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How do fellow AGPs cope? Trooning and repping both appear to be different sides of the same hellish coin. The reddit memepage askAGP suggests there might be a cure through extreme discipline and erotic reprogramming. Likewise others say trooning is the only way and that it's a 'perfectly valid reason to transition'. Finally there's manmoding, which seems like the worst of both worlds.

How do agps escape this hell? Is there any hope? I'm tired of being gender obsessed it's objectively a boring topic but I can't stop ruminating about what to do.
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>>22326371
>How do fellow AGPs cope?
By transitioning.
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>>22326393
If I transitioned it would be like pic related but even more masc.
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>>22326371
there's two routes

1. trooning out and putting your everything towards passing in the hopes that you can girlmode like 1-2 years down the line

2. accepting that you'll never pass and repressing "healthily" by finding other activities that satisfy you

>>22326431
how did a soiboi turn into a chadhon?
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>>22326456
Is there a way to shrink the desire? Like the same way some terminal cancer patients are able to shrink their tumors with proper treatments and eke out another decade of life?
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no. the choice is basically either transition or transition in the future instead. that or death.
anyone who tells you there’s a secret path to cure dysphoria is selling you snake oil in the hopes that maybe if they trick enough people into believing in it that the magic of imagination will make it actually work.
for proof: this askAGP subreddit you mention? the owner of it recently started HRT.
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>>22326468
repressing healthily on hrt
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>>22326535
>this askAGP subreddit you mention? the owner of it recently started HRT.
Jesus fucking Christ.
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>>22326605
ya. turns out the person who dedicated their entire life to “proving” that trannies aren’t real is in fact a tranny. real shocking twist ending there no? except not really.
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>>22326605
Is that supposed to be a bad thing somehow? You can be both gender dysphoric and an autogynephile. My AGP lessened greatly once I went on HRT, however. Probably because it's less testosterone in my brain.
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>>22326635
That's a hilariously epic blackpill. The gods really fucking hate us.
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>>22326646
it’s a bad thing because if they just took HRT rather than setting off on a retarded quest to psyop trannies into detransitioning they’d be infinitely better off and happier
>>22326651
true. they do like a bit of dark humour.
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>>22326371
repressing isnt hellish, in fact, its the most healthy thing you can do as a non-dysphoric AGP. technically its a misnomer, too. you're not repressing any inner feelings because you arent a girl on the inside. not trooning out is literally being your authentic self more than anything.
even if this doesnt mean anything to you, just remember that there are serious risks associated HRT, health-related or otherwise. Pinkpillers try to play it down, but you could literally kill yourself by taking it - if you're lucky its only social suicide...

>>22326535
you've been lied to. you're repeating a harmful cult doctrine. transitioning literally does not solve anything.
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>>22326680
>>22326688
I'm stuck exactly between these two perspectives. I'm working with a therapist to sort through my depression without hrt to determine whether or not my other mental health problems are related to my gender identity and/or fetish.

This bullshit is so fucking confusing.
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>>22326688
oh no, dangerous side effects like what? blood clots if they accidentally take fucking female horse piss rather than estradiol?
if they weren’t dysphoric they wouldn’t describe repression as hellish XD
if they weren’t dysphoric they would be able to just jack off to themselves wearing a skirt/weird captioned hentai/sissy porn or whatever it is that gets their rocks off and move on with their fucking day XD
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>>22326733
I mean I do jack off in drag like a typical cd rapehon but I also am kinda in love with my girl mode and wish I could be her more often.
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Transition is the only choice. Stop repressing, start living.
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>>22326535
literally this
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>>22326785
stop trying to get people to troon out alice
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>>22326733

>they would be able to just jack off to themselves wearing a skirt/weird captioned hentai/sissy porn or whatever it is that gets their rocks off and move on with their fucking day

REE I WAS HAVING A FINE TIME DOING EXACTLY THIS UNTIL I STARTED COMING HERE. I WASN'T EVEN HERE FOR TRANS ISSUES, NOW EVERY TIME I COOM I HAVE TO WONDER WHY I NEEDED TO COOM.

Still feeling no negative feelings towards my masculine features at all, but this place destroyed my confidence in that.
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>>22326799
all you're doing is delaying the inevitable.
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>>22326770
ya. my point is if you were genuinely just a fetishist, you would be able to put on your female clothes, go for a fap, and emerge ready to tackle the world as a man. you would not love your girlmode. your girlmode would be a sex toy that makes your penis go awoooga and shoot cream and nothing more. you wouldn’t be emotionally attached to it. you wouldn’t desperately want to become it. you wouldn’t hate yourself for being male.
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>>22326803
hope you enjoy balding soon buddy
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>>22326797
>non binary transition
Lol why can't this dood just call a spade a spade
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>>22326825
give her another 6 months
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>>22326803
Right? Fucking info hazard board needs a caution sign.
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>>22326733
>if they weren’t dysphoric they would be able to just jack off to themselves wearing a skirt/weird captioned hentai/sissy porn or whatever it is that gets their rocks off and move on with their fucking day XD

>what is ROGD
>what is TOCD


>>22326725
Yes, please talk to someone who actually knows their shit instead of coming here. On /tttt/ you will only get insincere pinkpilling and gaslighting. You can be certain that no one here has a clue what they're talking about. They're all just repeating tranny cult doctrine.
>le "all reppers break" meme
>le "trans women are women" meme
>le "agp is normal female sexuality" meme
its all brainworms with no basis in reality, dont let them fester within your mind!
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>>22326808
who are you, nostradamus?
most agps don't need to troon out.
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>>22326821

Shouldn't be too bad, the men in my family keep their hairlines well into their 50's.
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>>22326841
>ROGD

Here's the paper where ROGD originates from:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330
>Recruitment information with a link to a 90-question survey, consisting of multiple-choice, Likert-type and open-ended questions, was placed on three websites where parents had reported rapid onsets of gender dysphoria.
>In recent years, a number of parents have been reporting in online discussion groups such as 4thwavenow in the US (https://4thwavenow.com) and Transgender Trend in the UK (https://www.transgendertrend.com) that their adolescent and young adult (AYA) children, who have had no histories of childhood gender identity issues, experienced a rapid onset of gender dysphoria.

