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• Help, advice, guidance on meds and dosages
• HRT related medical experiences and research
• Availability and pricing of medications
• Rational and scientific discussion

See following post for a pharmacy list.

Survey: https://1drv.ms/xs/s!AudRJceTA5C9c2G5lCV2Avq0kQ0
▶ Survey data: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AudRJceTA5C9cyIWo6_X14AvHyM
▶ HRTGen Data Analysis: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AudRJceTA5C9gRLLWnbpdzlIxe4r
▶ HRT Info Sheets: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AudRJceTA5C9gQnyM7wxZcBGWRzW
▶ Pill ID: https://www.drugs.com/imprints.php
▶ DrugBank: https://www.drugbank.com/
▶ Basic HRT: https://apps.carleton.edu/campus/gsc/assets/hormones_MTF.pdf
▶ HRT ranges: http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm
▶ Powers Method: https://powersfamilymedicine.com/s/Healthcare-of-the-Transgender-Patient-V60.pptx
▶ Endocrine Society Guidelines: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/102/11/3869/4157558
▶ Transline Guidelines (with bicalutamide): https://transline.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/360047702053/TransLine_HRT_Guidelines_FINAL.pdf
▶ WPATH SOC: https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc
▶ TransDIY: https://www.reddit.com/r/transDIY
▶ Blood tests (US): https://www.privatemdlabs.com/, https://www.labsmd.com/
▶ Blood tests (UK, Ireland): https://www.medichecks.com/
▶ Blood tests (Canada Only): https://bloodtestscanada.com/
▶ Blood tests (Sweden) https://werlabs.se/
▶ Blood tests by mail: https://www.letsgetchecked.com/ - DIY capillary blood samples. Expensive.
▶ Lab test guide: https://www.healthcare.uiowa.edu
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>>25710977
https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/t-shipping.aspx has been popular in the US. Ships from Vanuatu to some countries.
https://euaibolit.com - Ships from EU to Worldwide
https://aphrodites.shop - Very popular. Ships from Portugal to Worldwide. (email active)
https://unitedpharmacies-uk.md (UK only) - Ships from HK.
https://unitedpharmacies.md (US only) - Ships from HK.
https://unitedpharmacies.nl (NL only) - Ships from HK.
https://alldaychemist.com - Ships from India to some countries.
http://lena.kiev.ua/ev/ - Very popular for injections. Ships from Ukraine to Worldwide.
https://sshifter.puzl.com - Ships from Turkey to Worldwide.
https://stayhealthynow.co - Ships from Turkey to Worldwide
https://amazing4health.com - Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
https://favskinhouse.com - Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
https://goodstuffstore.net - Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
https://otokonokopharma.com - Ships from Brazil to Worldwide.
https://otc-online-store.com - Ships from Russia to Worldwide.
https://www.weborderpharmacy.md (US only) - Ships from India.
https://www.weborderpharmacy-uk.md (UK only) - Ships from India.

https://hrt.cafe for more detailed product spreadsheets, price comparison and supplier information.
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>>25710977
started hrt 2day with 2mg sublingual progynova and 12.5mg cypro

is sublingual a meme? if not, is my dosage okay? I've seen people suggest 4mg but trannies I know irl have been on like 2mg for 3 months. I think they're likely ingesting orally however
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Is it better to start with a high or low dose?
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>>25710977
What kind of mental effects could I experience the first few weeks of HRT? I'm scared I'm gonna become an emotional wreck and I don't think I could handle that.
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>>25710977
i have 10mg/ml estrodial valerate, should i start with .5ml every 7 days and then double it after a month and then again after 3 months?
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>>25711154
I personally experienced feeling weak and dizzy in the first 4 days, it was at it's worst on the first day and each following day I felt better and then it stopped. Don't remember feeling anything else.
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>>25711206
That sounds pretty scary honestly...
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>>25711219
Don't worry it's not that scary, I actually liked how I felt. I even went for a walk on the first day(it was a bad idea probably), but nothing bad happened
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When you cycle prog 2 weeks on 2 weeks off do you work your way back to 200mg every day or just start at 200mg again?
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>>25711009
2mg is fine, you can't tell if you need a higher dose without blood tests. Sublingual might be a bit inconvenient but it increases the amount you get for free. If you feel too tired feel free to go take your dose of cypro every other day, a lot of people are doing that now.
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>>25711946
Going below 12.5mg a day at only 2mg estradiol seems kind of risky regarding testosterone. Most people wait with reducing their dose until they've been on E for a while and increased it.

>>25711591
On and off with the same dose, nothing else.

>>25711168
0.5ml of 10mg/ml would be 5mg. You should not go from 5mg every 7 days to 10mg every 7 days to 15mg every 7 days no.
If you're just going to do injections then sure you can start with 3-5mg a week and see how it goes, get blood tests and maybe increase the dose to 5-7mg if you need to, and then stay there. Or you can just do 5-7mg every 5 days and never get blood tests or change the dose, works for most people.

>>25711142
Generally I would say low.
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>>25712484
>Generally I would say low
why?
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>>25712783
I can't prove it, but it's probably more beneficial in the long term for feminization. Female puberty starts slow and is extremely long. The main advantage of high dose monotherapy is less need for blood testing since it's safer and it's cheap.
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>>25712846
Will it be bad if I start from a high dose?
I'm planning to start hrt in a few weeks and I don't think I'll stay alive for long enough if significant changes from hrt will take a year or more.
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>>25712937
Lots of people do it with good results so I wouldn't consider it bad. There's a small segment about rapid feminization in 3. "Methods" on the right in the picture for the first reply to this thread.
Or you can also just go straight on monotherapy injections.
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Is important to do a bloodtest before starting hrt? Or should I wait till I’ve started
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>>25712982
Thank you
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>>25713077
Not important. I did and it was absolutely useless so far.
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>>25710977
how big of a deal is it if I start prog after 1 year and 9 months compared to after 1 year? i'm tanner stage 3-4
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>>25710977
where on earth should i be going/looking for syringes and needles for hrt injections? local pharmacy doesnt sell any and amazon is a mess to navigate, any recommendations?
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>>25713077
It's "interesting" at most unless you have a serious medical condition that you need to take care of. It's cool to see your pre-transition T and all, but I have not once needed to look at my medical checkup before transitioning.

>>25713375
Not a big deal.

>>25713448
Varies who ships where, but medisave is good for UK. I had good experiences with raymed too.
Also amazon and ebay, never had a problem with that here in Europe. Some sites might not ship to USA or wherever though.
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I’m worried my endo is fucking up my progress:
Currently 4.5 months HRT
>3mg estradiol orally a day
>50mg of spironolactone in the morning and 50mg before bed

Was looking for some advice thinking of asking her:
>Switch to intramuscular injections
>Switch to bicalutamide

Any thoughts?
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>>25713930
I've seen worse. Could probably up to 4mg though. Any blood tests for E2 and total T?
A switch to bicalutamide would probably be good, but a lot of endos don't prescribe it.
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Is it bad If some of my injection leaked out?
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>>25714044
Not a big problem. Try z-tracking and covering over the injection site with your thumb when dragging the needle out, similarly to how doctors usually make you cover up your vein for some seconds right after a blood test to prevent bleeding and then heal immediately.
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>>25714018
Sadly don’t have the results last time I went like 3 months ago which is kind of why I’m stressed at the moment. I’m gonna have another blood test soon and get my results afterwards. I feel really sick that I don’t even know my own E2 and T levels.

>a lot of endos don’t prescribe it
That’s what I’m worried about as well. She said that she really only uses spiro for patients the first time I met her. I’m gonna talk to her about this stuff in probably a week or two. As well I’m worried she won’t switch me to intramuscular or give me prog if I ask (pretty sure I’m at tanner 3).
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why shouldn't i just start with injection monotheraphy? any other reason than stunted breast growth?
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bump
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Is there any data on cycling prog being better or not?
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>>25714079
What does Z-tracking mean?
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How can you prevent breast growth??
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>>25715277
The stunting isn't a fact. It also may not be such a huge difference if it does. Extremely high estradiol levels can, but typical/normal injection doses shouldn't be a huge concern.

Other than that though, no reason not to.
>>25718338
No there isn't, but taking prog daily is known to do what it's supposed to, and has many benefits. I cant say it's better, but it is the typical way to do it.

