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At least daddy Hasan still likes us…
https://youtu.be/rSZU-fpkAHU
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I fucking hate politics and political "content creators"

The only people who should ever publicly talk about politics should be intelligent (not pseudointelligent) philosophers (not necessarily with degrees; just people who are knowledgeable about and good at philosophy)
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EAT THE RICH
>buys 2.7 million dollar mansion
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>>22729136
Does he really like you if he would only maybe fuck a post-op?
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>>22729203
>millionaire
>rich
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>>22729209
>makes 3 million a year
>rich
yes
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>>22729198
He has a degree in political science
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>>22729215
bruhhh just no
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>>22729237
just yes
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>>22729215
That's just middle class tier. Rich people have billions.
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>>22729246
can't tell if you're trolling or not to be honest
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>>22729243
>everyoe who criticizes the mega wealthy should be poor and powerless
dumb
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>>22729254
I can tell you're retarded.
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>>22729255
>hoarding wealth and doing nothing to help other people with it is fine, but only if you're a socialist
you probably cry about how bezos or musk isn't using their money to help poor people but praise hasan for buying mansions and doing nothing
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>>22729289
>and doing nothing to help other people with it is fine
how many people do you think 3 mln a year could help? it's meaningless.
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>>22729289
Bezos and musk could donate 200 billion dollars and still be richer than hasan could ever dream of being.
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>>22729299
bezos and musk dont have 200 billion liquid if they sold their stocks they would end up with far less
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>>22729136
>daddy
he's a bottom
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>>22729316
Who says they cant donate their fixed assets? Also they make millions of dollars every day, even if they gave everything they have today they would be richer than hassan by tomorrow.
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>>22729326
daddy's can be bottoms too
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>>22729136
Fuck off Big Soph
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>>22729209
If you want a society like anything resembling the nordic model, you will have to tax the shit out of everyone especially the millionaires and billionaires, this obsession with only hyperfocusing on the billionaire's is such a fucking meme in the states, Death to America.
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>>22729349
What are you talking about? Biden wants to raise the tax for people making over 400K a year. Also Americans always call the billionaires out because they literally don't even pay their taxes.
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>>22729136
Isn't it funny how you can pick op out of the audience so easily?
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>>22729349
>you will have to tax the shit out of everyone especially the millionaires and billionaires
Ok? I'm not against that.
But attacking leftists because they make money is dumb af. You don't have to be literally homeless to be an effective activist, that's retarded.
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>>22729349
Taxation is theft. Anyone who is for it is not really a human being and should be treated with due suspicion.
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>>22729299
He does "donate" plenty. He just does so in a more constructive way than throwing money at an already entrenched class of welfare queens so they can continue to do nothing and produce nothing.
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>>22729369
Never gonna amount to anything with that tactic
>>22729403
Hasan does nothing but use his wealth for his own good, he acts like a self interested hyper capitalist, he is like a shitty radio show that just talks progressives, there are so many others that do what he does but they also financially contribute and dwelve into local politics to better things, he just sits inside and collects his 50k a day watching youtube videos, fuck Hasan and any drone that watches this filth, never gonna amount to anything but an emptier wallet.
>>22729415
Taxation is justified theft if you find society justified to exist, if not, then fuck off into the woods.
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>>22729431
Bezos and musk are fucking welfare queens. They sit around collecting paychecks and doing nothing while their engineers and other staff work their asses off.
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>>22729434
>Hasan does nothing but use his wealth for his own good
What could he realistically do with 3 mln a year? What would you do? Be specific.
> he is like a shitty radio show that just talks progressives
This is useful. Mobilizing the NPCs is useful, it's not nothing.
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>>22729434
>Never gonna amount to anything
Why? Also he'd taise the tax ceilings even further if republicans didnt obstruct him.
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>>22729461
Considering his entire character is created around socialism, him making 3 million a year, probably more, is not disconcerting to you?

I guess Nancy Pelosi's just happened to marry the most brilliant trader the world has ever seen to you as well.
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>>22729484
>Considering his entire character is created around socialism, him making 3 million a year, probably more, is not disconcerting to you?
No, why would it be? You don't have to be poor to be a socialist.
>I guess Nancy Pelosi's just happened to marry the most brilliant trader the world has ever seen to you as well.
Pelosi is liberal capitalist, why wouldn't she?
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>>22729461
>What would you do? Be specific.
Fund politicians you want elected, help their campaigns, he has the platform to do it aswell and twitter reach.
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>>22729415
taxation is theft, sex is rape, and speech is performative attempted murder. everything is force and even the gentle force of a persuasive argument is a kind pervasive brainwashing attack that makes the recipient unwilling to reject the brainwashing

complaining about unavoidable things is not sensible. there's no viable way of configuring society without force
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>>22729496
Well let us hope real socialists take over so they can line up Hasan, (You), and Nancy Pelosi up against the wall
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>>22729516
Why are bunkerfags mentally ill and incapable of rational thought?
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>>22729526
Because in order for anything to implement real change, there has to be a real degree of irrationality. See any major social and political change.
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>>22729516
>Well let us hope real socialists take over
How will they if they insist on being poor and powerless and ostracizing everyone among them who gets even slightly ahead?
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>>22729526
in my view they're inclined to romanticize politics because they're too lazy to do the boring activism of going to town square every tuesday at 13:00 with the same 13 people who have been attending it for the past 28 years doing nothing more than politely holding a sign and gently protesting about by means of friendly reminders while fully being aware of the efficacy of their method. for this would require truly acknowledging the fact that one lives in a society and one person cant make a big difference even if they dedicate 13 years to holding a sign and this is terrifying.
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>>22729209
LOOOOOOOL how the fuck did we reach this point???????? as soon as these e-celebrity socialists reached millionaire status it's suddenly okay and completely normal to be one HAHAHAH!!! and you will unironically defend this point because youve been told so by these people. oh it's soooo expensive to live in california. having millions is practically living in the middle class! what a struggle. anyway, keep donating your hard earned min wage salaries to me you fucking chuds!
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>>22729618
>it's suddenly okay and completely normal to be one
in a capitalist society it is normal to be one if you behave like a capitalist.

people like Hasan do much more for the revolution than whiny retards online who LARP, because he's out there spreading class consciousness to a wide audience, while you're here shitting on him for making money doing it. if the workers think his activism is worth 3 mln per year, then so be it.

