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Since switching from DIY to prescription HRT 1.5 yrs ago I've had a lot more facial fat accumulating around the jowl area & away from the front 'apple' bit of the cheekbones. Is this female fat distribution or is it male & the result of too-low dosage? my T is fully suppressed last I checked, barely registered (was self-medding with cypro + progy for years beforehand)
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OP of >>21534440 here

any input? my bottom dysphoria is back and I hate it. started crying at home so I went to the movies and watched like 3 in a row to take my mind off things
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>>21538782
>>21538782
okay so idk if this is related, but I'm like 2 months into HRT and the boysmell started coming back and I'm starting to panic. Does that mean my T isn't suppressed any more? it's so gross I hate it.
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hi i just snorted about 4mg of cyproterone (im on 12.5mg orally daily

will i be okay? ive never snorted anything before im kinda scared
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>>21539480
Snorting filler and binder isn’t good for your nasal cavity but you’ll be fine once. People only get super fucked up when they constantly snort dozens of adderall and DXME tablets etc

Only snort pure powder
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>>21539270
Try cycling 2 weeks on 2 weeks off or using 12.5mg of bica along with the prog.
There's potential you're getting some DHT production because of the prog.
>>21539445
What are you taking
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>>21539523
I’m doing monotherapy. Should I tell the doctor about a DHT blocker? Which one is the one that doesn’t give you brain damage
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>>21539523
I'm on 2mg e 12.5 mg of cypro
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oh, small question, i havent been here for a while, but last few threads i saw that people now apear to recomend cypionate over enathate, why is that? orim just imagining things
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>>21539572
im on the same, dont noid yourself out about boysmell its brainworms. get a test if youre worried to see what your levels are like, but you should do that anyways at the 2/3 month mark. i am on 3 months and took a testabout 2 weeks ago, my tes went down to 2 nmol/L, so you should probably be fine on this dose.
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Trying to boobmax is slow, but I feel like it's the right thing to do.
When im done-ish with the tanner stages is switching to needles the best or can I stay on pills and do it sublingual?
Needles scare me but I know it's cheaper than pills in the long run.
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>>21539544
>I’m doing monotherapy
I was hoping for a bit more information >,< e.g. oral/gel/patch/injection and dose etc.
If you do decide to go on a blocker try for bicalutamide. Cypro is eu only and the one with potential brain tumors. Spiro is a literal pisspill and should be avoided
>>21539572
Sounds fine, think 25mg is often used early and dropped to 12.5 at 4mg? I'm pretty sure, someone else will probably know better.
I wouldn't worry about it however.
>>21539628
Longer half-life so you can pin less often.
>>21539703
>can I stay on pills and do it sublingual?
You can stay on pills and do sublingual if you prefer.
>Needles scare me
if you want to read about it:
https://moderntranshormones.com/2017/11/01/subcutaneous-injection-of-hormones/
https://moderntranshormones.com/2020/11/07/selecting-and-obtaining-supplies-for-self-injection-of-oil-based-hormones/
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>>21539671
Being stinky is gross though and I don't want to go back to showering once or twice a day because i smell bad just by existing, I have a test in august, but the smell is stressing me out, so that's why i posted here.

Sorry for freaking out a little, I'll try to be patient until then.
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>>21539746
I've read about it plenty but it just irks me somehow. Watched a ton of videos and stuff too.
I still will try to go that route.
Needles have always scared me
But for now im just taking oral e and some bica I got been like a week now
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>>21539746
Injection monotherapy with EEn, .3.5ml at 40mg/ml every 10 days
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>>21539848
That should produce good suppression and e levels, which anon is this?
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>>21539885
The anon who posted about low EEn levels with stax sr007 images a few weeks ago. I haven’t gotten a test with my new dosage yet. Scheduled for aug 4.
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>>21539940
>posted about low EEn levels with stax sr007 images a few weeks ago
Wasn't here then
>I haven’t gotten a test with my new dosage yet
What was you past dose?
Current looks fine to me, obviously testing could show otherwise.
Just make sure you're actually being tested at trough levels, aka same day and prior to injecting.
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>>21540061
I was on 2.1ml every 12 days, my levels were 174ng at day 4-5 (can’t remember exactly when I injected, got a planner now though)

I think the problem is I looked at lenas guide not realizing her product is 50mg/ml (I think) and my otokonoko stuff is 40/ml
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I'm on estrogen gel since beginning of may and just got some lab results. It's mono therapy so far, but I might start cypro or bica next month. My testosterone is like:
Free and bioavailable 13.15 ng/dL
Free: 0.13ng/dL
Bioavailable: 2.96ng/dL


Like is this really low already? The reference values show I should have 10x more of everything if I was a cis male. I took bica for 5 days last week but my doctor told me to wait for the results because it wouldn't take very long. Should I still consider AA? I'm kinda scared of cypro because of the brain tumors thing. Thoughts?
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>>21540153
>I was on 2.1ml every 12 days,
I assume you meant 0.21ml. Anyways, at that dose I wouldn't be surprised by slightly low levels.
Wouldn't worry about levels on the new one and just wait for your testing, get levels back before deciding on any more adjustments.
>>21540196
Told you in mtfg that you're already in female T range (20-80ng/dL). I wouldn't bother with an AA at this point.
What is it you're taking currently?
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>>21539746
>Longer half-life so you can pin less often.
didnt enathate have a longer life than cypionate?
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>>21540259
Oh, EEn vs EC. Think it's a availability thing. Sorry.
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>>21540227
Yeah the decimal is in the wrong place oops. Anyways I will await the next test.
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>>21540227
Yeah sorry, no one else answered and there was no HRT general when I asked.


I'm taking these:
https://www.besins-healthcare.com.br/besins/produtos-oestrogel.html

I don't know what the version in North America/Europe would be, but it's really cheap and easy to get here in Brazil.


I apply one pump 3 times a day in the scrotum area.
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>>21540328
Can't really say about gels sorry, but based on your T levels you should be fine. Wait on the results like your doctor said.
If you do decide to go on a AA try to bicalutamide. Cypro (potential brain tumors) is EU only afaik. Try to avoid Spiro:
https://moderntranshormones.com/2018/01/01/whats-wrong-with-spironolactone/
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bump
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Ordered more e. It's expensive. I've tried getting in contact with a clinic that does IC but the last time they contacted me I pussied out and now im doing diy hoping they contact me again since their wait list is somewhat big.
Should be only expensive for the first few months until I can move to injections which should be most cost effective
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is it normal to bleed a little and for it to hurt after pulling the needle out
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can having low levels diy in the early game (<6months) actually ruin any future progress after correcting your levels or is it a meme
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>>21545531
Going low and slow early is suggested for boobmax provided you have T suppression from AA.
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>>21545745
what if no AA because expensive
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>>21545766
Wasting time then really, better to go on injection monotherapy with a high dose.
Then cycle orals ontop of injecting when you have access to more funds.
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>>21545780
I never mentioned not being on mono injection
>cycle
are you saying mono inject alone wouldn't be good enough? my initial question was hypothetical btw
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>>21545800
I was responding to the hypothetical then, going on mono if AA is too expensive would be viable.
Then you could add 6-8 oral e cycling 6 months on and off to try and increase boob growth.
Low levels afaik wouldn't ruin future progress, it would just not prevent further masculinization.
Feminization would occur to some extent but limited due to likely poor T suppression.
>are you saying mono inject alone wouldn't be good enough?
Would depend on if you care about final chest size, otherwise mono is perfectly fine.
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Started off with 2mg estradiol + 100mg spiro and bumped it up to 4mg + 200mg three months later before switching to injecting 10mg/7 days after another 3 months, are these doses enough to achieve good T and E levels?
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So should i start at 50 mg cypro or 25 for my first few months?

Also when should I switch from 2mg e a day to 4? A few weeks? A month?
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>>21547442
Cypro starts at 25mg + 2mg iirc, move to 12.5mg + 4mg after 3 months.
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After three months, I got some lab results, T is 19.6 ng/dL and E at 110 pg/mL. I am only taking 2 mg estradiol oral every 12 h, no AA. Any input to improve my levels? bump to 6 mg daily?
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Should I take my AA (cypro) sublingually as well as the E? Does it effect the half life of the drugs?
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>>21547729
>E at 110 pg/mL
Total E or E2? I assume the former since most of your levels should be from E1 = Estrone. T is already nice and suppressed which is extremely good. If you feel good and are getting decent breast development you can stay on 4mg per day for longer or go up to 6mg oral too. There really is no one optimal method, as long as it works for you and isn't objectively stupid it's fine.
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>>21538782
I'm really dumb and I can't figure out anything. I was taking planned parenthood doses for 11 months with 4mg of sublingual estradiol daily. Just got some Lena and trying to figure where to dose from here. pls help
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>>21548264
seconding, except 1.5years on plannedparenthood
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Im starting powers method DIY when my pills get here with progynova 2mg sublingual/buccal and bica 50mg. Should I start with 4mg/day or 6mg/day of est val? Is 6 still low enough to boobmax?