I wouldn't cycle it unless I had already been on it long term and gotten some results already.
But cycling does have one benefit I've noticed.
It allows the sexual desire component to come back in full force, as daily usage it's there but it becomes more dull.

>>25718347
It mean's pulling the skin up, while piecing the skin with the needle, after you do the injection and pull the needle out you release the skin.

It keeps liquid from escaping, not that a little liquid escaping is a huge issue.

>>25718428
Doing high dose injection monotherapy.
At a minimal, you wants troughs higher than 400pg/ml.
Using Raloxifene on top may help.
Using nicotine daily may also help stunt growth.
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>>25718515
Known by who? I've been on it for 8 months and it hasnt done anything. At worst I'm more worried it's what stunted growth, and have read about it being used specifically to do that. Its technically an androgen, and im not on an AA, and now I've seen people here mention not to take it with spiro, which would mean you need to take it with spiro and bica, which supposedly are bad for growth too? Really not feeling or seeing any benefits, and with the lack of evidence at this point I'm wagering on placebo at best and people undervaluing their E while getting worse results they would otherwise at worst.
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At what age can you no longer have hip growth?
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>>25718588
Well there is evidence that high levels of E can stunt breast growth, the mechanisms behind it makes sense to.

Also the rest of your post is really confusing.
Spiro isn't known to stunt breast growth, at least there is no hard evidence one way or another.
And what is technically an adrogen?
Also what is your dose of injections, the frequency, and do you know your levels?
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>>25718643
"The primary bones begin to fuse at 15-17 years. Fusion is complete between 20-25 years of age."

So it's a window. But 20-25 depending on the person. Typically after 20 I wouldn't count of much.
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>>25718680
Spiro stunting breast growth is as much of an anecdote as progesterone helping it. No real reason to believe or disbelieve either. Cypro is a progestegin and I saw people talking about that meaning it could overlap with progesterone and make them negate each other for some reason.
Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, preferably with sources, my memory is spotty and stuff I read here frequently seems to contradict previous posts.
I inject 5mg/7 days of EC and trough is 273 last test.
Androgens are steroid hormones, which includes both Testosterone and Progesterone. There's overlaps in their function, which is why you see people here talking about Prog causing increased DHT and causing hair loss or increased body hair.
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>>25718713
So if I'm 18, could I expect some growth? I doubt it'll be very considerable
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>>25718588
yes. if you feel like reading:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/comments/l95qtg/a_grand_unified_theory_of_boobs/
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>>25718753
Well I wouldn't say progesterone effects on breast are anywhere close to anecdotal. There is lots of evidence in it's role in breast development, among many other actions in the body.
You could argue it isn't needed in HRT therapy or to reach tanner 5 but it's effects are by no means anecdotal.
Spiro's effects on breast just dont really have a clear mechanism on why it would be bad, and the only studies done on it, are not exactly conclusive either way, just correlations.

Progesterone isn't an androgen, but it can produce androgenic metabolites, like DHT as you mention. I wouldn't worry about androgenic metabolites, unless your getting signs of them while taking prog though.

Cypro's effects on breasts is debated esp at HRT levels, but cypro wouldn't cancel progesterone out.
But your levels are good, what exactly is little to no growth for you? At 8 months how big are your boobs, I only ask because I wonder. I dont really have any suggestions, unless you want to switch your to oral/sub to try and maximize growth.
>>25718762
Yes i've heard a few ppl people mention growth at 18. It happens, how much I cant say off hand.
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>>25710977
I have a question about SRS
hopefully not off-topic, but this board moves too fast and /mtfg/ is useless
Should I use chettawut's default ones or should I buy the fancy reddit soulsource dilators?
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>>25718772
Yes to what? I'm not really seeing how this relates to what I asked, nor how what the post is discussing is in favor for taking, or cycling, progesterone. If anything at most it seems to be saying Prolactin is beneficial to breast growth and progesterone cycling could assist with prolactin's effect on the breast?

>>25718937
My boobs are a 42F, same they were before starting progesterone. I haven't noticed any additional growth and havent been able to maintain a milk supply with the domperidone I've been taking like I was for a few years prior, during which I weant from C to F. What do you mean by "switch your to oral/sub?". I am aiming to maximize breast growth and milk production, just concerned how any progress stopped with starting prog and what I should be doing to continue getting results.
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>>25719188
My surgeon gave me a set of the soulsource ones and they work good, haven't used anything else so I can't compared though.
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running low on hrt, my last vial will probably gone in the three months and I won't be able to order myself more -- I've been having thoughts of quitting, too for personal reasons.

Is quitting cold turkey once it runs out safe? do i need to taper or anything
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>>25719815
I'd reconsider. I say this because so many people quit only for dysphoria, and the reality of what your doing, to hit you so hard you panic, and you just end up restarting hrt anyway.

But as far as quitting no you do not need to taper, you can just quit.
>>25719405
Progesterone is used to stop milk production, even when taking domp, it can make it very hard to keep a supply going.

If you've been growing your boobs with domp, the reason your growth has stopped is because prog stops lactation. It's really just that simple, you can continue with domp and prog, and still get results, but not nearly as good as if you were lactating.

You really should be taking prog on the off part of your lactation cycles, if 200mg's stops you milk production.

Like in natural lactation prog and E drop, and that along with prolactin induces the lactation, high levels of prog naturally kind of stop it.

Dont mind my mention of oral/sublingual E.
Your posts didn't make the situation clear, and It's not important.
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>>25721758
> just end up restarting hrt anyway.
I can't order myself anymore now, since the removal of Paypal from otoko early 2021 because ID issues plus lack of funds. I literally can't afford to even if I wanted to
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>>25721827
Order up some Raw E powder then, you can use pay-pal. It's way cheaper. You can measure the E powder out with ethanol, or a mg scale.
Then either take the powder sublingually/orally, or rectally.
You can prepare injections with it too, it's not super hard either.
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>>25721827
Plus there is skippy too, who sell's E pills and injections.
I dont have his discord, or email. But people here would.
The fact you would give up because one seller is out is crazy lol.
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>>25721866
that is too insane for me, I've been thinking of quitting for months now since before New Years.
If I still had access to some I'd continue, but longterm its looking bleak since I'm a neet.
>>25721875
>just buy from my guy Skippy!
>don't worry, he's legit. It's Skippy!
>giving up is crazy
I have no funds, I already stated that in my post.
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>>25721901
I mean I cant force you too, or persuade you but if you have the desire to start HRT, and feminize your body. It's not like in the future, masculinizing again your not going to just go.... "hmmm this is ok now"

Nothing has changed except now you have none. It's just if the only reason your stopping is because you dont have a source, that's just ignorance. There is nothing insane about ordering raw E powder and taking it sublingually.
Ordering up from skippy is no more sketchy than otoko, they are literally doing the same exact thing.
Now just speaking personally but I dont know what to tell YOU about funds, but I have and would sell my body if I had too. You only need to fuck one john, condomed of course and you have 100$ at the least.
I'd collect fucking cans and scrap metal if I had too.
I'd beg and beg, any guy I was fucking, I'd see if they had some sympathy, I'd beg on discord.
I'd pawn some of my shit, if needed.
It's just making a bleak situation bleaker isn't going to be fun.
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(UK) Can someone link me where I can buy sterilized/safe needles for injections? Ty
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>>25722231
you seriously can't just walk into a pharmacy or is it illegal to posses pointy objects that may be used for stabbing in britain?
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>>25719477
How important do you think the bend in the dilator was?
What depth did you start with, and what do you have now?
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so are shots really more effective than pills or is just a meme? Im about to hit 3 months and go back in for bloodwork/raised dosage, and what i hear makes it feel like the injections are the way to go?
(transfem btw)
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>>25722699
Idk but right now 5 months in it feels no different except its nice not having to worrying about forgetting to swallow a pill every 6 hours.
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>>25722699
Injections give very consistent levels, very easy to achieve a desired level. Only need to be used 5-10 days depending on the type of Estradiol ester.

They are far more effective compared to some of the low doses people get will pills.
But getting the same levels whether it's by pills or injections will give you equal results.

