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>Be femboy with vanity pill habit
>like cypro because it’s cheap and nukes T without need for any estrogen
>Get brain prolactinoma, complications and spend two years being sick
>Get better apart from lingering synesthesia and try cypro again
>prolactinoma symptoms resume within weeks
Game over.

Why am I the only one who gets a tumor from cypro?

I’m thinking I might need to cut my balls off to spare my health. I hope that doesn’t disgust guys.
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Been taking cypro for 2 years and I'm fine anon. Maybe you just arent trying hard enough?
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>>20964827
> Maybe you just arent trying hard enough?
Literally what does that mean? Can you will a brain tumor into going away?
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My head is throbbing and the stupid symptoms have come back
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>>20964734
>cypro is the only AA
Why are you so retarded?
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>>20965033
Because spiro turns you into a dried up mummy, bica is expensive and needs estrogen to knock down testosterone, and GNRH are unaffordable

If you can donate some GNRH, great, otherwise what can I do?
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>>20965011
I'm on cypro and have major chronic headaches had an mri done and it was mostly clean.
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>>20964734
>AA monotherapy
You nighas do it to yourselves
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>>20965092
If you notice lactation drop it

It means your prolactin levels have become toxic
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>>20964734
take bica. cypro is shit. it is also progestin. increased prolactin to retard levels not only can give prolactinoma but kills libido and genitals too. its way too strong it decreases androgenic activity below cisfem levels and you need some. people have reported increased body hair after getting orchie and stoping cypro rebound effect.
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>>20965082
it blocks androgenic effect so circulating t is just anabolic. grows booba too a bit cause androgen receptors activation blocks breast growth from circulating estrogen.
>>20965118
bica mono is perfectly safe. some people want to avoid boobs you know. bica is not like eunuchization at all. cypro nukes t levels so there is also no e bica leaves e levels intact so it is okay.
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>>20965257
>kills libido and genitals too. its way too strong it decreases androgenic activity below cisfem levels
I kinda enjoy that state
>>20965295
>it blocks androgenic effect
What is It?
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>>20964734
What was your dosage?
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>>20965385
First time: 50-25mg a day

Second time: 25mg every other day

I thought a low dose wouldn’t get me sick
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>>20965361
Male sex hormones have two effects, anabolic and androgenic, anabolic helps you with the muscle growth and recovery, androgenic makes you look like a man. The former is desired even by women, hence anavar abuse, the latter is something you absolutely don't want as a tranny/femboy.
Why do you not know such basic things? You're diying, you got a tumour, yet instead of digging a bit deeper, you literally chose to do the same shit all over again. Jesus, and they say gays have higher IQ than straights.
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>>20965440
>digging a bit deeper
I don’t want to rely on expensive anti androgens or high doses of estrogen to shield me from androgens
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>>20965361
>What is It?
look up androgenic to anabolic ratio. basically muscle growth is not dependent on androgen receptor. androgen receptor grows skull body facial hair ribcage and prostate. this is also why varbies take anvar and not t. anvar is almost purely anabolic. opposite would be dht which gets degraded in muscles and is strongly virilizing. by switching to bica you will gain little bit of muscle but your e will increase so mood will be better.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17391861/
estrogen oncreases endocannabinoids in brain which has weedlike effect making women more emotional and less emotionally flat. depression in low t men is just effect of low e that comes with it.
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Screw it, I’m just getting rid of balls. I hope it doesn’t gross guys out.
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>>20965483
>look up androgenic to anabolic ratio
Are you talking about what bica does?

And how much is adequate? 25mg a day?

And how can you tell on a hormone test if bica is working?
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>>20965483
Bruh, you're wasting your time. Just let him cut his balls, it's a lost cause.
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>>20965619
>it's a lost cause
Literally what cause? You all just keep talking nonsense.
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It's kind of terrifying desu
I started on 25 mg a day for a year and I'm so glad I didn't get it, am on 12.5 mg every 2nd day now and even that worries me
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My endo wants to put me on 50mg to start and then move me down to 25
Think I'm just gonna start on 12.5 though instead fuck him lol
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>>20965750
yeah, best to stick for low doses, and only for a limited period too.
https://transfemscience.org/articles/cpa-meningioma/
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>>20965801
I'm probably having SRS in the next 2 years so I wouldn't be on it for too long
That does sound kinda terrifying though
Maybe I should just ignore his prescription entirely and continue to do mono E diy injections lmao
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>>20965874
>>20965750
>>20965646
I still think it’s good to have something screening from T.