Will be seeing an endo in like 2 months but

>im 25 and cant wait a day longer
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>>21550271
Boobmax would be taking 2mg oral for 3 months, 4mg 3 months, 6mg until tanner stage 3. Then swap to sublingual or injections + progesterone.
Feminization will take longer doing this but you will likely still get relief purely from being on E.
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>>21551753
Thanks for the info. I saw that Powers started people on 6mg for the low end. I dont want to be microdosing E and not see any changes in 6 months lol but i do want tiddies
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after some really weird labs at the 2 year mark (high T low E while on 8mg injected every 5 days and 200mg rectal prog) i got a new vial. the new vial is more yellow and the old one is more clear. pretty convinced i got a bad vial, because i can't think of an explanation why i would have male level ranges, my labs have always come back well. kinda depressing even meds from a pharmacy can be defective
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The past 2 injections i've done have bled fairly fast and i don't know why.
its not like i can't stop the bleeding, but it runs down my leg fast and kinda makes a mess.
i'm injecting in the same spot i always do so i don't know why, is it because i'm pinching the skin? im going faster than normal? im worried. it happened in my right thigh this time, and left last week
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Can I quit HRT cold turkey without side effects?
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>>21538782
Is it ok to just take 1 pill of diane 35 a day with 1 pill of estrofem?
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>>21554643
Depends what your on and If you’ve had an orchi.
If you’re just on monotherapy yes you can stop cold turkey. If in an other situation it depends which. Some AAs need to be tapered off I’m pretty sure
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>>21554649
Diane 35 is reccommended against because it causes bad side effects. Suggest just doing 2mg of estrofem
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>>21554657
I'm on m tenth day of Adrocur (ora cypro) 25 mg every second day and 2 mg Estrofem. I'm curious because when I was quitting corticosteroids after similar time I was supposed to slowly decrease the dosage.
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>>21554669
I only started HRT so I'm trying to reduce T. I've heard about not taking Diane if you're at risk of DVT which i'm not. Are there any more side effects?
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>>21554618
>The past 2 injections i've done have bled fairly fast and i don't know why.
how bad is this, i'm actually worried.
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>>21555420
You'll probably be fine, where are you injecting?
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>>21555505
upper outer quarter of the thigh, i guess i just got really unlucky 2x in a row, im just worried about injecting into a vein on accident or some shit
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ok so how does the estrofem container work? i cut one or two in half by accident then man mode rage pulled the top off lol
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>>21555908
it wouldnt be the end of the world and it would hurt if you did that
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>>21555985
spin the disc and a pill falls out, how did you mess this up?
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>>21555985
Same lol
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if I've already been on injections for a few months is it worth it to switch to sublingual for breast growth or is the ship sailed?
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hey frens, I was DIY hrt for 2.5 months, oral E at low doses, when I started getting it prescribed they switched me to sublingual because that's just what they offered and told me to take. i'm seeing some people say 2.5-3 months is too early for sublingual, should i switch back to oral? I'm definitely feeling breast buds now right around the time I switched, but my levels were really shit on oral E, haven't gotten them tested yet since switching to sublingual
thanks in advance, i keep seeing lots of conflicting information on the internet + from my prescriber
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been on 25mg bica/day and estrodot 75mcg patches 2/week for 2 months now. just got my blood test results, not sure of the units (Aus btw): T: 25.8nmol/L, E2: 108pg/mL(?), SHBG: 48nmol/L(?). am i being hon dosed? starting to feel some growth but its pretty minor.
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>>21556123
>switch to sublingual for breast growth
Sublingual wouldn't help there either, you need to take them oral to have the liver do the estrone conversion.
Sublingual would just be more expensive and erratic levels compared to injections.
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There's another trans rights event in London this weekend, this time an outright protest in Parliament Square against the anti-trans shit etc.
I'm still not 100% on whether I'm going as it'll cost money and shit, but if I do, I'm planning to take the puberty blockers & FFS placards I brought to the march a few weeks ago, but not the DIY HRT one, as I reckon there's a greater chance of terverts and other unsympathetic types showing up to this one making the trade-off with advertising the existence of DIY so openly less worth it. Instead I'm thinking of handing out leaflets to other trans people in the crowd. What do you think of the attached design, anything I should add or change? Language caveat'd enough to be reasonable?
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>>21557137
God I hate people like you
go back to twitter
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>>21556933
please answer i dont want to be a man anymore :(((
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>>21557137
Again, please don't put hrt.cafe anywhere. People visiting the transdiy reddit will find the resources and so will people finding this general. Don't put it directly out there for people to see, report and investigate. The issue usually isn't finding out how to buy hormones online if you're willing to, it's knowing DIY is an actual, often preferable alternative. A list with online stores is useless and potentially harmful to all of us here.
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>>21557248
I can change that, I figured it might be more okay since I'm specifically only gonna hand these out to trans people specifically? So it's less likely to reach cis eyeballs? Like I said, I can change it anyway, just not sure why there's as much of a problem in this case
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>>21557302
And those trans people are going to show their friends, their gp and endo and then it's a couple phone calls away from an investigation.
Spread DIY awareness and entry level information, not specific resources. You're literally risking sites being taken down, it's not the first time being too open about DIY leads to it getting worse for everyone.
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>>21557380
If you think so, that's fine, I'll remove it
I'm not familiar with any IRL examples of something like this at a protest/march leading to a crackdown on DIY though, last shut-down I heard of was that cis lactation fetishist fucking up Otokonoko for Canada customers by being too open with the customs officers
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>>21557137
Rule 2 still exists. this is a terrible plan. You'll get it all shutdown because 4chan is mentioned and it'll get warped into "muh Nazis" somehow. Let people learn on there own, you don't need to spoon-feed them.
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>>21557380
>>21557453
Nothing ever happens, except that one time it did. QHI was shipping from UK, it was not quite legal.
Both Lena and Otokonoko have had pol and twitter in rage, but nothing came of it. They like most suppliers, are legal.
Most of the sites are legal. DIY is well known among transphobes. They don’t know how to stop it and hopefully by the time any harm to DIY is done we have better healthcare available.
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>>21557510
>Most of the sites are legal
Not all and customs can get stricter too. Better trans healthcare is far away in most places, it's just a bad idea to potentially get more mainstream attention towards DIY.
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>>21557553
Which is why I'm not bringing the placard to this one, only handing out bits of paper to other trans people inside of the protest, I've already removed the URL as requested
How do we get info into the hands of people who need it before they're permafucked by T if not by telling them directly? I had gender dysphoria at 13, didn't learn it was a thing til 15, didn't learn HRT of any kind was a thing to even be able to look it up until 19 & til then thought transitioning was just crossdressing, shaving and a boobjob and being lucky enough to look like a girl already
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>>21557578
Just tell them to do there own research, you don't need to hand shit out like some sort of autistic calling card. All you're really doing is setting some high speed lib up to see the word nigger here and throw a fit and/or get yourself accused of being a Nazi because that's the public perception of 4chan. What you're planning to do is bad optics that puts you at risk, just talk to people one on one at best, don't hand stuff out and don't mention 4chan, let them find it themselves.
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>>21557510
This, the only sites I remember ever being shut down because of UK stuff were both based inside of the UK, QHI were hiding their status as an onshore company registered as an offshore one & them getting taken down is what encouraged the Independent to run a sting operation against a 2nd UK-based site (can't remember the name) that was lax on making it obvious they weren't asking for prescriptions, also shipping from within the UK, much more illegal
both of those were hit in around 2017 and no other sites have been taken down since then to the best of my knowledge, despite the escalating tervert panic in the UK
If UK customs starts seizing Lena's packages she's already said on this board that she'll just change the packaging or whatever to fool them again, they can't shut down the way bigger and more deadly dark web drug trade, let alone some troons buying birth control and cancer meds
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>>21557622
How do people approach me to ask about DIY HRT one-on-one if there's no visible indication I have info about the topic? do you want me to go up to each individual in the crowd of likely hundreds, if not thousands, and say "hey I dunno whether you're planning to get on HRT or already are but here's a bunch of unsolicited info about how you can do that" one by one like an autist who's just learned a new fact and needs to tell each person in sight one after the other? that would be way more cringe and grooming-like
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>>21557640
You're already coming across as a groomer handing that stupid flyer out. Are you just planning to hand this out for no reason? I assumed it was for a pride event where people would be signalling or asking people things like that would be fine, or you could wear a "ask me about hrt" pin or something. Was I wrong? Was this seriously just for canvasing without a plan? I'm trying to tell you you're going to pure yourself in danger mentioning 4chan in the first place, and like people have said you risk getting hrt.cafe shut down or blocked on whatever country you're throwing these around in. It's a terrible plan with way to much risk that can be easily achieved in many other more subtle and targeted ways that will likely yield better results.
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>>21557578
I don't know but it's not handing out papers saying "buy your hormones from hrt.cafe, if anything a list of online vendors seems shady af.