4thwavenow:
>Parent-skeptics who question medicalising gender-atypical youth. 'Like samizdat for the sane & ideologically uncowed'. Free speech. Science. Rational feminism.
https://twitter.com/4th_wavenow

Transgender Trend's site:
>This site is for everyone who is concerned about the social and medical ‘transition’ of children, the introduction of ‘gender identity’ teaching into schools and new policies and legislation based on subjective ideas of ‘gender’ rather than the biological reality of sex.
>It is for parents or carers who are concerned about their teenager’s sudden identification as ‘transgender’ or worried about the new teaching of ideology as fact and the introduction of mixed-sex toilets and changing-rooms in their child’s school.
>It is for feminists and allies who are concerned about the erosion of sex-based rights and protections for women and girls.
https://www.transgendertrend.com/

The third website is titled "Youth Trans Critical Professionals".
https://youthtranscriticalprofessionals.org/

Summing up, two of the three websites are certifiably TERF websites and the third is "trans critical". And this is the bullshit cope you're using to avoid transitioning?

Stop repressing, start living.
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>>22326853
the evidence that the character of GD cases has changed is literally better than anything presented in favor of trans activist beliefs
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>>22326872
REPRESSORS ARE LITERAL CANCER
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>>22326853
Didnt read.
Yes, I am trans critical. I don't base my views around science that zealously denies basic biology.
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>>22326889
>>22326886
this is where repression will get you
is this how you want to end up?
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>>22326841
>what is ROGD
first of all, i’m not even going to bother debating if ROGD is real (it’s not, you retard, it was made up by parents to cope with the fact that they never knew) because the theory applies to AFABS in grade school. TC is not an AFAB in grade school.
>what is TOCD
a symptom of obsessive compulsive disorder where the disorder makes you think you are transgender but you DONT want to be the opposite sex. if you want to be a girl then you DONT have TOCD.
>what is gender dysphoria
having 2/6 of the following:
1) a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics, 2) a strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics, 3) a strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender, 4) a strong desire to be of the other gender, 5) a strong desire to be treated as the other gender, and 6) a strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender.
anon and OP, do you have at least 2/6 of those symptoms? be honest with yourself. feel free to lie to me, but don’t lie to yourselves.
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>>22326535
>the owner of it recently started HRT.
Liar
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>>22326371
manmoding isn't so bad, you can even come out to people close to you and be yourself with them, without destroying your job prospects etc because you're a nonpassing MTF
it's the best option for me at least, idk why everyone is talking about either full transition or just repressing
of course it depends on whether you can pass/are ok with not passing (i can't do either)
but for me it helps with dysphoria without having to make my life so much harder
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>>22326952
not lying.
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I just manmode
If you have anatomic AGP then HRT will reduce your dysphoria a lot especially if you don't have transvestic AGP or not much of it at least
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>>22326959
How high do you dose, do you take AA, and most of all how to hide tits? I'm seriously considering this option because it'd end the coom merry go round and I could girlmode on the weekends in gay neighborhood bars or something. Not sure how I feel about infertility though.
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>>22326980
Prove it!
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>>22326900
>pointing fingers at others, implying they're deranged
may i remind you...
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>>22327045
now imagine this creature with a full force male sex drive.
>>22326995
they rage deleted their discord server, so i actually can’t.
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>>22326925
>>what is gender dysphoria
>having 2/6 of the following:
>1) a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics, 2) a strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics, 3) a strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender, 4) a strong desire to be of the other gender, 5) a strong desire to be treated as the other gender, and 6) a strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender.
i feel like this should be posted more often. after spending a month here this is the first time i've seen a possible concrete definition of gender dysphoria

this helps make it pretty clear to me i'm not gender dysphoric or trans. (don't have AGP, either. just am kind of femboyish)
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>>22327076
this list is just a bunch of stereotypes
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>>22327076
if youre not lying to yourself, thats great and im happy for you. i dont want everyone to transition or something, im not fuckin crazy. i just want people who are going to transition anyways to do it ASAP
>>22327088
what?
is "males have a penis" a stereotype? only the last one is a stereotype.
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>>22327076

>tfw have only of those traits

feels gud man, I can keep being horny over gender bender porn and never need to transition ever. Best of both worlds honestly.
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>>22327060
>now imagine this creature with a full force male sex drive
AKA every tranny you've ever seen? Come on, you're making this too easy. Trannies are the most hypersexual and pervy people you can find.
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>It's just ROGD
>it's just TOCD
>It's just a fetish
>It's just me being a failed male, I need to man up
>It's just me being a virgin, I need to fuck a girl
>It's just low test
>It's just this feminized culture and society
>It's just anime brainwashing
>It's just a fantasy, I can't have sex as a man but I'm sure it's no big deal
>It's just a phase
>I just need to live long enough so I can kill myself quietly and never have to deal with this issue
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>>22327100
>is "males have a penis" a stereotype? only the last one is a stereotype.
> a strong desire to be treated as the other gender,
what's this?
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>All trannies are disgusting perverted sick freaks that should die!!! TROONS!! TROONS!! HON!!! HON!!!!!

