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Are you ready german trannybros?

https://antraege.gruene.de/46bdk/kapitel_5_zusammen_leben-11305/11007
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What does this say in burgerspeak?
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> The proposed self-determination law is intended to enable adolescents to initiate a change of civil status and thus the first step towards medical intervention without parental consent from a family court. Strictly speaking, civil status change and medical intervention are two different processes, but in practice they are related. Minors are unable to make such serious decisions. In the UK, the High Court ruled in late autumn 2020 that children under the age of 16 lack the necessary maturity to give informed consent to “gender-changing” therapies.

> We welcome this decision and believe that parents and the state have a duty to protect children from gender medicine. An example of this is the new law in Arkansas, which bans gender medicine altogether for those under the age of 18.
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>>20365944
>move from eastern europe to germany
>this shit happens
where the fuck do i even move now jfc
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>>20365999
"protect them from gender medicines" lmao cispeople are insane
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Germany is taking inspiration from my bible belt shithole state. What a time to be alive.
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Oh not it's the green party who is is probably going to win this year elections fucking christ i just want to get out of this hell hole
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>>20366103
vote afd
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>>20365944
>fascism in Germany
Is anybody really surprised by this? lmfao
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pretty sure part of the UK ruling was struck down recently and the Arkansas bill isn't fully law yet either. Why the fuck would germany adopt a republican bill?

also do any of these laws have anything to say about the kids already on hormones? do they just go off them cold turkey!
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its mostly about ayden trenders fucking themselves up and then having regrets
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>>20366171
reminder keira bell is a dysphoric gym
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So is this just about children or? I am planning on moving to Germany from my eastern European shithole later this year.
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>>20366146
>not wanting creeps and opportunistic parents to groom kids into falling for the gender meme is fascism
Once troons fall out of the culture war and being a genderspecial/troon stops being a trendy thing in lib circles maybe we can start treating kids with gender dysphoria again
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>>20365944
>und 27 weitere Antragsteller*innen (Frauenanteil: 82%)
lmao fucking TERFs dude. Cis women are the worst
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>>20366235
give us an example when this happened
people said the same thing about "hipster parents making their kids gay for woke points"
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>>20366215
If UK ever taught us anything, it's never just about children
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>>20366157
It's not a bill. It's a proposed change to the current party manifesto of one German party made by a bunch of TERFs. So basically as it is right now it's pretty meaningless
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>>20366244
Okay anon, here's your example. Can't wait to see those goalposts shift
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>>20365944

Kek so these TERFs think that it's a good idea to take a law of the republican party in Arkansas Asa blueprint for a law for the green party in germany? I doubt this will be successful as I read that the party wants to get rid of this TERF that wrote it.

This is her Twitter btw:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Kommunikatorin
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>>20366246
Of course. The think of the children argument is always just the Trojan horse they always use to fuck us while still maintaining moral superiority
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>>20366262
desmond isn't on hormones and isn't trans, anon
holy fuck poltards are braindead
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>>20365944
trans rights are gun rights
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terfs be like
>no no we're not conservatives
>those republicans be kinda quirky doe
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the actual screed is fucking hilarious, literally brewed-in-a-vat carbon copy TERF bullshit about "hurrr gender roles" "protect our lesbians"
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>>20366268
where did you hear that?
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>>20366268
>TRaptor
lmao haven't heard that one before
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>>20366512

getting rid of her won't be easy because party rights are pretty strict but she is isolated in her own party like Palmer and not mehrheitsfähig:

https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/moenchengladbach/moenchengladbach-umgang-der-gruenen-mit-problem-personalien-belastet-die-ampel_aid-57263205

>Über dieses Vorstandsmitglied twitterten die Grünen selbst nach einer heftigen digitalen Auseinandersetzung Engelkens mit der Transgenderszene in Deutschland: „Im Namen des Vorstandes distanzieren wir uns von Äußerungen wie diesen von Eva Engelkens entschieden. Sie handelt hier als Einzelperson und vertritt dabei nicht Ziele und Interessen der Grünen.“
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>>20365944
TERFs kind of tried to become a thing here last year, but they got struck down by all progressive moments, and now they’re trying to associate with far-right parties, which is obviously going horribly for them.
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>>20366647
I'm really happy to hear that! I'm so, so worried about trans kids worldwide right now. People meme about TERF island but tens of thousands of kids in southern US states are probably going to lose their ability to access life-saving medicine. It's absolutely horrible.