It's just easy to get good levels with injections.
Plus with injections you can avoid having to use AA's, which for health reasons, monotherapy injections are better.
Personally it's what I always recommend.
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>>25722231
just look up insulin needles online, it's incredibly easy to do

I typically buy from ukmedi because I'm scared of getting them in person from a pharmacy, but there's 100 places online that you can buy them cheap at

Probably don't need to tell you but remember to get a sharps bin and dispose of them properly
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>>25718643
Don't bother yourself with hip growth too much, it's not all bones, but also muscle and fat
Cardio and specific exercises will help you with that, hrt will give you some fat redistribution
Rearranging your pelvis will not help that mugh
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>>25722554
Depth has always been 5.5-6 inches, my surgeon said it never increases. At most dilating takes you back to the max depth, but it won't ever permanently decrease, just maybe temporarily if you dont put anything in there for a long time, past the 1y mark anyway, before that they said not dilating enough could do so permanently. idk if the bend affected how well it worked or anything, but it does feel good at least and the bend is probably why I'll use the dilator more than any dildo lol.
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>>25721758
I haven't been cycling the domp at all, just taking it for 4 years or so, should I be doing that? How often would I cycle and how long should I do it for?
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retarded question: when taking an estrofem tablet sublingually, does it matter which part of the tongue i place it under?
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Looks like i've run out of my supply and I'll have to share a valerate vial with my girlfriend. Is it a bad idea to fill a few syringes ahead of time and keep them in that form? So i don't need to visit her every time I need to take an injection
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How are you supposed to take domperidone, is it taken twice a day or something?
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>>25721875
It's Spiffy, and she's a girl.

>>25721901
She's legit. If worst comes to worst, suck one dick on grindr and you have your hormones for a year. One dick. Just one.

>>25723847
Not as long as you manage to not fill your entire mouth with saliva and swallow all of it. It absorbs well if you manage to keep it somewhat dry and not shit afround too much.

>>25724368
It increases exposure to potential contaminants, but it's not a huge deal. Heroin addicts do that often, though they usually inject it all within a week.
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>>25710977
I've got 2 questions about SERMs:
Is there a reliable and inexpensive source of raloxifene at the moment?
BuyDeus were selling it, but their website is down.
Are the risks/side-effects of tamoxifen overblown in DIY communities? People always say not to take it becuase it causes liver toxicity, but hasn't it replaced raloxifene primarily because of its safety profile?

Might just give up and grow conetits... I fucking hate prescription control.
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>>25725669
I'm not sure about safety, but I think the primary reason Tamoxifen replaced Raloxifen is because most users are women with breast cancer and Tamoxifen is more powerful, so even if it may have more adverse effects (that we know of, likely Ralox has similar side effects but less studied), it is better at preventing cancer growth and when it comes to cancer you generally don't fuck around and potential harm elsewhere is better than cancer for someone who have cancer or are at very high risk of it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11988138/
>Raloxifene is associated with less side effects than tamoxifen in women with early breast cancer: a questionnaire study from one physician's practice
https://www.cancer.gov/types/breast/research/star-trial-results-qa
>This means that raloxifene reduces risk of non-invasive breast cancer by about 38 percent compared to tamoxifen reducing risk for this type of cancer by about 50 percent; or raloxifene is about 78 percent as effective as tamoxifen in reducing the risk of noninvasive breast cancer over almost 7 years

I think things like bodybuilders and femboys and men trying to prevent gyno are an afterthought in why it replaced Raloxifene.
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is 7mg EV every 5 days too high? i tried switching to 5mg for like 3 weeks because someone told me 7mg was too high but i felt like shit so i was thinking of going back to 7mg
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How concerning is high billirubin on bica?
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>>25725451
I take it three times a day at 40mg each time. You should work your way up from a lower dosage to lower the side effect of headaches it can cause, id say start with 10mg*3 times a day and work your way up adding 10mg to one of the times you take it each day or two. like 10/10/10 day 1, maybe for a few days, then 10/10/20, 20/10/20, 20/20/20 etc. from what ive read you want to be on at least 30/30/30 for lactation and going up to 40*3 should be the cap, though ive heard of going up to 50*3. Just remember more dom/prolactin alone wont make it work better and you need to be diligant about pumping and staying hydrated.
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I know a lot of people say it’s better to slowly ramp up estrogen, but at what point is it too slow? Like for example, 6 months in what E levels should I be aiming for?
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Anybody in the UK bought OtokonokoPharm's dick gel within the past month? Last person I heard from had theirs seized and I want to know if it's safe to order to here again yet, tried emailing the site weeks back and didn't get a response
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>>25725479
how the fuck do people here resort to the thought of degeneracy so quickly over other alternatives
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>>25726855
It wasn't too serious. The point is that I am sure there is something someone can do to make $100. If one actually cares, one finds a way. You can grind video games for $1 an hour with some help on what to mindlessly grind for pennies, only 100 hours a year for HRT. Anon is literally a neet, she has all the time to find a way to come up with $100 whether it's a good hourly pay or not instead of giving up before it even began.
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If only they didn't have to remove paypal as a payment method from otoko, easiest way to get it ever.
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>>25727517
You can get a debit card through paypal to just use your paypal anywhere that takes cards.
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>transfem
>starting at 23
is it over
i see pretty ladies transition later than me but i worry theyre just exceptional
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Thinking about switching from pills to injections soon, is 6mg of valerate every 5 days a good dose to start with? I know the OP pic is 5 but I've seen Powers uses 6, but I also don't wanna like overdose or anything
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>>25728538
Age is a meme, what actually matters is genetics, hormone exposure, and development. At worst surgeries exist for everything but making you shorter. You'll be fine, it just might be harder for you than some other people, same as anything else in life.
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>>25728187
but they don't accept paypal there anymore..........
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>>25728675
Read nigga.
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>>25727517
>>25728187
PayPal and Credit Cards will get the supplier banned over and over for breaking ToS. Any supplier that accepts them it's only a matter of time before they get banned. Some of them pay friends and family to make new accounts and get banned for them.
Bitcoin and bank transfer are the only reliable payment methods for a supplier.

>>25728545
Both are fine.
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>>25728808
um, nigga...... do you see a debit card option here, nigga?
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>>25728844
Ok but you never said they dont take debit card. Skill issue, cope. Use a better website. If somewhere doesnt want your money don't give it to them dont get another job figuring out how to pay them. Crypto isn't real money what's the matter with you.
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>>25728872
>skill issue
why did you assume they would I literally mentioned the site and you didn't know that much from the beginning why choose to weigh in anyway. dilate

I'll either call it quits with hrt or ask somebody order for me with crypto at the expense of a dox.
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>>25711154
I'm still as dead inside as before l, can't cry, possibly a bit happier

1 mont hrt
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>>25728576
thank you, im only like 2 months in now and ive been over my head depressed thinking im just playing pretend
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>>25728808
>>25728872
Telling people to read, not reading yourself, and being this obnoxious. Why are you trying to tell someone how to buy something when you don't even know yourself how to do it? We have no choice, and crypto is a real P2P transport of money whether you hold it as a store of value or not which is the more questionable aspect of crypto. Simple. Read >>25728837. It is what it is. PayPal and Credit Cards ban sale of prescription medicine without license to people without prescription.

>>25728914
At most I could help you buy crypto if you have an ID and then you can do it yourself. All other transaction methods are reversible and doxable which I'd rather not. It's generally pretty easy if you're 18+, have an ID, and a bank account. Bit harder in some countries though.
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>>25728914
I dont know or use whatever the site is or care, just gave the alternative to expand using their paypal. Saying paypal doesn't work again doesnt further the communication and just makes them look retarded. I'll forgive them though, we're not all perfect.

Maybe I will dilate though, since I'm able to and it feels good.

>>25729003
cope. just have a bank.

>>25728992
yw babe. good luck
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>>25729021
>I dont know or use whatever the site is or care
again why weigh in, didn't read past this part btw
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>>25729021
Just kill yourself if youre not gonna help and start mansplaining useless shit. You aren't trying to help.
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>>25729042
They had an issue with using paypal. I gave a solution to that that would work anywhere else that bans paypal but allows cards. I even specifically said it only applied if they took cards. What does responding back saying "they dont take paypal" again even mean?

