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Previous thread: >>25710977

• Help, advice, guidance on meds and dosages
• HRT related medical experiences and research
• Availability and pricing of medications
• Rational and scientific discussion

See following post for a pharmacy list.

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▶ Blood tests by mail: https://www.letsgetchecked.com/ - DIY capillary blood samples. Expensive.
▶ Lab test guide: https://www.healthcare.uiowa.edu
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anybody have any experience in oral consumption of topical minoxidil apart from that guy on reddit? i've been on minoxidil for years with OK results. the topical application (even though i do it once a day) is a bit too much work but if i stop i will lose the hair im pretty sure.
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How soon after restarting prog cycle can I get a blood test to check my prog/DHT levels? What sort of levels for Prog am I looking for? What DHT level would be too high to need duta?
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>>25788095
How do you know you should increasing dosage of estrogen without doing blood test?
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>>25788442
You don't. Levels and time is the only way to know.
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>>25788442
you have to contact your ETHERIC FEMALE SPIRIT and have them assess your RE-MODULATED VIBRATORY ENERGY. It should be very simply for any real tranner.
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>>25788095
If you are rich just keep uping your dosage forever you'll just piss out the extra no problems
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>>25788554
Hormones aren't vitamins, that's not how that works.
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>>25788575
Prove it. Fuck I don't have that meme of the guy pissing on the floor super hard.
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>>25788985
Nah it's funnier to let people listen to you and die.
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I consume EVERY hormone in a 10 mile radius. My levels are in the TENS OF THOUSANDS. I am THE MOST BEAUTIFUL and COMPLETELY IMMORTAL.
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>>25788095
is there a downside to just doing 8mg sublingual with 2 4mg pills forever? I pass out when i get a shot and i there is no way i could ever do it to myself. Also i can get 4mg for free with my endo. Will get i worse results than injections or patches?
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>>25789248
Patches are worse than pills. Injections v Pills is arguable and primarily for convenience, though there is theoretical benefit to the way levels cyclee on shots compared to pills that you can't emulate with pills.
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>>25789462
i mean the pills dont bother me as much as the stress of injections would. It would just be nice to know how much of a difference in more consistent levels it makes. if its just mood and stuff or fat distribution, i dont want to permanently fuck up my breast growth by staying on pills too long.
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is there anyone who only got hair growth after adding fina/duta ontop of their hrt?
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>>25788182
I've seen people who take oral and grow thicc hair all over their face >>25788182
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does anyone from AU recommend a particular diy progesterone source?
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>>25789790
Go to bed ask in the afternoon :(
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Can I switch from 2mg oral to 4mg sublingual or is that a bad idea?
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is it true that you need to take testosterone if you end up destransitioning down the line or does T production resume like normal? heard some anons talk about this and it scares me
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>>25790392
Not unless you get an orchie that detrans trip making bordeline off topic threads is just an idiot who constantly talks about how lucky he is to be low t since birth (no facial hair, etc) and yet still talks about wanting to inject t but doesn't wanna go to the gym or actually get more masculine in any other way.
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>>25790377
I did this and it worked out fine, take one 2mg every 12 hours though
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>>25790544
ahh, so that means it's no problem if i do end up detransing 6 months down the line? not planning on it obviously but im weighing my options atm
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>>25790589
Not at all, though your boobs would be fairly sizeable by then.
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>>25790620
ahh, thank you anon!
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>>25791787
yeah, i have boobs and i've considered detransing. it's actually a major issue since I don't pass; i'm basically a man with boobs, which is not at all helpful to me
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bump
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>>25788095
I’ve only been on 2mg E and bica for 2 months, but my body hair growth has slowed a ton and it comes in thinner already. Is there a chance that keeps slowing down? It’s frankly already better than I ever thought it would be because I had a lot of it at one point

Also not entirely sure, but how will I know when I have breast buds? I had what I think was pseudo-gyno before HRT, but my nipples often look at lot larger now, and the shape of my chest has changed a little? Lots of soreness at points. But whenever people describe a breast bid as being beneath the nipple, I feel hard lumps but they’re farther back and I think I’ve always had them because I thought what I was feeling was just fat

Sorry for the potentially really dumb questions
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>>25793748
for me it wasnt really an obvious thing to feel, kinda like fat but a little bit harder at the start? just feels like fat now
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anybody know if i can start taking ralox a couple months in or if i need to start with ralox from the start?
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>>25794504
its already not very effective so personally I'd use from the start but budding usually doesnt start until 2 months so technically it shouldnt hurt?
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>>25794570
I am just over a month in and am already budding. I don't really mind so far and would like small booba but I would hate big ones, maybe I'll look into ralox if it starts to get a little bit out of control
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>>25788424
Please respond.
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So if I’m on bica and my t is (I think) not doing much anymore, but my e levels are just above cis male values, how concerned should I be about more masculinization rn? Also on fin
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>>25789462
Wait Im on patches by prescription. Why are they bad?? I heard they were better than pills as they are transdermal.
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>>25795541
Really inconvenient and get lower/worse levels. All transdermal means is you take it through your skin idk why you'd think that was better?
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how long does it take to feel the effects of injections?
I'm like 90% sure im injecting wrong somehow even though it should be no brainer, because i dont feel anything.
I'm using Lena's stuff for DIY, using a 27g .5 inch insulin needle. i load it up just fine, and it squirts out fine too, but when i actually inject it, i dont feel anything. I did three .2 ml intramuscularly within 3 days while the recommended dosage is .2 ml every 5 days. still didn't feel anything. I rubbed some on my balls too, because testicle epidermis is thin and absorbs easily, and I actually felt more of an effect than when i injected. im like 90% sure something is wrong with the way im injecting because i know injectable hormones hit the bloodstream fast, and i used to do testosterone and DHT gel from when i was repper, and I felt its effects within 30 min to 1 hr easily, so I know how fast hormones can work. Is the needle I'm using too shallow?
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Best time for injections to boobmax? Was ramping up estrogen for the past 5 months from 2mg to 6mg (sublingual). I don't have buds anymore, they're like full breast tissue but just about an A cup, easy to hide etc. Haven't felt much pain in that area for a while.
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>>25788424
bump
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You guys crack the transitioning code yet or is the same old same old
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i keep hearing genetics play a factor into HRT's effects, especially with boobs. Should i be looking at any specific family members to compare? My mom and her mom are both fairly busty but my dad's mom was a board
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>>25789797
its now after noon

does anyone from AU recommend a particular diy progesterone source?
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>>25796230
TO me it doesnt seem any less convenient than patches and for some reason I was told it gives better levels than pills
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>>25796596
I was on injections for like 4 months and got paranoid that they were doing shit
going back to square one with 50mg bica and 2mg buccal. Wondering when I should increse to 4mg or maybe even 3mg?
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>>25796596
. 2 of Lena's vials? That's even more than she recommend which Is already an absurdly high dose. Why would you do that?
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>>25788424
>>25797797
ty for bump stranger. also bumping
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>>25798394
genetics play a part, but generally the genes will just affect things like their natural hormone production and receptor viability, which your altering with hormone meds and are different cause of not being cis respectively. you also have to consider the development of family members too. in my family every woman both sides was busty but one grandma due to malnourishment and smoking. ymmv but generally regulated hrt if you got to avoid T would give better results.
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i’m taking EEn after a month and some of cypro and E and i’m so inconsistent with my dosages bc im so paranoid and judging it on dysphoria or fear

i’ve done 4.4mg, then 7mg, then 4mg, and today i don’t know what to do. i can stick to 4 and it would be better to be consistent but i’m scared it’s not enough and it seems so small but apparently people do fine on it but i just don’t know and i’m considering 5mg

please pitch your opinion on my unnecessarily complicated situation and what i should do
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>>25788095
How do I make sure bica’s actually working? My T jumped up to >1000 on it and I know it’s supposed to increase but I’m paranoid. I am feminizing, which is a good sign, and my libido decreased but some days it comes back, and I’m not sure why
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>>25801446

7mg every 7 days
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>>25802010
Girl's get horny too dummy.
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Would anyone here be open to dste a straight girl with a feminization fetish?
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>>25802798
Kill yourself.
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>>25802798
where r u
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Why do people hate Willpower's method? It seems decent enough at first glance
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>>25804675
I don't think anyone really hates his methods. He's trying things out, sometimes percieved a bit arrogant (it's sperg bluntness, normaloids can't stand it), but he's doing things other doctors aren't and bless him for that. That said the reason a lot of pseudo-intellectuals people dislike it is purely just because nothing is proven (yet, or disproven yet) and people rightfully don't like that there's some sort of cult following for him. What he's doing isn't really a "the powers method" though. He has some theories about E1, E1S, and SHBG, most which have by now anecdotally proven itself to be mostly useless in practice. He mostly just aims to supress T and keep E at a decent level after a while like most doctors, with some things like being open to using bicalutamide, open to giving E implants, and open to giving progesterone, and being very diligent in helping those with hairloss and poor feminization find hidden androgens halting their process. He's a good doctor for trannies. He also says there's no power's method because he alters his regimen based on the patients desires and blood tests like any other decent doctor.