when will you take up arms against the capitalists? what time and where? because that's the only thing you can do if you're determined not to participate in capitalism out of principle.
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>>22729232
Well he clearly understands how populism works and how to take an advantage of that but he's completely fucking clueless when it comes to prescribing what ought to be done and why. He's just a hardcore materialist and capitalist using the capitalist system to make money larping as a socialist.
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>>22729136
I never understood why people like him. asides from his at best mediocre political opinions, he's not good at debating, he's a hypocritical and boring. Is it because of his looks? Is that all that people find interesting about him?
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>>22729296
He could buy me a house and I'm a poor neurodivergent tranny NEET. Why is that asshole not doing anything?
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>>22729246
Have you ever had a job? Having millions in liquid cash is nowhere near middle class
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>>22729296
He could fuck me in the ass and give me 50 bucks easily. But he doesn't care about real working class people and real working class problems and he never will
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Hassan is a brainless hack fraud grifter, but most people are absolutely retarded and have no idea what socialism means, and that includes vast majority of self-declared socialists.
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>>22730284
Anon that is literally hundred times as much as the average person has in earnings/savings
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>>22730284
I've been in debt for 1/3 of my life.
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>>22730323
I know. That's what I said.
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>>22729136
>Hasan "America deserved 9/11" Kiker
i would unironically have liked him more if he said this because he was a radical islamist rather than some breadtube faggot
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>>22729209
I know inflation is bad but 800k year puts you in the 1%
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>>22729653
He runs a stream on a site owned by Jeff Bezos and helps make him richer
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>"I'm not offended or taking his jokes seriously but they were just low hanging fruit, I promise I'm not butthurt!"
This is the laziest most nonsense response. 95% of Dave's jokes are low hanging fruit, its just he occasionally puts a serious message at the end of it occasionally. When Dave is doing his white man voice where the entire joke is how white people speak or when he's talking about crack babies and pussies, how is that also not low hanging fruit? They're still funny though. People only dislike "low hanging fruit" when they're personally offended.
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>>22730225
He's hot and knows how to pander to 19-year-old muffin top commie femcels and trannies
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>>22730225
>he's not good at debating
Not everyone wants to listen to debates
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>>22730354
you understand that pauperizing the working class is an essential part of fomenting the revolution, right? they will not just spontaneously revolt, they have to become destitute. the concentration of wealth is not a problem for socialists, but the means toward revolution.

helping billionaires get rich by accelerating capitalism is essential to revolution. it's not something to be ashamed of.
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>>22730369
Yeah, Dave was never a super intricate and intellectual comedian. I saw an old stand up special of Dave's where he literally spent like 5 minutes making fun of black people eating chicken and being ghetto. That's as low hanging as it gets but it was still funny as fuck. Just because he spends a few minutes of his special making commentary on society doesn't make him the next George Carlin.
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>>22730402
>helping billionaires get rich by accelerating capitalism is essential to revolution
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>>22730402
The people that can afford to donate to some dude online (who thinks 9/11 is ebin and hates white people most likely) aren't the working class lolol
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>>22729136
>best comedy is social criticism
God I hate leftoids so much
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>>22730428
>Working class is when you don't have 5 bucks a month to waste on stupid shit
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>>22730441
I have better things to do with the little cash i get after being taxed than paying for any kind of content especially a larping twitch streamer
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>>22730441
Destitution is when you can waste multiple hours a week on watching some millionaire frat boy preaching about socialism. But don't worry comrades! The revolution is just around the corner.
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>>22730473
Good for you for making rational consumer choices. Most people don't. Doesn't make them any less working class
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>>22730485
Yeah poor people never watch TV dude great analysis
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>>22730504
im just too broke
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I don't consider paypigs humans.
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>>22730402
Average accelerationism fan Vs average sentient life with basic biological intelligence enjoyer
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>>22729232
>He has a degree in political science
Maybe I wasn't clear: I think the degree part is largely irrelevant. Having a degree doesn't (in my opinion) make you qualified and not having a degree doesn't make you not qualified

Like nearly all successful political content creators he's pretty entertaining/funny but when it comes to actual substance and arguments he's mediocre at best, and that's probably pushing it. The people who rise to the top are the ones who can hold people's attention and be funny, not the people who are actually super intelligent and wise and well-informed. The wrong thing is selected for

The closest person I've seen who combines all of those is Contrapoints, but even she's just like, decent. The bar is just so low and the competition is so bad that she's just the least bad

The actual ones with opinions worth hearing almost universally stick 100% to long-form writing, or 90% long-form / 10% informal/short-form writing. The people pumping out tens to hundreds to thousands of hours of video content each year are not going to be the bigbrains
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>>22730321
>brainless hack fraud grifter
I'll take brainless, maybe hack, but how is he a fraudster or grifter? What are his fraud schemes? That he's supposedly presenting opinions that he doesn't actually believe, or something?
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>>22729136
There's way too much focus on how much money he has. The reason he's a fake socialist only in it for the money isn't because he has a big mansion, it's because he has a ton of fans and influence and does fuck all with it. He could create events and easily help out local elections all over the country and cause snowball effects to help millions of people but he doesn't, because he doesn't give a shit.
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>>22730515
Poor people have been watching tv since like the 50's and we've not seen a revolution yet. The point is people who have time to waste of frivolous entertainment aren't destitute nor interested in some class revolution. Your analysis is so fucking off if you think subscribing on twitch, hitting that follow button and upholding the capitalist structure is going bring it down. Is it because daddy Marx said capitalism will implode within his lifetime if we just keep feeding it? I dare to say his analysis of the situation was bit off.
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>>22730402
the fucking lengths you fanboys go to justify someone grifting off their easily impressionable audience
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>>22730555
One of his subscriber goals was that he would impregnate one of his fans at x subscribers. He never did. Piece of shit grifter I never got my money back
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>>22730402
based glowie
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>>22730563
>Your analysis is so fucking off if you think subscribing on twitch, hitting that follow button and upholding the capitalist structure is going bring it down
What...? When did I even remotely insinuate any of that? None of the people who subscribe to Hasan with their own and not their moms money believe that. Don't be ridiculous
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Just answer me this. Is hasan white? Other than his eyes being dark we have very similar phenotypes and I'm pretty well 100% anglo.
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>>22730559
I don't blame him for not wanting to essentially become a politician or election campaign eployee or lobbyist. There's so much shit that comes with diving into that cesspool

Beyond imploring your viewers to vote for a particular person or support a particular policy or proposed law or whatever, I don't think there's much anyone like that could or should do. Trying to organize a rally or protest or have people do something beyond voting in national and gubernatorial elections would probably be a bad idea in a lot of ways

