It came as a real shock to learn that most gays IRL don't define themselves as bottom/tops and usually are willing to do both. Internet LGBTs are so different from IRL ones
>>31134174Yeah and they all also have multiple STDs
>>31134174normalfags are icky
>>31134174It seems pretty common irl too, at least where I've lived. Vers are definitely the majority tho. If I had to ballpark it, it seems like 50% vers 30% bottom 20% top
>>31134174sex havers r gross
>>31134174is that really true how can one person do both
>>31134174internet gays trying to copy hetero relationship dynamics is a pertty big reason why most gay zoomer relationships fail. the only way theyll get a dynamic like that is if they date a bipedo in their late 30s and at that point might as well be a tranny, honestly
>>31134174Wow imagine that, most people want to try various stuff to please their partner
>>31134302It's the cringey abuse fetish stuff that ruins it. I would be very happy in an exclusively top/bottom relationship but I don't want our sex life to just be about them constantly demanding cruelty from me. I don't think that has anything to do with heteronormativity, because afaik that is not how straight people fuck or relate to each other. I don't get why bottoms are so obsessed with that stuff.
>>31134174normies don't hate themselves so they can enjoy fucking and getting fucked and are secure with that fact and don't judge other fags as harshly as a consequence.
>>31134174Gay men are usually vers, both the feminine and masculine ones. It's not uncommon for drag queens to be tops for instance. The top/bottom dynamic was a joke gay men started then women and trannies took seriously.Women take it seriously because they like the idea of there being effeminate males who get fucked by masculine ones, you see this in uke/seme dynamics as well as in omegaverse ABO dynamics too. Trannies like it because the top being more masculine makes them feel as they're more naturally feminine.
>>31134536idk what a ukeseme is but as a straight woman it makes a lot of sense to me. and as a trans woman yeah that's a good feature. it just matches my experience there's a man and he's way more masculine than me and he's going to be sticking it into my hole. also since I have a vagina I don't have the ability anyway which again is the situation straight women find themselves in which makes it make so much sense
>>31134386A lot bottoms online autistic repressed trannies or are trannies rigth away
>>31134174In my local gay community gays do define themselves as tops and bottoms, but versatile is most common. Also, people here often seem to use bottom and top to describe personality (ie. bottom is being about fem and submissive while top is dominating masculine energy) cause rather than sex preferences.There's also bears and masc4masc (tom of finland guys, gymgays, leathermen etc.), but those guys have their own community outside general gay community (thus don't frequent same bars etc. as I do) and I know only one ToF type gay myself, but he does describe himself as bottom and is very much one despite being masculine bearded leather and jockstraps guy.
>>31134174My ex of 2 years was a strict top. So at least anecdotally, top/bottom is a thing that exists. It's definitely less of a relationship dynamic then it is just a preference in sexual activities.
>>31134386lol very few bottoms are like this in real life, you just only interact with people who are terminally online. unfortunately for you, since you are here and you think this place is representative of reality, you are likely also terminally online and will probably end up with one of them. RIP to you
>>31134763>very few bottoms are like this in real lifeIt honestly seems to be the majority. I do find some who aren't hardcore masochist or anything, but they're never looking for anything more than an nsa hookup. I don't really care about 4chan bottoms if that's what you mean. If anything people seem to be slightly less hardcore here, I at least see some people posting about wanting bfs and they sound nice, but they're scattered far around the world. I'm talking more about what I find on hookup apps and dating apps. I guess that's still "online" but I don't know where else to look. I do have friends and a social life but I don't meet many gay people. Idk how I'm supposed to find somebody nice to actually date and get to know and stuff
>>31134174I don't understand how it could be considered weird by irl gays, there are guys who are into vers and there are guys who naturally gravitate to one role right? I was clearly born to be a bottom and it feels weird thinking that other gays might think it weird of me to prefer bottoming. like, high pitched voice pale skin no muscles type shit idk
>>31134845u post ur asl as t. <whatever> shamelessly on your posts until the perfect one shows up (results will vary, but ive heard of it working!)
>>31134386BDSM is not "abuse fetish stuff" you FUCKING RETARD
>>31134386It's not abuse fetish a lot of times is jot even bdsm, just people with emotional needs
>>31134884Well 21 m indiana then, cis gay top>>31134900Whatever you wanna call it, I don't like the relentless demand for cruelty. It's not my style. There's some kinky stuff I'd like to try, but it's always just way too much, and spamming it on me in messages before we even meet just puts me off
>>31134976kek bruh where at? im in fishers/noblesville area
>>31134536>The top/bottom dynamic was a joke gay men started then women and trannies took seriously.This is how I've always felt. T cisgay. Took me a while to realize women think it's real , as well as extremely online virgin gays. And then i found this board and realized trannies self insert with it too
>>31134386It's actually not that common irl if I ignore terminally online bottoms on Grindr and shit. Most normie "bottoms" irl just want their holes filled and ass slapped while doing so, and maybe do that in return some other day.You see gay content creators rely on these abuse fetish slutty strict bottom tropes because their target audience isn't other gays, it's AFABs (cis women, gaydens, and theyfabs).