>>25729055
You aren't helping anything either. Stop posting. Go for a walk. There's literally nothing to get this pissy about >>25729003 go the fuck back whiny faggot fuck.
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>>25729093
Go find all the suppliers that accepts card, good luck retard.
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>>25729114
Yeah my pharmacy takes them just fine thanks.
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just have a bank account and order from people who don't cook in bathtubs why is this even an argument that's happening, godamn people.
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>>25729127
Useless smug retard who can't read.
>Prescription
>Without prescription.
People wouldn't use all these suppliers if they had better options available, genius.
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>>25729155
You asked for suppliers that take card, didn't mention anything about prescription. How can I read what you don't post???
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>>25729155
I have a prescription and I use inhouse because my insurance won't cover cypro and my doctor refuses to raise my dose above 4mg/day sub. I even bought some russian bica I never used and still have. I'm pretty sure the E I get from inhouse might even be a better deal, idk anon there's lots of reasons to use the available sources.
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I'm actually just pissy because my parents are fighting again and it's driving me insane listening to it. You should still kill yourself though.
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Whats Powers current take on initial dosage and following increases? What levels to aim for?

Kinda cant find it on his reddit.
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>>25729219
Didn't ask. I'm sorry though.
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yay finally got some ee to suisse (previous meds were confiscated by customs/swissmedic)

i was one week without e, but not without bica

i did lena's thing once a week, 20-something units. but now this is saying to do every 14 days. do i just halve the instructed dose if i want to continue doing once a week? i don't want some rollercoaster levels (like ec would give too)

also very cringe packaging
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i jerk off every day on 2.5ml a week of lenas e why is it still hard for me to get fully hard sometimes? or i lose it really fast if i dont focus
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I have stupid lumps under nips, theyre really hard and sensitive will they atleast become soft if cancel mones
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>>25730104
Jesus, do people really inject that shit? Lena was 1000% legit, otokonoko probably sells legit estrogen but I wouldn't trust them it's safe for injections
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>>25731945
i'm very limited by quantities that i can import or they'll get caught. and he at least took shipping it seriously by having it go through some intermediary country and the stealth packaging. don't think it's less trustworthy than lena's, tho that's not saying much because they both probably use(d) the cheapest raw stuff from china
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>>25730104
gross
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>>25710977
I think i'm going to give up on transition
i try every form of hrt and none of them work
im taking 5mg cypionate and my levels are insanely inconsistent
i was at 204 pg/mL at the end of march and now i'm at 105 today. no dose change whatsoever
what the fuck am i doing wrong
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>>25733273
bump b/c im scared
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i have about 30 duta pills left and i was wondering if instead of taking a pill a day i could switch to a pill every 2 days as im at my parents for the moment and cant really order to their house?
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>>25733273
>insanely inconsistent
insanely incosistent does not equal bad, some people skip injections for one week or so because its not really natural to have consistently the same levels. 105pg/ml at trough is not great but its also not bad either.
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>>25733913
yeah 105 is not great. isn't it supposed to be around 200-300?
Issue is i have no idea how its happening. who knows if 90% of the time i'm at 105 and not 205?.
i've had this same issue, low e levels despite high dose on valerate, and pills as well.
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>>25733979
>isn't it supposed to be around 200-300?
t b h as long as your t is supressed then its fine i guess. when i first started hrt i was told that having lows of 150pg/ml is actually way too high, information seems to change every now and then. i remember lena saying to someone on a different forum that she would not reccomend to up your dose if your trough is around 110pg/ml, as according to her that kind of level is totally normal. you can up your dose if you feel that your levels are too low. also 5mg of cypionate is not exactly a high dose either. for example im on 8mg een injecting every week
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>>25733979
could it be because i use bica?
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>>25734186
>for example im on 8mg een injecting every week
coincidentally, i think i went to 7, and next bloodwork i was over 300pg/mL
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Is it normal to have a milky, gooey discharge from your penis? It's not semen because when I orgasm it's clear and runny. Also I haven't slept with anyone so it's not an STD.

I'm on weekly EV injections 6mg, and daily prog in my butt 100mg. My levels were completely fine last time I checked.
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>>25734211
yeah thats very normal.
>>25734202
on 8mg my trough is 225pg/ml. everyone is different and takes in e differently
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>>25734253
>everyone is different and takes in e differently
is it not weird that i'm getting drastically different levels over this though? i'm testing the same time every time.
i did notice a lot leak out last injection before this bloodtest, idk why that happens sometimes or how to stop it
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>>25734316
>i did notice a lot leak out last injection before this bloodtest,
there is your answer. to stop it from happening keep your needle inside of you for about 30seconds after you finish injecting, also press your injection site with an alchohol swab straight after you take the needle out
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>>25734422
>to stop it from happening keep your needle inside of you for about 30seconds after you finish injecting, also press your injection site with an alchohol swab
i use little alcohol wipes, does that work? also thank you for the tips i'll do that. i assume a little blob surfacing after injection is fine but it shouldn't be running down the side of my thigh or anything
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>>25734576
yeah alcohol wipes work and yeah a little blob is fine
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Need some help, Long story short, some freak shit happened and I'm short on HRT pills for a few weeks. I take Estradial (4mg, 2 pills) and Spiro (25mg, 1pill). I fucked up and won't be able to get some more till the end of the month, only have enough Estro to last me 6 more days.

The Spiro should last till the end of the month but should I take it without the Estro? Or stop taking it and wait till I get some more? Anything bad gonna happen to my body from not taking it for a few weeks?
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Will taking HCG give me bigger balls?
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Today is my 2 month anniversary. My chest is starting to look not flat. not a huge milestone but I'm happy about it :)
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>>25735936
lol ??? today’s my two month anniversary too
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where can i order t??
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>>25736009
Congrats bestie
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my E levels were <100 after 2 months

Even if I double my dose I’m not sure if it would be better to do sublingual admin or just do oral for the next few months and ride it out. I know it’s a marathon, but I get so nervous when I see a number that small. My AA is definitely working and I know that’s the big thing, but geez
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Does E cause irreversible testicular atrophy? How long until they will shrink so much they won't be able to produce tedtosterone? Or should I get orchi anyway
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>>25734708
That spiro dose is really low, do you notice things like lower libido? I take 100mg which I thought was the minimum. Not taking it will just revert your hormones for a while, usually not a big problem in terms of effects
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Can anyone recommend me some estrogen patches or gel? I only know about Climara and Oestrogel but both of those are out of stock everywhere I look.
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>>25730104
Can they be trusted, I've just ordered EV from them. Also the shipping has said it's in a "Clearance event" for the past 5 days, am I busted?
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Any recommended sites to buy needles, in the UK preferably. Seems a bit suspicious to use a random one
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>>25740376

I'm >>25740365 and I used ukmedi. Still waiting on the EV though
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>>25740430
Tyvm!
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Am I going to die or fuck up my brain or body doing 12.5mg of cypro and 2mg of e daily?
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>>25741197
no
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>>25741197
>>25741223
Oh, I forgot to mention that I'm not taking bloodtests.
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>>25741234
no
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hellooo so I've just had my prog levels tested for the first time and it's at 3 pg/ml, is that an alright level? what's the goal usually?

I definitely feel much better since I've started on prog (I take it orally btw)
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What's the regimen people do for cycling prog/dom? I havent heard of cycling things outside of here and don't know how or why to do it.
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I have 250ng/ml prolactin, am I dying? I don't lactate and I can get horny just fine, and I don't feel ill overall so I don't understand what the fuck is going on
1/4 cypro every 2 days + 0.15ml bathtub een every week
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>>25741619
How high is your E? High E alone, but especially with cypro since it's a progestin can cause increased prolactin. Milk can't come in till prolactin has been that high or more for long enough to develop milk ducts, and 250 isnt a dangerous level.
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>>25741850
>How high is your E? High E alone, but especially with cypro since it's a progestin can cause increased prolactin. Milk can't come in till prolactin has been that high or more for long enough to develop milk ducts, and 250 isnt a dangerous level.
250pg/ml E
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>>25741887
Should be fine then.
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>>25741927
I feel like I'm dead already
How high is the probability I have a cancer? I did the blood work and there were other things and everything else is fine (my endo told me what blood work things were required). Could it be the een instead of cypro?
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>>25742015
My prolactin levels have been like 1200 with no negative side effects. It's fine and just happens because of E sometimes. Just means you have good receptors.
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>>25742133
I don’t know, I don’t think my receptors are good. I decided not to take more Cypro and will get a new blood work but right now I’m basically stressed as hell
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Estradiol values in the 80’s after 2 months is shit right?
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>>25742266
Dont worry its good. Your levels are good keep it up.