>>22730586
He said he looks white and is often considered white but/and is ethnically Turkish, I think
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>>22730586
Yes. He'll swear up and down he isn't because he's a turk but he's just a mediterannean rapebaby who lived in turkey at one point
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>>22730586
Depends on where you're from I guess. In America he's functionally white if you ignore his first name
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>>22730586
what is white to you
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>>22730586
He's whiter than most "white" americans
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>>22730603
this map basically.
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>>22730574
Right here
>you understand that pauperizing the working class is an essential part of fomenting the revolution, right? they will not just spontaneously revolt, they have to become destitute
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>>22730611
Cool, as someone from Norway, he would fit in better than most foreigners, and most people wouldn't really give a shit, he looks European white.
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>>22730611
what the fuck is this map, finnish people are super hapas
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>>22730622
Almost like I didn't write that
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>>22730651
I wouldn't be opposed to discluding finland.
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>>22730611
As a German he looks like a turk to me. But more like a Istanbul turk and less like a roach turk
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>>22730661
then why are you defending that point if you don't agree with it? Are you fucking retarded?
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>>22730674
As an non british anglo, he looks anglo to me. Looks like any average white guy you'd see in the north americas.
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>>22730675
This is me
>>22730441
>>22730515
Where did I ever defend the accelerationist? I just said people waste money on all kinds of stupid shit even if they are poor
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>>22729246

holy fuck what a retard. are americans honestly like this?
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Did you guys know that Hasan's uncle is a literal Porky-looking millionaire media mogul?
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>>22730700
And I said that will never lead to a revolution which you seem to disagree with. At least that "great analysis" came off as sarcastic and defending the point anon made earlier about taking poor people's money to kick off the revolution.
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>>22730586
"White" is a bastardized Anglo-American concept copied from the Spanish colonial caste system. Hasan is a light-skinned, tall, currently well-built Turkish man that I think could pass as local in pretty much all Southern Europe, although he has some Asiatic traits like some slight slanted eyes (Oghuz ancestry?).
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>>22730611
as someone from fuck knows where, i have no idea what ethnicity he looks like
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>>22730586
>Hasan
>white
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>>22730762
Yeah, Hassan talks about Cenk all the time.
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>>22731908
he is white
t. actual turkish
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>>22729136
I used to like him a lot more but he’s just gotten kind of annoying. Seeing some of his irl streams when he was in austin, he seems a bit much to be around (not in a good way). I also feel like he wouldn’t know how to talk to an actual trans person about this stuff.
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>>22729450
You know absolutely shit about what you're talking about.
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>>22731988
can I dislike him now?
pic related.
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>>22731946
>I also feel like he wouldn’t know how to talk to an actual trans person
If I ever met him in real life ideally he wouldn't do much talking
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>>22729136
OMG HE JUST KEEPS GETTING SEXIER
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>>22729246
are commies retarded?
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>>22729246
I want to fucking kill you.
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>>22729403
>criticizes your materialism for buying a $3 million home
>bro so if your socialist you gotta be homeless?
No you fucking sperg. He could buy a fucking normal home and use the rest to support his cause.
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>>22732212
because meta-attraction
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>>22733298
$3 million is a normal home in California.
You people in Latvia are out of touch.
Builders make $48 an hour and get paid lunches.
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>>22729246
Probably a better world than middle class, but yeah. Billionares are retarded.
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>>22733347
Fact check: false
Median home in California is $800k.
Hazan's could have bought that and spent $2M funding candidates, paying his employees more, helping destitute viewers, etc.
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>>22729296
According to givewell, 3 mil could be multiplied into 33 mil of increased lifetime earnings by funding deworming programs.
But of course if you don't care about the global poor like most socialists, he could have also donated his money to progressive candidates, causes, paid his workers better instead of in computer parts, or if he's feeling especially strong about his socialist principles, run or finance worker coops.
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>>22733335
Magnet attraction?
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>>22733493
>you don't care about the global poor like most socialists
honestly socdems care more about people like me
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>>22729136
stopped listening after he started talking shit about Jordan Peterson.
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>>22730402
Holy shit you're retarted and glow like fuck. Fuck your grifter sand nigger
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>>22734440
amazin’
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>>22734440
Idk if it's his turbo autism that makes it convincing, but he truly seems like the least grifting piece of shit on that platform.
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>>22734440
banned because he's so fucking ugly and unlikable LOL
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>>22729246
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>>22734440
True
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>>22729246
you retarded glow nigger
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>>22730402
this sentiment reminds me of the time a tranny told me that the lockdowns were Good because it gave people the opportunity to explore their gender identities.
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>>22729136
Great

He's still a dishonest hyper populist wanker who's only famous because he's hot
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>>22733347
It's not a normal home, but it's an unimpressive one.
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>>22729670
>hardcore materialist
yeah, he's a marxist. Materialism is very important to socialism. Stops you from making your politics about stupid aesthetic shit.
>capitalist
no, he doesn't make his money by owning capital
>using the capitalist system to make money
you can't make your living in a communist fashion because there is no communist system.
>larping as a socialist
this is what I mean by stupid aesthetic shit.
Say he's a cynical capitalist who doesn't believe in anything he says. He still says it, so if that gets more people involved in organised labour or even just getting gamers to understand tranny issues, what does it actually matter what's in his heart?
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>>22731988
He looks like he'd be fun to wrestle. Nothing gay I just think it would be nice to grapple with him.
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>>22729136
Hes kind of making a shitty point though
>"im not triggered its just like old people jokes"
hasan doesnt get to tell people what form of humor they need to enjoy and then he proceeds to generalize people who enjoyed the jokes as "anti progressive fox news watchers" like as if you need to be a certain type of person to enjoy these jokes.
dave chappelle laughs at everyone and if trans people think they arent part of the definition of everyone than trans people are the ones segregating themselves, no one called him an antisemite for the space jews joke or the way he portrayed jews in the racial draft skit he did, no one gave him shit for the ongoing whiteface bit he had and the portrayal of the stereotypical white person behavior, no one gave him shit for the way he portrayed asians in the racial draft skit or in any other skit he did like the dice championship so why are trans people supposed to be "safe" from his jokes?
>tldr
its just jokes take it or leave it and stop being pussies, hes not a god and his words dont determine what you are
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>>22736155
he did a fucking attack helicopter joke in the special before this one iirc. Chapelle isn't pushing the boundaries or slaying a sacred cow, his shit is lame and played out, and the kind of people who like that shit are just having their dumb preconceptions reinforced. Some of his transphobic shit wasn't even really a joke, the JK Rowling stuff was just didactic. He got an applause break for that stuff, not laughs.
So jokes are fucking fine, going up and making a serious point fucking sucks. You don't tolerate it when it's some lib making a point about metoo do you? That shit sucks.
I like cum town (incidentally, so does Hasan). That podcast frequently has far more transphobic jokes than the shit Chappelle does, but they're unexpected. They blow past the boundries of woke shit and past even boring republican transphobia to a grotesque and puerile place that is just joyfully retarded. They're not making serious points. They're also not being fucking malicious.
Chapelle is obviously salty for getting "cancelled" last time (people on twitter said it sucked and some articles wrote about the twitter posts).
>no one gave him shit for the ongoing whiteface bit he had and the portrayal of the stereotypical white person behavior
Literally the only people who care about this type of shit are fake offended so they can make an argument for saying nigger.
>space jews
that one was decently funny because the punchline is unexpected, it's almost like "isn't it funny that I'm being racist" versus telling a racist joke.
>racial draft
cba watching that to find out if it's alright, it's probably fine.
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>>22735163
He'll be back
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>>22730543