>>25802798
>All mass shooters are glowies
I was friends with one, they're not glowies, just mental illness and brainwashed online.

>>25802010
It's normal for T to rise 1.5-2x on Bica so the levels aren't alarming on their own. If you are feminizing and have a lower libido then that's fine. There are other tells like sperm color, body hair growth, body odor. If you need to reduce your T you can slightly increase your E.
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>>25801446
>and i’m so inconsistent with my dosages bc im so paranoid and judging it on dysphoria or fear
That's not good. You should accept your levels not being 100% perfect for a month and then get blood tests to confirm whether you need to change anything. It's not like your transition will be ruined if your levels are slightly wrong for a month. Stick to a regimen and get blood tested. If you can't get blood tested, then pick a decent dose and stick with it.

>>25798394
Even with busty parents you shouldn't expect a lot.

>>25798707
At 4 months in I'd sit on 4mg for many months.

>>25798057
Depends how long ago since you've been here. It's mostly the same for the past couple years though.

>>25796596
Probably get a blood test. Your dose of 8mg/5d is really high by the way.

>>25789790
I've heard good about IHP for Australia, free reship/refund etc.
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>>25796596
>using a 27g .5 inch insulin needle.
you're obviously doing sc with such a needle
because it sounds like you take valerte so i can't tell exactly but it usually takes 12 days to notice effects from sc
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>>25797073
best time is as soon as possible for part of the dose and oral for the rest
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>>25804946
>I've heard good about IHP for Australia, free reship/refund etc.
they're site says that if I don't have a prescription customs might block my package, do I risk it?
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>>25805150
Either risk it or get a doctor to prescribe you.
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>>25788424
blz
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For medicheck bloodtests, do I just order a women's test or both men and women's?
Also how long would I need to go off cypro for an accurate indicator as to my t levels even be given
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>>25805657
*For mono therapy
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.4ml every 2 weeks of 10mg/ml delestrogen is a low dose right? why is that what my doctor has me starting on when switching to injections? should i ask to bump it up before i get my bloodwork done in about a month or should i wait and see?
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Hypothetically speaking let’s say I’m on monotherapy.
Now let’s say I I’m 20 days over injecting.
Is it possible that it spiked my t levels to the point of growing body hair and causing perma changes? Or if I inject will I be good?
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Can someone explain "hondosing"?

I see it posted all the time and I've been too afraid to ask.

Is 8mg of E orally a hondose? Asking for a friend.
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>>25805671
>>25805657
Why would you go off of Cypro for accurate T levels? Also get the woman's one unless you take Bica, then get the sports one as it includes liver function tests as well as T and E.
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>>25805806
To check if monotherapy is working as intended? Cypro just seems like a bad idea long term and it's been three years
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I'm considering starting progesterone because I'm struggling a bit less with money ATM.
Is it even worth starting after being on estrogen for years?
And if so what dose is good?
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>>25805766
I can't say for sure cuz not smart, but 20 days is kinda not much so most likely ur fine

>>25805775
>hondosing
Hondose is a dose that is too low(gives you levels of E that are too low for good feminization(in the speaker's opinion))
>Is 8mg of E orally a hondose?
No


pic from here: https://transfemscience.org/articles/transfem-intro/
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>>25806703
yea but watch out for DHT backdoor balding, but uncommon and most doctors dont know about. Most start on 100mg and move to 200 after a month iirc
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>>25806838
What the frick is dht backdoor balding lmfao?
Is prog rly worth it if there's some weird risk there?
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is it ok to crush sublingual
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Should I take small amount of hormones if I just want my voice higher? Voice training isn't working and I don't wanna be full trans.
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>>25807081
Hrt doesn't affect the voice at all for amabs
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>>25807081
voice is a one way street. surgery and voice training are your only options
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>>25807081
T makes your voice lower
E does nothing (some people claim their voices got softer on E, but it's not a universal thing and probably just psychological)
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Are there any known heart issues to look out for with mtf hrt? Shit runs in my family, and its probably not worth pursuing if I'm going to have my heart explode at 30 just to have tiny tits
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>>25808240
not really. some blood issues but heart is a okay
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>>25808240
Estrogen generally makes you live longer and less likely to get heart failure, so that's a good thing for you.

>>25807049
Yes.

>>25806874
Not worth it imo, but I'm paranoid and I hated progesterone. Gave me no benefits either.

>>25805749
That's 4mg EV every 14 days which is insanely low even with an AA. The half life is 5 days and most of your E will be gone within 10 days. If you were planning to do monotherapy you'd normally have 4-5mg every 5 days minimum. If you're planning to still take an AA I would take 4mg a week with the AA as minimum.

>>25805766
It's not that big of a deal. At least in my experience it usually takes 2-3 weeks on monotherapy to start noticing T going up.
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>>25808560
No no no, I’ve been on e for almost a year, and haven’t injected in 20 days
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>>25808793
That doesn't change what I said?
Just take your injection and relax. You're not instantly permanently disfigured.
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>>25808465
Is that just the blood clotting I heard about? I'm at risk for hypertension basically all the time, no matter how healthy my diet is.
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>>25809425
They're definitely talking about clotting. It can be easily avoided and risk free by being smart about your regimen, but generally while you're young if you're mostly healthy there's no harm in taking the "riskier" ways temporarily if just for a couple years.
https://transfemscience.org/articles/estrogens-blood-clots/#risks-with-different-hormonal-exposures
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>>25805766
no that would only happen if you were to forget bica
t. knower
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>>25802273
would 10mg every 7 days be dangerous?
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/fraud/ster here
do you guys do anything to force/promote bone remodeling to expand your hips?
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>>25811068
I've had hip growth over the years, bone that is. I'm very skinny. It was most noticeable the first year when it was painful to walk for a period. It's very clear that I have had growth, I have no doubts about that. I'm going to try Relaxin soon though, will be interesting to see if that does anything for further growth.

>>25809822
No, but it's likely a lot more EEn than you need. I did 10mg every 7 days for a period and it gave me 600+pg/ml E2. Waste of money. 7mg every 7 days or 10mg every 10 days would be a better dose, then get blood testing to see if you can reduce it further.
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Can someone tell me if it would be better to stay on 50mcg patches and go to 75mcg in a month or go to 3mg oral estradiol but i could just do sublingual and not tell dr.
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>>25811172
>I'm going to try Relaxin soon though
cool
do any exercises to promote it?
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>>25811204
I'd go with oral for now. I'm assuming you have an AA to suppress T?
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>>25811324
Yes im on lucrin. I might actually need to stay on patches for 3 months since my gp doesnt kbow about hrt but i could switch to sublingual after
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>>25811172
relaxing can help your hips grow? I'm never stressing again.
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>>25812120
Relaxin-2, a hormone linked to pregnancy induced hip growth, not Relaxing.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sms.12149

>>25811276
Haven't thought that far.
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>>25788095
does oral prog actually work for breast growth?
just got prescribed 100mg a day, when should i see changes, if any?
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>>25812190
but relaxin mostly has to do with boosting elasticity and malleability of pretty much everything bones included
pretty sure the hip growth only happens because of the sheer and insane force of delivering, right?
you'd need some force driving the expansion
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>>25812457
Widening of the hips naturally occurs towards the end of pregnancy in preparation for delivery, and during delivery.
Wider ribs as well apparently. Might look into corsets for the duration to probably prevent this.
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>>25812515
do you think other hormones + the relaxin caused it? i mean, i dont think relaxin alone does it
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>>25812529
I'm not saying it will work, but I'm probably going to try it.
Bone growth:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6545299/
Bone remodelling:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4282454/
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Will pic rel get me hondosed?
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>>25812643
That depends how much you take and whether you take an AA with whatever E dose you take.
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>>25812649
Someone said i should take 50 bica and 2mg of this for the first three months?
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>>25812674
Yeah that's fine.
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I am fat (obese, my ideal weight is 150lbs from where I'm at) and 27.25 years old. I am light skinned hispanic and only 5'6''.