>>25742280
yes
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>>25742429
Cool. My dose got doubled but just reasoning it out, it’s probably 3 more months of shit

Oh well. It was over anyways
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what did this poor anon do to herself >>25742484
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>>25742429
> levels are good
I hope so… I’ll cut off cypro
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>>25738522
Yeha I have a lower libido, I've only been on for 8 months
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Are you supposed to put estrogen pills under your tongue, or is that just for sublingual tablets?
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>>25742280
I’m going from 2 mg estradiol to 4mg estradiol

For the normal football-shaped pills, can those be done sublingual or just swallow those? Does that even make a difference at all?
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>>25744024
I think you'll benefit from reading the first post in this thread.(second image)
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>>25710977
>HRT 2 months
>DIY
Is spiro, like, noticeably bad for breast development? I'm taking 100mg per day and I don't really have any side effects from it and my T is in fem range, but I'm kinda scared of making my breast growth worse, should I switch to a different AA?
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Anyone else here post op who can advise me on a good level. Im at 100pg now (was previously much higher pre op) as ive started using lenzetto and my doctor said I didn't need so much anymore. What sort of amounts of E do you all take? Specifically transdermal and is 100 a reasonable number now at post op. My doctor says that 100 is fine now but wanted to check here too
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I need to wait until 12th month before I can say It's fucking over, right? 6 month in currently + good levels aside from dht (15.5ng/dl) which I soon plan to nuke with bica and duta and look the same, but I'm still losing hair
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>>25745036
Your doctor is retarded. you still want 200-280pg even post op. You have a vagina, you're not post menopausal.
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>>25745117
no thats a mono therapy level which isn't required once testes have been removed. Around 100-150 is the usual post op number
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>>25745185
You can just look at your test results and see what the normal range is for ciswomen to answer your question for where it should be.
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>>25745036
I think you should pick 150pg/ml E2. Not quite monotherapy levels, but good for keeping yourself feminine. Long term low estrogen post-op is for losers.
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>>25710977
if i start doing patches instead of pills do i still need to take an AA?
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>>25745326
Ive seen it mentioned here before that if you don’t need test suppressed that the best fat redistribution occurs at around 100pg. Anyone know?
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Have been experiencing joint pain in my hands, knees, and feet after some time on hormones (21 MTF for 1.5 years), Does anyone have any advice? I know other trans girls who have run into this, and my only thoughts are that I need to pick back up on exercise (or possible do Anavarr or something, being active as a child probably left my body structure too developed for estrogen alone).
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What's the absolute fastest shipping of EV to eastern US? Otokonoko? I took the foil off my lena vial for the first time in a while and I'm WAY lower than I thought I was.
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Ok who wants to describe the science behind an extreme testosterone jump on bica? I’m talking like a HUGE jump

Like to levels that I didn’t know my body could produce

I knew it would increase a bit but it’s not even close
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>>25748618
Increase a bit? It's normal for it to go up 1.5-2x according to some studies I saw before.

>>25748592
Otokonoko/Spiffy
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>>25749047
It was more like 3x
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>>25749047
>Otokonoko/Spiffy
Any idea/estimate what shipping speeds are like? I have 3ish weeks left I think, I can't imagine it'd take longer than that but if it did...
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My endo won't approve of me taking progesterone. Cis women have progesterone so I don't see why I shouldn't. Since progesterone also increases estrogen levels is it just a case of swapping out one of the 2mg estradiol pills I take every day with 2mg of prog or is it a bit more complex than that?
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>>25733856
bump need an answer pls
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>>25749490
>Since progesterone also increases estrogen levels
no it doesnt
>is it just a case of swapping out one of the 2mg estradiol pills I take every day with 2mg of prog or is it a bit more complex than that?
progesterone comes in 100mg and 200mg amounts, dont replace any E with prog
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why do my nipples seem to be losing sensitivity? they used to feel really good when i played with them in the first few months of hrt but now they dont feel nearly as good anymore is this normal :/
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>>25750336
ive been experiencing this too unfortunately, its so sad cause i got really attached to playing with them
i find that mindset plays a large role for me now, plus try very light touches, overstimulating them makes them lose sensitivity
also maybe try upping your progesterone dose? or try getting on it if you aren't already
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>>25750336
It is normal;
Pain isn't necessary for growth;
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>>25749108
UK here, ordered april 17th, recieved 3rd of may. 16 days

>>25740365
Mine was 5 days of "clearance event", Brazil has a port strike thats been going on for years or some shit. You can email Lilian if your worried
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>>25749982
Nvm I was given completely false information. Is it safe to just stick 100mg of prog a day on top of 8mg estradiol?
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>>25745048
Anyone?
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does mtf hrt at age 21 shrink the brain??
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My hair started to fall out and thin a lot after starting prog and I think my hairline has receded. Is there anything to be done about this or do I rope? T level under 10 the whole time.
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>>25710977
Is oral estradiol just clearly the worst? The levels suck and it sounds like literally no one is happy with the progress they make on it. I get that starting slow in theory helps breast development, but is it really worth potentially stunting other changes? Like wouldn’t that mean it’s going to take even longer for fat redistribution? I guess that would be okay because I can just do weight loss until then but im thinking of maybe switching to a different route around 6 months?
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>>25751664
help
also is erectile dysfunction and shirnkage inevitable over like a decade?
so if you have some or none by year 10 you have a large degree of either or both?
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>>25752322
1 year in with just injections and my testes or dick hasn't shrunk
I don't have erectile dysfunction, it's just harder for me to cum and a little harder to get random boners. I still get plenty hard fast when I get excited about something
also I still cum a bit, but I fap like once every 2 weeks, but it's really watery
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I've been on hrt for almost 7 years and have had hardly any breast growth. Ive been on sublingual, injections, prog, and even tried dom and herbal suplements, massaging and gaining like 60 lbs over a couple years and none of its worked. All my fat has gone to my thighs and stomach. I'm losing hope anything is going to work and thinking im just fucked. I don't understand why nothings worked, all the women in my family are like K cups or more so genes should be fine. I had sub 200 t before even starting and dont have to worry about that any more either. I was even trying having e prog and prolactin at the same time like what supposedly causes breast hypertrophy and that didnt work either. Are my receptors just fucked and nothing will work?
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im lazy i don't like doing sublingual estradiol i was good about it for the first like 10 months but i've been missing doses n taking them orally cuz its so much effort can i just boof it
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Did anyone's penis skin get all fugged up from hrt? This has been an issue for me for years but yesterday I was fapping and the skin on the underside of my penis tore cause the skin is so thin now. I always get a red streak on the underside of my penis too. Plus sometimes when I get hard it feels like the skin is being stretched too far... it got worse after my orchi as well.
I don't want to have to see a doctor about this....
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>>25752671
did you get rid of the scrotum? this might have been the cause
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>>25752714
No I had an inguinal orchi. No scars on my scrotum or anything.
Is it maybe cause I squish everything so much I damaged something?
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>>25751959
It's probably DHT, get dutasteride from medicalwellnesscenter.com
I picked up the mefs 36 hours after I submitted the form.
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>>25752544
4 years hrt, on injections, and i don't think i've lost size but i can only get 80-90% hard most of the time and i can't stay fully hard for as long as before
what do? i jerk off daily

does anyone know if long term hrt after age 21 does anything bad to your brain development?
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Anyone know for a fact if Estrofem can be taken rectally, and if so if it's as good as sublingual in terms of how effective it is?
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>>25753311
I think the main issue would be solubility. Just popping the pill in there would probably just result in it sitting there forever.
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>>25753334
so if i boof it and then i feel in there like an hour later and i cant find it then it's probably good?
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>>25753363
You could try it but you should really get a blood test to verify whether it's working.
I can't think of any reason estradiol wouldn't absorb rectally it's just that pills aren't exactly made to dissolve in your butt. Even for sublingual they don't dissolve all that great.
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So, I just started hrt and I have a question. I'm doing weight loss at a 1000 calorie cut. Will being on such a cut affect breast development? Am I good to keep going until a certain point? Would it be better to do a smaller cut at to BMR instead of below?
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>>25710977
if I'm 3.5 years into E+spiro is there any point in me taking prog in a desperate bid to not have cones or are my breast buds fused and it's a waste of time?
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is 12,5mg cypro + 50mg bica + 4mg E (gel) daily okay?
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>>25756219
first year of hrt thats fine, you dont need the added cypro likely
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>took hrt for fun
>grew boobs
>liked having them
>didn't like other people seeing them
>unironically wish i were a woman more after going on hrt

Where do i go from here? I't not that i'm unhappy, quite the opposite but i just have this nagging feeling of being unfulfilled
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>hrt 4 months
>spiro 100 mg / day
>no side effects
>t in fem range
>afraid of spiro making my breast growth worse
Am I fine staying on spiro or should I switch to a different AA?
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How have HRT affected you mentally? What to expect?
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>>25757394
Spiro doesn't effect breast growth, at least there is no good conclusive evidence that it does. Nor is there a proposed mechanism for why it would.

