like to buy books but if I'm not sure I'll be hooked it's a waste.
>>12764579>his works were way too overly masculinewhat does this even mean
>>12764579For Whom the Bell Tolls is one of my top 5 favorite books I think.
>>12764871I dunno, never read them, but apparently it's a big thing with critics of his work.
>>12764883well, i challenge anyone to read FWTBT and not come away thinking he's a big ol softie
>>12764908I actually believe you. The thing about that whole "toxic masculinity" is that at the core of most people I've met that people describe as "machismo's" there's always a deep and sincere caring towards them. Like you said, "big old softies".As opposed to people who act like they care but you kinda get this deep unfeeling vibe from them. Really bizarre.
>>12764579Hemingways overt masculinity don’t take away from the fact he was a man in touch with his emotions and able to convey them in a piece. He tells good stories and though he is vastly overrated he is worth reading. I’d recommend a farewell to arms
>>12764928Thanks for the response. I'll make him a priority then.Though I'm curious why you think he's overrated? Do you think there are other books / authors that handle his themes well or...?
>>12764940I just wouldn’t consider him to be one of the best of all time. He has a distinct style but when people say he’s the greatest writer ever I think its a bit much. Even in his own time I’d say he’s outclassed by Faulkner, Steinbeck, Woolf, and Wharton, to name a few. That’s just my opinion though, and like i i said I do enjoy his writing
>>12764913Yeah you see this everywhere really
>>12764579There’s only one thing you must read by him and that is A Clean, Well-Lighted Place. That and maybe The Killers.
>>12764579I really fell in love with “A farewell to Arms”. Everything in it was just so great. Even the bad parts.
>>12764579Historically he is overrated but the pendulum has swung back at this point and he is back to being underrated.I've read a lot of Hemingway, here's my thoughts, beginner does not mean not good, just easierBeginner Tier:>The Sun Also Rises >Old Man and the SeaMid Tier:>A Farewell to Arms>Death in the AfternoonHigh Tier:>For Whom the Bell TollsGod Tier:>Old Man and the Sea (but you actually get it this time)>A Moveable Feast>Nick Adams Stories
>>12764810uhhh...how could that book resonate with anyone? nothing happens.
>>12764876I'm going to just skip to this book. I read The Sun Also Rises and The Old Man and the Sea and wasn't impressed by either. Hopefully FWTBT is as good as everyone claims it is.
>>12765215calling bullshit on the old man and the sea. there is NOTHING to "get".
>>12764579>a monologue about how she really didn't like Hemingway, thought he was overrated and outdated, and that his works were way too overly masculine.I never got the hypermasculine meme. Hemingway's primary themes were in defense of stoicism, not maleness. His most famous book features a literal eunuch.>>12764616>culturally, we're progressing faster than everI disagree. There is no indication that any development that's occurred in Western culture in the past, say, 10 years can be labeled progress. It's more a shotgun blast of sanity-shredding ideologies that all claim to be progress. There is less progress, if anything, if only due to the fact that people like your English teacher exist.
>>12765310>what is the iceberg theory?
>>12765322there's no iceberg in those pages. just a small ice floe.