>DIY exists
>taking/making meds by yourself is not inherently dangerous and bad
>official HRT is often very bad and doctors don't know shit
>ordering prescription drugs won't get you into trouble

Those are the first 4 things that came to my mind that people need to actually know before they'd consider DIY. Kids google "how to lower Testosterone" or "how to look like a girl", they're just not gonna randomly find out. It's impossible to get DIY out there on a big scale, the point of contact is almost always another tranner giving info and answering questions. It's something that's sought out, not shoved at people and once you have an entry point you'll get there.
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>>21557137
Jesus Christ no wonder people think we're some sort of cult. Retards like you are why no one takes these issues seriously and wants us dead.
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How many of the folks replying are from the UK yourselves btw?

>>21557678
Learn to read, I'm in the UK and going to a trans rights protest outside parliament, only giving this out to other trans people at the event, not rando bystanders watching it

>>21557695
those are better suggestions, thanks
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>>21557738
Okay cool so you're going to get shouted at and possibly beaten because the flyer mentions 4chan, feel free to do what you want then the problem is going to solve itself very rapidly. Also, stop acting like a groomer if you don't want to be taken as a groomer. Just wear a pin or a sign or something and hand them out to people who actually ask, at worst. At best just fucking don't do this idiot plan.
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>>21557760
A sign would be MORE likely to attract unwanted cis attention though? I have a big placard that says "DIY HRT saved my life" etc. I'm not even bringing to this one because that really would be advertising it to the wrong people. Where do I get a big pin that's readable from a distance that reads "ask me about d.i.y. mtf hormone therapy" at short notice (it's this Sat)? I don't see how either of those suggestions sound less groomer-y anyway. It's not like I'm gonna push these on people who aren't asking for the info, I'm just going to hold them up for people nearby to me to see and if they want a copy I'll give one. what's the point in DIY existing if most people only find out about it too late?
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>>21557832
>what's the point in DIY existing if most people only find out about it too late?
I would argue that DIY won't exist if we start advertising it to "most people", it fucking sucks but that's what it is.
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>>21557738
>only giving this out to other trans people at the event, not rando bystanders watching it
Not how it works, how it ever worked or will ever work. Mentioning 4chan publicly is always a big nono too. There is no effective way to specifically target questioning or trans people wanting to go on HRT who are stuck on waiting lists / live in a shitty environment.
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>>21557832
You're going to get beat up and I hope it makes the news so I can laugh at you, do whatever you want you massive retard. You're a shining example of why tripfags shouldn't be allowed. Please, one last time, don't do this. You will get hurt. It will be a bad time. It may even ruin your life if the other protestors decide to take serious offence at you mentioning 4chan.
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>>21538782
I'm going to be moving pretty soon and need to bring my e with me. When I leave I'll have four packs of 28 2mg pills. I tried looking up the particular laws about traveling with medication from my state (new jersey) but couldn't find anything. I know the TSA rules but not these specifically. Has anyone flown from New Jersey with e (or any meds?) How difficult was it, if at all? I don't have the boxes anymore, but they're not prescription, anyway (I'm diying) if that helps.
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>>21557862
>There is no effective way to specifically target questioning or trans people wanting to go on HRT who are stuck on waiting lists / live in a shitty environment.
So we shouldn't bother, & let another generation of trans people preventably be railroaded into a lower quality of life at least some will never escape from, then?

re: mentioning 4chan, yeah I might change that and I prefer to keep 4chan on 4chan as a general rule too, but unfortunately this is the best centralised source of HRT info, resources, and first-hand experiences anywhere on the internet that I know of, especially for DIY. that it happens to be on 4chan sucks but it doesn't change the fact that if someone asked me a question about HRT that I didn't know the answer to, this is the best place I could think of that they could likely get an answer. how do people who don't know about a thing or what it's called learn that it's a thing, without being told where to look / what it's called?
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>>21557893
Generally travel with a 3 month supply is allowed.
Don't know if you would be tagged due to no script, worst case they'll confiscate the meds.
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>>21557893
TSA won't know or care what they are. It's not the sort of thing they even train people to look for, if you're very very concerned put it in your checked luggage which will reduce the chance of it being an issue even further. Worst case scenario they call a cop on it and you tell them it's HRT meds and they shrug and let you own your way.
t.sa agent
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>>21557910
Just point them to the transdiy reddit.If they care to research they could find their way here.
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>>21557910
>So we shouldn't bother, & let another generation of trans people preventably be railroaded into a lower quality of life at least some will never escape from, then?
Over potentially risking DIY and making us look crazy in the process, likely scaring away people? Yeah exactly. I have the same regrets as you but your conclusion just doesn't work.
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>>21557910
You'd find 4chan eventually if you're seriously searching online. I think the point anons are trying to make is that going to a UK rights protest which will likely be filled with people who are both liberal and likely somewhat online is a very risky move and place to just be handing out this info. You could switch it to just say "google hrtgen" or something but overall just shouldn't mention it.
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>>21557921
>>21557932
Yeah the TSA is fine with it I just don't know about NJ law specifically. They say some states require it to be labelled but I can't find which do and don't
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hrtgen server for less thread dependent advice, research, and chatting
https://discord.gg/2ypYXRZF
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>>21557969
If hrtgen showed up in the google results I'd definitely change it to that, but it doesn't - any similar suggestions? If I can direct people straight to hrtgen without explicitly mentioning 4chan I'll do it
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>>21558125
Is this a perma-invite? If not how long is it active for? & if perma can I add it to my leaflet so I can take off any mention of 4chan? I'll only add it with permission, not without
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>>21558008
No one checks unless you show them.
Occasionally I fly with ecstasy for concerts and just put it in a vitamin bottle and put that in my checked bag, no issues.
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>>21558139
You’re a fucking moron and you’re actively making things worse for the trans community. Get off your high horse and drop the “but but but if I just show all these normies they can pin themselves to girlhood on their own maybe the cis will accept us!” angle because you make us look like groomer freaks and like everyone else said you risk damaging already tenuous access to DIY. If you want to help let people approach you stop this save the world bullshit you’re acting like a freak
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>>21558126
aside from suggesting using a different search engine, not really no, sorry.
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>>21558178
I live in the UK. If I was in a different country I might see your point but when the average wait times to first appointment are like 4-5 year now & then 1-2 years of assessment before HRT nah I'm gonna tell trans people DIY might be an option worth considering. Not letting people's lives get wrecked over hypotheticals. I'm asking for suggestions on toning down the wording etc., already removed the URL and will take other reasonable suggestions on board as well but I'm not going to cower in fear at the terverts who are gonna go after us and call you a pedo & try to get you fired even if you suck up to them.
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>>21558139
>>21558178
Yeah what this anon said. Just by being trans on a dating platform I've been approached multiple times by questioning folks or people who knew they were trans but with no clue about what to do now. I hope it'll be similar once I finish uni and start teaching. DIY takes knowledge and is very passive, you wouldn't tell someone to the face "You should consider buying hormones online" without being asked first. TransDIY I can see advertising, anything else no.
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>>21558273
I don't know what the hell a tervert is but you're going to get messed up by the other liberals for mentioning 4chan.
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>>21558273
It's a bad idea in general. A tranner handing out flyers telling people to buy their own HRT online, how it's harmless and how they should look up some Dr. from the US. It's shizo to the average person, trans or not. Bad idea we've been over this before.
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>>21558273
I've been medicating myself for almost a decade, unrelated to hormones, using online pharmacies - the absolute worst thing you can do is giving these places publicity and either having customs tighten down on incoming prescription medication or getting the sites shut down. Stop making it worse for people who are smart enough to try finding things on their own. Like the others have said, wear a pin that says trans DIY or something if you'd like but leave it at that.
And regardless of the board, you don't mention 4chan outside of 4chan. Rules 1&2, newfag. I don't want this site to become even shittier than it already has.
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>>21558139
it's not permanent, and it'll only be up for a few days. permission is not given to use it as I prefer to keep members to primarily the 4chan sphere, members' friends, and to keep the server private.
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>>21558370
>>21558351
>>21558293
How about this? Haven't decided what to put in the missing space yet, I'm reticent to put /r/transdiy on there as the only source of info because they don't allow any mention of pharmacy sites full stop so it's useless on its own for someone trying to find out where to buy it, I'd prefer to put diytrans.wiki since unlike hrt.cafe they don't put the pharmacy site URLs on the frontpage so the average bored normie won't find that and freak out over it before clicking off the site again but I know that probably won't be cowed enough for you lot either
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>>21558494
That's fair enough, I won't use it
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>>21558651
Don’t mention «taken down».
They are legal. Normies should believe it is fully legal.
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>>21554618
Inject in some new spots, let the old ones heal more
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>>21557137
Don't.
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Anybody in the UK on a GNRH agonist injection (Decapeptyl etc.) for T suppression? Did you take anything to counteract the T spike from the first injection? I was going to order some 50mg bica for this because i don't want to take cypro if i can avoid it.