Why are repressors even allowed on this board any more?
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>>22327115
men and women being treated differently is due to stereotypes, but its not a stereotype to say that men and women are treated differently.
>>22327105
like i said, imagine this person with 500 T rushing through their veins. now that is goddamn fuckin scary.
>>22327104
good for you. i just hope youre not lying.
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i'll repress for life simply because i don't have an alternative. manmode hrt or whatever the meme is isn't worth it since i have too many strong masculine features to ever even remotely pass. sucks but i don't really have a choice. i didn't ask to find out about hrt until it was waayy too late.
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>>22327124
jannies cba to ban stuff like they that, theyre too busy deleting boymoder general threads and jacking off
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>>22326994
i DIY 25 mg cypro and 6 mg sublingual E, can only get blood tests for liver function and such, not actual levels, but i'm getting results so I can't be far off
i'm a year in and only have to wear a sports bra with a t shirt, i just don't go topless in public or with people who don't know
but i'm not super worried about someone noticing, i don't think the average person would immediately assume you're trans
and yes if you're unsure about infertility don't start until you've figured it out
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>>22327134
>its not a stereotype to say that men and women are treated differently.
how not?
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>>22327134

Oh, we'll see if I'm lying here sometime soon.

I may be doing something to break down mental barriers in a week or two to answer things absolutely conclusively for sure.
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>>22327153
because it is blatantly true? we do not live in a post gender world where men and women are treated the same. should we? yes, but we dont.
>>22327156
good luck with it dear anon. either way i hope you end up happy.
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>>22327176

>either way i hope you end up happy

So do I. So do I. Kind of scared of what will come out of it, but I have to do it. I literally have difficulty thinking certain thoughts, like if I try to question certain things and I don't like the answer, the thought will literally not be able to complete unless I force it to.
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>>22327214
I used to feel the same.
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>>22327124
Am I wrong tho?
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>>22327147
Thanks. I'll have to think hard about this. Glad I finally got a therapist desu.
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>>22327220

Yeah, there's SOMETHING in my mind that is locked up really fucking tight and its related to fantasies that all relate back to being female in some way. It's possible that its just a massive fucking blob of insecurity on the topic but I don't have it in me to ignore whatever it is now that I know that its there.
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>>22326797
Wait she's behind that sub reddit?

>>22326825
>>22326831
Its honestly kind of cringe at this point how in denial she still is
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>>22327259
no, its someone called pasha. and they dont look like that at all. i wont describe them because i cant think of a way to do it without being rude.
>>22327248
youll figure it out. i believe in you.
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>>22326371
I'm escaping this hell by taking HRT and girlmoding at home. The boobs are a bit awkward whenever I go outside but it's worth it IMO
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>>22327269
Link to her account?
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>>22326371
Stop masturbating, and stop thinking about tranny shit. That's what I did. As long as you keep thinking about it, and stay in tranny circles you will keep making a big deal about it.
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>>22326371
Be rich and get surgery so you pass. Simple as.
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>>22327380
hello lgbt user
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>>22326371
I had my face torn open and my dick turned into a vagina so I can wear sexy clothes and fuck guys as much as I want
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>>22327511

How's that going for you? Having fun with all the guys you want?
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>>22327227
Nah, you good king
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>>22327532
........ok you caught me im too autistic to know how to
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>>22327608

Well that depends, are you looking for casual sex, or a relationship?

I know a variety of methods if you are looking to just slut around, but if you want an actual boyfriend there's no getting around actually putting the work
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>>22326841
>>what is TOCD
>Despite their attempts to gain certainty over their gender identity, people with TOCD remain plagued with doubt and fear, which in turn prompts more intrusive thoughts and compulsions. This downward spiral can eventually take over a person’s life, resulting in impairment in both social and occupational functioning as well as other mental health problems such as depression, substance abuse and suicide.

This is literally just gender dysphoria.
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>>22327422
I check in on the "girls" every so often to refill my lol reserves.
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>>22327830
i bet you're on a real lollercoaster right now huh
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>>22327640
I don't know. Is casual sex worth it esp if you haven't had any before? Maybe both. I also don't know if I actually pass enough for dating or just hugbox and am pandemic shutin
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>>22327830
>LOL!!!!
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>>22327786
nooo its totally "TOCD"
"omg why cant i stop thinking about transitioning oh god why cant i stop thinking about being a girl i must be OCD ahhhhhhhhhhh"

>>22327863
and repressors are sooooo happy!! dumb cunt
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>>22327830
You're not doing the "correct" thing, you're just trying to fill your repression tank. This is just like visiting pol tranny threads to make fun of them because deep inside you're scared that you may be trans

Just keep that in mind, your behavior is not necessarily rational. You're just trying to confirm your (current) beliefs. I've been where you are several times. I think I know exactly what you're doing.
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>>22327872
yeah, it's pretty obvious what's going on
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>>22327863
>You notice how everyone here, how everyone in all trans social circles, are always miserable? This isn't because society is so transphobic. It's because they've chosen a miserable life that goes nowhere. The same trans ideation that is eating away at you now, will continue to eat away at you even if you transition. It doesn't matter if you pass either. Even if you looked 100% like a woman you would still be miserable.
probably, yeah

>You're better off putting it out of your head and laughing it off when you remember it.
that's not exactly gonna fix it. the solution isn't to create an anhedonic reverse treadmill for yourself
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>>22327858

If you haven't had any sex before, I would say not to do casual sex unless you are absolutely certain. I think you can find someone interested if you pick up an interest that causes you to have to hang around other people especially if the group is already lgbt friendly. You can also try tinder. If you are anywhere near passing you will be completely inundated with people throwing themselves at you.

I definitely do not recommend casual sex for your first time unless you are absolutely sure that you want it. Virginity is attractive to a lot of high sexual value potential boyfriends.
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>>22327865
Repressors aren't happy, because "repressing" still buys into transgenderism, they still take it seriously. They're still constantly thinking about it, torturing themselves over it. My answer is to walk away entirely and no longer identify with it. This gives you the critical distance to look at transgenderism, and your past experience with it without being overwhelmed by emotions that trans ideation instilling in you to perpetuate itself.