You should be safe with low doses. Just abort if you notice lactation, headaches, tachycardia, auras and visual disturbances
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>>20965874
bica + e, e monotherapy, or injections + prog are the best routes for safety imo
since you're on low dose though you should be fine, bcs most cases are with the giant 50mg doses; tho, some happen w/low dose, but it's generally with like 10+yrs of continuous usage.
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>>20965411
you should be taking 1/3 of that.
also you need sex hormones.
you're a fucking moron.

t. enby male on estrogen injections
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>>20965750
12.5mg doesn't block DHT properly, best stick to what your endo says or lose your hair
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>>20966041
I use 2mg, oral.
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>>20966074
What about bica, worry it wouldn’t block DHT

If cypro nukes T then you do prevent dht
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>>20964734
isn't synesthesia a good side effect, so you can like taste or hear colours?
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>>20966134
bica blocks dht yes at 50mg
cypro wont nuke T at 12.5mg will likely give like 40ng/dL
im about to pass out but anyone on CPA should read this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacology_of_cyproterone_acetate but basically CPA blocks T in two different ways and will only displace DHT at the receptors at high doses
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>>20966194
It is, I can see auras when I’m relaxed and they’re unique to objects and situations... it’s pretty trippy desu. Used to scare me but now I love it.
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>>20966234
I don’t want to take 50mg
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>>20964734
what are the symptoms, how do i know if i have it or not
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>>20966262
Lactation is the most disturbing and unmistakable

Malaise, joint pain, tachycardia, migraines and seizures and visual disturbances are more serious symptoms but they’re less specific
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>>20966291
i started getting headaches when i take cypro so i stopped, but it might have been too late idk, my blood tests say high prolactin
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>>20966254
25 is good just remember cypro should be temporary
t. lost hair bc of this and am still mad

it stopped shedding after dht was blocked
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>>20964912
yea
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>>20966401
How can I have DHT when cypro makes T null?

Is bica really going to be okay? When on it and two to four E I had a T level between 60 and 300 which worried me
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>>20966356
It drops off after a while.

If not they give you dopamine.
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I never heard about cypro doing stuff like that when I took it years ago
I was on it for like 2.5 years and it nuked my t but nobody everrr said anything about brain cancer
Now im scared
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>>20967340
It looks like it only happens to a tiny minority. Maybe I have a mutation or something.
It would have blatantly obvious effects like lactation so you’re fine if you don’t

Also it’s a benign tumor
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>>20967340
It's more likely at higher dosages and with extended amounts of time. Take a low dose and get an orchi if you're scared.
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>>20964734
I'm lactating but my head feels fine :S
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if any1 wants a server for hrt advice and troon related discussions
>https://discord.gg/D2V5rzDA
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>>20968147
You’re about 6 mo from prolactinoma symptoms that will make you feel like you’re dying
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>>20968272
i switched to taking my cypro every other day so i hope that helps...
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>>20966234
cypro will nuke T at 12.5mg, you just have to use E with it
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>>20964734
Just Use Spiro Retard

you guys are all dumb as rocks seriously
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>>20968394
but but spiro bad
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>>20968147
Cyproterone raises your prolactin levels on its own which can cause lactation. If you don't have any brain problems you're likely fine, though you could get an MRI to make sure.
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>>20968394
Don't you have a bathroom to run to for the fifth time this hour?
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>>20968394
But I stopped using spiro because of the pissing and maybe stunting tit growth and now cypro maybe stunts tit growth and I'm about to just give the fuck up and resign myself to getting implants in four years, swear on my nan.
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>>20968680
Prolactin is toxic and pro inflammatory. It’s it’s causing one effect it’s probably causing insidious bad effects too
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>>20969021
Hardly. It's not toxic on its own, hyperprolactinemia is just often indicative of an underlying health problem. If the cause is known, it's not considered a big deal apart from negative effects on fertility. They still prescribe domperidone for nausea for fuck's sake.
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>>20964734
why is this shit never discussed in the groomer threads. Sick fucks.
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>>20969205
It literally activates the IL6 axis. How isn’t that bad?