If Germany stands for what is right then that's at least a comfort in these dark times.
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>>20366557
i dont speak nazi what is it saying
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>>20366262
>kid gets groomed by old gay men
what does this have to do with trans people?
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>>20366557

TERFs are paranoid. They need to be locked up and put on antipsychotics
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>>20366684
It's just tranny + raptor/velociraptor = traptor
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>>20366696
>kid gets groomed by heterosexual parents
What do gays have to do with it?
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>THEYRE TURNING ALL OUR GAY KIDS TRANS! THE DOCTORS ARE CONVERTING THEM ALL!!!

what actually happens:
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>>20366774
>abuse your kids because otherwise they might be trans
psychopathic
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>>20367010
the terf method
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>>20367016
I thought the brainworms on this board were bad jesus christ
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>>20365944
They actually just changed directions from allowing self identification and making it easier to change genders

It won’t affect people who already transitioned
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>>20366647
Far-right parties like the German greens?
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>>20367224
The green party is not budging to the TERFs demands though
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daily reminder that the german green party advocated for abolishing the age of consent in the 1970s
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>>20367016
Blanchard has a lot to answer for. What a fucking monster.
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you aren't using terf for people who aren't rad fem now?
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>>20365944
Didn't Germany approve a neutral gender marking some time ago?
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>>20366100
the endgame of protestantism
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>>20366103
vote linke
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>>20367463
why? theyll get <5% certainly
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>>20367428
*cough* dollfuss *cough* fascism is based off of catholic corporatism *cough*
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>>20367496
sounds like something a communist would say to make any alternative to their dead ideolog appear as fascism
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>>20367016
genuinely abusive behavior
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>>20367489
In the federal election? they have been in the Bundestag since 2005. Of course they are going to make it over the 5% hurdle.
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>>20366024
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>>20367016
you JUST NOW she has never raised any kids
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>>20367523
Bavaria is a plague on germanic culture
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>>20367599
true
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>>20367321
he must answer for his crimes
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>>20367496
Spot the CDU prot.
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>>20367599
Consider this: Bavaria could have given us our first drag queen chancellor
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>>20367599
>germanic culture
NAZI ALERT
NAZI ALERT
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>>20367641
i hate this weird bavarian faggot, im glad Laschet will be chancellor with Liminski and Merz pulling the strings
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>>20367641
drag queens aren't lgbt and they've a weird obession with kids
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>>20367686
watch your mouth kid
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is she
you know
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So wait, the Green Party is bad on trans issues? How bad? I read the thread but I'm not getting it/ don't speak German.

Which parties are actually good on it? How bad are things in Germany atm?
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TERFs an die wand stellen
>>20366132
>afd wählen
afd hat in münchen gegen trans* leute geworben, mit wahlplakate die geschlechtsanpassung mit laune gleichsetzt
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>>20366235
You do know the treatment for gender dysphoria is transitioning.. right?
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>>20367760
no its literally just this one crazy bitch apparently.she also claims covid is a hoax and shit.
the problem is she got like 70+ hardcore feminazi followers in local party
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>>20367751
German women just look kinda manly in general
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>>20366262
Being drag and being trans is different. Desmond isn't even a girl and definitely isn't on hormones.
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>>20367760
No this is just a proposition from a small group of TERFs. This is like the equivalent of a group of libertarians proposing to the Republican party to start campaigning on abolishing drivers licenses because state mandated driving tests are government overreach. It's not indicative on what the party as a whole wants and most likely will not go anywhere
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>>20367740
was ist falsch mit diesem affen, warum macht der das?
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>>20367751
That's a regular German woman. German women look like men.
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>>20365999
When you're looking at Ar-Kansas as inspiration, you've moved to 3rd world country status.
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>>20367705
they're gay culture
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>>20367841
Fasching
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>>20367760

no infact there will be a few transwomen being voted into bundestag with the greens:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNkHor0KZ3V/
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>>20368003
post the hons
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>>20368067
she is the only openly trans person in politics you can find really...
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>>20367463
I will probably do that (for my "Zweitstimme"). But not sure, I might end up with B90 (I'm pretty sure the suggestion by those TERFs won't make it into the federal programme).