>>22327872
>you're just trying to fill your repression tank. This is just like visiting pol tranny threads to make fun of them because deep inside you're scared that you may be trans

No, I actually think trannies are really funny. Like the youtube channel linked above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-NjPouWNM
How can you not find the absurdity of this hilarious? A tranny pretending to be against transgenderism, running a subreddit, wasting all this time on this nonsense. It reminds me of how little kids have a form of serious playing pretend, filling out all the rules of their fantasy world.

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>>22327842
This is the last roflcopter out of vietrans. Get on board or get lolled at.

>>22327903
the answer is just to occupy your time with something else
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>>22326393
why did this give me the fee fees
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>>22328023
autism
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>>22328006
>No, I actually think trannies are really funny.
Of course you do, you're trying your hardest to convince yourself that trooning out is not an option for you. That's why you're actively looking for ridiculous trannies, so you can point and laugh and say "hahaha lol imagine if I did that that'd be so silly lol I'm not like that".
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>>22328006
i mean you can definitely just spend all your time using escapism and life in general to occupy yourself. that want to have been born female never really goes away though. i've been actively repressing knowing hrt existed for, 12 years now. and have wished i was born a girl since very young. the regret of knowing about hrt too late, and being able to have done something if i was a zoomer is still there at 29 and will probably never go away.
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>>22328041
I guess I'm also a repressed cult member because I like to laugh at them too. And a furry, and an HIV denier, etc.
>you're actively looking for ridiculous trannies
I assure you, the difficulty in finding lolcow trannies is limited simply to going to any of their hangouts. Finding well adjusted trannies would be the difficult task. If you really think there's a wealth of mentally normal trannies out there that I'm glossing over, feel free to point them out. The closest I've seen are people who decide to actively avoid the trans social scene. That's pretty telling isn't it. Even then, those types are inevitably mental cases.

>>22328046
No, not escapism. Living a real life instead of torturing yourself over an impossible fantasy.
>that want to have been born female never really goes away though
Yeah it does. I had similar feelings about christianity when I had a religious phase "that yearning for christ never <i>really</i> goes away". Lol yeah it does. These are just emotional stories we tell ourselves to keep ourselves trapped in these ideologies. The rest of your comment speaks to that. You have a version of your life history centered around being trans. I had one of those two. I know all the tricks, like massaging life events into fitting the trans framework. And I did the same thing with christianity, retelling my life's story to fit christian conversion stories. All of these things are delusions you're holding onto. You can just as easily tell yourself a new story about your life. What makes this all so hilarious is once you do it you realize how easy it is. How all the mental anguish you put yourself through was nonsense. In the end you see how absurd it all was, you can't help but smile.
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>>22326991
this
nobody really bothers me about it but I get to have tits and hips, and my brain calmed down a little
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>>22328192
>I guess I'm also a repressed cult member because I like to laugh at them too. And a furry, and an HIV denier, etc.
No? It's because you literally wrote the following:
>Stop masturbating, and stop thinking about tranny shit. That's what I did. As long as you keep thinking about it, and stay in tranny circles you will keep making a big deal about it.

I wouldn't be saying these things to you if you were just making fun of trannies but you've all but admitted that you're repressing your AGP and using lolcow trannies as repfuel.
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>>22327786
nah TOCD is a real thing. but people with TOCD dont actually want to be girls.
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>>22328192
i'm not even sure what you're trying to say. i definitely was crying in bed praying to wake up a girl nightly from 7 to 13 or so. i definitely have never not wanted to have been born a girl. i was just always realistic about thinking i couldn't do anything about it until i found out about hrt at 17, but by then it was too late. you're kind of rambling about nonsense like a schizo. the idea of trying to gaslight people into thinking they never had or experienced very key and strong emotional events in their life personally is beyond fucked up and seriously evil.
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How does it feel to actually have larger breasts? I’m not talking DD I’m talking like b-c’s. The main reason I’m agp(well it’s in the top 5 ) is that I think having larger breasts would be amazing.
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>>22326371
Take high dose cypro. Will chemically castrate you so you're no longer being a coomer.
Also won't cause much if any feminization. There ya go.

Or is that not enough? Do you have some other goal with this? Like do you want to be the ideal of a manly man or something and not an asexual eunuch? That's trickier.
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>>22327932
I see. Yes my plan was an activity group that I want to do anyway but I am pretty sure I'll catch covid if I do that one so I've been putting it off. I've been e-talking with this one guy, he wants me to visit him and he confessed to me but will easily go a week or more without messaging me so idk what his deal is. I didn't know I had to avoid sex entirely or risk losing high value bfs, I could get not being a complete slut but wow
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>>22328280

Don't deprive yourself forever if you want to get laid, but virginity is an attractive and RARE quality. That's not to say that its absolutely make or break though.

You might give your admirer one date and see if you like him, but if he's not trying to get into contact on a more regular basis, decent chance he's not the one.
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>>22328221
The way you guys talk you'd think you're talking about kicking a heroin addiction, and not jerking off to fictionmania and wishing you had tits.

>>22328247
I can do you a year better, I was crying in bed and praying I was a girl when I was 6! And yet I'm normal now. An example of reading events in your past to prop up the trans identity is something like this, I once played with girls dolls and enjoyed it, this objectively happened, the trans retelling of this imparts special meaning on this event, that its actually a sign of female girl play development, and thus shows I actually have a female brain. But in reality I played with them because I was in a waiting room and there was nothing else to do. I see this behavior in trannies all the time.
>you're kind of rambling about nonsense like a schizo. the idea of trying to gaslight people into thinking they never had or experienced very key and strong emotional events in their life personally is beyond fucked up and seriously evil.
Spare me the the theatrics. Obviously what you were trying to do with this thread is play out an epiphany moment where some anon finally convinces you that you're actually trans and you <i>should</i> transition! Yay for anonette! I know this ploy, I did it myself.
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>>22328413
>The way you guys talk you'd think you're talking about kicking a heroin addiction, and not jerking off to fictionmania and wishing you had tits.
If that's really the extent of your AGP then maybe it's not a big deal for you, but given what you've said I'm sure you'll understand that I think it's probable that you're lying to make your repression easier.