No reason to switch if that's your concern.
I'd still switch personally, just because spiro has such a large side effect profile
>>25757360
I suppose you try and transition fully, and bridge the gap from feminine man to woman.
It's either that or accepting what you are now.
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>>25753311
To take estrofem rectally, you need to crush the tablet up with two spoons, mix with 3ml water, and inject into your butt with a lubed up, oral syringe.

Aside from the work, it works fine rectally. Best to let the powder sit in the water for a little, and you really wanna crush it up fine, since it's a suspension mostly, rather than a solution.

You can get by on 1-1.5 mg's a day rectally, possible even less.
It's extremely efficient.
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Is there a good article on breast development? im 2 months in now and already had growth, now my breast buds (?) are developing (area around and behind areola getting hard) don't know when to takev progesterone
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Im going to diy with pic rel and bica. how do i stop myself from hondosing me
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>>25758160
https://transfemscience.org/articles/p4-breast-dev-puberty/
https://transfemscience.org/articles/progestogens-suboptimal-breast-dev-excerpts/
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>>25752971
>>25752322
>>25751664
bump
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>>25759530
apply t cream to your cock and balls or something
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>>25758899
I don't take Bicalutamide but you should take 2mg the first 1 or 2 months, then go with 4 mg.
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>>25761390
does that even work
what about my brain dude
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i think hrt gave me Peyronie’s disease, it's been 4 years and my cock bends up a lot at a specific point near the base and i dont think it was always like this
what do i do?
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>>25758917
So don't take progesterone, got it. What DO I do though?
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anyone have an orchi? what is your hrt like now?

i'm doing injections, rectal prog and a small dose of bica now at 3yrs in. thinking of getting an orchi this fall
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>>25763579
i'm considering an orchi and am curious too. 5-6mg sublingual a day plus 1 100mcg patch for raised trough plus 12 week deca shot. no prog yet
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why do boners still hurt for me 4 years into hrt when i use my dick daily?
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>>25763621
Because girls aren't supposed to have penises.
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>>25745590
Of course, even more
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If I can still jack off and ejaculate three to four weeks into HRT, is something wrong? Triptorelin/Decapeptyl + 2mg e orally + 0.5mg fin.

Like I'm not complaining (at all) but I'm hearing different experiences from most people.
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>>25764070
Why couldn't you jack off and cum on hrt? You get less horny, less hard and feels worse but still works. I think T suppression causes it. If you don't feel a lower libido or any change in jacking off, something might be off with your antiandrogen dose. I'd switch to sublingual estrogen too just to be sure.
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Why do people cycle progesterone and/or domperidone? The only supporting evidence I've seen for taking either one just mentions continually taking it. Curious because the prog I got from my doctor just says to take daily and doesn't mention this at all so not sure if I should cycle or not.
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will wearing a binder while doing prog make my boobs round while keeping them smol
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>>25764773
>supporting evidence
kek
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>>25764858
It will make them malformed and ugly if that's what you want.
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>>25762840
it works for most people that get shrinkage and ED, be aware you gotta use it or lose it basically
brain stuff is just honscience mostly. I remember hearing it will shrink some part of the brain that guards you from concussions, but that's it. You're not going to be losing IQ points
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Is it better to start mono therapy or with spiro + e
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>>25754934
Bump
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Are there any ways to tell if you’re getting DHT backdoored by prog?
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has anyone ordered from the euaibolit site? im looking at all these sites trying to get something while my prescription is out and this one has what i need but all the FAQs are in latin and i want to know how fast it will ship...
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what does significantly raises SHBG level means? this is bad why?
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>>25767855
Hmm anon if only there was like an online search index and/or encyclopedia where you could read about these strange acronyms..hmmm...
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>>25767884
they all basically say
>Symptoms of high SHBG are similar to those of low male sex hormone levels.
this is bad for MtF as the OP image implies why????
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so if I dissolve estradiol valerate under my tongue I it won't significantly raise SHBG levels unlike sending it to my stomach? so why take it orally in the frist place?
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My cock hurts at the base for a while unless I use it many times that day or I'm lucky and has a curve
If I ever quit HRT would it reverse the pain and curve that's a little focused towards the base of my dick?
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>>25765642
???????
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>>25710977
Is there any diffrence in hip growth depending on whether you start with pills + AA od mono injections?
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I injected 15mg EEn IM into the thigh and got bloodwork done after 14 days
Estrodial came back at 103pmol/l which seems quite low given that injectable simulator says it should be around 230

Did I fuck up?
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Bump
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When people say "use it or lose it", just how often SHOULD you be using it? Like if I masturbate once a week is that enough?
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can somebody explain to me what exactly progesterone is doing in terms of breast developement, and otherwise developement of secondary sex characteristics?
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Best fucking thread on this board and it's dead
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>>25771968
Yeah, this and vtg are pretty much the only reasons to ever come to this place.
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I wonder if its more viable to just order raw/bulk estrogen and make injection solution/pills at home for personal use.
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>>25772868
not really, you need to buy a minimum amount and while the powder will last, the oil won't, and you need a bunch of other stuff that you can't order in individual units
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Are there any complications I should be worried about if I take EEC, Domperidone, Progesterone, and Dutasteride at the same time?
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>>25771067
The combination of Prolactin and Progesterone is supposedly what leads to the development of the milk ducts/breast alveoli. Any potential "growth" Progesterone causes theoretically would just be due to an increase in this tissue.
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>>25771968
Can't expect people to sit here unpaid all day every day. Every good thread has periods of inactivity.
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>started 2 months ago
>2mg E oral once a day + GnRH agonist depot
current labs, 23h after last E dose:
>E: 33pg/ml
>T: 20ng/dl
boobs hurt and grow, skin gets softer, little bit more fat, muscle and testes started to shrink but that E is basicly the same as pre HRT at trough.

Someone might explain why I experience feminization despite E blood levels still being very low?
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>>25765984
Asking again
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>>25735807
Anecdotally bodybuilders say yes, but temporary until you quit taking it. If you have underdeveloped testicles or penis it could be permanent though, they use that on patients who need to take exogenoust testosterone during puberty and also ensure that they get growth down there which testosterone usually doesn't do hence why bodybuilders shrink as exogenous hormones don't help the gonads.

>>25736158
It's like, the easiest thing to find out of all illegal things on the internet. I don't wanna get banned for this again so I won't tell you, but literally just use DDG or Google and look for it. Be a little bit smart with how you search if you're not getting results. Keywords, not sentences.

>>25736877
I'd do a slow increase in oral, but both are fine options.

>>25738307
Yes it can be irreversible, but they're going to stop shrinking at some point and you will still be able to produce testosterone. If you want permanent no testosterone even without meds you need orchi.

>>25739084
hrt.cafe/gel/
hrt.cafe/patches/

>>25744306
Nobody knows if it is really bad for breast growth, but it is bad in general. I think it's better to switch to bica if you can.

>>25745048
A lot of people can confidently say it's over at 12 months, and then find out it's not over after 5 years. Yeah you need to nuke that DHT to fix your hairloss.

>>25752279
I find oral estrogen works better than what most people claim, but I also got far worse levels on transdermal than other people while being very skinny. It's very individual it seems. 4mg oral gets me an easy 80+pg/ml, and 120+ at 6mg. That's not too bad for oral. If I want higher I can switch back to injections anyways.
Some people get really high estrone from oral and it seems to weaken the E2 though.
If you care less about breasts then a lot of people recommend sublingual for a faster feminization.

