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https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/Public%20Policies/2022/USPATHWPATH%20Statement%20re%20Nov%2014%202022%20NYT%20Article%20Nov%2022%202022.pdf
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>>28481636
pog, im 7 but my mommy wont give me pooperty blonkets
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>>28481636
The real danger of puberty blockers is that you'll end up a narcissistic low iq silver spoon zero empathy ass mfer with very little going for them other than their looks (which are lost with age) and the fact that they're a quirky autist with a tiny prick between their legs.
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>>28481735
god i wish that were me so much at least i’d have SOMETHING going for me instead of just being a narcissistic low iq silver spoon zero empathy ass mfer with very little going for them
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>>28481636
All youngshits start melting as they get older anyway, seems to me like puberty blockers fuck something up
Also what's with all the cute hon namefags?
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there should be more eyes on the nature of our bodies' plasticity and the fact we're all born as a female slate and seemingly can fluidly switch hormones and be mostly fine
some genetic engineering shit prison planet shit fr
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>>28481735
kek istg lupron makes youngshits retarded
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>>28481748
I mean same I guess but it'll never happen so it's best to just continue coping through blind unending rage
>>28481880
yes i unironically believe it does. so many youngshits are extremely retarded
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>>28481880
>>28481923
So there are side-effects?
I don't know shit about blockers.
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>>28481946
the side effect is that you become an insufferable backpfeifengesicht cunt
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>>28481636
It’s not a debunking, they admit to bone density loss but say “its not a concern” for whatever reason.
And their answer to the trans teens who have ostereoperosis and need walking aids is to say, since their pre transition bone density wasn’t captured, its impossible to say if puberty blockers caused the osteoporosis. Which is pedantic and dumb
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>>28482028
>they admit to bone density loss
no they don't. Did you even read the op post?
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>>28482028
do you know what sample sizes are?
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In south east asia many trannies start HRT in their mid-early teens and they still "pass", no blockers and no osteoporosis
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>>28482028
>trans teens who have ostereoperosis and need walking aids
I'll take "things that never happened" for 5 morbillion dollars
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>>28481636
you know you've got to be on some absolute bullshit if WPATH jumps on your ass. fucking hell.
All the fake concern about bone density, infertility, IQ are all fake. Hell, I've seen some people say that it gives you aneurysms and blindness! And you know what? The anti tranny retards eat it all up! Because any bad news about trans people, even if it's blatantly a lie, is good to them
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>>28482220
>All the fake concern about bone density, infertility, IQ are all fake.
Then why are all youngshits retarded psychopaths?
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>>28482265
good question
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>>28482265
>>28482578
seek therapy
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>>28481636
Isn’t the name of one of the drugs commonly used is Lupron and there were news reports of Women complaining about side effects like bones, etc.
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>>28482265
they're just being teenage girls
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>>28482869
>im a hon
>there is nothing i can do to about my make skeleton
>iwn pass
>iwn be loved
>trannies who don't have these problems are all terrible people who dedicate their lives to mocking me for their own amusement
>here take these pills that will subdue your creativity and make you unable to stay awake for very long
>that'll be $200
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>>28482929
yes, lupron has a possible side effect of bone density loss but that is an easily reversible problem by either the use of vitamin C and nutrients, or in the case of a trans teen, HRT.
The article that was released about the scary effects of blockers in precocious puberty was published by the same lady that made this article so I'd guess she has a bias against it.
Every medicine has possible side effects, like hormonal birth control and patients decide on a risk-benefit factor.
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>>28482265
have you never met a girl or a woman before?
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>>28482973
this lol. most early transitioners are like 30 at most. factor in that puberty blockers became on practice in the early 2000s and you realize that most youngshits who used blockers are literal children or young adults.
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>>28481789
>the fact we're all born as a female slate
Embryos have undifferentiated precursor organs. We begin as neuter and differentiate these basic structures based on genetic signaling and hormones.
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>sanest anti-trans person
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>>28482220
>IQ
Are there any actual studies that disprove any negative effects towards IQ?
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>>28483489
Yes there is no point in trying to talk with chuds. Only people who matter are moderates
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>>28483496
there's no substantial studies that show that it affects it at all.
https://transfemscience.org/articles/puberty-blockers/
I think that belief comes from the idea that blockers are used long term and therefore prevent any development from adolescence, including in the brain. I've seen people say that blockers permanently keep those who are taking it a state of childlike appearance, which is incorrect as well
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WPATH is actually moving in the right direction. Next year they will be dropping the term “gender dysphoria” in favor of “gender incongruence” which changes it from a mental to a sexual condition, hopefully shutting down some of the arguments that trans people have a “mental disorder”. They’re also reducing the number of referral letters you need for gender affirming surgeries from two to one.
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>>28483588
They should formally recognise the distress that being a hon causes and suggest euthanasia as a way of curing it
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>>28481880
it does
>>28482002
it's the low IQ and perma-13yo brain
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>>28483558
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5694455/
And in cis girls:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.00044/full
>I think that belief comes from the idea that blockers are used long term and therefore prevent any development from adolescence, including in the brain
It comes from the fact that systemic GnRH agonist will greatly suppress neurosteroid synthesis and metabolism, which is necessary for regularly functioning hippocampus neurogenesis and neuroplasticity. It suppresses not only the sex steroids, but critically important precursor steroids as well (progesterone, pregnenolone) which, in addition to being neurosteroids, have their own set of highly complex functions throughout the body.
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>>28481767
70 years of people using puberty blockers and somehow you're observing something no one else is? Hmm
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>>28483588
>WPATH is actually moving in the right direction.
for good or for bad wpath follows evidence based medicine.
Which has been generally bad for trans people because there was very little medical literature about them, but as more evidence comes in is going to get progressively better.