>>20367835
Ah that's nice.
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>>20368003
damn she's kinda cute and her voice passes pretty well
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>>20365944
Seriously speaking, are TERFs winning in Germany a real risk?
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>>20368067
She has a seat in a state parliament for the green party
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>>20365944

https://www.evaengelken.de/blog/

I started listening to the A women's place speeches before going to sleep recently, I think because I hate myself, but will now probably switch to reading this.

Also in before oh look at that cis hon lol.
She just looks like an older german woman.
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>>20368123
no we also have our assistant sec. of HHS in the US, Rachel Levine. Ignoring all the rightard screeching, she's actually incredibly qualified to be where she is, and her work as Physician General in PA was overall very good.
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>>20368193
yes thats the one i meant
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>>20368184
probably not since our Bundesverfassungsgericht really does almost all the legislation for trans people and has a clear history of seemingly understanding trans issues pretty good.

Still makes you sad tho, I kinda hoped people would just not think about us over here. Or just watch some of us on RTL II as entertainment and not really care much more...
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>>20368201
Oh, I meant in germany. She was at least the first openly trans one. Or maybe just the first one I heard of I guess..
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>>20368184
If the CDU wins again and without Merkel to keep the "real" conservative part of the party in check when it comes to sperging out on social issues we could see a rise in TERF legislation. But I don't think that will be happening under Green leadership.
But right now I'm not sure if anyone really does big anti trans stuff. The topic in Germany right now is just too niche to really work as a big culture war issue
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>>20366024
Come to England
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>>20368239
Gotcha carry on
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>>20368260
Isn't London the capital of the European TERF movement
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>>20366235
>start treating kids with gender dysphoria again

So letting them transition?
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>>20366262
>heres a kid that is involved in drag
>checkmate bigots

Trans and drag is like saying a bike and an aeroplane are the same as they are both means of transportation
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>>20368222
>>20368255
Thank you for responding.
I hope it all works out. I really do.
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>>20368277
Actually there is at least one doctor I heard of who treats trans people and as of right now if vehemently against prescribing blockers because ftm children going on blockers almost always transition. Trans people can be fucked in Germany, but it depends a lot on the doctors/therapists/insurance workers you get. This is why we should push for easily accessible and safe hrt.
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>>20368303
youre a bike
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>>20368333
the town bicycle
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>>20368324
https://www.emma.de/artikel/was-richten-wir-da-337375

That's him. He is the most prominent one skeptical of youth transition. Also the institute for youth psychiatry (forgot it's name) will publish a new recommended treatment plan next year and the last one just said there is no data for or against youth transition, we just don't know tho it isn't really accessible anymore, so who knows, next year things for trans youth will become either much nicer or much worse. In any case, it will probably make more people care about trans issues again, which I hate.
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>>20368123

pic related also runs for german parliament
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>>20365944
SOMEBODY STOP THE FUCKING CISNIGGERS
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>>20368424
cool. I'll probably vote green in the next election.
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>>20368404
https://www.awmf.org/leitlinien/detail/anmeldung/1/ll/028-014.html

This is the new behandlungsempfehlung I was talking about. You can still find the old one with the internet archive.
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whats the greens stance on the boymoder question?
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>>20368486
look behind you boymoder, there's a blahaj on that wall!
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>>20368324

Yeah that's Korte but he is also a bit isolated as of now. In germany the left/liberal mainstream is really strong so I hope the TERFs aren't gaining any ground.
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>>20367880
so is sticking stuff up your arse but I prefer if they keep that part of gay cultures away from library reading hours
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>>20368506
Ye but the problem is endemic. If parents don't want their kids to transition, there are doctors they can bring their child to where they will never have the chance. The medical establishment in general seems to at least still embrace gate keeping quite a lot. What I read about the next Behandlungsrichtlinie for adults though seems to indicate that we will come closer to bodily autonomy. Although right now Alltagstest is already said to be optional and should not be held against or over the head of a patient as a requirement to start hormones, and that seems to still be happening...