I’m being sent to a rheumatologist for it
>>20969258
Because actual mtfs take high doses of E and so don’t need this stuff
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>>20964734
theres no bica were i live,only cypro,finasteride and spiro.i wont get a srs.
am i fucked?
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>>20969663
What about GNRH drugs?
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>>20966194
Thinking about it, so long as I recover, the tumor was worth it for the synesthesia alone

You can feel significant objects, nature, occasionally people vibrate, feel the vibrations resonate inside you.

With enough luck, you can even see the color of their vibrations. Sometimes verging on impossible colors.

It can make life beautiful... of course if I die from prolactin complications I retract that.
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>>20969886
i dont think theres anything like that here,theres not even injections.i think ill just nuke my T with cypro by taking 12.5mg everyday and adding some finasteride to fuck over any DHT left.
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>>20970470
so just diy lol
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just do monotherapy lol
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>>20970470
I take that dose every two days and it still nuked my T down to zero. People need to start with a much lower dosage in the beginning desu
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>>20970590
Hmmm,yea,ill probably take it every two days later on.
I wonder if something as little as 6.5 mg is enough to nuke testosterone once you've been transitioning for a long-ass time.
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>>20966961
its already been like almost a year since i stopped though and im still getting high prolactin now so idk
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>>20964912
>>20966403
no
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>>20964734
try another anti-androgen, take microdose e so you have regulatory hormones and ralox to prevent boobage.
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>>20966401
I just found out fina is dirt cheap so might just get that to cover all my bases.
Thanks friend.
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>>20964734
I got a tumour from cypro too. I'm on gnrh agonists now tho.
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>tfw bought 100g of bica from alibaba for $80+shipping right before the pandemic

Feels good
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>>20965411
>hero doses of cypro
>no replacement sex hormone
>why do i feel like shit
smoothbrain moment
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>>20966234
you're actually challenged mate im on 12.5mg and my t is like 1ng/dL
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>>20964734
>take the brain tumor anti-androgen
>get a brain tumor
>"why am I the only one who gets a tumor from cypro?"
did you even read the information sheet before taking cypro? seems like you did this to yourself, anon
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>>20973340
i did the same and it got seized unfortunately
but oh well i stocked up pills from russia anyways
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>>20966291
>Malaise, joint pain, tachycardia, migraines and seizures and visual disturbances
I had all that stuff before starting cypro, apart from proper migraines and joint pain (but joint pain came from worse recovery after I started cypro. I am doomed, lol.
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>>20974503
I guess get prolactin tests. If they stay normal you’re good.
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>>20973340
How?
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>>20976043
Thanks. I should probably... I actually was on a type of antipsychotics for a while which can increase prolactin as a side effect.
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>>20976061
Alibaba, search by CAS nr and don‘t get bullshitted by chat. Also try to find a company with good ratings. It‘s really not that hard, at least if one isn‘t retarded
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>>20977500
well they do that but high prolactin is bad and is likely responsible for postpartum depression... look up relationship between dopamine and prolactin. this is why stins make you horny and cypro makes you dwpressed like antipsychos and kills libido. also early prilactin spike might sabotage breast growth..
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>>20964734
>>20965411
>First time: 50-25mg a day
>Second time: 25mg every other day
what prolactin levels did you have before you discovered you had a tumor?
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if you got a tumor from cypro you obviously shouldn't take cypro again retard.
Use bicalutamide or buserilin, these will nuke your T without side effects since your body obviously doesn't like cypro
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>>20978875
I would need to find my paper, give me a second
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you were taking too high of a dose. your tumor will go away once you stop. its all your own fault.
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>>20973866
just referencing my own levels
>>20973283
yw but dont take fina if you have a history of depression because of finasteride syndrome
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>>20980644
12.5 isn’t high at all
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>>20968698
>>20968747
>wah it makes you have to pee more
>i'll just get inoperable brain tumors instead no biggie
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>>20982200
The loss of water also makes you look gaunt and sick. I got collagen deposit inducing shots I didn’t need because spiro overdose gave me bdd
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>>20982394
the problem wasn't the spiro it was the bdd dumbass. taking a diuretic isn't enough to change your appearance
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>>20982200
Super common side effect versus a rarity that really only happens if you do retard doses like OP
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>>20982525
cope
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>>20980223
>>20978875
any update on the prolactin levels before you discovered the tumor?
are you larping sir?
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>>20983309
>sir
Please stop
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>>20983309
Here, it was only moderately elevated despite severe symptoms