I kind of agree but ContraPoints is good on social commentary but her political and economic takes are garbage. She doesn't understand neo liberalism or even socialism. She's just meh. I think Mia did a better job than her on transsexualism but she's pretty boring
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>>22735163
>banned
Tkae your meds sweaty https://www.twitch.tv/destiny
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>>22735163
I'm sure you are very attractive, hon.
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He's cute so whatever. Who cares about his politics? I like him because I wanna fuck his hairy bussy.and nothing more.
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He's hot, yes, but dumb
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>>22741393
yea, he looks like a total bottom ngl
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>>22729203
>socialism is when no house
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>>22741647
There's a pretty vast middle ground between no house and 2.7 million dollar mansion
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>>22741647
>Socialism is when you buy a mansion, make no political donations to support socialist politicians or "leftists" politicians, don't organize any canvassing (Destiny was able to organize a large operation with a vastly smaller community), when you make a special deal with twitch so they give you 2 million dollars so you never switch platforms and they give you are larger % of sub money as long as you play more ads for the capitalistic Amazon and make Bezos richer.
Ah yes, but don't forget Hasan pays his taxes and all the retarded twitter lefties actually think socialism is when the government does stuff so as long as Hasan pays his taxes and calls himself a socialist he must be a socialist!
Completely ignore that he hoards all the money and doesn't make any considerable action to help the "movement"!
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3 million dollars a year
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This guy is unironically living the ultimate capitalist lifestyle
>Born into rich family
>Went to private school, then private college
>Lives in $3 mil West Hollywood home
>Makes $3 mil a year
>Eats Wagyu steaks on a near daily basis
>$2000 designer outfits
>Member of the most exclusive gym in the country
>Constantly fucking pornstars and showing them off for attention
>Hide his wealth and acts like he's not extremely rich
>Tell's his fans he's just like them because he has a Toyota Corolla
>No guilt when flaunting his wealth and privilege
>Blatantly lies about donating to charity

At this point he has to be a sociopath, no one is this unaware. Unironically Destiny was right in the end, can't believe I typed that.
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>>22741647
guaranteed replies
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>>22741875
>>22741757
>>Makes $3 mil a year
Don't forget that with the exclusive contract (that he signed) twitch pays the biggest content creators $2 million to stay in the platform so in year he will have made $5 million dollars and he hasn't used a single penny to help any kind of movement he supposedly supports.
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>>22741875
hes not a sociopath hes just painfully fucking dumb
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>>22741935
Also IIRF the leaked payouts don't even include donations and other sources, just what comes directly from twitch and it's sponsor's. So the number Is even higher. Not to mention any "bounty'" streams he did, like playing a game for 1 hour for $6000
>>22741948
Willful ignorance to this level just doesn't add up, he wants you to think he's just dumb and oblivious so you'll handwave his actions.

The blackpill is he just gets way with everything because he's hot and 6'4, it's that simple and brutal.
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>>22741976
>The blackpill is he just gets way with everything because he's hot and 6'4, it's that simple and brutal.
This is honestly the biggest black pill in life, the biggest privilege person can have is being born attractive, not even being born rich compares to being born attractive, because basically everyone treats you different and most of the time they aren't even concious about it.
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>>22742008
he gets away with shit because his dad's Mossad
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>>22741875
>destiny was right
president xi send the nukes
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>>22742008
Being attractive, well built and tall is unironically more valuable than any amount of money. Because the money and opportunities that will come your way because of your appearance are more than enough to live a great life. Someone richer than you can never ascend to the level of genetic superiority you have, no amount of money can bridge the gap. Fucking brutal man.

I'm 5'10 and feel like absolute shit when some 6'4 dude mocks me, can imagine how worse it is for short dudes.
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>>22735859
>no, he doesn't make his money by owning capital
How much copium are you on. By this logic Hasan is less of a capitalist then those middle aged women that buy and sell trinkets on eBay. FFS the guy is in an exclusive contract with Amazon for millions of dollars, he uses their systems which are 100% captialist to make his millions, the guy is apart of the capitalist class and he did it tricking rubes like you to pay for it.
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>>22742089
Participating in capitalism doesn't preclude someone being a socialist.
Was Engels not a socialist?
>Friedrich Engels was born on November 28, 1820, in Barmen, Germany, into a wealthy family with deep roots in the yarn and cloth industry. His father owned a textile factory in Barmen and was a partner in a cottonspinning factory in Manchester, England. At the age of 17, under pressure from his father, Friedrich began to acquire business experience
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>>22742143
Not even that anon but I knew this would be a response. Actual fucking retard lmao.
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>>22742143
Not the guy you replied to but when Hasan uses his wealth to take action and create political results he will always be looked at like a grifter. Donating a few thousand to Biden means nothing, he needs to use his power to create actual results.

A good idea I heard was bread tubers coming together and pooling money for a McDonald's franchise and running it as a co-op with living wages. Imagine the fucking headlines, imagine the publicity. The very symbol of capitalism running well under fair employee conditions and pay, it could always be pointed to as a example against conservative propaganda.
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>>22742143
Elon Musk called himself a socialist so he has as much claim to being one as Hasan Piker btw, since they are both only participating in capitalism, you are an actual fucking moron.
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>>22729618
Not even a commie but I'll bite. Communism isn't when poor and bad house, communism is when boss no exploit labor. Karl Marx was even best friends with a guy who owned a factory. You can have wealth in cummunism. Communist complain about America's wealthy because they argue that level of wealth isn't attainable without treating your workers shittily and being unethical. China makes billionaires "dissappear" more because they're an authoritative government that is also communist rather than because they are communist. They just can't help but shill out for captlists to make a quick buck and just damage control when they get wealthy enough to be politically influential.