Should I even start? Is losing weight more important first for health reasons? Or can I begin to diet/exercise while on E?
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>>25812611
No, I'm aware and yes it's true relaxin helps bone remodeling and growth. Rolfe's law is real
But where will the driving force come from? Relaxin isn't selective, and most certainly doesn't signal only for the hips, like you stated, so where will you get the hip expansion from?
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>>25812725
Wouldnt it be really slow tho?
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>>25812817
Bicalutamide blocks and increases T and helps convert T to E. You'll get estradiol from both aromatization and from the pills. Will it be slow early on? Sure probably, but it's not a race. Transition takes years. When years have passed you'll probably wish you were more patient early on, 3 months isn't a lot. Up it to 4 after that. Or start on 4, I can't control you.

>>25812766
There's no need to lose weight before hrt. You can lose weight while transitioning.

>>25812775
What's rolfe's law?
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>>25812775
>so where will you get the hip expansion from?
Look up hip expansion yoga on yt it's deff a thing

Also does anyone know where to get this mythical relaxin?
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>>25812861
just that constant force, presumably by hypertrophied muscles, onto bone will force it to adapt to it, likely by increasing bone density and remodeling
although the process is very slow typically
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>>25812899
idk if source talk regarding peptides is banned, because peptides are legal, but any expansive peptide source likely has it
/r/peptides is a good place to look
and fuck it if im not banned, but geopeptides has relaxin-2
im not well educated on relaxin but I know there's specific versions and you do not want to fuck around with the wrong one so godspeed whoever tries
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>>25812861
>There's no need to lose weight before hrt. You can lose weight while transitioning
Thank you for the reassurance I was just scared of maybe getting blood clots or heart issues from doing it all at the same time. Is it true that weight cycling helps keep some of the female fat distribution? Maybe I'll get better results by doing it this way. Do you have any knowledge on this? Thank you! :)
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>>25812861
Ok so take 50 bica and 2 primogyn during the first three months, then get blood test and then change it to a better dose based on my levels right?
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Bumpo
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i just know theres something wrong with my levels i havent gotten my levels tested because i cant afford it but i just feel like my levels are bad im 8mo hrt and my breast growth has been stalled since my 4th month my nipples have lost sensitivity and dont feel like anything anymore they dont hurt anymore theyre not tender anymore playing with them feels like nothing and i constantly feel like shit everyday i have no energy and i have zero sex drive all my fat goes to my stomach and my skin isnt very soft or smooth. im taking 6mg EV every 5 days. i have no idea what to do. maybe ill try spiffy's estradiol cypionate or something maybe Lilian gave me a shit vial idk fuck idk what to do
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is 216pg/ml e and 11ng/dl t good for 1.5 years hrt? am I hondosed?
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>>25815044
sounds good
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Hey, i was wondering where i could get needles from for e, im running out and amazon wont let me buy more
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I just got blood test results for the first time today
I am taking 10mg EEn every 7 days, 5 months hrt

E2 2269 pmol/L (618 pg/L)
T 0.9 nmol/L (26 ng/L)

I'm a dummy so please tell me what i should do
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>>25815044
good
>am I hondosed?
no
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What levels of progesterone should I be looking for being at?
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>wash skin with alcohol prep pad
>wait for it to dry
>inject
>skin still stings like a bee when the needle goes in

What do I do
Is there any alternative besides sucking it up or just not sterilizing?
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>>25816509
Pain only exists in the mind. Believe there is none and it will be gone.
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So, do I take cypro and 1mg of e in the morning, 1 mg at night or before bed? Or is it cypro and 2mg in the morning? How does this work? And also, does it have to be at the exact same time every day? My sleeping is kinda erratic.
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>E pre HRT 29pg/ml
>After 2mg oral for 2 months c, measured at trough: 33pg/ml

why did my E barrelsy go up at all? My T is at 20ng/dl from AA drug.
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>>25817194
>E
2/day (1 mg in the morning + 1 mg at night)
>cypro
1/day (you can take it with E, be consistent (take every time in the morning / every time at night))
>How does this work?
Half-life of oral E is 13-20hrs and half-life of cypro is 1.6–4.3 days (according to wiki) so that's why
>does it have to be at the exact same time every day?
You'll see results even if you won't do this, but yeah you should try to take your hrt at the same time every day.
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hey I hope this isn't like. off-topic or anything.

I was just wondering if anyone knew when 5pi ffy is typically available to talk? haven't tried dealing with them before.
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>>25817480
Spiffy?
They should be on.
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>>25817523
oh, that's weird. sent the request ages ago.
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>>25817529
Their times can be a bit random sometimes.
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>>25817523
my friend also sent a friend request w/ no responce.
would it be super cringe of me to ask you to ask spiffy to check their requests?
I'll be a good customer for sure
>>25817529 -> this is me
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>>25815691
I think you should reduce your dose a bit.

>>25817208
Most important part is suppressing T. Oral half life isn't that long which is why your E seems low. You can increase to 4mg if you want.
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>>25818254
>Oral half life isn't that long
But still, shouldn’t it be - little bit higher at steady state?
Gonna increase dosage and split it bidaily.
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My prolactin was 260pg/ml while E at 260pg/ml so I stopped taking cypro in hope it’ll get lower, but now I’m so scared the T will rise I’m pondering if I should take cypro again. What do you think?
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>>25818923
why not combat the prolactin selectively?
vitamin e or b6?
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>>25818951
How does that work? I have a call with the endo in two days
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>>25818987
https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/sides/list#wiki_lactation_.28galactorrhea.29
also there's caber
but that's the nuclear fuck all option
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What should i change to my plan?
Take 50 Bica, 2 primogyn (pic rel) during three months and then make blood tests
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>>25819021
I’m not lactating or have any side effects, I feel good
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>>25819715
I thought you wanted to lower your prolactin
that's how you do it
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>>25819148
That seems like a good starting plan. I did 2mg estradiol for 3 months before my upping to 4mg. Your way may be a faster start, but still very reasonable.
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>>25819819
What were your e levels after those 3 months?
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>>25819779
Oh okay thank you
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Anybody from the UK (specifically) bought OtokonokoPharm's dick gel in the past month or so? Last mention of it I heard was a UK anon here saying theirs had been seized by customs so I held off on ordering but when I emailed Lillian more recently she said nobody had reported a package seized.
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got my first blood test after 4 months of bica+estradiol (6mg in 3 pills). i got male levels of estradiol (39.1pg/mL), should i panic now? its been suggested to me to spread out the pills throughout the day instead of taking them all in the morning, any other tip?
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>>25820381
>should i panic?
You should not panic.
>i got male levels of estradiol
What matters is that your T (I hope) was somewhere in fem range, so you still should have feminized a bit.
>spread out the pills throughout the day instead of taking them all in the morning
Definitely. If you are taking them orally 2 times/day will be good enough, if sublingually/buccally - spread out as much as you want/can, but it should be >2 / day.
>any other tip
Blood tests should be done right before your next E administration, but you probably already know this
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I just got my first blood test after 3 months of hrt (4mg estradiol oral / 100 mg spiro), and I thought I was being hondosed but apparently my levels are good (test @ 26* and estradiol @ 105* H). She’s sticking me on 4 mg for the next 3 months. Should I start looking for extra estradiol, or am I good good?
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Is weight cycling something i should do multiple times or just shed and regain once over? How much does it really help with hrt's fat redistribution? And if i should do it at all, how long into my hrt process should i wait before I start the process?
transfem btw
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>>25820543
im using bica for aa so my t levels are also in a male range, but the t is not active if i understood that correctly.
idk, i still got noticeable fat redistribution in my body and my tits are starting to grow, im just worried i could be doing much better
>Blood tests should be done right before your next E administration, but you probably already know this
Mmm i did the test first thing in the morning before taking my pills, so i guess that's fine
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>>25820607
>am I good
You 100% good.