>>21558651
I would put a link to /r/transdiy and hrt.cafe to make it more accessible for normies and also FTMs, even though it's technically 'illegal' i think its better to give someone the choice. And i saw a lot of people talking about sources on there so i think someone could figure it out with those two. Maybe a link to transfem science too? Since there's so much misinformation and speculation on reddit its good to have somewhere with objective data/studies.
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Is low and slow dosage to 'emulate female puberty' a meme? Should i stay on 2mg estrofem and ramp up slowly or try and convince my endo (UK gendercare) to let me get a higher dose after 6 months? I don't really care about boob size as much as overall fat redistribution esp. in the face and butt/thighs
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>>21559102
I put that there to futureproof it in case someone goes to one website & it later gets taken down one way or another (e.g. subreddits eventually getting banned) they don't get disheartened and think that's the whole of DIY HRT gone
is there a better way I could word it?

>>21559565
Read the thread, everyone's throwing a shitfit when I tried to do that >>21557137
lmk of any specific URLS you think I should put on there, what is transfem science, that a wiki page of some sort?
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>>21559529
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>>21558651
Seems fine I suppose, also you could try looking at other flyers (just in general) to learn more attractive design. All caps shit with a boring font is kinda off-putting
Overall though, don't hand out these flyers unless people come to you. Like others said you don't want us to look like groomers. I would wear a shirt or pin that says "ask me about trans DIY" but I know that's probably too much work for you especially on short notice
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>>21559697
>what is transfem science, that a wiki page of some sort?
Research articles about hormones etc.
https://transfemscience.org/
Literally on their frontpage
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>>21559769
Yeah short notice & also I figured that might defeat the point of not taking the DIY placard if normies can see it from miles away
I'm going to hold up a copy of whatever I print out so people near me can see what it is I'm handing out, but I'm not going to just give them to people unless they ask for one, that'd be the line IMO between educating and grooming
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>>21559867
Ah yeah I've seen that frontpage before. The articles look a bit heavy for people new to the subject but I'll keep it in mind
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>>21556933
That 25mg of bica is not going to consistently stop T from reaching your receptors, you need a higher Bica dosage.
E is on the low side, same results as I get with 75uq patches. You want higher e levels to suppress your T to help your bica out.
If I was your endo I'd move you to 150uq patches and 50mg of bica, and add 2mg oral estrogen since you will want some e1 for your early breast development.
If you get linear gains of doubling your e patch dosage then it'd put you at 200pg/mL which is a good place to be, that should help start pushing T down to manageable levels for bica to do the rest of the job.
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Does anywhere have a general conversion rate between doses of pills vs doses of different injectables (depo, valerate) etc? A friend is out of pills and I have depo I can give them, but we don't know what the equivalent dosage is.
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>>21560208
Well if your friend is taking oral then there's no equivalent since they have very tiny e2 levels.

Also people respond too differently to different intake methods so there is no general conversion rate, but if you give me more to work with I can come with a suggestion. How long has your friend been on hrt? What doses are they currently on?
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>>21560198
thank you. i'll bring this up at my next appointment with them in a few weeks.
btw do you have any thoughts on use of T gel to help maintain, yknow? i've been considering asking my endo but idk how to brooch it with them...
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>>21560325
One is to use a gel without a penetrant so you are only doing it for skin health. Basically the tissue there responds to T for flexibility and such.
If t gel has a penetrant then it's going to raise systemic levels, but it will also reach underlying tissue. Usually this is mostly used for when someone wants to bank sperm despite being years into hrt already. You will see some masculinization while doing this.

Function does not strictly get killed by AAs/Estrogen as it differs too much for people. For example I had no issue with atrophy/function even at 3 years in of 50mg cypro. It's more of a state of mind thing and you can avoid atrophy by well, making sure you get frequent enough erections. "morning wood" as we know it is actually a function of the body to maintain/to prevent atrophy so if you lose that from happening, you need to compensate.
It's normal to not become as fully hard though and I don't think T gel is going to help that. If you're on Bica you should be fine with not totally nuked T levels that other AA's can give, and that should help.
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>>21560403
right gotcha. had a bit of issue with full hardness lately (last month or so), but that might just be psychological. i've been trying to keep it active regularly though, i've heard that advice of use-it-or-lose-it before. thanks again
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>>21538782
is anyone here from southern california? i'm considering going to the metamorphosis medical clinic in orange county to get informed consent HRT but idk if they're any good or not
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>>21560457
This isn't like big on my personal priorities so I don't know too much about it. Iirc if you really want full hardness you want to resort to using a penis pump or something?
I read something about it in the Powers subreddit of some users there talking about it.
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Are herbal supplements placebo, or are they actually doing the bare minimum?
I don't want to fully transition, but I'd like to have SOME of the effects of HRT, are herbal supplements a good way to do that?
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>>21560274
6mg of pills a day, diy for 5 months, they're seeing a doc in a couple months to get an rx for something better. I have depo injectable.
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>>21561033
>Are herbal supplements placebo
To keep it simple, yes. Also a lot more side-effects.
>I don't want to fully transition, but I'd like to have SOME of the effects of HRT
Not really possible, you can minimize boob growth via playing odds, but even that is not guaranteed.
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Are you able to do oral/sublingual at the same time?
Or should I just stick with oral for the first few months?
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>>21561476
Similar question, I've started on Otokonoko's stuff, and have been taking them orally. Is sublingual or bucally better?
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>>21561094
Oral or sublingual? Anyway if sub i'd do like 5mg EV every 5day? if I remember my numbers right.
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>>21561033
bicalutamide monotherapy (50mg) is the best route to achieve blocked masculinisation and minimal feminisation out of the current touted regimens
+ finasteride if you have high DHT genetics
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>>21561033
Herbal supplements are not placebo, but many of them will not give you effects you really are after. Like there's no point in getting breast buds when you're still fully masculine and hairy.

Try anti androgen only for a year, two tops and you'll probably figure out yourself by that time. When you're healthy and young, bone density issues don't arise that quick and you wouldn't be fully suppressing your testosterone, just getting it to "low t" levels, unless you desire more.

The 3 noteworthy herbs are Fenugreek, Red Clover and Pueraria mirifica. But they're not really going to do much solo, but the last one, Pueraria mirifica seems to have some validity to it when combined with an anti androgen to cause extra feminization without much breast stuff happening if it is what you are after, but I'd rather just take a low dose estrogen dosage that is -not- oral.
Fenugreek and red clover are more relevant for boobmaxing in combination of normal hrt or milk making.
>>21561476
>>21561518
Sublingual is rarely perfect so you likely already swallow some if doing sub. Buccal is more likely to be perfect as it kinda stays put.

I recommend doing a mix of them, leaning more oral since it will lead to better synergy for your receptors to upregulate and to reduce desensitization. Picture related from the hrtgen server explaining why!

from the hrtgen discord server again
(all include 50mg bica daily, sub during afternoon, i.e. buffered between a dose of oral, e.g. oral/sub/oral)
month 1-3: 2mg oral, .5mg sub
month 3-6: 4mg oral, 1mg sub
month 6-9: 6mg oral, 1.5mg (or 2mg) sub (continue until tanner 3)

Note:
All doses are taken spread out (2mg = 1mg morning/night, 6mg = 2mg morning/afternoon/night)
Note: If over 75kg then may need to increase dose by 1-2mg (depending on levels)

Additional:
low dose asprin (81mg daily) can be added since oral e has clotting worries
daily boron can be added for more free e
fenugreek can be added for better usage of GH via oral e
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>>21561033
One more noteworthy herb I forgot of is spearmint. Ideally consumed as spear mint tea!
It acts as a weaker anti androgen, but it's going to be incredibly diuretic to have good results, so it might be better to keep to actual HRT that does the job properly than herbs that half asses the job and makes your skin dry out.
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where to get estradiol gel?
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Otokonoko is finally back after Lilian's mental breakdown. She has vials in stock now.
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>>21562110
Hrt.cafe has sections for it
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>>21561908
Thanks for the response!
I'll start changing my routine to add in some sub e
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>>21562351
From my personal experiences when I was in my early days of HRT, I would say there's a lot of confirmation to her theories

I was on oral e only for about 2-3ish years and the regular near constant boob hurt quit at about my third month and it slowly became more and more irregular over the following years and it felt like when it did happen, nothing changed for size.
Whenever I fucked up my dosing schedule and missed a day, even without doubling up, it lead to return of the boobhurt. (upregulation or re-sensitization)
I was moved to patches, but I had a large supply of my oral estrogen left. Doing patches only would make me stall out, but cycling oral estrogen on and off would make be get more regular growth.