That's not to say Chinese political dynasties don't hord wealth but I don't honestly know enough abou the Han Chinese to talk more about them.
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>>22742164
>no argument
actually read Marx
>>22742174
>Elon Musk called himself a socialist so he has as much claim to being one as Hasan Piker btw
I agree. accelerating the contradictions within capitalism is a vital part of revolution.
if you had ever read Marx you'd know this. worker's revolution can't happen until the workers have nothing to lose but their chains.
socialists should participate in capitalism and should accelerate the pauperization of the proletariat. this is unironically the most revolutionary act you can undertake.
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Don't care. He's tall, attractive, and large.
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>>22742188
>I agree. accelerating the contradictions within capitalism is a vital part of revolution.
>if you had ever read Marx you'd know this. worker's revolution can't happen until the workers have nothing to lose but their chains.
>socialists should participate in capitalism and should accelerate the pauperization of the proletariat. this is unironically the most revolutionary act you can undertake.
LMAO. I will continue to participate in capitalism dear comrade, I will increase the rent to my rentoids just for you. See you in a million years when capitalism finally colapses.
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>>22742192
Well yeah, politics are just something you put in your tinder or twitter bio for virtue signalling for your kind of people.
People low in intelligence tend to be like that.
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>>22742198
nobody can stop you from doing just that until the workers have lost all reasons to avoid revolution. so i applaud your attitude. you are unironically a good socialist.
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>>22742434
I don't know why people even try, he's too attractive to be cancelled, he could rape a child and leftist would try to make pedos into part of LGBT and would riot so nothing happens to him.
I swear women are the most pathetic group of people that exists, I want to be gay so badly so I don't have to ever speak to one again, but men do nothing for me.
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>>22733446
What's the median home in non-shitty parts of Los Angeles where Hasan lives?
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>>22742042
>Being attractive, well built and tall is unironically more valuable than any amount of money
What exactly do you think these socialists want? They literally want society to be led by people Chads and Stacies. Nerds like you will be forced to slave away for them, being the simps you are.
>>22742183
No, communism is when hunter gatherer and high school social dynamics, it's when the "ruling class" is literally just Chad and Stacy.
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>>22741875
>Eats Wagyu steaks on a near daily basis
>$2000 designer outfits
>Member of the most exclusive gym in the country
>Constantly fucking pornstars and showing them off for attention
lmao
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>>22742143
Good or bad, Engels wrote crucial essays, books, and pamphlets to his ideology, and supported his friend through financial issues
Someone like that is obviously different to some crazy consumerist streamer
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>>22729246
Dunno why people are seething. With inflation, 3 mil will be nothing. It can also be middle class if you live in some place like Manhattan, as it only covers the cost of a large apartment and nothing else. It's only truly rich if you remove the top 1-5% of all wealth, otherwise you're just comparing it to the lowest dregs of society. It really isn't fucking hard to invest wagie checks into assets like stocks or starting a business. I grew up in a cabin in Appalachia and have a paid off house in SoCal worth half a mil. Working retail here teaches you how fucking retarded the average person is, and why they will have nothing. I had regulars who would spend $40 a day on cigarettes and sometimes would put FOOD they desperately needed back to pay for it. Priorities. I know what addiction is like, can be overcome. Most people are fucking apathetic and will take bare minimum and be exploited. Reading comments from lower middle class people who are upset but will do nothing about it gets old. Rich people are rich, if it wasn't inherited, because they learn to maneuver the system, bend the rules, and make social changes. Even those who inherit have to work hard to keep it. I know many stories of millionaire sons who collapsed family businesses/wealth in less than 2-6 years.
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>>22746241
>With inflation, 3 mil will be nothing
cope
Right now, if you earn quite a good wage of 100k a year, that's the proceeds of your entire working career
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>>22729400
Lmao
Hasan won't date you OP
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>>22730225
100% because of his looks, everything about his content and personality and opinions are just abysmal
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>>22729209
hahahahahahahah are you even a real person
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>>22746241
You are delusional, you are saying that because he's "middle class" in the top 0.001% of the country he's not rich, he's literally the elite, the 0.001% of the world, he made 5 millions minimun in a year.
I swear Hasan simps are completely braindead, if you want definite proof of the halo effect you just have to read the messages from braindead Hasan fans, this is why your revolution will never come, ther working class is legitimately retarded and capitalism actually works because it puts the subhumans in the place they deserve to be.
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>this is literally Hasan now
https://youtu.be/L0eFLC0xBJg
LOL
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People hate to see a turkish man with success.
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i like hasan. he has some bad takes, but that's gonna happen if you stream politics for 8 hours a day.
at the end of the day, he supports trans people and spreads this message to his zoomer viewers. isn't this a good thing?
and who gives a fuck if he lives in an "expensive" house. is he supposed to be a monk or something? we live in a capitalist society. you can play the game while wanting it to change. it's like republicans crying that AOC gets her hair done once every 3 months.
on that note, you girls do get your hair done every few months, right? you probably should get on that.
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>>22749776
>and who gives a fuck if he lives in an "expensive" house.
Yeah. People try to argue that he's a hypocrite (he isn't, his issue isn't with people having money, it's with exploitation), or that this makes him a cynical grifter. So what if he is?
If Ben Shapiro turned out to be grifter, that in his private life he was really woke and supported trans people, would I like him? Fuck no.
I don't think Hasan is being cynical, I'm just saying it's a total non-point.
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>>22749776
>who gives a fuck if he lives in an "expensive" house
3 million dollars is "expensive" :^)
>is he supposed to be a monk or something?
Lmao. Either live in a three million dollar house or be a monk.
>we live in a capitalist society. you can play the game while wanting it to change.
Dope. Personally, my favorite socialist is Elon Musk. And when you think about it, Jeff Bezos is a leftist ally because he lobbies the government for a $15 minimum wage.
>>22749816
Other than the things Hasan says and his aesthetics, what does Hasan do that's functionally different from any other capitalist?
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>>22749827
>Other than the things Hasan says
Well considering that his job is saying stuff, and what I like about him is how he promotes socialism to people, you've not left me with a lot to say, have you?
How about this anon. Tell me why you're not a retard, but don't mention any evidence of you not being retarded.
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>>22749851
I mention that because I can also call Bezos a leftist ally for lobbying the government. But clearly Bezos does not live his life as a leftist, and he only supports a 15 dollar minimum wage because it is advantageous to him. Similarly with Hasan, I have no reason to believe that he does anything suggestive of actually caring about leftism other than the fact that it's currently profitable on twitch.tv.
Also, imagine the best you could say is that you're an "influencer," lol. None of the people he's convincing are going to vote or take any direct political action anyway. :^)
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>>22749942
You are so insanely dumb.
I already said.
>If Ben Shapiro turned out to be grifter, that in his private life he was really woke and supported trans people, would I like him? Fuck no.
Literally doesn't matter if he cares or not in his heart or hearts, as I've already said.
Because of his advantages in life, like
>being part of the Cenk dynasty
>being really handsome
>being charismatic
the best thing he can do is go on twitch and do what he's doing. he would be wasted in another position.
But, please, tell me what
> live his life as a leftist
actually entails. I'd love to know.