It's not a matter of wpath being anti trans and more a matter of them being overly cautious and applying the same logic use to approve something like a heart medicine or a cancer treatment or a psychiatric diagnosis.
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>>28483647
personally I don't believe in IQ but this study does show something
hm now I'm curious. Would HRT help sort this out or any form of supplements?
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>>28481789
Already plenty of quiet research on just how much hair sometimes but not always improves for transwomen who started with little. Nobody will thank us in a couple decades but we may well be the reason male pattern baldness narrows down considerably.
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>>28481946
The so-called side effects are essentially why they are taken: they cause a significant decrease in all changes associated with puberty.

What the media insists on not reporting is that these same drugs have been used for about 70 years to treat precocious puberty. We know what they do, how outcomes later in life go, etc.
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>>28482028
Bone density loss *compared with peers* (whose bones are lengthening, etc due to puberty). A lot of words to say that people on puberty blockers remain smaller while on them: the effect of blocking puberty.
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>>28482265
>Why are teenagers bold, outspoken, still learning social skills, and less experienced in the world than people in their 50s?!
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>>28483677
>Would HRT help sort this out or any form of supplements?
Yes, immediate HRT would ameliorate this because the brain is finally subject to an endocrine regime that supplies it with neurosteroids. Supplemental preg/prog, intranasally, would help as well. The solution would be to develop new GNrH agonist drugs that have highly selective properties, or which use molecular delivery systems (mostly inert structural modifications, e.g. in how some drugs are PEGylated) that prevent uptake into the brain.
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>>28483489
>We can't let Synthetics exist or the Reapers will get us

What a curious take.
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>>28483746
They're the same age as me and I manage to not be a cunt
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>>28483755
>that prevent uptake into the brain.
Actually this wouldn’t make sense at all given the mechanism of the drug. The answer would be somehow finding a way to selectively agonize GNrH in the pituitary while not affecting periphery synthesis in the brain. The extent to which the former affects the latter for neurosteroids, I’m not sure, so it may not really be possible.
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>>28481636
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't usage of puberty blockers already an anti-trans thing? Like the whole point of them is to give kids time to "figure out" if they are actually trans instead of just taking HRT?

So all these fearmongering articles are bullshit because these people don't want trans kids to have HRT as well/
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>>28483865
you're actually pretty right, yes. puberty blockers came at a compromise in the 90s as many feared that HRT was too immediate for trans adolescents. It's a decision that was partly based on politics and not health. However, since its been effective and proven to relieve trans teens, it became common practice.
That being said, HRT monotherapy at the onset of puberty would be the better option, however blockers shouldn't be dumped all together. Instead both should be presented as an option. For AFABs it should be common practice as puberty starts way younger for them and would give them some height
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>>28483796
well when you realize one of the core components of transphobia is the fear of being replaced and moving on from the old rigid standards of sex and presentation, it makes sense. One of the main bad faith actors in the GC movement believes that transgender people are linked to some secret agenda for transhumanism and calls trans people "synthetic sex identity havers". Really weird
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>>28483647
Begging the question: is this any different from what anyone experiences, pre-puberty?
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>>28483865
>Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't usage of puberty blockers already an anti-trans thing?
yes
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>>28484307
No, because your body is still synthesizing preg/prog and their metabolites in the brain, not to mention, albeit at a significantly lower level, sex hormones as well. Aggressive GNrH agonism suppresses all of this.
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>>28484363
>No
That is, yes it is different, but "no" to the implied presumption.
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>>28483865
stay awake and sober
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>>28482028
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>>28484407
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>>28483957
Thank you!!!
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>>28484408
this is what I'm referring to. I hope they do a new study soon and follow up with the subjects in the "trans identity in youths after 5 years of social transition"
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>>28483814