Anyway gl anon.
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>>22328413
>Obviously what you were trying to do with this thread is play out an epiphany moment where some anon finally convinces you that you're actually trans and you <i>should</i> transition! Yay for anonette! I know this ploy, I did it myself.
nope. i'm just telling my life experience like i have tons of times. i went to therapy, got the gender dysphoria diagnosis, tried hrt for a little a few years back at 26, and realized it was too little too late and decided to permanently repress. i'm just being honest. the manipulative psycho here is you. you come off as an extremely gigantic asshole incapable of accepting some people are just being honest.
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>>22328250
mine are probably getting into the C range now and it feels fucking great tbqfh, it's weird and they kind of hurt sometimes but the weird proprioceptive change of something that has its own kind of momentum while still a part of you and just kind of being reminded I have them is nice in a weird psychologically rewarding way, plus obviously they're also very sexually gratifying to massage and stimulate
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>>22328250
I have D but they're not even that large. The thing is you can notice them weighing your front down so your upper back can kind of hurt sometimes. And forget jogging or things like that without a snug sports bra
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>>22326393
:(
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>>22328254
>do you want to be the ideal of a manly man or something
I still idealize heroic masculinity despite being a fag on the inside. I used to bodybuild and desu was pretty happy during that part of my life, but I also was young and in love with a girl which totally subverted AGP feelings for a number of years (and of course they always come back once the pair bonding oxytocin from the gf fades)

>not an asexual eunuch
I like sex very much so middle ground options won't satisfy me, if I no longer possessed a male sex drive I'd want a female one
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>>22328280
>>22328322
I don't want to blackpill but do the same rules really apply to tgirls given that they can't breed? Even if you're pure as snow a turboroastie with a functioning womb will always be a serious competitor. Maybe I'm underestimating the drive of men to have a comfortable home life without jealousy, however the drive to breed and secure the social status of fatherhood and symbolic immortality is rather extreme for high value men
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>>22328562
>>22328322
I would think this as well. Are guys who are going to be really into virginity actually people who would 1. Date a tranny anyway 2. Be someone you want to date as a tranny
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>>22328446
Thanks sis.

>>22328451
LOL. The evil psycho man is GASLIGHTING me. M0DS M0DS M0DS M0DS. Well I gave you the answer, sorry it's not as sexy and leading to transformative awakening like you wanted. Real life isn't like movies. All you have to do is stop taking nonsense seriously and find something better to do with your time. Or keep doing the mopey tranny shit if you're that attached to it. Don't let me stop you.
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>>22328511
Be Masc4Masc gay if you love masculinity.
Sounds like you're AAP not AGP
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>>22328592
don't stop the miserable cunt routine either.
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>>22328638
I wasn't attracted to my own body when I was buff, I just liked the social benefits it afforded me especially the way women talked to me and treated me. It made me feel really affirmed as a human being to constantly have female validation.
Sadly, my later depression and gender confusion ended that era and now I'm a fat fuck.
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>>22328700
You seem attracted to the idea of masculinity though.

>especially the way women talked to me and treated me
How do you think women treat you when you're an attractive passing tranny?
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>>22326535
>for proof: this askAGP subreddit you mention? the owner of it recently started HRT.
I don't believe you
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>>22328714
>You seem attracted to the idea of masculinity though.
I'm not sure if I'm meta-attracted or just bi but I do like some men, however larping as a girl in makeup, heels, and lingerie is a condition for me fucking a man so its probably just meta

>How do you think women treat you when you're an attractive passing tranny?
like another woman I would hope, if that was an option I couldn't resist it. Unfortunately my body is much more naturally suited to chadmoding because I'm 6' 3" and have joe rogan traps even when I don't work out. Most women would be afraid of me if I troon'd due to my stature.
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>>22328767
id prove it if they didn’t have a hon rage and delete their discord server
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>>22328784
>*HRT transitioning non-binary rage
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>>22328823
well memed good ma’am
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>>22328773
>more naturally suited to chadmoding because I'm 6' 3" and have joe rogan traps
I hear ya makes it tough. 6'3" is doable with a slender frame but eh.
I will say nikkitutorials makes it work somehow but not sure how
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>>22326560
You aren’t repressing if you are on hrt lol. That’s not even a safe strat anyway because what if you end up with a mix of male and female secondary characteristics, now you just look trans no matter what you do.
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>>22328886
There really aren't any good answers when you're not a manlet
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>>22328961
I think nikki handles it by sort of blobmoding, worth a shot.
Blobmoding with femme fat distribution tho
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>>22326371
I don't believe that AGP is incurable. If I was able to develop such a fetish, I also should be able to move away from this.
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>>22326456
>how did a soiboi turn into a chadhon
Because you're unable to judge bone structure.
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>>22326635
>>22326646
AGP causes dysphoria.
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>>22329071
what kind of sexuality did you have before agp?
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>>22331009
...before?
there was no before
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>>22331019
then you didn't "develop" it, you were born with it
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>>22331019
>she never had a sexuality that didn't involve her being a woman but thinks she can escape it
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>>22331166
>>22331870
How can an amab be born this way??
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>>22326371
Step one is not conceptualizing what is a fetish as the cause of your identity. Having a fetish doesn't cause dysphoria, dummy.
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>>22327863
What about all of the studies showing transitioning helps? I'm really tired of the feels > reals crowd.
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I remember wanting to be a girl since around 13, this thought remains in the back of my mind for the rest of my life sometimes weaker and sometimes unbearably strong. I don't remember most of my childhood, but I strongly belived I was a woman in my "previous life", that's why I'm so weird. Ever since I started watching porn I always self-inserted as a woman. I avoid mirrors and photos, people say I look fine but I can't really stand looking at myself. It's just a fetish, r-right?
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>>22331166
>>22331870
>tfw my AGP was triggered by something external at age 7 so i don't know if it's completely innate or not, but still never had any other sexuality
>>22332872
i think you can be born with a predisposition towards AGP, and then life events determine when and how your AGP will start and what it'll be like
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the gender identity creates the fetish, not the other way around
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>>22332946
People will go to any lengths to dismiss facts that conflict with how they want things to be.
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>>22333687
indeed, I spent a very long time ignoring the reality of my situation even as medical and social advances that made transitioning a more reasonable option over time became more and more visible, and I've been kicking myself since I finally admitted it to myself
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>>22332909
[citation needed]
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>>22332946
The answer is obvious, trannies are dead set on living out their fetish and will say whatever they have to to promote it as legitimate.Why would I give a shit what trannies self report, when I can manifestly see how shit their lives and mental state are?
>my life is great according to science chud!
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>>22334522
Some of them can live it out and be kinda cute though which complicates the equation. Pic related transed AFTER 40.
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>>22335242
holy shit
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>>22335460
IKR
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>>22334385
You always ask for citations and then start crying about being erased when people post the brain studies.
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>>22334522
>They're lying
Predictable.
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>>22335570
looked like an old pooner before. many such cases.
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>>22335733
What's funny is those pics are 10 years apart hrt is a miracle skin drug
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>>22335733
>looked like an old pooner before. many such cases.
Yea just goes to show that when you say "If you're over 25 it's too late to transition" you need to add "Unless you look like a pooner"