>>25820618
multiple times, can't answer anything else cuz I don't know :c

>>25820662
>t is not active
sorry I forgot that bica does that, never been on bica myself
>im just worried i could be doing much better
No point in thinking about this, you can't change the past after all. Your feminization should speed up now, so I think you have something to look forward to
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Is microdosing (e.g. 2mg oral E forever) riskier than full girlmode? What's the best form of taking E if I don't want full feminisation?
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>>25820791
>Your feminization should speed up now, so I think you have something to look forward to
Because of spreading the pills? Hope you're right desu. Thank you for answering.
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>>25820984
>Because of spreading the pills?
Yess your levels will be higher in your next blood tests I'm 100% sure.
This has to do with the half life of (oral) estradiol
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>>25820106
Assuming all facts are correct that simply just means
A) They're not usually seized, which makes sense because UK customs are known to do fuck all
B) The one person who had it seized never mentioned it.
Alternatively C) She is pretending like it didn't happen, but I doubt that's the case, most people don't bother contacting suppliers and go straight to social media for literally everything.

>>25820910
"Microdosing" as you know it doesn't exist. It's not risky, it just won't do anything. Testosterone will overpower your estrogen. What do you put into "full feminisation"? You can't pick and choose what changes you want and if you try to minimize too much you'll end up getting nothing at all.
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>>25788095
Where can I order t gel that doesn't require Bitcoin
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>>25821258
EUAibolit
StayHealthy
PharmaOnline
Farmacy-Houses
Pilloid
ZeemoreUncle
DragonOrdn

Maybe I missed a couple, but these all take bank transfer, western union, or wise.
Just look at all the sites on hrt.cafe and search for t or androgel, or start using Bitcoin as well like a financially free chad and no longer worry about the payment methods being available or not.
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does anyone know a good source / sources for luer-lock syringes and tips? I've been using easy-touch insulin syringes for like a year now and im finaly running out of the shitty things. I'm in the US and no, I dont think I can nor would I want to get them from a local pharmacy
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>>25819891
Only slightly elevated above male range, but my spiro worked and my T went from 900 ug/DL to 100. I had visible breast growth in that time as well. I’m on 4mg estradiol a day for another month, and then I switch to injections.
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I'm moving from Cypro to Decapeptyl, a GnRH agonist. I vaguely remember reading something about how you should keep taking your old blockers for a while because agonists boost testosterone for a while. Is that true? Is there any place where I can read about this in more detail? Should I keep taking Cypro for a bit?
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>>25821628
>Only slightly elevated above male range
>I had visible breast growth in that time as well
ok, thats the same with me. I kinda fear my barely elevated E levels (at trough) are something to worry about.
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Can HRT cause sudden mood swings if your on pills and not consistent enough

I'm guessing with 90% certainty the answer is yes, in which case I move on to the more important worry:

CAN FUCKING UP HRT MAKE ME PERMANENTLY BIPOLAT? WHY ARE THERE SO MANY BPD TRANNERS? I DIDNT HAVE MOOD SWINGS BEFORE

IM A RETARDED DIYER WITH N O MONEY WHY DID I DO THIS? I JUST WANTRD TO KNOW SHORT TERM IF IT WOULD DO SOMETHING AND HAVE TIME TO MAKE A DECISION BEFORE THE THREE MONTH MARK
I didnt even get labs cuz I was overwhelmed and now Ill be out in like 2 or three days...

Im so dumb. Im so dumb.
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>>25822160
>CAN FUCKING UP HRT MAKE ME PERMANENTLY BIPOLAT?
Probably not. You're on a very low dose atm anyhow, right? 2 mg/day oral? So that's unlikely to do something like that.
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what should I take in order to grow my atom-sized cherry tits into medium/big cone tits?

currently on 4mg cypro + 0.18ml lena's juice (/5 days), should I take progesterone? if yes, then how much?

I just want to have big conetits, thats all
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>>25821971
GnRH agonists indeed elevate T production for a short period of time (like a few days/week or so). I don't know if this will happen if changing from cypro, and T is already suppressed, because I'm completely clueless about it since I'm on decapeptyl (triptoreline) myself from the start. Did not really feel the T flare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonadotropin-releasing_hormone_agonist#Pharmacology
>Agonists do not quickly dissociate from the GnRH receptor. As a result, initially there is an increase in FSH and LH secretion (so-called "flare effect"). Levels of LH may increase by up to 10-fold,[16][17] while levels of testosterone generally increase to 140 to 200% of baseline values. However, after continuous administration, a profound hypogonadal effect (i.e. decrease in FSH and LH) is achieved through receptor downregulation by internalization of receptors.[16] Generally this induced and reversible hypogonadism is the therapeutic goal. During the flare, peak levels of testosterone occur after 2 to 4 days, baseline testosterone levels are returned to by 7 to 8 days, and castrate levels of testosterone are achieved by 2 to 4 weeks.[18][16]
>Various medications can be used to prevent the testosterone flare and/or its effects at the initiation of GnRH agonist therapy.[17][20][21] These include antigonadotropins such as progestogens like cyproterone acetate