You're insane though
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>>28486117
wym? i have all of my mental faculties
>>28486150
i really want to but im too much of a pussy. i made some preparations last week but haven't made much progress beyond that. suicide is a lot of effort and it makes me so very eepy
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>>28486172

post selfie
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what makes the NYT article even worse is that the single "expert" they commissioned the "research" from is an epidemiologist who has no experience or connection with trans healthcare.
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>>28486324
cute!!
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>>28486650
HUGBOXERS
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>>28483668
>earliest transition possible
>still WIDE
>looking middle aged already
>literal baby dick so had to get botched
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>>28484408
or just start them on the HRT so you get the gain without any loss
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Side effects if a cis kid takes blockers for precocious puberty
>nothing

Alleged side effects if a trans kid takes blockers for transition
>permanent osteoporosis
>permanent sterility
>permanent castration
>permanent retardation
>permanent brain cancer satan death
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>>28483865
yes puberty blockers are just soft gatekeeping. the ONLY justification ever given for them is "Well it gives the patient more time to decide :)" which has never happened, ever.

Trans patients want to transition, and want actual estrogen or testosterone.
Their parents don't want them to transition, so they give blockers instead.
Their doctors don't want them to transition, so they give blockers instead.

Usually they're never even given blockers - they get put on 5 year waiting lists just to GET blockers. Asked meaningless questions in some bullshit screening ("rigorous filtering processes") once a year by some retard who also slips in asking what the 13 year olds masturbation fantasies are (blanchardianism).