So it seems pretty sound to me!
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Getting my first blood test done before I start HRT. I was told to fast which I wasn't aware of.

Is it okay to be using nicotine patches on the day I'm fasting? I'm quitting nicotine and I kinda need it.
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Currently on 200mg spiro + 10mg EV/7days injections, is this a good enough dose to sufficiently suppress T?
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So it is currently 28 degrees Celsius in my room. Is there a chance my injections can go off ? Lena juice btw
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>>21563767
Spiro sounds on the high side for that kind of EV dose since that can be monotherapy for most people afaik.
So yeah you should be fine.
>>21564851
I mean it went through an autoclave at 129c, you're fine.
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>>21564950
>I mean it went through an autoclave at 129c, you're fine.
Good to know, was getting worried
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>>21565027
I can imagine that when it comes to long term storage, higher temperatures are not ideal. But you're not having this heat at all time & you should have used up your vial way before it'd cause a negative effect anyway.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TransBreastTimelines/comments/ontyva/14_months_monotherapy_first_post/
>no AA, no cycling
>just mono pills consistently for 14 months
>still mogs 99% of /tttt/
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>>21538782
is there a noticeable difference in mood/feminization when you increase your dosage from 2mg E to 4mg E? or is it about the same?
just curious as I'm increasing my dosage soon.
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>>21565415
It depends too much between people and other factors you didn't mention.
I'd say generally yes for both, anyway.
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>>21565477
>It depends too much
It varies* and then depends on other factors you didn't mention, whoops.
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How bad would it be to do HRT without doing blood tests
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>>21565619
you should at least do a blood test at 3 months or so to see how its going and to up dose
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Is 27 too late to be starting mtf HRT? I've been trying to get on it sooner rather than later.
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>>21560208
https://transfemscience.org/articles/e2-equivalent-doses/

https://transfemscience.org/misc/injectable-e2-simulator/?e=all
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>>21560496
>21560496
https://www.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/comments/lier50/dr_kristen_vierregger_md_my_experienceopinion/
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How long would be like I donno long enough on bica 50mg monotherapy to like know or tell it it's right for you? I get this is a kinda opinionated question but how long would y'all say is too long or too soon to go all in. Just kinda scared is all
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I just started injectiong after being on pills for 6 years, and i'm scared. Where is the best injection site? From what I see it's away from, and slighty above the buttcrack right? Is there a lot of room for error? Also I see different things, do I pinch the skin or spread it? I'm thinking spread so it get's inside the muscle easier right?
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>>21567046
Ventrogluteal has the benefits of stable levels that dorsogluteal has, while being away from nerves. Dorsogluteal runs the risk of hitting the sciatic nerve, ventrogluteal doesn't
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https://getplume.co/ Anyone have experience with these guys? Are they legit? 100$ a month(not including cost of meds) with all bloodtests/checkups paid for sounds almost too good to be true, especially since I don't have health insurance and normally visits to these places would be expensive as hell if I tried doing them normally.
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>>21559585
Not a meme. The reality is hormones are slowwwww. Years. Like think over 10 years. Most trannies don’t even think that far out. Do girls turn to women in 6 months? 1 year? See how dumb that logic is? Most of the changes happen within the first 3 years, then get refined over a lifetime. Think long term always
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>>21559585
>I don't really care about boob size as much as overall fat redistribution esp. in the face and butt/thighs

Also, this is my goal as well. Boobs grow over times you get coneitis and tube boobs trying to grow them too fast imo
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>>21560198
>If you get linear gains
Highly doubt they would. Enzymes follow michales-mentin kinetics, no?
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>>21567079
ventro is more like on your hip right?
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>>21566015
would you rather start at 27 or 37?
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>>21567554
soonest possible, I'm 27 right now.
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>>21567562
Go for it, i bit the bullet at 27 and i'm surprised at how well it's going. Of course this depends on how badly puberty hit you. For me i just have to get rid of some facial hair but that's it
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does "use it or lose it" still apply when you're doing both mono injections + AA , completely suppressing T
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>>21567638
I'm fairly fine with some of my basics(Facial structure and the like.), main problems I have are hair everywhere(constantly wax and epilate it.) and hate my bodyfat distribution(wish I had more in my hips/rear, wouldn't mind breasts either but I'm not picky if they don't end up big, just anything that helps me from looking that masculine.)
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>>21567673
i you have dysphoria go for it, even the slightest changes are worth it in that regard, my breasts grew quite quickly for instance.
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>>21567656
yes, also injections and AA here and it still works fairly well. Haven't had much athrophy at all ater six months of cypro
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>>21538782
does anyone have experience ordering from alldaychemist? is it any good? what is the packaging like?
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>>21566967
50mg probably aren't even enough to fully block T, you'll effectively just have low levels. Your call, if you're healthy without some pre condition a couple months bica monotherapy are fine. Whether it will help you mentally or just make you tired and low energy no idea.
I started taking E "as an experiment" and it finally got me to stop repressing.
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So I've been on 6.25mg cypro and 4mg (oral/SL) E for 9 months now. For the past couple weeks I've sometimes felt cold and wet around the nipples, and going shirtless I finally caught my tits red handed and I found a small white spot of liquid coming out of one. This has happened several times since on both sides, pretty sure daily. Tried squeezing them around a bit today and that didn't make any more come out.
Is this normal in any way, or would it be proof I'm starting to have issues with my prolactin levels? My cypro dose has been really minimal, but effective at minimizing my T. Can't get a bloodtest yet for the next 3 months. What's the worst that could happen?
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>boob growth cream on inhouse
meme or
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>>21568846
Out of curiosity, what were your levels from your last bloodtest?
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>>21567236
Hmm, it was looking at it optimistically for sure. I saw doubled levels adding a second 75uq patch myself, but I did move site from stomach to butt as well.
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>>21566967
i was on e monotherapy for a month or two before my bica came in the mail, never really felt much mono but i noticed significant positive mental changes within a few days of starting the bica.
aa mono isn't recommended tho, your body needs hormones to function properly anon
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>>21568914
I'm dyi and I haven't been able to test my E or my prolactin, only T which was 25ng/dl. They're only just now starting to offer other choices for amab individuals, thus my estimate for 3 months.
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>>21566967
Like the other Anon said, 50mg bica for fully unsuppressed testosterone is not going to get rid of all of it. This does mean that this is not really that dangerous for stuff like bone health since you are not nuking your testosterone and going "menopausal".
However it likely will clue you in if you find these effects desirable. You'll see androgynization, but not so much feminization. One of the first effects would likely be less "guy" smell and softer skin.
I would introduce estrogen at a smaller dosage on top if you aren't against some breast bud formation. Just the presence of estrogen alone can do wonders to your mental state as well, but this varies WAY too much between people.
Early breast development(1y, past that depends on how much you got) is easy to get rid of if you find out that you are absolutely not trans. Testosterone is the killer for it so it doesn't take much to go away.

>>21568895
I tried to look for what you are talking about, but I couldn't find it. What's the product name?

>>21559585
So long your testosterone and especially DHT is suppressed, theoretically fat distribution is best at 50-200pg/mL E. Higher E1 does enable higher e2 as it's to do with how ERα that manages those Leptin levels if I understood things right.
https://pastebin.com/BxcEnDR7 I had to put the 2 relevant studies in a pastebin since it think's it is spam otherwise..

I think you could speed up face feminization by adding estrogen & progesterone gel to face once in a while. Some of Powers' patients do that so I'd look into that.

Also regards to slow start dosing, good info here: >>21561908 as it's not all oral, you do add a little with sub and that should put your average e2 in a possibly better place for feminization.
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>>21569059
I had it mixed up with something else, I meant the facial hair removal cream
>eflora cream
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>>21568846
Sounds like lactation to me, but it might not stick around long term. I had the same thing in my first year but it quit despite being on a higher dose of cypro. Blood tests later on had my prl levels be very tiny.
I would continue as you are till your next blood test and then you'll have answers.
Prolactin is synergistic for breast development, but some studies would imply that there's a certain point it can be detrimental as well. But then there's a lot contradicting that again.
My personal experience and observed anecdotal experiences would say that it shouldn't do any harm so long it doesn't persist forever. One friend out of many has had the issue of lactation likely stalling her in progress, but the others has had rather impressive growth.
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>>21569077
>eflora cream
It blocks an enzyme so growth does not occur, but it's not permanent. I doubt it would have any unique interaction from us going from t based growth to t being gone like we see on laser treatment being closer to permanent for us.
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>>21569214
I've only recently had a growth spurt after several months of not much happening around my chest region. I was messing with my dosages, for a period trying out purely oral E as well. I'm happy something's happening, but not really with the chance I might start to actually lactate like this.
Any idea if I should try to reduce my prolactin levels by stopping cypro and momentarily lowering my dose of E just in case?
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>>21569544
Does lactating itself just bother you? Anyway you'd probably have to switch your AA to Bica or something if Cypro is the cause. Not sure if lowering your E is going to help.