Anyway you tower over me with bigger bones so that’s ironic
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>>20983887
Do you know what unit of measurement thats in?
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>>20983924
ng/mL hon
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my endo put me in fucking 50mg cypro and 1mg E oral
this thread makes me extremely worried
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>>20984975
I didn't even know they made 1mg pills, what the fuck.
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>>20984975
short term 50mg cypro to bring your T down, then they usually lower it to 25mg, at least that's what happened in my case.
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>>20985003
it's been two years...............
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>>20985048
please increase your E and decrease your Cypro, demand it.
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>>20985048
Oh wow okay, might want to talk to your endo about concerns, but even then these tumors aren't common at all, both prolactinomas and meningiomas are at higher dose over decades usually. But yeah anything above 25mg is not necessary usually.
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>>20985128
>>20985056
im just gonna say that im more concerned that worried, and im already working to change it
>>20984999
in the third world shithole i live in, they do, dont know in europe or usa
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>>20970212
That isn't even what synesthesia is. That is brain damage
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>>20985558
Feeling things, remotely, as resonance, probably based on emotional impressions... seeing those feelings? That sounds like textbook emotional synesthesia.

Also I don’t have cognitive decline, just odd perception, so how can that be brain damage?
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>>20985648
Emotional synthesis is a fucking meme, you may as well call it psychosis at that point
> Also I don’t have cognitive decline, just odd perception, so how can that be brain damage?
You definitely have cognitive decline buddy, you proved it with this thread kek
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>>20985882
Synesthesia*
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>>20985882
Why does it end up in peer reviewed journals? Synesthesia is also probably related to migraine auras which this is sans pain and it being controllable.

Call it what you want, feeling without touching, seeing what you feel. It’s an altered state of perception. It’s your loss you can’t experience it.
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>>20986123
Keep coping.
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>>20986207
I didn’t lose in any way and I get to trip through life as if I’m a guru. Why so mad about that?
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>>20964734
oh did someone get fag cancer?
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>>20986604
Rip
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>>20965542
what, youre just gonna slice them off in your bathroom?
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>>20987803
Pay a doctor a couple of thousand for it

Which feels humiliating somehow
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>>20987900
They just let you do that no questions? Sounds based
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>>20983887
>>20983806
sorry for the "sir", you disappeared I thought you were a larper
>Anyway you tower over me with bigger bones so that’s ironic
I'm pretty short actually
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>>20987989
America is America

Also I tricked a psych and endo into thinking I’m trans but yes we have enough freedom to decide for ourselves without that
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>>20988080
Yeah I don’t know about that
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>>20988092
so what are you doing in regards to the tumours now? what did the doctors recommend after the saw them on the scan or whatever?
did you at least get giant knockers because of high prolactin?
also, how tall are you anon?
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>>20988165
Stoping meds again; observation last time, they went away with time; maybe because of having taken E at the same time as prolactin(somebody wanted me to), it did cause significant growth and rounding, I cover up well and forget they exist most of the time.
5’6
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>>20987900
I've really considered this, I hate mine and I know I'll never want to father a child
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>>20989238
And yet not being intact might gross people out



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