btw Bezos takes part in union busting you dumb fuck, there's no comparison here.
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>>22750146
>btw Bezos takes part in union busting you dumb fuck, there's no comparison here.
Sure, and Hasan has exploited his editors before by not paying them and has people who moderate his communities for free. Seems like they both exploit labor. But meanwhile Bezos pays all of his workers 15 dollars and hour and has a 401 K matching plan. Every single argument you can make about why Hasan is this great guy can also be directed at Jeff Bezos, except Jeff Bezos actually probably does more for the cause of a 15 dollar minimum wage than Hasan ever could. Not to mention he's the very reason why Hasan is getting rich off twitch in the first place to spread his message, lmao. So yeah, if you really don't care about what people believe in their heart of hearts, why uphold Hasan but take digs at Bezos? My man is just trying to live in a capitalist society while advocating for making the world a little better.
>live his life as a leftist
I won't ask for much. I just want to see something that couldn't be explained as him chasing his own self interest. Here's some examples.
He could organize his followers and direct money toward political issues he cares about, he could finance a few worker cooperatives with some startup capital if he's worried about exploitive labor, or he could revenue share a percentage of YouTube profits with his editors so they paid the value of their labor.
And since I know Hasan doesn't just care about removing exploitation in the workplace (he's also obviously for welfare programs to benefit the poor,) yep, some indication that he donates to charities at all would be nice.

Now, you can just see Hasan as a total grifter who happens to be better off existing than not existing for the left. A sort of Dave Rubin for the left figure. But it is odd that despite making it seem like our support should be entirely transactional, we don't treat him like we're just using him.
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based hasan making ppl seethe :P
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>>22750474
>Every single argument you can make about why Hasan is this great guy can also be directed at Jeff Bezos, except Jeff Bezos actually probably does more for the cause of a 15 dollar minimum wage than Hasan ever could
you are such a fucking retard.
Don't pay an editor one time when you're a small streamer? That's actually the same as union busting and exploiting, idk how much people does Bezos exploit? Millions? When that happened, his youtube channel was operating at a loss because it got no views and he was paying the editors anyway (they just usually asked for payment instead of just expecting it). I agree it was fucked on hasan's part, but it's not fucking comparable to owning Amazon.
The $15 minimum wage thing is literally a union busting tactic btw, he isn't advancing worker's rights by doing that you dumb fuck.
>He could organize his followers and direct money toward political issues he cares about
yeah he should do charity streams, I agree
>he could finance a few worker cooperatives with some startup capital
Do you mean donate money to a business, or invest in a business? Either way it's retarded.
>he could revenue share a percentage of YouTube profits with his editors
I think he actually does do this, but I'm not 100% convinced.
>some indication that he donates to charities at all would be nice
Showing your donation receipts is tacky as fuck.
>But it is odd that despite making it seem like our support should be entirely transactional, we don't treat him like we're just using him.
What would you prefer?
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>>22750606
Wait, so Hasan was justified in not paying a guy because he didn't ask for it directly? Why can't I say it's not unethical to pay a wage worker $5 an hour so long as the wage worker implicitly agrees to it by doing the job without complaint? Regardless of what his editor said, Hasan shouldn't have thought it was okay to personally benefit off of someone else's labor for free. Further, at the time Hasan a twitch stream that averaged thousands of concurrent viewers, so telling me his YouTube channel wasn't doing too well doesn't tell me much.
Sure. I don't view Bezos as some leftist here. He pays his workers more in so much as it helps his business. He promotes a federal $15 minimum wage because it helps his business. I don't see Hasan any differently. There's a difference in scale, and that's about it.
>Do you mean donate money to a business, or invest in a business? Either way it's retarded.
Either or. If Hasan believes having a boss is inherently exploitative, why not finance businesses that would lack this exploitative structure? I don't even care if he does profit off making it happen. He's still taking from the opportunity cost of safer investments to promote his values.
>I think he actually does do this, but I'm not 100% convinced.
I heard talk about it for a while but never found out if anything came out of it. If anyone has anything I'll take what I said back.
>Showing your donation receipts is tacky as fuck.
I mean sure, but as things stand it doesn't seem like he donates at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLXJLxwfsrs
I think there's a reason why he doesn't do charity streams, lol.
>What would you prefer?
I just think he's the Dave Rubin of the left and should be thought of as such. The hot Dave Rubin of the left, albeit.
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>>22729136
>200 reply thread about a twitch streamer
lmao you nerds have too much time on your hands
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>>22749755
That's like the key tenet of socialism. Is this supposed to be some epic own?
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>>22751002
>Wait, so Hasan was justified in not paying a guy because he didn't ask for it directly? Why can't I say it's not unethical to pay a wage worker $5 an hour so long as the wage worker implicitly agrees to it by doing the job without complaint? Regardless of what his editor said, Hasan shouldn't have thought it was okay to personally benefit off of someone else's labor for free. Further, at the time Hasan a twitch stream that averaged thousands of concurrent viewers, so telling me his YouTube channel wasn't doing too well doesn't tell me much.
Instead of writing all that, you probably should have read the part of my message where I said
>I agree it was fucked on hasan's part, but it's not fucking comparable to owning Amazon.

>There's a difference in scale, and that's about it.
Meds

>I don't even care if he does profit off making it happen.
See, if he did this that would literally make him capitalist, that is someone who makes their money by owning capital.
If you consider yourself a leftist, you should honestly read theory. You might then understand the difference between union busting, capitalist exploitation, and not paying one guy when he doesn't ask and then paying that same guy when he asks.

>I think there's a reason why he doesn't do charity streams, lol.
I think it's laziness honestly. If it were just greed he would do them for the positive publicity.