>>22335792
>What's funny is those pics are 10 years apart hrt is a miracle skin drug
They're over 50 in the later ones?
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>>22335792
i mean you can tell they had good skin before. which is partially just genetics and diet/not being in the sun for hours a day. person didn't have many masc features at all to begin with besides the balding. ultimately an extreme outlier.
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>>22335820
>>22335835
It all comes down to neoteny I guess, many such cases!
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>>22333047
>It's just a fetish, r-right?
It's much, much more.
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>>22337483
It's certainly a complex mental illness, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
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>>22337863
I'm sorry anon
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>>22333575
[citation needed]
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>>22335570
That's a pretty intense hair transplant I think
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>>22335835
>>22335733
>>22339999
What's sad is going through her posts she still seems depressed and she works at Starbucks in her 40s lmao cursed lyfe
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>>22340860
Well you're a tranny who lost the entirety of your life until 40 ofc you're gonna be depressed unless you're an exceptionally positive person
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>>22340877
>>22335792
she's 40 in the first and 50 in the second?
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>>22340943
Well damn 50 is even worse
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>>22340943
Early 30s first early 40s second but she didn't start hrt until 41
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>>22337863
What kind of mental illness?
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>>22341179
You know what kind.
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>>22341197
...schizophrenia?
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>>22341220
Quite the opposite.
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>>22341179
You mean technically it's the dysphoria that's the illness? Same thing basically.
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>>22341234
Ok now that's just confusing. There is something opposite to schizophrenia?
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>>22341234
>>22341293
well if you use 4chan and you're not a schizo then you're probably an ______
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>>22341519
6 letters? Racist? Maybe a little
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>>22326371
I don't want to cure it. I can't go back.
For most of my life I didn't know what sexuality was. I didn't understand why it was displayed on tv so much. I didn't understand why my friends talked about it 24/7. I thought people chose partners to have children before they found out they loved each other.
I didn't understand why my friends kept hooking up. I didn't understand why people kept hitting on me without even knowing me. I didn't know why I fled from every sexual scenario in my life. Everyday I thought to myself, one day, when I am ready to have children, I will find a girl who wants children and we will have children. But that day never came.
I finally felt what sexuality was watching transgirls making love to each other. This was different than every other porn I've seen. I felt genuinely happy for the first time in regards to sex. I didn't feel dirty. I didn't want to shun it. I wanted to live vicariously though their emotions. I would watch a minute of a scene, then I would lie back on my pillow as my brain rocketed to outer space. Looking at the ceiling I would imagine how nice it must be to be a girl and love someone who is just as beautiful as you. My head was drifting. I'm finally happy. She loves me. I love her. We are so cute together, we can stay like this forever. Be in each other's arms forever. I don't care what the world thinks of me, as long as we have each other I am impervious to their judging glances.
Then I fall back to Earth. I realize I'm all alone. I'm still a man. This is only a fantasy. I have to stay in the closet. And the happiness is gone. I try to grasp it like a fading dream, but it falls through my fingers and I begin to cry. Will I ever find her?

AGP is not my curse. I was born without lust and that has made me unable to understand sexuality. That is my curse. AGP is my salvation to finally experience true romance, if even for a second.
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>>22341519
are autism and schizophrenia actually opposites?
>>22341601
please at least get on HRT, you will regret waiting so long once you finally crack (like me)
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>>22341601
>For most of my life I didn't know what sexuality was
me too but that trajectory was interrupted at age 18 when one of my female friends with a queen bee personality came onto me. Now I have two sexualities: straight male + AGP, aka the transbian equation
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>>22339683
All of the studies showing that both heterosexual and homosexual transgender women have the same unusual brain markers that relate to feminization.

Would you like me to start posting them or are you going to start complaining when I do, as usual?
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>>22341830
Do it, you won't
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>>22341830
i believe in the brain studies, but how does the existence of an innate female gender identity in AGPs follow?
can it be unconscious?
i just can't remember having one when my AGP started at age 7 etc etc
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>>22341876
I just need to copy/paste them from the archive. Simple enough.