Then they hit 18 still with no blockers, and are told they have to enter a new waiting list for adults, and start all the way at the end of the line again. It's deliberate. Probably only 1% of youngshits who enter the system are able to be ACTUAL youngshits, because they have rich parents who know how to game the system.
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>>28482069
a good portion of the trans kids at my school use walking aids. i'd say like 10%. about 20% of my school is trans, but i live in the sf bay area so obviously it's a little different over here.
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>>28488364
>about 20% of my school is trans
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>>28481636
>inadvertently pointing out that treatments maintain bone density thus showing trans women have an advantage in impact sports
Whooo boy.
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>>28488246
>Still wide
The average cis girl in America is thick or at least a little fat. if she was stealth, she would pass as some random cissoid chick.
Jazz was on blockers at 11 and began E at 13-14 I believe. I unironically can't understand people who don't think she passed. Maybe because I work around people and constantly see different individuals almost everyday I'm not completely disconnected from reality
>looking middle aged already
Blame her bad diet for this. Bitch literally had a fondue fountain in her bedroom
>literal baby dick so had to get botched
Skill issue. Should've rubbed T gel on it and went to Dr. Banks instead of butcher Bowers
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>>28488421
I'm just speaking the truth, I've never seen a youngshit who didn't end up looking weird. I don't care either way, I'm not a medical professional and I have no investment. Youngshits are too young for me to date and I'd never abandon midshit twinkhons like that.
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>>28488383
again im in a very very liberal part of the sf bay area so my school is certainly not representative of the average school. its mostly ftms and theyfabs.
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>>28481636
Erin Aaron Reed is an annoying fuck. Who care about Twitter
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>>28488336
>yes puberty blockers are just soft gatekeeping.
true. this was evident when a doctor who deals w/ trans patients in Arkansas revealed that she saw 100 trans adolescents in 1 year and only 16 of them got blockers. Evil shit.
>the ONLY justification ever given for them is "Well it gives the patient more time to decide :)" which has never happened, ever.
There are good reasons to use blockers like if it is too early to use HRT (this mostly applies to AFABs as their puberty happens earlier; around 9-10) blockers makes youngshits tall bc of the lack of sex hormones that close plates, right? use this on FTMs so they won't be manlets. I think they're pretty helpful in the case of filtering out some kids (even if it's just 1 or 2 so they don't turn into political detrans)
In the case of a trans girl who has socially transitioned at 5 and has never diverged from her identity, HRT at the onset of puberty should be the go-to. A dysphoric 14 year old trans boy? T immediately. Vice versa for a trans girl the same age.
Blockers should be used in the cases of:
-gender fluid AFAB who just came out & needs time to think whether going on T is the best decision.
-short FTM in need of height (HGH can also be used)
- a trans girl who chooses so (maybe she's not sure yet)
Enbies do whatever they want (IDC I'm not a huge gatekeeper)
>Usually they're never even given blockers - they get put on 5 year waiting lists just to GET blockers.
This mostly applies to the UK and some parts of Europe (Sweden, Norway, Germany etc) the only reay truly lucky ones there are the gender-conforming turboyoungshits or families w/money to go private.
In the UK, it's practically impossible to get blockers rn, fuck, even an appointment is hard to get. Look at picrel and see how fucked it is for trans kids there. Here's the experience of in GIDS for the parent of a 5yo trans girl. It's fucked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/wutrz6/gp_gids_refusing_referral_for_5yold_daughter/
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>>28488364
that doesn’t mean much though. do u know that they got osteoporosis from blockers? it’s more likely they needed them before for the wide range of conditions that require walking aids. i feel like being trans just goes hand in hand with having some kind of disability
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>>28488462
>I've never seen a youngshit who didn't end up looking weird.
idk what your metric of "weird" is but from what I've seen early transitioners look normal. I guess you could argue their tallness and (sometimes) apparent boyface is off-putting.
>Youngshits are too young for me to date and I'd never abandon midshit twinkhons like that.
There are 20yo + early transitioners out there and that has nothing to do with medical misinfo preventing dysphoric kids from experiencing a painful adolescence.
>I'd never abandon midshit twinkhons like that.
Good for you. Clockiness is cute. Yasmine Finney and Jojo Brown are currently my favorites
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>>28483673
>It's not a matter of wpath being anti trans and more a matter of them being overly cautious and applying the same logic use to approve something like a heart medicine or a cancer treatment or a psychiatric diagnosis.

and i am completely fine with this desu and only a retard would have something against it. like yeah lets just go ahead and go by the gospel of every coomer reddithon who promises she totally got DD cups and shrank her shoulders and feet with only four months of progesterone she's probably completely honest and not typing her transformation fetish porn onehanded
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>>28488246
her head is just so goddamn big, imagine how fucked she'd be without the blockers lol
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>>28489027
she'd look like her brothers. sometimes you just have a big head or long face. it happens.
>>28489011
overly gatekeeping isn't a good thing tho, especially when it comes to dysphoric youth. idc about hons who believe their feet shrank.
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>>28488689
>idk what your metric of "weird"
It's like instead of their bone structure and features becoming masculine they just don't develope at all and end up looking like little boys forever. Like I said I don't know shit, I'm sure there's probably some ideal way to control puberty that allows one to develope without becoming a man that we haven't figured out yet.
>that has nothing to do with medical misinfo preventing dysphoric kids from experiencing a painful adolescence
I'm just saying I have no skin in the game, as far as I'm concerned people can do what they feel they need. That's not going to change the fact that most youngshits look weird.
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>>28484408
So it's not bone loss.
It's lack of bone growth.
Which is the purpose of taking blockers in the first place
Right?
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>>28489355
>It's like instead of their bone structure and features becoming masculine they just don't develope at all and end up looking like little boys forever
okay I get what where you're coming from now. I do think some youngshits have a bit of an uncanny essence to them, especially those who were on blockers for a bit. I just don't really see the boy face thing. They just look like teens (partly because more of them are). I'd just give them time to grow into themselves
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>>28489401
the decision to use blockers was a compromise partly driven by politics, not exactly on medical advice, although it's not exactly a bad one :
https://transfemscience.org/articles/puberty-blockers/
and the war on it is completely politics-driven as well:
https://magazine.scienceforthepeople.org/online/hormonal-wars/
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It should be known that trans people who got blockers and hormones as adolescents and were affirmed early are the only cohort of trans people who are psychologically healthy. It's a war on trans happiness

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/134/4/696/32932/Young-Adult-Psychological-Outcome-After-Puberty?redirectedFrom=fulltext



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