>just think he's the Dave Rubin of the left
I don't really agree with this. Rubin is an incompetent, he's not even a useful idiot for the right at this point, he's just an idiot.
I think Hasan as a useful propagandiser, I don't think he's a important thinker or anything like that. I don't think anyone does.
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>>22751894
>Meds
Gotcha, so you can't give me a distinguishing characteristic other than scale.
>See, if he did this that would literally make him capitalist, that is someone who makes their money by owning capital.
Quick thing, do you believe Hasan makes no money off of making investments? In one case, he decides to profit by promoting businesses with a top down corporate structure that exploit their workers. In the other case, he creates businesses where workers democratically own the means of production. If you want to do a lesser of two evils calculation here, you tell me which you think it is.
>I think it's laziness honestly. If it were just greed he would do them for the positive publicity.
Given that he's implied that he gives to charity but just keeps those activities secret, but couldn't think of even one charity worth giving to when asked, it seems like he wants to gain the public publicity anyway.
>I don't really agree with this. Rubin is an incompetent, he's not even a useful idiot for the right at this point, he's just an idiot.
If I say he's a peak popularity Dave Rubin type figure, does that fix your problem?
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>>22749768
He's half anglo and white passing.
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>>22751992
>Gotcha, so you can't give me a distinguishing characteristic other than scale.
These things are different in KIND.
One side you have
>normally editors tell you what they want to be paid
>you pay them
>one guy doesn't ask
>you don't pay him
>eventually he asks
>you pay him
On the other side you have
>directly profiting from cheap third world labour, and doing what you can to make sure that labour remains cheap
>putting American workers in terrible conditions where they have to piss in bottles
>actively frustrating all their attempts to unionise
If bezos did that to one person it would still be worse than what Hasan did. Which btw I think was dumb, he should have been proactive about paying editors.

>Quick thing, do you believe Hasan makes no money off of making investments?
No. He might make money from buying his house. He has a 401k. But that's different from owning a business. if he has the ability to pull funding then he is able to dictate working conditions in that business. You can't do that with a 401k.
Those workers would not own the means of production if he owned a significant piece of it. That's why co-ops, which generate billions and billions in the world economy already btw, aren't socialism.
>but couldn't think of even one charity worth giving to when asked
that seemed like a meme to me
>If I say he's a peak popularity Dave Rubin type figure, does that fix your problem?
No, I think Rubin is defined by his idiocy, and I don't think Hasan is an idiot.
he's closer to Steven Crowder honestly.
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>>22752142
Sure, Bezos owns an international company, so naturally the scale of what he does will be a lot larger. However I have no indication that Hasan has ever stood by socialist principles when it cost him to do so, and you haven't really given me any examples otherwise.
>If bezos did that to one person it would still be worse than what Hasan did.
How is that? Because you dislike Bezos but like Hasan? Let's say Bezos gave someone an unpaid internship.
>No. He might make money from buying his house. He has a 401k. But that's different from owning a business. if he has the ability to pull funding then he is able to dictate working conditions in that business. You can't do that with a 401k.
>Those workers would not own the means of production if he owned a significant piece of it. That's why co-ops, which generate billions and billions in the world economy already btw, aren't socialism.
Workers would own the means of production. They'd just have a loan, and I'm not suggesting Hasan gets heavy handed on the conditions of the loan. And to whatever extent you think the loan would undermine their autonomy, those same workers working under a corporation would undermine it even further. Also, if he wanted to do this for no benefit at all by just giving the cash directly, no problem. I'm just suggesting ways I don't think are too difficult for him to show that he actually cares about left wing issues.
You can also disagree that worker cooperatives are what constitute true socialism. However, Hasan decided recently to reduce socialism to the exploitation of labor to defend his high income. I am not asking him to hold to the standards of any other leftist than his own.
>Steven Crowder
I feel like Steven Crowder believes what he says though, so doesn't quite work for me. Admittedly I don't follow Crowder at all besides when drama stirs.
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>>22749633
Hasan stans are not representative of actual commies or working class people, which don't get me wrong still have only a limited overlap.
>>22742089
The whole train of debate "is X a socialist" is a liberal scarecrow, we don't need to observe who is a true believer or not, but how we can support actual workers in developing class consciousness and creating a position of strength.
If you want hasan simps to get off their ass the question is "how does subbing for hasan do dick all for the cause?"
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>>22752403
>so naturally the scale
difference in kind, not scale.
Are you fucking dumb?
>Because you dislike Bezos but like Hasan? Let's say Bezos gave someone an unpaid internship.
No, because what bezos does is worse.
An unpaid internship is a LOT closer to what Hasan did than the shit Bezos did, finally you'd found an appropriate analogy.
An unpaid internship is still worse than what Hasan did, because an intern doesn't get paid if he asks.

cba debating the hypothetical crap about co-ops, so I concede that.
>Hasan decided recently to reduce socialism to the exploitation of labor to defend his high income.
hasan didn't decide that, high income doesn't mean you aren't a worker and suddenly become a capitalist. Normally when people make a lot of money through a wage, they use that money to become a capitalist to some extent, but that doesn't mean high income is necessarily bad on its own.

>I feel like Steven Crowder believes what he says though, so doesn't quite work for me.
Well I think Dave Rubin believes what he says more than Crowder does, but whatever. I've already said I don't care what people believe deep down if what they do is useful.
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>>22742192
the only based pro Hasan defense
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>>22750518
Not an argument, just like Hasan doesn't have an argument to justify his hipocrisy, people only support him because he's hot.
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>>22746159
>Someone like that is obviously different to some crazy consumerist streamer
why?
he's spreading class consciousness to a wide platform. how is it different?

the only circumstance where i can see participating in capitalism as unethical for a socialist is if you abuse the working class more than they otherwise would be. even then, from an accelerationist perspective, it could be argued you're just taking capitalism to its logical conclusion, which is proletarian revolution.
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>>22742188
thats absolutely bullocks. You are not forced to participate in a capitalist system. You can create your own communist community. But of course nobody wants to do that, not even the hypocrite marx who was just a neet leeching off his rich wife
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>>22729246
>the 0.1% complaining about the 0.001%
yawn. Fuck you amerifucks
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>>22753336
even if you're right it doesn't matter.
socialism isn't about separatism but revolution via exacerbation of the contradictions within the capitalist system.

why separate when you can supercede if you're dedicated enough and wait long enough?
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Perfidious Ottoman grifter
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>>22741757
Socialism is when poor. But he should seriously release how much of that he donates and how much he pays his staff, now that his salary is public.
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>>22755717
>But he should seriously release how much of that he donates
0, he couldn't come up with a good charity to donate to when someone asked him.
And all his political donations are public: https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=Hasan+Piker
He doesn't pay his mods, and I'm sure he at the least splits his youtube revenue 50/50 with his editor, but that isn't saying much.
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>>22755717
>>22755790
charity is a way of alleviating the guilt of the rich for the conditions of the poor. it wouldn't prove anything as far as socialist bona fides are concerned, quite the opposite.
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>>22755827
He could help fund any of the movements he supports, doing this publicly would encourage his audience even more to do the same, but he refuses to do so, it doesn't have to be charity.
He's just a champagne socialist who's hoarding his wealth.
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>>22755874
>He could help fund any of the movements he supports
how? funding a revolution is illegal dude.
>He's just a champagne socialist who's hoarding his wealth.
this is not a problem. spreading class consciousness is what makes one a socialist, not whether and how poor you are or how much you donate to charity.