Different GnRH agonists (different drugs) behave a little bit differently in direct comparison in terms of duration till chemical castration, achieved T levels etc.
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>>25822160
T tends to surpress your emotions, its part of why men are usualy less emotional than women. You adjust to it after a little bit, you're just currently still used to your emotions being kinda deadend and are now realising you're a much more emotional person than you thought. My first 3 months were realy rough and I was kinda all over the place for my first year, but I eventualy got my shit together and I'm a lot more stable. Make sure to have a healthy lifestyle and hobbys outside of transitioning, it helps you become a better rounded and more mentaly healthy person and keeps you from being a total nutcase tranner
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>>25822283
well for starters drop the cypro, you're on monotherapy doses so an AA is unneedes and just extra health risk at that point. with cypro you wanna kinda slowly ween off over a couple weeks tho. you can try adding in 2mg oral E every day ontop of your injections to try to "jump-start" things but that trick seems to be hit or miss, but its worth a shot. you dont realy wanna take prog until you've gotten the most boob growth you can on E, but if you do decide to take it, 200mg rectal before bed is pretty normal. if you want to more closely simulate cis levels and cycleing (there is limited evidince that this may make prog more effective), you could take 100mg prog every 12 hours for 15 days on 15 days off. how long have you been on E?
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>>25822157
>>25822536
How do you recommend to ween of cypro? I've tried before to do so and get on prog but I keep having this fears of a t rebound/not being suppressed. (can't get bloodtests so)
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>>25822400
Thank you very much!
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>>25822160
If HRT makes you BPD you probably just were BPD all along and didnt notice. Women are BPD at much higher rates than men in the first place.
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>>25822685
just take less and less, if youre on 12.5mg daily then take it every-other day for a lil bit, then every three days, etc, etc, etc. or you can just tank it and stop it all at once, that could be unpleasent and you will likely experience rebound, but thats only temporary. dont worry too hard about the rebounding, but I do reccomend weening off, maybe going from daily to never in ~a month is a good mild timeframe. I tried all sorts of whacky stuff like trying to take bica and cypro at the same time to block rebound and it was a waste of time, money, and made me feel like I was dying, so just dont sweat it too hard. you could temporarily up your E dose to .20ml/5-days to help compensate while you quit cypro possibly, but honestly it probably isnt even needed
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>>25822764
No i don't think i need to ramp up even more i agree. I already tried to kill my leydig cells by smearing gel on my balls. But interesting about the bica and cypro combi though. I heard a few people doing it but never got back to it, whynwould you say it's a waste of time/what was so unpleasant about it?
Tbf I was planning on just not dropping untill i can get an orchi at some point, but weening of slowly may be a better option
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the only options available in my country are cypro and spiro. what would be the best option
(I've been on spiro on and off for months)
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>>25822975
pretty much all AAs are bad for your health, especialy liver, and taking both is kinda just asking to feel like shit, I think my E levels were way too absurdly high when I took both which made things even worse. with monotherapy doses of EV (.08ml-.10ml / 5 days) AAs are entirely unneeded because the high E dose is surpressing androgen production anyways. Playing it safe and taking something on the higher end for a monotherapy dose wont hurt you, but long-term AA use very well could
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>>25823035
cypro, 100%, spiro has much worse common side effects and fails to surpress T in most patients. Take no more than 25mg daily to start, and drop down to only 12.5mg after a couple weeks, theres no need to take more, and make sure to take b12 or vitamins with b12, because cypro tends to lower your b12 which can cause/worsen depression. obviously once you can get off AAs, do so
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>>25822536
thanks for the advice.
>you're on monotherapy doses so an AA is unneedes and just extra health risk at that point.
well, yeah I know that actually, I was not taking cypro until some months ago, when I got unlucky and the vial I was using was bad (ie. didnt work), also I will get an orchi soon, so I have been paranoid about T raising after it, so I am taking it as a kind of "failsafe" in case my body decides to raise T right after the surgery.
I plan on dropping it off as soon as possible after the surgery
> until you've gotten most boob growth you can on E
yeah about that champ... that is fucking rn, I've been on hrt since 17 (was on lectrum injections before that) and my breast growth kinda peaked at 17,6 (so like, almost 2y ago), and dont get me wrong, I'm more than satisfied with results, my hips got wider and my breasts are just so existent enough that my chest can pass as a flat girl's.
>closely simulate cis levels and cycleing
ultracringe, would literally rather rope than follow this gigahon pseudosciencec bullshit
>how long have you been on E?
again, since 17, im 19 now
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I'm 18. Should I drink a lot of milk on HRT? Will that help the changes grow more? Inversely, should I refrain from drinking milk before I get on HRT to make sure I don't masculinize anymore?
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>>25823488
Milk is just fat sugar water and calories, any other effects it has are memes.
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>>25823488
>Should I drink a lot of milk on HRT?
I don't believe drinking milk has positive or negative impact on hrt results.
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>>25823488
if you're going for fat distribution..
you'd want to calmax, and exercise those areas with milk hydration.
use whole milk for fat.
within a few months with normal diet.
can gain 10+ lbs of fat np.

i drink alot of whole milk.
and take alot of e.

when i want to lose weight, i just stop drinking milk and eat the same.

milk is pretty amazing.
can use it to bulk up masc. and also to fem.
its just a good drink.. thats all.
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>3mg oral dose via 2mg & 1mg pills
should I split it in 1,5mg bid or 2mg morning and 1mg evening?
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>>25823954
Splitting is better
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>>25823175
tysm!
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all of the pharmacies near me are completely out of estradiol for injections and the earliest they can get it is in august. should I switch back to oral or should I go to the black market? I've already been with out estrogen for a week and I'm starting to get worried.
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>>25817523
My secretary and I generally take Friday and Saturday off depending on how caught up we are. The best time to catch us is probably 5pm to 10pm Sunday - Thursday (US Central time)

That being said, it's really easy for people fall between the cracks sometimes with the order volume we get these days. Ping us again if we don't respond to a message. If you're waiting on us to accept a friend request, it can sometimes take a day or two
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How am I supposed to know if my levels are good if I can't take bloodtests? I'm just taking standard doses of e and cypro, but I'm afraid it's gonna wreck my body and brain and kill me or make me clinically depressed or something.
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>>25824948
Sublingual tablets is fine.

>>25825407
You can't know levels without blood tests, that's what blood tests are for.
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>>25788095
Getting blood tests for the first time (privatemdlabs), are these all good? Anything I missed out or should remove? Any assistance is appreciated.
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>>25825988
you should check prolactin as well. Not an expert but might not need to test estrogens other than estradiol depending on what you're taking either.
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>>25825988
Unless you're rich or you think a specific hormone like dht or estrogen is fucking things up this is kind of overkill, you don't need all those specific types of hormones you just need to make sure your total t is suppressed. E levels really don't even matter if you're not doing mono and you're at the beginning of your trans, esp if you're starting small then planning to ramp up your dosage over time.
You should get a liver panel though to make sure your aa isn't killing you
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>>25826226
*dht or estrone
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>>25823272
>>25823272
>>25823272
someone pls respond, I really want to get conetits
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>>25826152
>>25826226
Thank you.
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>>25826226
For the liver panel, were you referring to this one?
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>>25826473
Yep that's the one
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>>25826370
no you dont.
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>>25826370
basicly from the information you gave, I would say go ahead with 200mg rectal prog, either nightly, or spread out and cycled. there were a few studies where the results made it appear that the cycling trick actualy helped, but the sample size realy wasnt lare enough to say for sure, so it's your call. fwiw, people feel better on stable consistant levels instead of any sort of cycling so just consistantly taking it nightly is probably the easiest way to do it. its quite possible you wont gain much size though, prog usualy helps round things out and can make em a little bigger, but it isnt a 100% magic bullet for bigger boobs.

>>25824948
just go to diy, plus its always good to have a secret stash of extra estradiol for when shortages hit
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>>25826766
damn, I just wish to have big conetits, why is life so unfair :,(
>200mg rectal prog
can I get it in the states using informed consent? I plan to move there in a couple months, so it'd nice to know
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>>25826939
"Big" cone tits arent a thing. Boobs get round as they develop and grow. If you really want cone shaped underdeveloped tits than just taking E+spiro at normie doctor doses will probably get what you want.
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are there any good progress pics?
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is 2 months 2 mg oral E
3 months 4 mg oral
3 months 8 mg oral

And then switching to a different route a good idea? With bica
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>>25827083
>spiro
no thanks, I have love for my body.
>"Big" cone tits arent a thing
blasphemy!
you only say that because you have never seem my friend's
>Boobs get round as they develop and grow
ewww, what a tragedy.
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>>25788095
does anybody know the legal status of selling diy hrt in the uk
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>>25826766
where do I even get diy hormone?
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Wtf which lab do I even into? Holy shit. I have no idea what Im doing.
>two almost identical sites
>"gender reassignment" what? For surgery??
>wildly varying priced
>quiz thats supposed to help narrow things down asks if Im male at birth, but doesnt let me elaborate even though one of the sites literally has a panel called gender reassignment
>words I dont know that dont look like they match OP

What the fuck?? And how much am I supposed to pull out of my savings for this, even? This is stressful.

Yes Im DIYing for now. No choice.
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I just ordered HRT, time to live my dream of becoming a goth twink hon. Wish I did this 10 years ago.
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>>25788095
I have a mild fantasy about administering someone's T or E shots, but I know I would need to practice first if I ever wanted to do it. Does anyone know how to practice subcutaneous/intramuscular injections without literally jabbing your own thigh?
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>>25826939
you can probably get prog through some informed consent places, but also know that in the USA female hormones are not controled, and you can easily mail order them from wherever you want. grey-market medication is ofcourse frowned upon by doctors and feds, but it isnt illegal unless its androgens youre ordering... and even then they dont realy care....
>>25828250
homegirl it's literaly in the sticky.... but yea, hrt.cafe has a good compiled list of trusted pharmacys. I get my injections from otokonoko / lily, just note she sells 40mg/ml which may be stronger than what your doctor perscribed, so check the strength of it before you just go nuts injecting the same ammount you always do
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>>25828394
its in the sticky? damn I need to get my eyes checked. oh well thanks for the tips!
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>>25821551
bump....
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I just got my exames back and I think I'm being hon dosed. My T is nuked to dust but my estradiol is only 55,8 pg/ml.
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>>25828476
yep,I mean acording to a lot of healthcare standards, thats "good", but ofc almost all trans healthcare standards were written by creeps to harm trans-fems
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C-can my primary care doctor tell from my urine (I take ritalin for ADHD) my hormonal levels?