>I was messing with my dosages, for a period trying out purely oral E as well
You should see thing here, what you were doing was pretty logical actually. >>21561908
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I wish there were pills I could take that would make me androgynous; not give me tits, not kill my dick, but feminize me in other ways. Born too soon for that I suppose. Ah well.
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>>21570109
What bothers me is what starting to lactate (especially this "early") could speak of. Sadly it wouldn't be easy for me to switch to Bica right now. Definitely considering it.
That's an interesting post, might explain some things.
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>>21571037
So long it doesn't cause any problems in your day to day life, it's not something I would worry about too much even if it's an early thing. Like it's a benign thing after all.
If you realize let's say 6 months on from now that you've made zero progress, then I'd do something about it.
There is also a medicine that can be used to deal with stuff like this, bromocriptine which is a prolactin antagonist. I read of an anon saying they had some growth from starting it. It's pretty affordable from otc-online-store.

I have a theory where essentially you can grow both during lactation and without lactation, but both can have a point where you reach a peak of growth and then it slows down. "Boobmax" theory is that you would be alternating it in cycles spanning months each.
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>>21569059
>>21568940
>>21568281

It should be safe generally tho it may be a waste of meds to try bica for a month or two before introducing E right? In a sense to get a general feeling
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8 days of daily estrofem 2 mg. My body no longer aches, my emotions are more stable. What's wrong??
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>>21571343
If I was in those shoes I'd just order a small supply of e alongside bica, enough to last like 3 months. So if you go like 1-2 months into it, you still have time to reorder and not quit.
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>>21571429
Got bica on hand right and a bit less than 2 months of estrofem coming in the next week or so :)
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Hello I have several questions about the most effective way to go about hrt consumption with pills. Currently I am taking estradiol and spironolactone in the morning and evening. I was wondering if it would be more effective to split up the dosing to half the dose 4 times a day instead of twice? I also heard something about taking them sublingually, how much more effective would that be? Also my friend gave me finasteride about a year ago, would it be helpful to take it on top of everything else or should I not do that?
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Could someone write up a quick guide on how to pay with bitcoin or whichever it is for Aphrodites?
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>>21571230
God I sure hope I'll be fine, then. It's been getting "worse", even right now I'm seeing moisture. Just scary
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>>21573004
More even dosing for estrogen is good, but 4 times isn't going to align unless you sleep 6 hours.. Popular is to spread it out at morning, mid day and before bed, so 8 hours apart each time. It's fine to keep your spiro to morning and evening.

So swallowing a pill leads to it being metabolized from e2(estradiol) into a lot of e1(estrone). Sublingual is significantly better for e2 specifically as it bypasses digestion, however e1 is very important for early development. The ideal way to go is to do a mix of both when you are in the early stages or even find yourself stalling out on breast development. I've linked to this post a few times already, but you should look at it too. >>21561908 second part of the post + pic
Basically your hormone receptors behave the most nicely if there is not perfect regularity as if it's all the same all the time, they can become "less sensitive"(downregulation) or desensitize.
Buccal is an alternative to sublingual, this is where you leave the pill(or pill you crushed) between your lips and gums. You tend to get more "perfect" intake this way as it's easier to swallow sublingual by accident.

Finasteride is mainly something you take when you have male pattern hairloss problems. Finasteride(And dutasteride) blocks the conversion of testosterone(and more) into dihydroxytestosterone(DHT). DHT is what is behind stuff like male pattern baldness, body hair and facial hair.(and more)
Most people will not have any detrimental amount of DHT so long their testosterone is kept low. Signs of high DHT is when things like body hair isn't thinning out as it should, or you are still losing head hair.(Though this can be stress related, among many other things.)
You can get your blood tested for DHT.
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I'm getting major skin sagging around my jowls due to hondosing, feels like my skin's aged 10 years in the last 1. If I up my estrogen dose DIY, will the skin firm back up eventually or is it fucked for good?
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What do you guys do for insomnia. I fucking hate this!!!
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>>21568217
Ordered from them for the first time a month ago. Took a while to get here hit everything working fine.

Don’t be spooked when then call you. They are just verifying you ordered.
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>>21574810
>What do you guys do for insomnia. I fucking hate this!!!
Get Professional help, see a sleep therapist, etc.
Avoid naps. The longer you've been awake for the easier it will be to fall asleep.
If you get up at 5AM and go to sleep at 10PM you'll most likely at least sleep better.
If you're able to get by on 4hrs of sleep then just consider that a super power.

My problem is the opposite. I have narolepsy/ excessive daytime sleepiness and even 12 hours of sleep at night and with a 3 hour nap I'm still tired during the day. Been trying Modafinil recently and seems to help a lot. I take modafinil at 7am when I wake up and it keeps me going so I fall asleep easily at 11.
Anyways yea, see a Sleep Doc or get a referral for one if you can afford it. It is pretty pricey/ a mini-surgery as the sleep studies cost over $1000. Could be important for long-term health though and insurance may cover it.

Any other trans people with Non-24 hour sleep disorder?
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>>21538782
will i be able to pass or look like a cis woman if i started puberty blockers with 15 1/2?
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>>21576188
Very good chance, people are passing after transitioning at 60+ but, the younger you start the better the odds.
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Is monotherapy with Progynova possible? How much would I have to take?
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>>21576237
yea i got a fucked up skeleton tho. shoe size 45 and 1,78 height
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>>21576449
>Is monotherapy with Progynova possible?
Yes
> How much would I have to take?
Sublingual, 2mg 3x a day
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Looks like diytrans wiki is down again
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>>21576451
Yeah, not much you can do about that, drop a shoe size or 2 is not impossible, and some height but obviously not a lot, I wouldn't worry about your height however.
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>>21576550
Looking at all things and averages im just way to masculine to pass, including the height and shoe sizes. So my age is just irrelevant cause I fucked up.
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>>21576455
This is not going to work for majority of people and progynova is difficult to do a perfect sublingual with ontop of that.
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>>21576678
I'm sorry to hear that, if nothing else if you do decide to try out HRT you might be helped purely by the mental effects it has.
Best wishes anon :)
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>>21576761
Im on hrt since like 2 months, pain and suffering.
Thanks tho
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>>21576761
And im only taking 1mg of estradiol valerate so ye changes are not there/extremely slow
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>>21577020
You doing DIY or via doctor,?
I'd go to 2mg + 50mg bica if you're diy for the first 3 months. >>21561908 Has a good schedule.
1mg on its own is unfortunately just wasting time. It won't really produce beneficial mental effects either from what I know.
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>>21577078
Im doing this via a doctor and I forgot to mention that I take Leuprorelin acetate in enough doses? I get injections once every 3 months and my T levels are on like 0,21μ.The doctor wants to increase doses in like a month.
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>>21577297
*Doses for Estradiol
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>>21577297
If you're on Lupron you don't need to worry about T levels at all, basically the best suppressor you can get.
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>>21577329
Oh yea I got bloodwork done before I started E and T is just not there. I have immense trouble comparing my progress now to that of other trans ppl on 2 months / 3 months. Also the whole bone stuff is kinda permanent so passing seems impossible and looking like a dude at the moment kills my brain.
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>>21577374
I've just started myself. It's hard to see where I might end up but I also know that you can't really see results until 3-6 months in.
Keep pictures so you're not misled by the small daily changes.
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>>21577539
Yea its just waiting rn and it just sucks walking around like this, but what can you do,
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How do you purchase DIY in Norway? Can anyone help me? Everything I'm buying is getting seized and I'm feeling this is the end
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>>21576693
How bout Estrofem, is 6mg enough?
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>>21576769
the first couple of years are up and down emotionally, any benefit is after that imo
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>>21577654
iirc chinese raws but don't quote me on it, wait for other responses
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>>21578046
yea my emotional state is just heavily connected to my appereance and how others see me. talking in years sucks, dont want to go into kryo sleep for years only to have a normal life.
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>>21575614

okay anon thank you for that. Sleep doc not an option right now but I'll try waking up early and sleeping by 10 PM. I've been taking short naps after lunch time so I'll see if changing that will make things better.
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>>21575614
I'm not diagnosed but have been having issues with delayed sleep phase all my life, about to be 5am here. Pretty early to go to sleep but I think I might today.
Made do with ~3 hours a night during all of high school and like 30 minutes during the bus there and back home.
Now It's the opposite and getting up before 9+ hours is a struggle.
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>>21578624
>I'm not diagnosed but have been having issues with delayed sleep phase all my life, about to be 5am here. Pretty early to go to sleep but I think I might today.
>Made do with ~3 hours a night during all of high school and like 30 minutes during the bus there and back home.
>Now It's the opposite and getting up before 9+ hours is a struggle.
I hear you. Really sucks. I'd say try self-medding with modafinil (usually about $100 for 3 months worth from the Indian sites) and get a sleep study if you can. (You take a half dose of it/100mg 2 days on, 1 day off so 30pills lasts about 3 months)

Try getting a sleep study if you can though, will save money in the long run and get you a better version of it.
I'm someone who has A LOT of trouble getting up in the morning but when I take Moda, I just wake up. So it allows me to stay on schedule by controlling the "Wake Up" part rather than the "When to sleep" part. I feel better on 6 hours of sleep and moda than I do on 11 hours of sleep and no moda.
Adderall also may help if it's easier for you to get ahold of.
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>>21578053
Raws are often seized ime.