>>25752545
I know that feel anon. Maybe try Pioglitazone to move fat from stomach to thighs and see if it helps with breasts.
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Should I drop androcur? E is 254pg/ml
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>>25752662
It's doable. You'll be sticking pills up your but several times a day though, not exactly that fun compared to switching to injections.

>>25752671
>>25752758
Your skin has atrophied hence it hurts when you get hard and the penis skin stretches out. I think you can help thicken the skin with topical testosterone which helps with stretching it since there's more to pull if it's something that bothers you.

>>25752971
This is your life on hrt. Your best options for restoring penis use is topical testosterone, progesterone. Or just letting it be.
Your brain will be fine, assuming you get off unhealthy medicine like cypro in the long term.

>>25756084
Worth a desperate try if nothing is happening.

>>25756219
Yes, but pick only cypro or bica, not both. And E of course.

>>25757479
Not that much. Less dissociated. Most of my changes have come from dropping the ego and unrepressing mental blocks, not hrt itself. I don't think I am very different than before hrt, just less closed off to myself.

>>25762859
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/peyronies-disease/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20353473
A doctor might be able to help you, but yeah this does happen to some trans women.

>>25763579
>>25763620
The general switch from no orchi to orchi is dropping the AA, or a slight reduction in monotherapy dose. Most people still stick to between 100-200pg/ml E2 in various estradiol intake methods to not be stuck with low estrogen, even if it beomes more viable to lower it without worrying about T.

>>25766473
Bloodtesting. Androgenic side effects.

>>25767674
A bunch of people on transdiy have reported they still ship and it takes the usual 1-4 weeks and you'll never know if it's fast or slow.

>>25768071
SHBG can still spike on high estrogen, but less so than oral. Oral is easier and less spiky, some people prefer that. I personally get mood swings on sublingual, awful ones. Other than that, sublingual is generally better.
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>>25768155
You can try, but Collagenase seems more interesting.

>>25768750
Most women continue getting hip growth even with high estrogen, but high estrogen is also said to signal the the end of hip growth for females. It might make a difference, but I doubt it would be big unless you're 12.

>>25770166
The simulator is just that, a simulator. Your levels drop faster at the end of the cycle, additionally MCT oil has a 25% shorter duration than most other carrier oils due to absorption. It's fine though, EEn is fairly stable so just change the dose a bit and try bloodtesting again. I liked 10mg/10days, but some people do 7mg/10d just fine too.

>>25772868
It's viable. A lot of effort though compared to buying a couple vials. You'll spend money on equipment so if you want to actually save money doing this you kinda need to sell some vials too to make up for costs.

>>25773299
Just need to remake new batches when the oil expires, and store the powder for long term use.

>>25774985
Most important part is redution of testosterone.
I also had feminization early hrt from just 33pg/ml. I was 20pg/ml pre-transition, testosterone reduction did most of the work and allowed estrogen to do it's job. I did get it increased after a couple months to 60pg/ml though which helped a lot to speed things up, and later way more.
Testosterone overpowers estrogen, so what little estrogen you had was unable to do much if anything at all, and now it can shine.

>>25775073
>>25765984
I hate spiro with a passion so I'm going to say monotherapy for that reason alone. Generally I would say bica + low/medium E though.

>>25775267
If that's at trough and consistently so, sure. I would taper off over a month though, it can give a bit of an androgen rebound.
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>>25775334
>just 33pg/ml
looking at cis girl's levels during puberty they are much much lower as what we aim for HRT in general. Is this because we are not adolescent anymore and its just a second "puberty" or only to speed things up?

https://transfemscience.org/articles/hormone-levels-female-puberty/
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>>25775483
>Most women continue getting hip growth even with high estrogen, but high estrogen is also said to signal the the end of hip growth for females. It might make a difference, but I doubt it would be big unless you're 12
I am 18 but yeah I'm not gonna risk losing any hip growth, I'll just take the pills
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>>25775170
I also posted >>25774310
If I take all that and Pioglitazone would that be ok?
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>>25775661
>looking at cis girl's levels during puberty they are much much lower as what we aim for HRT in general. Is this because we are not adolescent anymore and its just a second "puberty" or only to speed things up?
It's an average for the most part, they also get peaks, but yes their estrogen starts out very low and slowly increases to 100-200pg/ml in the end. One reason this isn't done is because you are not 8. If you were to simulate 15 years of puberty you would have a painful adult life with very low estrogen for a decade. People don't want to spend 15 years for the most female-like transition.

>>25775696
I don't know of any complications and haven't researched it so I can't really answer. I know EC, Prog and Duta are fine together though, so if Domperidone isn't bad with anything then there's no worry afaik.
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>>25775811
I also think that the effects of the same hormone levels on an adult body wouldn't work the same way as they do in children, you're more developed and process developement differently in the first place, and have less growth hormones and such so higher levels in adults makes more sense imo.
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>>25775811
I'll just try it and see what happens then thanks.
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How dangerous is taking oral E and AA without getting blood tests?

terrified of needles
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>>25775899
Oral is shit at least take sublingual.
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>>25775811
>>25775864
The part of puberty with the most change is isnt really going to take 15 years, more like 4 or so. But yeah, the basic concept I would agree to.

I guess I'll keep levels low as long as I experience changes, till T3-4 and only then ramp it up. Seems to mimic a cis puberty more. Any counter arguments why this would be a bad idea?
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I've been taking Spiro + E for about a year.
Is it just me or is Spiro just fucking aids?
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>>25775920
Why is oral shit
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>>25776045
It's not just you, it's aids.
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>>25775483
>>25776045
i have a lot of spiro doses left so redpill me on why it sucks
im gonna switch to bica when it runs out for sure but should i switch sooner let me know
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>>25775483
>Generally I would say bica + low/medium E though.
Unfortunately my doc won't give bica to me bc of the risks, so monotherapy it is
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>>25776085
It just has a lot of side effects and isn't that good.
It's not useless though, at least not in most cases.
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my doctor started me on 25mg of spiro but compared to others that seems low, right?
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>>25776067
Oral makes it go through the liver which dampens its effectiveness, and supposedly, convert it into estrone instead of estradiol.
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>>25710977
hi, my hair has been thinning similar to diffuse unpatterned alopecia or like female pattern hairloss, and its been happening since post cyproterone usage.

my hair is such a mess being thin and breaking at the roots thats its forced me to socially detrans, i think i might have a prolactinoma.

has anyone had success fixing prolactin related hairloss?
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>>25776262
Get your prolactin checked before anything else. There are medications that can reduce high prolactin too, but if it's way too high you might want to get it looked at instead of taking meds.

>>25776130
It's very low yeah.
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>>25775811
Would you happen to know if or why people recommend cycling Progesterone? My prescription for it just says to take daily and I haven't seen anything about why some people here say to do it that way.
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>>25776388
I don't know I stopped looking at progesterone because I hate being on it. Female cycle has it go on and off in the monthly cycle so by taking it every 2 weeks you would be simulating that. It's also half the price since you take it only half the time. I have no idea whats better.
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>>25776388
+1 I get the idea of AA's and E but progesterone is where I'm confused
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>>25776434
From what I've looked into it seems to really only spike to the levels you get from rectal during pregnancy, which would be like, months long cycling if any depending on time spent lactating/reoccurring pregnancies is what confuses me about it.
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If I had hair thinning from prog would duta reverse anything that happened?
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bump thread dont die please
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>>25710977
is there anyone who only got hair growth after adding fina/duta? im a bit blackpilled after not having much growth on full hrt, added minox a few months ago and making slow progress but wondering if i cucked myself by not taking dutasteride from the start
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UK tranners how do you order as to build up a reserve? I have a full-time job and it seems prohibitively expensive for enough EV for injections. Am I retarded or something? How long does each vial last roughly?
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Fellow trans women on HRT, atrophy is no joke. You don't fuck with atrophy. Get your penis out of the cage. Stop going months without an erection. Yeah, I know it sucks, especially if you're dysphoric.

Too many people have let their dick shrivel away and not been able to get SRS. They can't use severely atrophied skin. What if some day you DO want to masturbate? I have had two partners now - I know it isn't just them who've gone through this - who've gone 18+ months without an erection and can no longer masturbate their foreskin. It bleeds. Bleeds!