>>22341922
So, I'm actually not sold on the innate gender identity narrative either.. but I still think it's something kids generally develop in the first few years of their lives. Subconscious repression could be one explanation, yeah.
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>>22341969
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>>22341969
>>22341976
>tl;dr, fucked in the womb
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>>22341969
:/
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>>22341969
>>22341976
isn't this medicalism?
When are we going to start brain scanning trannies to see if they are true trans?
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>>22345577
do we need to brain scan people to find if they are "real homosexuals"? no, the desire is proof enough
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>>22345596
interesting how we havn't started brainscanning homos yet to justify their existence.
I wonder why it was so important to brain scan tranners

I'm not the one creating the asymmetry between how gay people and trans people are studied.
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I dunno. SO many contradictory claims and opinions out there.

I have been mildy AGP since I first slipped on panties at age 8 or so...but I have never really wanted to be a girl. I never think about being a female in any other context than sexually. Never had dysphoria. I think part of it is that I was already very sexual...always been girl crazy and started masturbating very early. Slipping on panties was just another way to be sexual, to indulge in femininity. But it never has been more than that...and its only part of my sexuality not all of it. I still have the chadlet horndog side that is my main essense...its almost as if my AGP is a cope for when I cannot actually have a woman.
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>>22345691
We literally did scan homosexuals like that to try to prove the born this way narrative back when being gay was more controversial
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>>22346119
fetish
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>>22346774
as in not even actual agp?
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>>22341601
<3

>>22341969
how do tranners identify as female if we don't have innate gender either?
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>>22347050
I have AGP. I get turned on wearing lingerie and fantasizing about being a female having sex. But I have no dysphoria, no desire to troon, still have a cishet desire for women- in fact, cishet sex with women is my preference and the predominanet manifestation of my sexuality...so I believe my AGP to be a fetish
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>>22346119
>its almost as if my AGP is a cope for when I cannot actually have a woman.
You have AGP and heterosexuality alongside each other and in competition. By indulging the het, the AGP subsides as the other part of your sexuality is active. When the het isn't distracting you, your AGP becomes more apparent.

Many AGPs have weaker gynephilia, or none at all (straight and ace AGP trannies).

>>22347050
It's genuine AGP, it's just not the whole of your sexuality.
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>>22348072
>You have AGP and heterosexuality alongside each other and in competition
so...im not trans? or only have trans?

its true tho- when I have an active sex life with a female my AGP goes out the window...
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>>22346119
Do you think it's possible that the AGP side manifests outside of sexuality if one is a permavirgin loner?

Cuz my desire to be a woman is the strongest when aroused and I def can get aroused at just the thought of being female (euphoria boner). And I get dysphoric outside of sexual situations, and infact can get more dysphoric after masturbating (escpecially about genitals) but I also go through phases of extreme shame and doubt over ever wanting to be a woman. So maybe I just latched on to the agp feels because Ive failed in my real life (depressed, no social life, no future, had to quit uni, dont feel good at anything, no motivation) and the agp feelz are literally enchanting sometimes.

Like the agp fantasy of just having a big ass or whatever can feel so godly when masturbating, then it comes down afterwards, like I can still be uncomfortable with maleness but the absolute desire I had before will be gone.
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>>22327105
Thanks for ruining my latex fetish for the day
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>>22348556
I have no idea. I have always been very social, always had lots of GFs and female attention, never had any dysphoria- I like my little chadlet body and my big cock...so, I am not a good person to ask.
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>>22348612
oh god youre the slipping on panties anon
thats all you ever fucking talk about
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>>22348612
>chadlet
Pills, Alice
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>>22348619
lol wut?3
>Pills, Alice
lol why?
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>>22348488
Depends what you mean by trans? Would you benefit from transition? Only you can decide that.
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>>22348647
Because all manlets are trans
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>my desire to be a woman is the strongest when aroused
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>>22350884
>>22348556
AGP can be overridden in the short term by getting puss and in the long term by falling in love but the feel good chemicals from those things always fade and the agp comes back. Nothing worse than being 3 years into a relationship and suddenly you get the urge to try on baes dresses.
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>>22351144
If you will troon out in your 50s anyway, than why not transition now? Spare your children the anguish of seeing their dad turn into a tranny.
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Not sure if I'm agp or what. Like I was never attracted to girls or guys. My friends who were mostly guys were always looking for and talking about wanting gfs. But I just never wanted one or felt a desire to have one. I dont know why but I just feel no sexual desire or want for a "significant other". Maybe my sexual attraction part of my brain is broken. The only way I can "get going" as they say is if I read doujinshi and imagine myself as the girl or if I just imagine myself as the girl in some picture/image set(although I do prefer doujinshis most of the time). I dont know if there is a cure to fix what I have. The only cure I can think of is if I somehow become a girl. But that is pretty impossible so I dont think there is one for me.
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>>22351170
I'd rather die based than live long enough to see myself become cringe tbhon
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>>22351340
>My friends who were mostly guys were always looking for and talking about wanting gfs
I can relate. I didn't man up to find a girlfriend until they gave me so much shit about being a loser that I had to prove them wrong (and I did, again and again).
>its not that I couldn't, I'm just a faggot
take that normies
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>>22351401
>I didn't man up to find a girlfriend until they gave me so much shit about being a loser that I had to prove them wrong
I never did I just dropped them as friends really. I dont care much for social stuffs anyways so I didnt lose much.
>take that normies
Based.
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>>22350884
more good pics like this? for encouraging agps to accept themselves
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>>22326371
HRT. Seriously. My interest in all things AGP/transformation/body swap/etc has dropped by like 80%.
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>>22352382
Is that just due to your libido getting killed though? Aside from destroying bones were there other positive effects?
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>>22350308
but I dont want to be a woman.
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>>22352906
If you're under 5 ft 10 you already are one, miss. Cute that you want to be a boy though.
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Is it common for AGPs to be (heterosexual) Chadsexuals? I don't like men whatsoever but there is this tall blonde chad at my work who makes my heart go kerthlunk.
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>>22353067
women seem to think I am so thats all that matters.
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>>22353119
I bet they think you're really handsome :)
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>>22353346
of course, amongst other things...if they only knew why I was such an amazing lover lol.
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>>22353375
You're young aren't you? The feelings get worse I'm afraid, the need to be feminine will grow and grow as you get older until it reaches a fever pitch and you have a crisis moment. At least, that's often the case, and I'd presume it is for you as well given your interest in this topic
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>>22353970
lol. Thats just it. Im old. Its never gotten any worse. Its always just been part of me not all of me. I have been lucky to indulge it fully over the years and learned enough about myself to know exactly who I am and what part this plays in my life...
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>>22351340
>read doujinshi and imagine myself as the girl or if I just imagine myself as the girl in some picture/image set(although I do prefer doujinshis most of the time)
Textbook autogynephilia. Your cis friend wanted girlfriends but you wanted to be the girl.
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>>22354946
>Textbook autogynephilia
Thought so.
>but you wanted to be the girl.
Always have wanted to. I also get jealous of girls well being girls if that makes sense. It can be from anime tv or anything really then it will ruin my whole day or a few cause I just constantly think/daydream about being a girl. My brain is all kinds of fucked lmao.
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>>22355002
>I also get jealous of girls well being girls if that makes sense.
It does. To an AGP being a girl is simply better on an inexplicable level. Your brain isn't fucked, it's just different from cis sexualities.
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>To an AGP being a girl is simply better on an inexplicable level
Wow yea you really understand damn.
>Your brain isn't fucked, it's just different from cis sexualities.
I guess but most people think different=fucked up. How do you even satiate this then?
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>>22350884
Im >>22348556
Your post kinda validated my "feminninty" and gave me tingle in the penis. No boner but it felt it might go that way.