I hate being trans and that the rules governing our body/societal roles are still largely being made by cis people -.-
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>>20367496
correct
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>>20367523
socialism is alive and well in the global south, cope, seethe
the West's time of tyrannical dominance is ending
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>>20368599
we're constantly ruled by cispeople
whether they allow us hormones or ban them, its always up to them and what they decide what's best for us in their ivory towers, and they can always change their minds on a whim
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>>20365944
is this for kids only or for adults too
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>>20368624
>the West's time of tyrannical dominance is ending
yeah but it doesn't look like it's going to be replaced with socialism
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>>20368634
>fur unter 18-jahrige
for minors
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>>20368444

me too
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>>20368624
lmao nobody gives a shit about the global south, which countries are you even talking about? venezuela?
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>>20368653
thanks anon thought so but wasn't sure
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Politically speaking, if TERFs will be our main enemies, I'll be rather disappointed. I've prepared for an actually good enemy, that is the destruction of christian/islamic morality and the dismemberment of both capitalist and socialist machineries, not a bunch of karens who can't even think.
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>>20368679
china is gonna conquer the world and there's nothing amerikkka can do about it
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>>20368691
chinas far from socialist you retard
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>>20368404

I doubt it will become worse if the current polls translate into parliament
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>>20368706
okay but who cares? they seem to be better than the usa
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>>20368724
youre delusional if you think china is better than the us
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>>20368634
adults too. They just talk about self id.
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>>20368599

there might be a poll for the TSG in parliament this summer. And it looks like the greens will be in the government maybe even Baerbock gets cancellor. So chances are pretty good we will get something better in the next 4 years. Maybe much sooner. But we have to be vigilant about the TERFs. Fight them wherever you see them!
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>>20368735
no im not lole, they seem to be a lot better with debt forgiveness to countries they lend money to. imagine being a dumbshit burger going
>dude, china wants to like, enslave us all dude. they're gonna bring the social credit system here bro, that's why we must ensure that no country ever stands up to the us.
like im not even a dengoid but come on
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>>20368776
what are we supposed to do
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>>20368717
No, that thing is written solely by doctors. No external input except for the ones invited by doctors.
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>>20368781
dilate?
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>>20368776
but also fight them without coming off as crazy to not terminally online people. Lay out flat why this will directly hurt trans people. Show how trans people need acceptance to not kill themselves. Point out that restricting trans people because men rape women is disingenuous and ignores that trans women are more likely to report lifetime rape/abuse by men than cis women. Also, point out that it is incredibly patronizing to not let grown-up people who want to make an informed decision make that decision because they need to be protected.
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>>20368842
Last point for FTM people. Also, draw the comparison to gay teenagers not being accepted as gay would be ridiculous so we need to support trans youth.
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>>20368842
>incredibly patronizing to not let grown-up people who want to make an informed decision make that decision because they need to be protected.


cant have that in a nanny state like germany
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>>20368888
you can for feminists because if they say yes you ask oh wait are you in favor of 219a? That is also just the state protecting easily impressionable females from falling victim to big pharma.
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>>20368914
my theory is that terfs will gladly give up abortion rights in order to ban HRT
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>>20368914
abortion should be banned too
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>>20368781

vote green or left
refute TERF propaganda on social media
go to rallies in support for transpeople or against TERFs
sign petitions
connect with other transpeople in your area
go to TERF events and disturb them cancel them together with local antifa
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>>20368929
But they can't say that in Germany. When people learned about 219a they were outraged. That wasn't even believed to be possible here. It is far, far outside of the opportunity window and will continue to be outside of it for the foreseeable future.
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>>20368954
don't disturb them, it will signal boost them. This is Streisand effect 101. If anything ask, if you would be allowed as a guest speaker or hold a counter kundgebung.
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>>20368954
completely wrong.

>>20368781
vote fdp to increase individual freedom, do not vote greens or communists they will only make trannies more hated by putting absolute agp hons in the spotlight
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>>20368997
>vote fdp
I'm poor so no thanks
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>>20369024
>I'm poor so no thanks

go ahead if you enjoy being poor and want to stay poor forever
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>>20368997
>by putting absolute agp hons in the spotlight
you mean like this one?
>>20368003
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>>20369061
no more like >>20368193
this one
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>>20368985

it depends on the event but in universities its likely that pressure before the event even takes place will cancel it alltogether