>>31135848I'm a trans girl and watched that stuff
>>31135862Don't care, didn't ask.
>>31134194fpbp
>>31135885The way you use afab aman is dumb, trans girls who like men we fall a lot in the afabs there
>>31135893MtFs are a tiny irrelevant minority, people who create that kind of content don't even think about you, just like they don't think about terminally online virgin gays who think that real gay relationships are just like yaoi. You're less relevant that even normie gays, and there's very few content creators with a large number of followers that target gays specifically because ultimately even gays are an irrelevant minority with niche interests/problems. So content creators who want to amass following usually target some flavour of androphilic foids while playing into some bs tropes such AFABs like.
>>31134174Just because a lot (not all) of them will occassionally/situationally top/ bottom, but they all still have a preference over one versus the other. Not a minor preference either mind you in most cases. Also if they do top or bottom, in some contexts it's not a regular thing, it's not like every time they fuck it's flip sex.>>31134229I remember study and it basically came out to >33% tops>33% bottoms>33% verse (dually between verse tops and bottoms)
>>31136232>I remember study and it basically came out to >33% tops>33% bottoms>33% verse (dually between verse tops and bottoms)You remember it wrong. 10% were strict bottoms, 10% were strict bottoms, everyone else was some flavour of a versatile, don't forget that there's 3 types of verses.
>>31136081you know you can just say “women” right?
>>31136282I'm nta and not bashing the study at all I'm just wondering where/when they sampled these ~400 men from and if it differs from community to community. That would be interesting to see.
>>31134174Idk how people are strictly top or bottom honestly.Im feminine yet still both topping and bottoming sound fun. Topping even more so.Isnt it in our male hormones to want to fuck things? you have to be seriously estrogenized to exclusively get fucked and nothing else
>>31136377Pre-transition I was very small, had long hair, presented very fem, and was a top too. But still prefer to get fucked by a large margin.>Im feminine yet still both topping and bottoming sound fun. Topping even more so.I noticed you said "sound fun" so if you haven't experienced either I think you may come to understand why bottoming is more enjoyable than you would think.There is nothing more exciting than being sexually devoured by a man you adore. Being found desirable, tasting this desire in such a real way as it builds up with every thrust. It's a very sensual experience and requires a level of vulnerability, and giving up control, while your man is taking it. It's so extremely intimate and pleasurable, it's not hard to understand why such an experience speaks so heavily to those of us with gentle spirits. Topping is if enjoyable for its own characteristics on the other side of the action. Topping really requires some male energy to really enjoy the subtleties of it. I think the bigger you and your dick are also help. But you'll see how it is anon. After a man makes love to that is.>>31136282Pretty sure Ive seen a few of these. This might have been it. I wonder about >>31136346 but also, all the verse might as well be considered bottoms.
>>31136751>all the verse might as well be considered bottomsyou might as well as well say all the verse might as well be considered tops.At the end of the day self reporting like this relies on self perception.
>>31136770Idk why but a lot of verses are just like coping bottoms. There circumstantially getting forced into topping, but they are at least willing to do it. Then I've talked to a few guys who said anything they could to minimize the fact they LOVED bottoming. Like it all just makes me wonder about men who ID as verse.1000 bottoms looking for a top as they say.... Being gay you just have to compromise with ehat you really want sometimes.
>>31136955There's no evidence this is significant in self ID though. These are anonymous surveys even with options for verse-but-PREFER-bottom, which would be exactly what you're describing >>31136282And by that same thinking, why are there then verse-but-prefer-top? I'm sure you would also just say these are "coping" bottoms but this is also from your own experience as a bottom.At some point, you have to take the self identification professed by others as legitimate. Otherwise what you're doing isn't scientific, it's just making a determination beforehand then bending all results to fit your own preconceived narrative.
>>31134900Yes, it is, you utterly stupid brain-dead cretin.
>>31137005I've just met way to many gay men identifying as tops who were all like "wow ur so small and cute Im going to tear you up >:)" but the minute I pull my fucking pants off and expose my 8 inch cock, THEY ALL fucking become a bitch. Like I see the lust in their eyes, there breath gets heavy, the whole dynamic changes INSTANTLY. I used to be a top, because every gay dude is just completely cock thirsty, like it was shocking for awhile to see every dudes nature flip lol a coin. If there's a nice cock around they al wanna taste. Like how can I take ID's seriously when every top has shown me they want dick in their was just as badly as I do?Oh yah and verses are even worse in how eager they are. I also heard this almost exact story from other femfag. I know these are just anecdotes, but like lets just be honest most gay men like to take it in ass, and Im sure many of them it's there actual preference.
>>31137374>I know these are just anecdoteswell yeah that's what they are, just anecdotes.Few events that are coloured by your own perception.By that same token how could anyone take YOUR self identification seriously?Honestly that's much more believable than your ridiculous claim that "all gay men are actually just exclusively bottoms."This also just seems to be an absurd view that I only see on /lgbt/, and not in any other gay community.
I wish I was vers desu because it seems more logical and bottoms often have such a shit attitude, vers guys seem much more chill. But I just don't want it up my ass
>>31134174what?11!