Yeah, thast AGP definitly
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>>22350884
>a male who is literally unable to picture themselves as male intimately with another person unless they are female
Oh no. I get sick if I imagine myself as the guy in a relationship or anything intimate. What the fuck does this mean? I think I would cry and have a break down if I ever had to have sex as a guy. That would be some form or torture for me...wtf is wrong with me. I am so messed up my god... I havent really ever thought about being a guy or anything much until this post. I do avoid anything sexual or sex related as best I can.
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>>22326371

How do I cope? Knowing I didnt actually go through with a transition based on sexual fetishes

I get to be a piece of shit innucuous male by day, and enjoy my superior sexual fantasies night after night
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>>22354218
That's awesome, I'm glad you know you what you want. What brings you to this cyberslum then?
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>>22355566
I want to be a bimbo batman too lmao
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>>22352414
>destroying bones
this only happens if you nuke your sex hormones entirely, the idea is to drop your testosterone and raise your estrogen so they're both in cis female ranges
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Get sad when I will never get to experience what its like to be a girl growing up and now. Is this agp or something else? I try to kill the thoughts with liquor but it never really works.
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>>22356100
Well you definitely have dysphoria, AGP depends on how arousing being a woman right now makes you feel
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>>22356164
>Well you definitely have dysphoria
Well fuck. How do I get rid of it? When it hits I just try to kill it with liquor but that doesnt kill it much anymore(yes I am drinking right now).
>AGP depends on how arousing being a woman right now makes you feel
I dunno I avoid sexual things at all costs. I only get off to being a girl in any scenario though. I'm pretty sure thats pretty AGP. Can you want to be a girl normally? And AGP at the same time?
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>>22356191
>oof, she's a class iv
I'd look into the powers method and laser hair removal
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>>22356208
>she's a class iv
The fuck does that mean?
>I'd look into the powers method and laser hair removal
I have looked into laser as I have pretty strong hair. Is powers method something like how to cure AGP?
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>>22355528
For me it's just that it feels uncomfortable asf.
But I can fantasize using my penis (i would prefer a vagina i think just need to be a woman otherwise, like I imagine having breasts and large hips.
Like I can watch porn with a penis as long as you cant see the male body at all.
But the thought of being a male in sexual or romantic relationship feels very wrong to me and I dont think I could enjoy it all.
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>>22356405
>But I can fantasize using my penis
Oh god I could never. I would never use it ever.
>like I can watch porn with a penis as long as you cant see the male body at all.
Yea no I cant it kills the whole thing for me. I never watch porn really. I prefer reading erotica.
>But the thought of being a male in sexual or romantic relationship feels very wrong to me and I dont think I could enjoy it all.
Sames. I cant even come to understand how guys would actually want that much less enjoy it.
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>>22356405
I literally have never gotten off to anything besides gender bender material and my own fantasies of becoming a girl. I'm lucky to have as many partners as I do lol because my sexuality is fucking B R O K E N
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>>22356100
Sadness and longing like that is the nonsexual side of AGP.

>>22356191
>I only get off to being a girl in any scenario though. I'm pretty sure thats pretty AGP.
Yup, that's pure AGP.
>Can you want to be a girl normally? And AGP at the same time?
Yes, AGP can be sexual and nonsexual and the two parts often come together. Most trans women are AGP in both ways like you are.

>>22356221
Class IV is from some outdated scale of trans women. Powers method is an HRT regimen, you can look up Dr Will Powers on reddit.
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>>22356100
Get sad when thinking of all the experiences I will not get to have in the present and future as well because I wasn't born a girl. Well, if I get so sad so often it must mean I like it in some way, I guess.
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>>22355630
>What brings you to this cyberslum then?
Its the first place that actually put a name to my "condition" I had never heard of AGP before coming here. Its only place I know where I can discuss my fetish and sexual lifestyle and compare to others.



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