>>20368997

why is it wrong? I thought about fdp but they have weary stance that could change any day.
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>>20369073
She's part of the Bavarian parliament and has nothing to do with the federal election. The election is already in a few months and you can already see most candidates for the Bundestag. I don't see any hons there but let's just fearmonger about "apg hons in the spotlight" regardless
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>>20369073

she is only in bavarian parliament. Nyke Slawik will most likely get into parliament because she has a good Listenplatz. So she will get to do some speaches.
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>>20369083
fdp is the only party that wont increase your taxes and will slim down the bloated government and most importantly they will not allow the EU to make germany liable for the credits of spain italy etc.
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>>20369083
true, but a lot of these events don't happen in university contexts in Germany. Usually, they will happen outside. Wether we like it or not, we will always have to appeal to respicitbility in the eyes of normie cis people. Be as uncontroversial as you can and just share your personal experiences like "I was at a bar and someone slipped something in my drink" and stuff and then say you cannot believe that you are compared to male sex predators, how could they? Bodenlos. Especially as it is the reality. We systemically suffer from sexual mistreatment/assault just like cis women do. We suffer from mental anguish etc. much more than the average cis person. We have these personal experiences, which allow people to emphasize with us and our struggles. Also push how we overcame and arent just mentally fucked... Also and that is a last resort talk about trans women being murdered by the nazis in KZs which in this country would probably stop everything else if explained in a proper context.
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>>20369171
>fdp is the only party that wont increase your taxes
lmao what tax bracket do you think I'm in
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>>20369171

last time all they did was give money to some hotel franchise group
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>>20369171
Do you know that us stabilizing the euro and keeping it as such a strong currency as it currently benefits us incredibly? Also stfu about small government, I don't want to be the USA, no one here wants to be the USA.
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>>20368424
wtf we have cute passers here
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>>20369182

Of course we have to be nuanced and polite. Putting pressure in various ways on TERFs and organisations works. Just now some lesbian festival will get stripped of funds because it hosted TERFs:

https://www.queer.de/detail.php?article_id=38716

https://www.queer.de/detail.php?article_id=38716
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>>20369171
>he fell for the meme
I did the same thing when I was 14. Then they ended up doing jack shit for four years while being part of the government and with a historically strong election result
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>>20369223
Makes me wonder how many cute tranners I walked passed over the years without even noticing
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>>20369275
I mean the less you see the better right :^)
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>>20369260
wow based lol
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>>20369223

yeah, I hope both of them get into parliament
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>>20369189
>>20369194
>>20369211
>>20369261
being liable for debt from other coutries would be a disaster, it was the main promise when they introduced the euro that we would not be liable and now the left wants to betray us by doing it anyways
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>>20369260

fuck having the magnus hirschfeld stifung on board seems unironically disrespectful when trying to organize trans skeptic events.

Like how? He literary fled the nazis who burned his books in which he supported trans people. One of the most well-known pictures from the book burnings is his collection being burned at the Brandenburger tor and he was a lifetime supporter (and one of the first and most dominant and prominent) of trans rights.
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>>20366024
come to NL
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>>20369374
vote AfD and leave the EU
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>>20369374
90% of payments to Greece were issued straight back to german-based bondholders. What are you talking about? We are by far the biggest financial stakeholders in the European economy. A stable Euro (through Germanies reassurances) is the sole reason for the confidence of investors in the European market. People in Turkey are soon going to be eating rats because investors lost all faith in the Turkish Lira.....
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>>20369385

Well they said that they were deceived by the organizers and won't fund the festival anymore
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>>20369443
turkey is a third world country entirely dependent on foreign investment, germany isnt. youre a retard for making that comparison
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>>20369480
I wish the turks would stop coming to berlin we have enough kebab stands already
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>>20366024

Nothing will happen. Thats some fringe stuff that doesn't reflect the parties stance on trans rights.
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>>20369480

turkey isn't a third world country
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>>20369498
i agree, also gyros is way better than kebab