Seperately and probably less importantly since I can literally jjst never even do them, can she tell from my blood tests for having a family history of diabeetus?
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>>25828900
I dont want to know until she has to...... i might not be on it forever after all
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i'm hopefully about to start hrt, but also someone told me i'd need to cut alcohol to start, but i'm currently a little bit of an alcoholic and would rly like to avoid cutting it out unless i have too
do i rly need to cut alcohol?
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>>25828900
no, unless theyre specificaly checking for hormonal levels, which a regular piss test for perscription amphetamines shouldnt.
>>25828929
for what its worth... I was drinking quite a bit when I started and I was fine. but AAs are hard on your liver so you should definately try to cut back as much as you can. also estradiol makes you less resistant to alcohol... I found that out the hard way going binge drinking after starting and my T getting propperly surpressed and what was supposed to be "a casual evening and a short booze-cruise home" had me so fucked up and sick that I almost asked my friends to take me to the ER cuz I thought I had alcohol poisoning... but you CAN start hrt while drinking, its just better for you to not. assuming youre gonna mix hrt and binge drinking anyways, make sure to pace yourself more carefuly with your drinks, especialy in the first month, cuz your tollarance may change very unexpectadly....
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>>25829243
thank you :)
i'll keep that in mind
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>>25829943
no problem! I hope you manage to cut back! I havent quite got my drinking reigned in like I would like, but before I started hrt I was downing a bottle of vodka most nights, and now its just a few beers every night, despite some setbacks. I belive in you anon and best of luck! just keep in mind that getting better with your drinking will also help with your transition, alcohol is pretty hard on your body, so cutting back helps your looks quite a bit!
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>>25830164
i'm mostly doing vodka, beer and rum, lol
i consume like, a lot, for my bodyweight, i'm actually drunk rn so taking multiple minutes for editing this post
you're super kind, lol
i've been thinking of switching to smoking or thc??
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>>25830238
weed is definately a healthier option, preferably as edibles since smoke can mess up your voice and make voice training harder. definately avoid nicotine/cigarettes, I used to be a pretty bad amphedamine addict, and honestly that 3 year habbit was easier to break than smoking. i still cave from time to time and I "quit" half a decade ago. i would def try to replace the booze with edibles if you can, I k ow a lot of people cut back/quit alcohol that way, personaly it didnt help me much though ;~;. ive found sticking to beer helps a lot, I actualy dont keep liqour in the house because I know ill cave and drink it straight, so weaker beer is my go-to since its realy hard to drink fast enough to get too fucked up and has helped me slow down a ton
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>>25830366
i switched to beers too!!!
i used to be on vodka, mostly, but i still have it in the house
i don't know how much i care about passing at this point, i just want to try est so i don't sui
i'm drunk rn, do you have any tips for quiting?
i don't wanna fck myself over, by drinking too hard after starting
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>>25830389
idk, there isnt realy a big secret, some people can handle just drinking less, some people need to quit altogether because they cant handle the temptation at all. for me ive found trying to wait as late as I can before I start drinking and going to bed earlier helps, its hard to kill an entire six pack when you only have enough time for two or three beers in the evening before bed. also assumeing stress is what makes you drink, it may be worth it to avoid sources of stress. I dont even follow the news or use social media (ususly includeing 4chan even) anymore,and when I cave and look at stuff like that is usualy what sets off a binge-night for me. honestly on here your best bet is to use the filters to set hrtgen and voicegen to the top, and then use "*" to block literaly everything else. you can try going for dry spells like trying to stay sober for a few days and just sleeping a ton to lower your tollerance, but honestly half the time that just leads to a worse relapse so it isnt for everyone
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>>25830501
to avoid stress i'd need to drop out of uni, lol
so ig i'll keep drinking, i already sleep 15 hours per day, so sleeping more isn't an issue
i don't watch the news tho, it annoys me :)
i should do that, i'm gonna need hrtgen soon, when i start taking, given my awful lifestyle
i'll try and stop drinking more, do you have any diet tips?
will barely eating fuck up transition?
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>>25830738
oh yea, you DEFINATELY need to eat, especialy if youre starting out underweight. lots of whole milk and peanut butter is a good way to try to put on the pounds. sorry about the uni thing, im probably not the one to ask since I dropped out of collage due to the stress myself...
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>>25830765
lol, that's based, idk how i feel about uni and stuff
do i rly need to eat tho? like why?
i can gain weight, i just fucking hate it, unless i literally need too
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>>25830908
hrt cant change your bone structure (not enough to matter at least unless you start at like 12), so 90% of how it feminises you is by distributeing your fat in a way typical for women instead of men. so while you'll get the mental effects, you arent realy gonna get much of anything out of it physical unless you build up fat. a common trick is to weight cycle, like lose 10lb, and then gain 10lb and repeat. the body will prioritise burning away "male" fat and building up "female" fat instead.
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>>25830993
i'm already underweight already :/
so ig that should be easy, thanks to talking to me rn
you've been super helpful, i wish i had ppl like this to help me when i actually start hrt
i'm sorry i'm kinda drunk rn, and taking so long to respond
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>>25831029
your welcome! dont worry hrt isnt too complicated and this gen and its stickies can badicly guide you through all of it! I was kinda in your shoes a year and a half ago, drunk late-night chats and all! take care of youself anon, and if you put in the effort, youre gonna make it!
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>>25831164
i'm super worried i'm gonna fuck everything up cause i'm such a drunk and have such a fucked up lifestyle, plus i have so much stress
plus i'm so old already, and i'm so old already i'm literally 19 :(((
idk, i ordered the hrt, but i'm legit having a panic attack rn
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>>25831185
you'll be ok anon! its scary to take that first step, and its all kinda overwhelming, but i promise it'll be ok! just focus day by day on getting just a tiny bit better, and remember not to beat yourself up when you fumble. and dont belive the doomers on here, 19 is still a great age to start and theres a lot of masculinsation that you still havent experience yet at your age
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>>25831254
i just feel like such a man already, thank you for talking to me rn
is there any chance i could still get hips?
thats a lot of what i want, i rly want hips
i'm super overwhelmed rn, it's so impossible for me to order hrt, or even talk about this stuff without being drunk
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>>25817208
Me again, still overthinking my dosage.

Would it be better to stay at the lowest E dose that produces changes or aim for „proper“ levels instead?

I have two concerns:
>ramp up levels too fast and hurt potential better breast development
>miss a potential faster overall feminisation by staying low

I currently do experience changes and feel good.
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>>25830993
afaik it won't prioritise male fat but it will build up more "female fat" when you gain weight. All in all weigh cycling works either way :)
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Is it ok to divide 50mg cypro into fourths to get 12.5 mg?
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Can i start on 4mg or is it too high? I’ve seen people start on it but Ive also heard starting too high is bad but also there’s no evidence that starting high hasnt any negative effects
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>>25832751
>>25832866
yes you can and 4mg/day E is good
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>>25828249
Yes, I do.

The answer is no.