>>21577654
Where are you ordering from?
I have a good success rate with shape shifter.
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>>21578665
>Adderall also may help if it's easier for you to get ahold of.
Was on it being treated for ADD, caused too much anxiety so I had to stop.
At one point I was "waking up", taking the meds, and going back to sleep for the 9hrs even while on it.
> I'd say try self-medding with modafinil (usually about $100 for 3 months worth from the Indian sites)
Not in the US, my country customs seizes everything not from within EU.
I'll research if there's an alternative.
>get a sleep study if you can
Yeah, I'll maybe try at some point past covid.
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>>21578703
I hear you it sucks.
Only other thing I'll add that might help is:
Try to live in a room with a decent sized window and put down the curtains if you can so when the sun goes up in the morning you have a BRIGHT light (i.e. the sun) shining on you. Should help your circadian rythm at least a bit. Though I did this and still had issues. And being in Europe it might be tough for you cause the sun is weird there/ Europe is very cloudy compared to the US
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>>21578731
Sun already went up 2 hours ago, so yeah.
I am considering making a DIY seasonal affective disorder LED lamp that can ramp up to help me wake. Artificial sun if you will.
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>>21577738
Reread the post, 6mg is not guaranteed to work for everyone, but you are free to try. It depends too much on how your body responds to it and how much t you naturally have.
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>>21538782
is going straight into injection monotherapy a bad idea? i dont really care too much about booba but i dont want conetits
if it's ok to do then what would you recommend for this between cyprionate, valerate, and enanthate?
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>>21579086
Injection mono therapy is probably fine to start just don’t aim for a super high dose. Do like the bare minimum for mono therapy (300pg/mL)
As for type, I like enathate cause it’s easiest/need to inject less frequently.
If you want good results, as long as your levels are somewhat decent imo it’s mostly about weight cycling

All that said, high dose injections (levels around 1000pg/mL) do seem to limit boob growth
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>>21558126
Use a short link
tinyurl com/ hrtgen

Also you can get a button made at some print shops or buy a name tag holder at an office store
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>chest sore
>5 months
when does it end, they're not big at all just sore if I do so little as lay on them.
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>>21581421
Whenever they decide to end, but the soreness does become less intense eventually. It's still indicative of cell formation & growth, but in the early stages it's basically forming the core support structure everything else later builds around, & that's where size comes in.
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Bump
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Why does it not hurt anymore?
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>shedding hair like crazy
>start taking fin 1mg daily
>2 weeks later, still shedding
i get that im supposed to wait months to see if it worked, but im considering jumping on bica or something because my hair has gotten really bad in just a few months. also im not 100% committed to transitioning yet, still questioning. is bica mono a meme because it feels like i cant find people really doing it?
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Newfag question. How long do I try this before i start to see/feel the effects and decide whether to keep going?
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>>21584582
Most people are already sure they're trans when they start. As for what effects come when and in which order, that's pretty much 100% individualistic.
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>>21584722
I know I've got something wrong with me I just don't know if I'm trans, NB, or AGP.
I just feel pretty dissociated from my own appearance and hate going outside and people seeing this thing I walk around as
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>>21584722
>>21584756
I'm on HRT for 3 weeks, still not sure but w/e, kinda enjoying the effects of e and not feeling dysphoric about getting a more feminine appearance.
Will see where I end up.
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My biggest problem is my face. Does HRT do much to help with that or should I not bother?
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question about dosage since you people probably got lots of experience with anti adrogens
im bothered by a receding hairline and anger issues etc
typical high t stuff basically
im gonna use finasteride but as I was told that stuff doesn't always work
im not a transgender but i don't really mind being a bit androgynous
so what would happen if I was to use 12.5 mg cyproteronacetat daily
would it fuck up my bones?
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>>21584884
>Does HRT do much to help with that
Yes.
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>>21584898
If caused by DHT, which is usually the case, taking Finasteride/Dutasteride will help you with that. Might also help with anger issues but that's not for certain.

>mono cyprotherone therapy
12.5mg cypro won't completely block your T (the E does a lot of the work on actual HRT), you'll just lower it which might or might not help. Completely blocking T without taking E is a bad idea if it's a longer time than like half a year, you do need sex hormones for pysical and psychological health.
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>>21585299
Talking about receding hairline or MBP in the first paragraph.
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>>21585299
meh guess I will just use 6,25 mg in combination with finasteride then cause even blocking t to like 90% or whatever seems too much
ty for the help
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Hey, I'm scared I might be getting the blood clot in my leg thing that apparently can happen if you do feminizing hormones... My calf has been feeling a bit odd and I was looking at it in the mirror and the it seems a bit bigger than the other one. It been bothering me for like a week now... Has anyone ever experienced Deep Vein Thrombosis here and how did you handle it? I want to get treated or at least confirm that I have it or not, but I just don't want my doctor to stop prescribing me my hormones, I can't go back to what it was like before :(

27 years old 1 year on hormones currently injecting 5mg depo estradiol/2wk (I'm hoping to get this upped to 10mg at my next appointment because my E levels are low)
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>>21538782
Does anyone have a list of payment methods that Lena takes? Or at least does anyone know if she takes paypal?
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>>21585588
I had a pulmonary embolism and that's kind of what happened. My calf just felt stiff, like it does when I've been working out. I didn't think it was out of the ordinary and I only noticed something was wrong once it had travelled to my lung
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>>21586130
She only accepts bitcoin right now.
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>>21585588
Your intake method of estrogen does not carry risk of blood clots. Only oral or birth control does. Either way you can counteract this with taking Aspirin at a low dose.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1538-7836.2010.03953.x

2 weeks is way too far apart for your dosage, your doc is having you ride out 10 days with levels that might as well have been nothing. You are not a cis woman with a baseline amount of e level that keep you healthy.
People inject 5mg every 5 days for good results. Going to 10 every 20 days is not going to make it much better.
When you just raise the dosage you just give yourself a bigger spike for a slightly better levels at through, this is stupid. Your doctor is stupid.
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>>21580328
A short link to what though? hrtgen isn't one webpage, it's a continually (and sporadically) replaced general-thread
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>>21586798
At least try going to it. It searches the catalog for hrtgen.

I'd really rather you didn't do all the stuff you're doing.
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>>21586904
>At least try going to it.
You're asking too much
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>>21586245
please don't tell me this is true
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No matter how much hrt you take, you will never pass
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>>21588370
i know
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>>21588359
I bought my EEn 2 weeks ago and asked for bank transfer since hrt.cafe shows she accepts it but she said she got too many transfers for a private account so it's only bitcoin now. It's ~20-25% fees.

>>21588370
I already do senpai <3
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>>21588554
Shit, I have never dabbled with digital currencies before.

Suppose she will be able to get bank/card payments going again soon?
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>>21588657
I doubt it. I have never payed with crypto before either but it's fairly easy, if you email her she'll give you a detailled guide.
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I take 1 mg E 2 time sublingual
once 12 pm once 6 pm
also i take cypro 12.5 mg at midnight

is there anything i can do with my timings to make feminization better or am i just over thinking?
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Do I really need blood tests if I am mono E Velerate injections?
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>>21588881
>2 time
Do it 12h apart.
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>>21589916
Oki anon
will try that out
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I have a question for people who have been on two or more forms of hrt. I switched from gels to injections after 4 months and have been on injections for 9 weeks now and I feel as if the two application methods provide feminasation in different ways. On gels I felt as if my face was feminising much much better and fat distribution seemed to be going much better. Whereas now I'm on injections my skin has gotten much smoother, way more than on gels. Boobs finally started to grow on injections but I feel as if my fat distribution has stagnated, and so has my facial feminisation. Was any one in the same boat? Is it a matter of letting the een build up? Please help
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Where should I order E from if i live in Canada. I was gonna go with otokono but apparently that distributor is ruined for canadians now >.<
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>>21588718
aight, thanks!
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I got mine from Amazon4health and shapeshifter
Both worked well
ask any questions if u have owo
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>>21590644
For Canada
I forgot to say
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Why does progesterone make me insanely horny and boycrazy?
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>>21551753
I didn’t get breast growth and I’m an ectomorph
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>>21590836
I didn't know there was a name for this
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>>21590282
If you had lower levels from gel, it's because you get the most leptin from the sweetspot of 50-200pg/ml e. Leptin is what gives you fem distribution. Also worth noting that DHT is a killer for fem distribution, even if it's bound by SHBG and not causing i.e. thicker body hair.
So you get best fem distribution from lower average levels, however you need higher e levels at the beginning to speed up the process for your body in general to adapt to estrogen and thus be more able have fem distribution to begin with.