>>20369519
its a developing country
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>>20369480
Europe does though and that is the biggest that is our biggest trade partner. Also, we nowadays have cross-country supply chains allowing us to further build on top of our great export economy. Like look at great Britain, they weren't a third-world country but are nowadays on a similar economic level to that of Italy, a country that recently fell short of collapsing from the 2008 crisis. Great Britains' economic prospects have worsened tremendously from not being part of the EU anymore.
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>>20366024
The developed parts of Asia. Apathy towards us means progress has been slow but backlash won't happen either.
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>>20365944
LETS GOOOO!
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i'm glad most trans women in brazil who end up in politics are black and young
at least they don't end up looking like boomerhons
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>>20366100
Hitler loved Americas racism. (Fact)
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>>20368985
>>20368997
wrong answer
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>>20369784
don't disturb them in a bad way. Lay out your opposition points. Do it like when the NPD marches with 300 people and 30000 people show up to counter march. Not by sending rape threats on Twitter which will always be a bad look.
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>>20368997
Fun fact: In Portuguese, FDP is an acronym for "filho da puta", which means "son of a bitch".
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it's not a terf if they also don't hate men
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>>20369388
Like NL won't follow Germany's decision in 6 months top, like always
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>>20369863
wouldn't they need a functioning government for that? lol
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>>20368997
>fdp
Didn't they try form an alliance with AfD in Thuringia?
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>>20369825
>NDP
and where are they now?
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>>20369907
yes pretty based, right?
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>>20369835
this. terf is a specific flavor of transphobe, not just any old one. stop slapping it on people at random.
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>>20369934
yes but the opposition wasn't sending rape threads on Twitter, it was a well-formed opposition with methods and messages appealing to the normie masses. That needs to be the goal for the trans liberation movement too.
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>>20369863

Again: the text in Ops post will not affect the stance of a party or the government. Theats just an isolated terf group inside the green party
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>>20369946
>>20369907
>centrists and liberals allying with fascists
typical
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>>20369953
She uses the word TIF and brings up all the nerf talking points about trannies while also hating on prostitution. If you hear hoof beats, you just go ahead and think horses and not zebras.
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>>20369975
afd arent fascist, theyre conservatives
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>>20369999
>they fell for it
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>>20369999
It is completely anti-liberal to artificially restrict the flow of wares and labor or stand against personal liberties for queer people, which are like their main talking points. It is also not liberal to reinstate mandatory conscription.

How are they supposed to be liberal?
Also political scientists classify them as rightwing nationalist.
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>>20369975
stay mad
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>>20369999

They have neo-Nazis in their ranks
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>>20370097
i said conservative not liberal
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>>20370124
sorry I misread
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>>20369965
Just saying if it were, going to NL wouldn't matter. NL is basically the little bitch of Germany on many political things
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>>20369480
>90% of payments to Greece were issued straight back to german-based bondholders
cool that you just ignored the actual important part
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>>20370355
give me a source on the 90% because im pretty certain you pulled that number out off your ass and also explain to me why spending my tax money to save some bank holding these bonds benefits me
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>>20370472
https://www.thelocal.de/20180621/germany-made-billions-on-greeces-debt-crisis-berlin-confirms/

Because german banks and private lenders/investors pay taxes here employ people here etc. Also Interest rates from direct lending more than paid back what we lend as a country. Also, the financial stability of our institutions is generally really good, I don't think I need to explain this.
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>>20370519
so the 90% figure was a lie
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>>20370554
Dunno I think not but not sure, in any case itwas not intentional. But it is genuinely hard finding the split of bond holders of Greece in 2008 in 2021 because of the 2012-2018 reporting being the only one showing up sorry.
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>>20370608
post your butt as apology
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>>20370615
no I am too sad tonight sorry....
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>>20370644
ok hope you feel better soon
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>>20370644
>>20370615
Ok actually I also today read about Christian liturgy and from that come to the conclusion, that I should and hereby do apologize. It was not ok for me to make an offhand hyperbolic statement about the Greece bailout program without reading up on it again. I try to stand for accurate points and good arguments in most of my posts and breaking down a complex yet important topic such as the euro crisis down like that was irresponsible. I thus apologize and need to thank you for holding me accountable.
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>>20370681
never apologize, its a sign off weakness
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>>20370719
I disagree, it is a sign of personal growth and character to admit when you were wrong and apologize for that.
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>>20367578
unitonically convert to islam and move to iran
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>>20370753
They'll make you get bottom surgery I think. If they let you keep your penis then good
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>>20368599
as you're the only german trip i know could you recommend some enby friendly therapist i don't want to have to black market diy anymore
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>>20369934
in parliament
they call themselves afd now and are the largest opposition party
this was the official party stance btw
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What's the current legal situation with HRT in Germany? Let's say an adult wants to start transitioning, what steps would they need to take?
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>>20371380
breaking the law and getting a misdemeanor charge for being mtf (unauthorized import of medicine) or a criminal charge for ftm/femboys (anti-doping law)
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>>20371527
Just don't get caught
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>>20371246
Ok, the route for this is two-fold:
Generally, if you are looking for good therapists, you should ask around in your local trans support group. I have been with the UKE in Hamburg and think they were alright though gatekeepy and really rule-focused. But especially when it comes to therapists for the Gutachten for the TSG name and gender change you should definitely reach out to a local trans group and ask for recommendations. Got fucked on that one. Then you getting on HRT usually depends on your therapist. That would be the normal recommended way, and since in youth groups, there are a lot of nonbinary people you'll probably find something good there.