Ironically, however, unless your HRT kills someone (in which case they will delight in slapping a murder charge on you) you’ll likely receive a lesser sentence than drug dealing, since all you’re doing is creating unlicensed and uncontrolled medication and distributing it. And it’ll be very hard for them to find people to testify about how you ruined their lives.
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is it normal to have soreness around the area of an subcutaneous EV injection? not sure if i'm doing something wrong
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>>25830993
Is this something you have to maintain by taking HRT or are the results permanent?
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I wanna troon out because it'll be fun, but going through HRT is such a tedious process. Anyone in the UK got any advice on how to start out?
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>>25833420
literally the OP picture anon
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Will I kill myself taking 25mg of cypro every other day and 2mg of e daily without bloodtests?
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>>25833444
SO MANY WORDS, I don't know where to start. Who do I talk to, which is the most reliable source of getting HRT?
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>>25833556
kys lazy faggot
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>>25833614
I'm not FUCKING LAZY. I read the whole thing, it's just a lot to take in. I want a personal conversation about the topic.
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>>25833556
>SO MANY WORDS
Well you will have to read a lot if you don't want to go by the official "my endo will do all the thinking for me" route + pray for the endo to be good at trans care.
https://transfemscience.org/ will be useful to you.
r/TransDIY might be useful, it is for me when I have questions, even though sometimes people there can give incorrect advice about hrt so keep that in mind.
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I'm taking 5mg EV every 5 days and my E2 came back as 163pg/ml.
Is this level alright?
Not doing mono btw
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alright now that the dust has settled - should I just apply estro gel to my balls?
I'm on a pathetic 50pg/ml on four pumps of estrogen gel after 1 and a half years, can't take pills bc my liver almost died when I tried them and injections don't exist in my country

so ig my last chance is to apply gel to scrotum? does that actually help? what are the dangers? how long do I need to let it dry?
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>>25828252
>>25835626
Nvm Im being dumb probably.
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on my second week of DIY, today I noticed my hands are pale white, I have a dull pain sometimes in my forearm and when I hang my arms down by my side my veins are fucking huge and my hands get super red.
How worried should I be?
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>>25788095
Are there any particular risks or problems with starting hrt while losing weight? I ended up putting off starting last year to lose a tonne of weight, and while im near my weight goal (still got 15kg or so to lose), im tired of waiting.
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>>25836017
What do you take and how do you take it?
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otokonokopharma Isn’t working. What do I do for penis t gel?
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>>25834129
Since nobody is saying anything I guess it's an okay result?
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>>25838226
1mg sublingual progynova morning and evening, and 12.5mg cypro daily
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>>25833664
DIY, the “official” route may as well not exist, and it’s a 50/50 chance your GP will actually just stonewall you even before that. Private gatekeeps too, so DIY then move to private after 6months to a year of you feel the need/want an easier time getting HRT
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>>25832958
given that at any given time the uk postal system has actual controlled drugs going round it without trouble, what are the chances i will be caught and prosectuted if i did this do you think
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>>25841248
depends on whether you're too retarded to use stamps
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>>25838508
theyre not? i was just about to order from there :(
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What is the recommenced starting dose for estradiol cypionate combined with an AA? I see 2mg, is that 0.002mL? I don't see syringes that go down that far. I'm sorry I'm retarded :(
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>>25838508
>>25841800
They work, their site just offline for a couple hours which it does from time to time.
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>>25841810
> I see 2mg, is that 0.002mL
that depends on the strength of the specific vial you're using.
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>>25788095
6 months in, the only change I had was significant breast growth (unwanted) and apparently pale skin (tho it still looks bad even if I take care of it). Levels are fine aside from dht maybe (15.5 ng/dl). What do?
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I'm going to start HRT soon in US.

I'm in a forever-red state and can't get any teledoc hrt because of weird laws. Is PP really going to hondose the shit out of me? Is it worth trying to find a proper endo or is PP gonna be good enough? Is there a way to go in there and get the "best" setup for beginning mtf HRT? Would appreciate advice or what specifically I should ask for.
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>Go to Walmart
>Walgreens
>CVS
>None of them have syringes
Why the fuck is this so hard?
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>>25844237
Dont they have like weird charity things to keep heroin addicts and people otherwise dependent on meds from using unclean needles?
Im on subling so IDK but maybe look into that? I dunno how blue your state is.
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Poorfag here, what would happen if I just started on injection monotherapy instead of doing sublingual and AA until Tanner 3? I'm assuming it would just mean smaller boobs? Would adding progesterone in to my routine later on fix that?
Pills are like 75$ a month whereas injections are like 75$ a year for me
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how can I increase stroma in the breast?
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>>25842236
Anyone? Am I doomed to look exact same or worse no matter what hormones I take?
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if i accidentally have too high levels for 2 months and then fix my levels will my boobie grow again or did i stunt them by having absurdly high e2
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>>25842236
>6 months in
>Am I doomed to look exact same or worse no matter what hormones I take?
Why would you be, If your levels, which you didn't even say and you should have, are fine, then feminization should be happening no matter what. 6 months isn't much.

>>25847804
>too high levels
you should have said your levels / dosage, but whatever they were you're most likely fine. My first 2 months I had too high levels for 2 months too, it didn't stunt my breast growth.
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>>25847969
idk my levels yet im having them checked this week i just wanted to know if its possible i stunted them. i was on 4mg oral and cypro for 5 months until i switched to 6mg ev every 5 days, ive been on this dose for around 2 months now and my boobies are acting weird and i just feel bad idk. im this anon >>25814533
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>>25847969
378 pg/ml e2 and 16.5 ng/dl test at thorough last time I've checked (around month to two ago). I'm still on the same dose, but I plan on adding duta and bica to deal with dht as I'm still losing hair at pretty rapid rate
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>>25788575
fuck even if you eat too much vitamin A, you die
it's fat solubility that matters here and estrogen is very much fat soluble!
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>>25848002
>possible i stunted them
I'm on 4 mg oral and I was taking it sublingually in my first months of hrt and it didn't stunt anything so I think that's not what happened to you.

I did try to check you levels with a simulator and if those are the levels you have(and I might have made a mistake here somewhere because that's my first time using this simulator), they don't look ideal to me because IN MY OPINION your levels are too high, which can be a problem. I experimented a bit, injecting 2 mg / 3days (for example) would give much more stable and uh lower levels. It is better in my opinion because I personally don't think too high levels are doing any good. I should again mention that I don't know what I'm talking about because I have 0 experience with injections so I may be totally wrong here, so sorry if that's the case, I'm just trying to help.

https://transfemscience.org/misc/injectable-e2-simulator/
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>trying to order from favskinhouse
genuinely wtf is this, that 'pay to' dropdown doesnt even contain anything
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Is it possible to recover from being hondosed for almost a year? Throught my first 8 months of transtition I didn't managed to hit female range of E though my T is nuked. I dunno if my lack of progress it caused by this or just shit genetics. Will E above 200 pg/ml kickstart some bigger changes?
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I'm about to start HRT so I got a blood test. My T levels are above 900 ng/dL which if I understand correctly is quite high. Does this mean I should start at a higher dose? My initial plan was to start with 2mg e, 12,5 cypro every day and slowly go up from there but I'm worried I'm gonna be wasting months on a dose that's way too low to actually suppress my T.
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so, I am gonna ask here because apparently I am too dumb to figure it out myself, what’s a good starting dose for bica and E gel? can I get some general advice?
as far as I understand:
bica would be 50mg a day the first month and 100mg after (obviously getting blood tests after the first two months)
for gel I honestly have no idea, I don’t know how often I would need to reapply nor do I know the dosages… (for that matter, how long does gel last sealed?)
note: I chose E gel because patches seem hard to find rn and pills are out of the question because of my incompatibilities with inactive ingredients and they’re worse for my factor v leiden (yes, I know hrt should be a hard no with this but I would die quicker without)
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>>25848795
yes
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>>25848795
am in a similar situation, was hondosed for 1.5 years with levels far below female range but with completely nuked T

is there any hope after such a long time? all I got in 1.5 years was a cup boobs
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I'm on 5mg every 7 days of intramascular EV for more than month right now. At trough my E is ~120 pg/ml. Endo says it's fine but I dunno. She kept me at 1,5 mg oral E for 3 months without any AA so I don't really trust her.
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Does HRT in your 20s affect IQ or brain mass?
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>>25848633
Email them, don't use the website.
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how bad is it to be on a smaller dose of cypro for a few days, potentially even a few days without it? bc of a few reasons im still waiting on my next batch, and i obviously ran out of cypro so i only have 3 6.25mg doses left. if im lucky i might get the package before i run out, but there's no guarantee.
i guess i should also ask if it's better to split it even more, or just go off cypro for a few days and stay with the 6.25 for the next 3 days. also forgot to mention i usually go for 12.5 obv lol
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>>25852770
Split it out as much as you can. For a short while it's no problem at all.