Get an erection every day. I cannot stress this advice more. I don't care if you're depressed. I don't care if you're suicidal and hate your body. Do it through tears. Just make sure it's done. You don't get boners in your sleep anymore, ladies.

Don't fuck with atrophy. Don't let your friends fuck with atrophy. Unless shrivelling to nothing because you know you'll never get SRS is your aim. Don't fuck with atrophy! It is no fucking joke and NO ONE tells you.
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>>25778902
It's $100 a year with Otokonoko/Spiffy.

>>25779059
>cage
lmao
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I've been on an estrogen/spiro combo now for about 5 years and I've gotten little change. My doctor won't increase my E dose from 4mg daily (pills) and I've come here to look at getting depot shots online to better my odds.

I'm looking at Good Stuff Store, the Thai website. They sell ten packs of 1ml depot shots of estrogen. How often would I need to inject in order to see better results? Once a month, once every two weeks...? More? Less?

Thank you for helping a retarded tranny such as myself.
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>>25779059
Fucking funny, fucking sad and fucking true.
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>>25779076
And what does that $100 actually get you?
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>>25779332
Enough for 1 vial of EV/EC/EEn to use for approximately one year of monotherapy. EV is a little bit cheaper, but gets used up faster.

>>25779167
There are injection doses in the pic here >>25710983
The injections from thailand are usually counterfeits (Progynon-Depot is made in japan now with japanese packaging, thai/india is outdated and not actually made anymore) so you may as well just import homebrew from Otokonoko or Spiffy instead. It's cheaper and equally safe, plus you won't need to take 10mg EV injections at a time if you use multiuse vials.
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>>25779420
Fuck it, when I switch to injections in a year I guess I’ll just have to learn crypto for payment. Thanks.
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>>25779461
It's really not too bad.
>sign up on exchange
>transfer from bank to exchange
>email the supplier or whatever to get a payment address
>convert your money to bitcoin (add a little bit extra to pay for fees)
>send to their address (literally just press withdraw on the exchange)
This takes all market fluctuations out of it. Just need to press buy and send.
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>>25779519
It doesn’t seem to difficult. What exchange do you use, assuming you do? As a side note these prices are like 400-500% cheaper than what I was looking at, so well worth it. I think I’ll deffo order from them when I switch to injections.
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>>25775483
What's collagenase?
Will my dick bend get worse with time? Will working out stop it
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>>25779616
>What exchange do you use, assuming you do
Coinmetro since I'm in europe and they have practically free deposits and withdrawals of fiat, and BTC withdrawals are almost free. With €100 hrt order that's €1 in deposit fee, small trading fees (zero fee with limit orders), and then a 0.15% withdrawal on BTC which amounts about 15 cents. Basically nothing.

I highly recommend avoiding Coinbase and Binance. They are scum of the earth and I hate everything I have experienced with them over the years, and I am not alone. They are manipulative shady fucks and if it was a regulated market they would be in prison at this point.
If you end up using another exchange that has high withdrawal fees on bitcoin, you can check if the supplier accepts LTC or XRP to get lower fees. A lot of exchanges seem to charge $5-25 for a BTC withdrawal that otherwise costs 10-50 cents on-chain.
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>>25780096
Thanks, they’re available in my country so I’ll use them. I’m not sure Binance will even exist by the time I switch to injections anyway. Thanks anon, you’ve been a massive help.
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if you do a subq injection in a thigh, can you sleep on that side? if not, how long should you wait before you sleep on that side again?
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>>25780292
yes
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>>25780292
Yeah it's fine, don't worry. You can start working out after your injection too, it's not that fragile.
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>>25779059
Severe skill issue. Never did anything with it for literal years, SRS went great and everything works now as intended.
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>>25780749
Just curious, did you have a large penis? It would be relevant I think, someone with a smaller penis may need to be more diligent in protecting what little they have. Of course some skilled surgeons turn even a micropenis into a functioning vagina so you're probably right about it being a skill issue anyways, but unfortunately a lot of people don't have access to the best ones and still wish to do it.
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>>25780843
Nope.
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>>25779059
When I had my consult I was worried about this and asked the surgeon how small was to small and dude literally a slideshow 1-inch legit micro-weens that all worked out just fine. Said atrophy wasn't really an issue and the worst that happens if it is is they snatch some thigh skin, but he said that's pretty rare. I had let mine be for like a year and a half and he said I was good to go without thigh skin. It really don't matter, convinced "KEEP JERKING OFF" is a psyop. Dude was just the local guy my insurance covered not anybody special.
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>>25779059
no atrophy on my cock or balls a year in, with injections
I'm convinced people with atrophy do it to themselves with absurd high dosages or like a bunch of AAs
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>>25781865
Kind of curious if it has to do more with it being people that used it in the first place and then stopped. Or if it has anything to do with circumcision. My surgeon said its good if people weren't circumcised since they use the skin for the clitoral hood or something like that.
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Can breast growth be permanently interrupted by an increase in T?

About a year after I started HRT, I stopped taking my finasteride because I figured it wasn't doing that much anymore now that I was on full on antiandrogens. About 3 months later I had a blood test and discovered my T levels had become elevated after that.

It's been a year and half since then, my breasts look alright, I guess, they're like a 12AA-ish and not super coney. My female relatives have breasts on the smaller side, but not incredibly small.

But I'm terrified that this three month period sealed my development early on and that I'll never be able to breast feed a child, or that my boobs are half baked and always will be.

Am I being crazy and paranoid here?
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>>25782074
Breast tissue supposedly contains stem cells so it's possible they can never be permanently stunted and it's just a matter of the right degree of hormones to get them to work again. Not sure what you mean by 12AA though unless you're stickbug.
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>>25782143
10A bras fit me kind of tightly around the band but I manage to fill the cups, 12A bras have a better band but still gap a little in the cups.

Also I hope to god the stem cell thing is true. I'm currently boofing 200mg of progesterone while taking in 2500-3000 calories a day (after 6 months of dieting) to try and stimulate breast growth. I'm 2.6 years in so hopefully this will still work.

I know that my cis friend pretty much had a whole second puberty at 18 and gained like 3 cup sizes after she started cooking her own food and escaped her mum's weird nutrient+calorie deficient meals that literally stunted her growth during puberty. So the human body does seem pretty flexible about this.
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>>25781865
Is doing 8mg/sub and 12.5mg cypro a high dose? kind of curious now, I had atrophy within six months of non-use. Kind of interesting how widely it varies for people.
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>>25782020
I am not circumcised. It's currently 6in and was that way 1 year ago as well. My balls have been the size of like an almond before and after as well
I legit once went through almost two months without fapping since I started hrt as well. I don't get ED either. Like it's harder for me to get hard, but I don't have any issues getting hard or maintaining it, the only issue I have is cumming takes me longer and I no longer get aroused unless it's something very specific
>>25782225
depends how often you space it out, most I've heard of people needing to do is 6mg like 2mg every 6 hrs. Cypro is pretty effective and is most likely the thing killing your libido though. When I started I was on 2mg with 50mg bica, then moved up to 4mg and 25mg bica, never had any issues with my dick. Whereas I hear stuff like cypro and spiro can fuck your libido at recommended doses
might be in my head but right now I am on 5mg EC injections with 25mg of medroxyprogesterone. I don't get any bad effects from the medroxy, but I have heard that it does tend to make people really horny and increase appetite. I have gained some kilos since I started using it, and well yea that could be what's helping me keep my dick working. I do get the occasional arousing dream etc but when I wake up and check I'm not even fully hard. Like I said, I barely use it nowadays because I tend to get aroused differently I feel, and no atrophy whatsoever. I honestly really wanted atrophy as well, I'm just glad it ain't getting bigger, yet
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>>25782506
Didn't ask.
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>>25782506
Huh, interesting dosage info, thanks. I have always heard Bica is the one to take if you want to maintain function but I didn't think it worked that well casually. I space about every 5-6hrs mostly depending on if I do or don't forget my alarms went off. Really only doing 8mg because it helps with T suppression on top of the cypro. Seems to have worked out so far.
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How soon after restarting prog cycle can I get a blood test to check my prog/DHT levels? What sort of levels for Prog am I looking for? What DHT level would be too high to need duta?



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