But and in your case, that might be a good thing, if you look through the Behandlungsrichtlinie for trans adults, there is a passage mentioning what should be done with trans people who are on black market hormones ought to be brought under endocrinological supervision early on during the treatment. (p.58 https://www.awmf.org/uploads/tx_szleitlinien/138-001l_S3_Geschlechtsdysphorie-Diagnostik-Beratung-Behandlung_2019-02.pdf)

But your mileage may vary. Also, know that the first three meetings with your therapist are just to get to know each other and if you find you don't like them you should probably jump ship instead of getting stuck with them.


TLDR. Go to your local support group and ask for good therapists. Tell your therapist early on that you are on black market hormones and would really appreciate it if you could according to the S3 Richtlinie of the AWMF get an earlier than usual referral to an endocrinologist and ask what they think of that. If you feel weird jump ship.


Wish you all the best. Also please note that the TSG is the official way for trans people to change their way and doing the other route is illegal, but this way is also open for nonbinary people and offers better protections anyways.
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>>20371610
sauce for the last claim:

https://juris.bundesgerichtshof.de/cgi-bin/rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bgh&Art=en&Datum=Aktuell&Sort=12288&nr=106062&pos=14&anz=412

and the wiki page for the TSG, ran out of space unfortunately sorry.

Again all the best :)
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>>20371527
>getting a misdemeanor charge for being mtf (unauthorized import of medicine)
Is that true? Last time I heard it's maximum a fine
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>>20371380

see >>20371610

Also importing drugs, but I am not sure if it would even make it to court and not just be destroyed if you ordered like a 3 months supply of hormones. Much more important things out there and I ordered drugs a couple of times which was completely fine.
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>>20371554
it's difficult with all the parcel getting checked at customs
there are no local sources and if they were they would confiscate the customer list once they raided that place (happens a lot with stereoids)
ofcourse hrt is prescription only
only private parcels from within the eu containing medicine not on the doping list are legal
getting it from aphrodite is the best choice as they look like private parcels
>>20371638
they can charge both a fine or upto 3 years of prison if they find doping substances (T or SERM) in international mail addressed to you
this will always trigger a criminal proceeding but sentences of less than 2 years are always on probation and the first few times they would just give you a fine of several months your salary but you'll be registered in the national crime registry
if it's only some regular medication imported (E, blockers,...) then it will not be prosecuted as a crime but some goverment agent can still give you a fine of upto 25000 euro although it's always said to be less (they have to choose a fair amount, something around 250 euro from what i heard)
the only way to import legally is a friend from an eu country sending it you privately without compensation but it's prescription only everywhere afaik
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>>20369999
you fucking waste a good quad on this garbage
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>>20365944

Und das von den Grünen??
Sieht man, dass das alles nur Hurensöhne sind
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>>20372045
by 27 fringe membres of the greens.
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>>20372126

They went full conservative shill here in Austria, i just don't want Germany to fall for the same fate. Get those conservative pissbabies out. They have no place in the green party, when they market themselves as the progressive ones.
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>>20371610
>>20371628
thank you very much, i'll look into that and i'll use my stash until i manage to go legit
i hope that i'll get lucky with the endo in the end i'm happy to hear that it worked out for you
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>>20372244
sadly they became centrist here as well (look at bawu)
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>>20367776
>afd hat in münchen gegen trans* leute geworben, mit wahlplakate die geschlechtsanpassung mit laune gleichsetzt
was ist daran jetzt schlecht?
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>>20372431
die lassen uns den spaß nicht haben



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