>>25849899
You'll become stupid and lose your sense of humor.
No, as long as you stay mentally stable you will keep your wits.

>>25849743
Your trough is not high enough to sufficiently suppress T I assume. What's your T level? I'd switch to 5mg every 5 days anyways.

>>25848987
Do not increase bica from 50mg to 100mg. 50mg is more than enough when combined with estrogen and increasing dose increases risks.
For an approximation on gel dosage:
https://transfemscience.org/articles/e2-equivalent-doses/#table-of-comparable-estradiol-dosages
Keep in mind that it works better for some than others.
Apply once or twice daily. Gel lasts a long time sealed, don't worry about it.

>>25848980
Since you have access to blood testing I think you should just start with 12.5mg cypro and 2mg E and see where that gets you after a month. You won't be wasting time, suppressing most of your T will give you progress. It's one month, and you'll still have changes that month.
30 days out of what will be many years, don't worry about it.

>>25847133
6 months isn't that long. Transition takes years. Either way your DHT is too high. You should do something about that. Fina/Duta.

>>25845041
You'll be fine starting on injections if pills are too expensive.

>>25837316
You can lose weight on hrt. It's not a problem.

>>25835493
You can do that to increase your E levels yeah. It does help, it's not something dangerous.
It doesn't take too many minutes for it to dry if you spread it out well.

>>25834129
>>25838711
For non-mono this is fine.

>>25833471
No, probably not.

>>25832875
It's fine.

>>25833216
Mild soreness is fine. Try not moving the needle around a lot, check the angle, try another location and see if it persists.
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>>25853101
so i should split into 3.125? if i do that im pretty sure it'll comfortably last till i get my order
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>>25853286
Yes.
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>>25853376
okay! i'll do that then in that case, ty lots for the answer!! <3<3
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>>25853101
My T is 0,39 ng/ml.
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lena said smth abt taking an extremely low dose of finasteride alongside estradiol

« on this dosage you'll not need antiandrogens except in case of male pattern baldness finasteride 0.05 - 0.1 mg (1/100 - 1/50 of a 5 mg pill) once a day - a pack 30 pills for 5 years. »

my DHT is super high (facial and body hair)

can i really take such a low dosage? it would be so convenient and it’d last me quite a while
i’m pairing it with 5mg/7d EEn monotherapy
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>>25855493
If you have really high DHT and need high suppression you can buy 5mg pills and cut them up to take about 0.5-1mg fina for almost no cost.

>>25854163
If it stays down there it's fine, would get blood test checkups.
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I'm visiting family and left my hrt at home, so I'll be off it for 4 days. Im on 50g bica and 2g estradiol, around 6 months in, 19 years old mtf
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How are you gendered in social situations?
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trannybros how do I know this shit is even working
3 months one climara 100 weekly and 50mg bica is this ultimate hondose or am I just being paranoid
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>>25853101
thank you for the gel info, I only have a really stupid doubt left, how do I know how much gel I applied? how do you know it’s enough? looking at that website, should I should start at 1.5mg and up to 3 mg later to stay safe?
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doc recommends Hubei Vanz pharma, do they respond to emails since their estradiol isn't on alibaba anymore?
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>>25788095
Where do Lena or OTK get their estradiol powder?
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>>25860341
Contact outside of baba.

>>25859870
They usually have some vague measuring tools that come with them. Gel is inconsistent in absorption so I don't know what dose is best desu.

>>25858851
Female, but not really relevant to the thread.

>>25859004
It's not a terrible dose to start with. The best way to know if it's working is to go and get a blood test, or look at things like sperm color, body odor, body hair growth, skin oil production.

>>25857811
You'll be fine.
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>>25860674
sadly, I don’t see any alternatives, from what I read it seems for some people gel works well, at least there’s some hope... I don’t have any other ideas, pills are out of the question, I can’t seem to find patches available in european shops (I would like not to import, at least, not yet) and injections are probably not ideal at the beginning.
I think I am going to order gel and bica and hope patches become available again while planning out for intercontinental shippings once I started.
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>>25848056
So?
>>25853101
Fin did nothing for me. Hoping that bica and duta can kill off the adrenal test + any other conversion (if it doesn't then well... at least it might help when I jump on anavar after hrt fails to deliver any results)
>>25855493
Go for duta, don't meme yourself into fin
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>>25858851
so fucking randomly. I went to my psich and the door lady (we still have covid restrictions and she is there for that), didn't use any pronouns until she saw my name (male deadname) and then she confidantly used male pronouns from there on ... so I guess my documents gave me away.
But the interesting part is that later I was searching for someone in the same building and I talkend to this other lady that said "miss" to me. And the funny thing is that the lady that said "miss" to me went with me to this door lady and said "hey could you help this miss and take her to this person please", and I was thinking like "fuck yeah, see door lady? this is how I should be gendered!! at least someone knows how to read me"

But yeah all in all ... it's a mixed bag
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For all the DIYers in the EU:

Where do you get your Estrogen from??

Context:
I contacted Aphordites but they are all out :( .. and I never ordered in any other shop so I don't know where to order from so that my package won't get inspected by customs. It happened once and I even got a fine :(
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>>25788095
It's not possible to regrow hair in temples, right? Even with minoxidil.
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what should I do to help restart breast growth? I'm a tanner 4 b-cup on 9.5mg estradiol ethanate every 11 days. I had a period of time with no hormones followed by a period of time with T so I'm worried thats messed something up and is gonna leave me stuck at t4
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>>25860674
>It's not a terrible dose to start with.
should I be upping it anytime soon?
> The best way to know if it's working is to go and get a blood test
yea I guess ill look into ones which I can do at home
> look at things like sperm color, body odor, body hair growth, skin oil production.
desu I haven't paid any attention to sperm color lol Im not the biggest fan of rapping or like looking there and my facial hair is growing at the same old rate n I don't feel any particular diff with skin oil but I've been kinda not very oily for some time
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>>25788095
would increasing my e dose prevent erections?
on 4mg e, 12.5mg cypro, 100mg prog.
i still get hard at everything i hate it i need it to stop
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>>25863669
Aren't you like 3 years hrt? 4mg is way too low you should be like 6-8 or even better, injections/pellet so you can mono
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>>25863669
What's your prolactin?
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>>25863669
really? i thought 4 was the average range. anyways, my doctor suggested increasing it, tho i don't think he gave much of a reason if i can remember. i think he also said my levels were good, but I've never actually seen them.
whats the hype with mono? i mean i hope to be getting an orchi soon so i guess I'll be doing it soon.
>>25863712
i think my doctor said it was low, which is good, right? why?
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>>25860674
Thanks anon, I was really freaking out
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>>25863358
>this is how I should be gendere
Gender dysphoria?
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>>25863393
if your hair is thining then you can get it back. But if there is no hair on your temples you won't get any back.

As I've seen with other mtf ... they usually get some hair back on their temples but not much. They usually still have the "M shape"
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>>25788095
When making injectables using estradiol do you use the same concentration as estradiol cypionate?
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>>25864255
idk wdy mean... like yeah someone misgendering me feels super awful especially if I made an effort in my presentation
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My last results were:
34 ng/dl
368 pg/ml
This is trough (actually got them a day late coz im retarded).

Should I be focusing on lowering my T further? my doctor also said the estradiol was a bit too high but idk
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bump
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blood literally squirted out when I injected, is it over?
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>>25865495
no, that's pretty regular. where are you injecting
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>>25865542
upper outer quarter of the buttocks
I've had bleeding before but never squirting, I've been injecting for two years now
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>>25865566
you're unlikely to hit anything dangerous injecting there. you should cover it until it stops bleeding. if it doesn't stop go to an ER. you've probably just nicked a vein



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