You can try to do longer gaps between each time you inject to get best of both worlds maybe? Also I'd add in some oral on and off there if you can.

>>21556815
Sorry for seeing this post late.
E1 is important for early breast development, e2 is important for reducing your testosterone and accelerating feminization to happen sooner. You get e1 from swallowing pills, while sublingual/buccal bypasses the digestion/liver and thus gives you straight e2. >>21561908 Best is to combine them for e1 dominance, but with e2 spikes to avoid desensitization against e1. e2 spikes help keep T down.

>>21589248
Well you don't have to worry about liver or blood clotting risks, however you will not really know what kind of levels you are exactly having, if you have DHT possibly ruining things or not for example, etc but if you see body hair thinning out, male reproductive function shutting down then you're likely ok.

>>21590667
Fairly common from people beginning prog, but it tends to calm down over time. I got no extra libido from prog myself.
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is buccal administration a meme? i switched from 4mg progynova taken orally to 6mg zumenon taken bucally and now my nipples are a lot less erogenous and more painful.
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>>21592105
You get WAY higher e2, which also brings down T which means E in general is more effective. You get almost no e1 though.
It's pretty normal for swapping intake method to cause boobhurt as you were probably desensitized to your past intake method. Varied intake methods is the optimal way.
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>>21591636
>You can try to do longer gaps between each time you inject to get best of both worlds maybe? Also I'd add in some oral on and off there if you can.
I'm on 11mg een weekly. And my e level on trough is 1200 pmol/l. Would lowering my dose increase feminasation? Or would perhaps getting a dht blocker be better since I'm on mono therapy
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>>21592198
Ah, I was just pointing out DHT was unsynergistic to fem distribution, not that you likely have issues with it. If you had DHT issues you would have encountered them on gel!

Anyway your through is 326pg/mL when I convert it. EEn has a very long half life.

Maybe either lower dose or do a longer delay between dose, it's up to you.
I've personally been wanting to try EEn on a 28 day schedule where day 21 to 30 has oral e at 4-6mg. Day 1 to 7 has 2mg oral e + mentioned injection, day 7 to 21 has prog. Basically boobmax optimizing while getting good feminization levels. Adding some extra synergistic supplements to this whole thing too.

Pic rel should help you understand what kind of curve EEn gives. The "spikes" can be due to testing variance/error, but it's accurate enough to understand how it looks.
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>>21592384
>synergistic supplements to this whole thing too.
What kind of supplements ? I only take vitamin a , magnesium and probiotics but that's due to non hrt issues
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>>21592547
Fenugreek(stimulates genes involved with milk synthesis/flow via insulin/gh&igf), red clover(helps with growth factors), aminoacids(there's whole bunch of them that would assist, but pic rel is an example you can buy as a duo for cheap) that help with hgh release.
It's all based on studies looking into this stuff.
I'd consider DHEA(you must have suppressed t for this) too somewhere, but it's banned in my country and apparently a 80 year old lady faced some giant fines importing some.
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recently switched to sublingual, these were my labs taken ~4 hours after I had taken my dose. I do 4mg daily split between morning and evening. Does this look like a good number? ~3.5 months into hrt
thank you in advance
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>>21592926
Looks low for hour 4. Are you swallowing a lot of it? If you have difficulties doing a perfect sublingual you can try buccal(between lip and gums) and or crushing it.
You are very early in however, so it's still preferred you have e1 dominance by swallowing a majority of it if you care about breast development. The e2 spikes on each dosage assist in synergizing with what ends up being taken oral due to receptor up and down regulation, plus it helps with feminization & keeping T down, best of both worlds in a way.

Anyway you are meant to be ideally tested at through(so if you do 2 times a day, that would be at hour 12) as that's the only number that means anything. You can see an example of what blood levels can look like here for oral vs sub, but it's for smaller dosages. >>21573994
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>>21593118
thank you for the advice. my breasts seem to be coming in somewhat, feeling less like moobs and more like actual tiny a cups right now. sounds like i should sort of keep doing what i'm doing for the time being, but then maybe at month 6ish really crush it first?
i get a lot of radio silence from my prescriber, so thank you for your input & knowledge
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>>21593487
That sounds like a plan to me. Strangely enough "inconsistent" dosing is often the most consistent for breast development since having a constant of only one intake method can lead to stalling out for most, while a balanced or literally just inconsistent(because receptors upregulate when levels go lower for a while) approach doesn't.

What is most important however is that your T & DHT is suppressed when it comes to feminization.
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>>21593620
That's really interesting! I guess I'll keep being shitty at sort-of not swallowing it for the time being lol. My T is fucking nuked just from 12.5mg of cypro daily, no worries there. like 15 ng/dl or whatever the unit of measurement is.
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>>21593758
You can try to do a mix too, i.e. pure oral morning, small perfect buccal mid day, pure oral night, each 8 hour apart. As seen here >>21561908
A lot of doctors haven't really looked into how stuff works on a receptor level, like some more pioneering might find out that hey adding an occasional oral dose alongside injections makes boobies grow again, but there isn't much understanding in why.

Also this stuff does depend a lot on your priorities, if you aren't too crazy about maxing breast gains and want full body feminization sooner then you'd prefer doing sub/buccal over oral.
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>>21538782
sucks that prog can't be esterified
if there was such a thing as prog undecanoate i'd be all over that shit
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is it safe to drink alcohol on hrt?
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>>21594813
no you will get more drunk!!

It's mostly a concern if you're on a higher dose AA. Just don't binge drink and don't drink too often.
If you are already at somewhat risk with liver issues from drinking, then don't combine drinking with anti androgens.
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this isnt exactly a question thats only about hrt, but what size po box do i need for hrt packages? and how do i actually use a po box?
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>>21594290
honestly i think i'm going to get max boobage regardless - my mom has some big double D tiddies no matter how much weight she tries to lose. rapid feminization is more of a priority to me desu, i started at 29 and i'm kind of anxious to get the ball rolling. luckily i already had some pretty fem-looking eyes & nose, etc. - ffs is still definitely on the table but i think have a decent foundation in some aspects.
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>>21595036
the size of a PO box doesn't matter, if it doesn't fit they will put your package in a locker :) get the smallest option you can
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>>21586904
It's my mistake, when you posted the tinyurl I thought it was just an example you were giving which is why I didn't try it, I didn't realise someone actually made a short URL to the catalogue search already, thanks for letting me know

I know what I'm doing has cons as well as pros, but you've got to understand I've also asked other trans communities including IRL and my more normie IRL trans friends especially are really pro- me doing this sort of thing, so it's hard for me to write off the whole thing purely on the basis of what the 4chan lot say - but I recognise the risks which is why I have asked & taken on board what changes to the wording were suggested here

Fear & lack of information are what stopped me from being able to start blockers when I was 13-14 & first started getting bad physical dysphoria, and it wrecked me as a person. I cannot let what happened to my life happen to anyone else where it is preventable, especially not as a result of being cowed into submission by the terfs.
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Hello! I am 17 and I'm planning on starting diy hrt soon.

I read up a bit and I think i want to go with EV+cypro. From what I've seen 12.5mg cypro every two days works well but I'm not sure about the EV dosages. I'm planning to get the EV from lena.

Could I get some advice? Thank you!
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>think I'm doing okay with E mono injections and prog
>stop taking my cypro
>arms and hands are now very vascular after 3 weeks
WHOOPS guess T ain't nuked yet
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>>21595933
High E2 + Prog are very very good at suppressing T, very much comparable to cypro.
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So I've been doing subq injections in the same buttock for the past 2 months. Does it matter if I switch injection site to the other buttock? As I'm starting to notice I get more errections.
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If I can't get blood tests how much bica do I take?
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>>21599475
What's your e dosage
Prog?
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should i switch from thigh to butt for my injections? been doing leg for 18 months but i hear butt can slower the intake. i do every 5 days and i can kinda feel it near the end of the cycle it hink
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>>21594323
Medroxyprogesterone, no?



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