have you ever read a single piece of socialist literature?
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>>22729653
>the revolution
stopped reading right there. Damn, are all leftists such fucking faggot LARPers? There is a reason why wine aunts are taken more seriously than you guys. SAD.
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>>22757569
>LARPers
where am i larping? "the revolution" refers to the inevitable revolt of the working class when the wages they are paid are no longer able to feasibly cover the material conditions of their lives. this is a historical inevitability, nobody needs to consciously do anything. capitalism itself ensures that this will happen, because the rate of profit will continually fall as production becomes more efficient, accelerating the theft of yet more of the fruits of production. this is all inevitable, nobody needs to start anything. i even mocked the idea of that in the very post you quoted, you're just too stupid to understand it.

i'm merely pointing out that choosing to participate in this system is not per se immoral, and in fact can be a good socialist act if it is done in a systematic way so as to accelerate this pauperization of the working class.
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>>22757597
>the revolution" refers to the inevitable revolt of the working class when the wages they are paid are no longer able to feasibly cover the material conditions of their lives
The working class is majority right wingers who vote Republicans and want less taxes.
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>>22758145
>The working class is majority right wingers who vote Republicans and want less taxes.
yes this is fascism, it's a distraction from the historical processes which must inevitably lead to their enslavement to capital.

furthermore, in the US there isn't even a 'working class' in Marxian terms, that has mostly been outsourced to 2nd world countries. what's left is simply a labor aristocracy beholden to delusions meant to keep them divided from their global compatriots, i.e. "muh Jews muh trannies muh immigrants" etc.
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>>22729136
Is it true that this attractive gentleman is uncircumcised even though he is Turkish?
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>>22752560
>Well I think Dave Rubin believes what he says more than Crowder does, but whatever. I've already said I don't care what people believe deep down if what they do is useful.
I mean, if you're willing to concede a comparison to someone who you think is more dishonest than Dave Rubin, I'm fine just calling it there. Not interested in a prolonged multi-day argument anyway.
>hasan didn't decide that, high income doesn't mean you aren't a worker and suddenly become a capitalist. Normally when people make a lot of money through a wage, they use that money to become a capitalist to some extent, but that doesn't mean high income is necessarily bad on its own.
Do you think the value of Hasan's labor is 44 times the value of the labor a median U.S. household?
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>>22760450
>if you're willing to concede a comparison to someone who you think is more dishonest than Dave Rubin, I'm fine just calling it there.
As I'm sure you know, I was referring to the type of content. They both blend politics and entertainment, and purposely use the entertainment to promote a political point of view. Not interested in measuring "honesty" because it's a ridiculous, unfalsifiable, and ultimately useless metric.
>Do you think the value of Hasan's labor is 44 times the value of the labor a median U.S. household?
the fuck kind of question is this?
if you're asking how much income is deserved in some kind of abstract moralistic way, then no. Everyone in America deserves a palace, diamonds and riches and baubles of the highest calibre.
But if you're asking me how much value he actually creates, then yeah his labour is worth many times the average. Ben Shapiro's labour is worth many times the average. That's just a statement of fact.
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>>22755790
>He doesn't pay his jannies
Good.
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>>22761801
>But if you're asking me how much value he actually creates, then yeah his labour is worth many times the average. Ben Shapiro's labour is worth many times the average. That's just a statement of fact.
No subjectivity here. What is Hasan's labor objectively worth? Did you determine the value of his labor through the market forces of supply and demand with no reference to the value of the underlying labor itself? That is to say, the value of someone's work is purely determined by what people are willing to pay for it?
>As I'm sure you know, I was referring to the type of content. They both blend politics and entertainment, and purposely use the entertainment to promote a political point of view. Not interested in measuring "honesty" because it's a ridiculous, unfalsifiable, and ultimately useless metric.
And yet you were completely comfortable saying that Steven Crowder is more dishonest than Dave Rubin. Once the potentially dishonest person is on your side, your epistemological standards for making these kind of determinations suddenly jumps up. That's interesting.
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>>22763767
Labour isn't valuable in a vacuum.
If I go outside and decide to shift rocks from one side of the road to the other all day, I'm working hard. Is that work valuable? No, even though I'm expending more effort than what Hasan does.
Hasan's labour is worth as much as money as it generates. Which is probably significantly more than he receives in income.
If we're talking about the inherent worth of labour, the supply of labour doesn't come into it. A McDonalds worker's labour is worth X amount. But their wage is far less because the wage IS subject to supply and demand.

>And yet you were completely comfortable saying that Steven Crowder is more dishonest than Dave Rubin.
once again you are a fucking idiot. I'm comfortable saying I subjectively think Hasan is being honest with his political views. What I'm not comfortable with is saying that his honesty about what's in his heart actually matters.
I only fucking mentioned my subjective thoughts in the matter because you can not get it through your thick head that I'm not comparing these people based on honesty. if I subjectively think Hasan is honest, and subjectively think Crowder is dishonest, and I think those two are similar in a certain way, then I'm not saying that I think the similarity is based on this quality of honesty.
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>>22764197
So to collapse that all down, yes, the value of Hasan's labor is determined by the revenue it generates, which is ultimately determined by people are willing to pay for the service and how many people are paying for the service. It's all based on the subjective preferences of buyers within a market system.
>once again you are a fucking idiot. I'm comfortable saying I subjectively think Hasan is being honest with his political views.
And you're incapable of giving any example of why anyone else should think that.
>What I'm not comfortable with is saying that his honesty about what's in his heart actually matters
Never made the claim that it matters in terms of what short term benefit you get out of it. My claim has always been that Hasan's actions are completely consistent with and best explained by him acting in his own financial self interest and that people who like the consequences of him pursuing that should just view it as a mutually beneficial transaction where we're using him for our own ends and us for his. If you thought I was trying to make any point bigger than that, you were mistaken.
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>>22764447
by how much people are willing to pay*
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>>22764447
>you're incapable of giving any example of why anyone else should think that.
>people who like the consequences of him pursuing that should just view it as a mutually beneficial transaction where we're using him for our own ends and us for his
There, you answered it yourself.



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