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>cis women don't have agp
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>>17857617
youre retarded, wanting to look sexy for others is different than wanting to look sexy because YOU get off to it.
>comparing societal pressure to have bigger tits to transvestites who jerk off to loli yuri porn and wear diaps
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>>17857628
My point is that when trans people say exactly these kinds of things they get called AGP fetishists.
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>>17857617
>I want to look sexy for my boyfriend
>I get a boner when I put on womens clothes/imagine myself as a woman
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>>17857628
And how can you be certain that most tranners are the jerkoffs?
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>>17857643
¿Por qué no los dos?
>I want to look sexy for my bf
>I get aroused when I put on sexy clothes
>I get pounded while I'm aroused
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>>17857617
women want to attract men. in other words, water is wet.
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>>17857636
imagine thinking that cis women mistake submissiveness for their gender identity lmfao, if a cis woman calls themselves a fuck toy its obviously because their into a kinky relationship and like being dominated, but they dont think being a woman is inherently degrading or humiliating.
compare that to the average agp sissy hypno fetishist
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>>17857628
I literally got BA because of "societal pressure to have bigger tits" lol
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>>17857653
>>I want to look sexy for my bf
>>I get aroused when I put on sexy clothes
>>I get pounded while I'm aroused
Only in a AGPs minds are those things equivalent. But whatever you say.
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>>17857662
>if a cis woman calls themselves a fuck toy its obviously because their into a kinky relationship and like being dominated, but they dont think being a woman is inherently degrading or humiliating
So a trans woman can't think that? Your argument is literally "it's different because trans"
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>>17857679
no a tranny can say that shit but they shouldnt fucking conflate the two. thats it
t. ranny
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>>17857679
why do trannies go insane trying to prove that they are exactly like cis women. its almost a pathology. and it only hurts you in the end.
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>>17857671
Correct. My life is exactly whatever I say. My bf think of me as his gf and that's what I say to everyone.
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>>17857679
the whole foundation of calling everyone who's not exclusively androphilic AGP is "it's different because trans", the blanchtards see that as a feature, not a bug
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It's a big different thing wanting a more femenine body to feel better with yourself and attract men than a heterosexual man wanting breasts or a vagina to fullfill his AGP
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>>17857636
When they want to get these to look good for other people that’s sexy and normal. When they want to get it to get off to themselves it’s a fetish.
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>>17857734
>ly androphilic AGP is "it's different because trans", the blanchtards see that as a feature, not a bug
What makes a heterosexualo masculine man to have a female/femenine body
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>>17857700
The alternative seems like it's just as harmful of a pathology honestly. Like I don't think self-hating pickme trans will ever be happy either
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>>17857735
I don't even know where OP was trying to go with this.
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>>17857735
>to feel better with yourself and attract men

What if the so-called "heterosexual man" does it to feel better about themselves and attract men
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>>17857700

why do ciswomen go insane trying to prove that they are exactly unlike transwomen.
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>>17857766
Why a hetero man will want to attract men if he's naturally masculine and always attracted to women. Why all of a sudden wants a female body or have sex with men (to validate him) ???
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>>17857756
there's nothing self hating about admitting that you are different from a cis woman. that is just reality. they have a different physiology than us. deluding yourself into believing you are the exact same thing either physically or mentally and getting crushed when anyone brings up distinctions is terrible state to be in. but do you, I have no problem owning the fact that I am trans. its not something I can change so there's no reason not to embrace it.
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>>17857772
Women don't get arousal for being women. Trans-bians have a male sexuality nothing I have ever seen in females
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>>17857735
based hsts
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>>17857772
They don't have to go insane. They can literally point out anything. Whereas trannies need to jump through literal hoops and convolute and gaslight in a sad attempt to prove that they are just like cis women. And even then, no one is really convinced.
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>>17857795
>>17857807
Calling yourself a "goddess" means you have an ego around being feminine, which is AGP.
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>>17857807
I mean i get aroused when someone touches me even though I'm a boymoder who doesn't dress fem
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>>17857823
leave my honperiods alone trash
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>>17857823
All HSTS are similar to hetero women in lots of characteristics. Both are androphilic. AGP are just hetero men who want a justification for their paraphilia
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>>17857833
to be fair radfems and just retarded women have the whole facebook witchy feminism shit where its like astrology on steroids ngl
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>>17857834
her explanation will be "actually you only get off because youre a malebrained fetishist subconsciously"

>>17857823
>They can literally point out anything.
And they can't prove anything. Just because they say "UHM ACKSHUALLY..." doesn't make it a fact.
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>>17857841

Radfem women worshipping their macrosized sculptures of their vaginas and drinking their own period blood is also sus.
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>>17857833
Being a egocentric homsoexual is not the same as being a hetero AGp egocentric. No gynephilia, no AGP
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>>17857840
I'm bi so /shrug but i don't like thinking of myself during sex I'd rather think of what they're gonna do to me
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>>17857860
You're calling yourself a female god lol
AGP is about self-love as a female, adoration of ones own femininity
Get the picture here "goddess"?
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>>17857862
Bisexuals tend to be AGP. And many times is just meta-attraction
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>>17857873
>GP is about self-love as a female, adoration of ones own femininity
>Get the picture here "goddess"?
I'm a femenine homosexual who is a goddess. A totally different thing when a hetero masculine man pretends to be femenine.
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>>17857874
Idk I didn't realize I was attracted to women till I was 20, and all my fulfilling relationships have been with men besides some hookups with women
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>>17857874
>if they love both men and women it means theyre a straight male fetishist freak
>Also if they only love men it still means they're a straight male fetishist freak
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>>17857843
They can point to almost any aspect of their anatomy, brain chemistry, or genetics. Sex organs, chromosomes, fertility, brain development, etc. Gender dysphoria is already a medically anomaly. Hell, 30% of transwomen identity as transbians while less than 1% of cis women do. Why would you assume cis female brains would be exactly like AMAB brains?
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>>17857887
>who is a goddess.

The fact that you're glorifying your own femininity means you have a fetishistic fixation concerning your own femininity, literally calling yourself female divinity. This means you can't be HSTS. Loving your own femininity makes you AGP = AUTO (self) GYNEPHILE (love of females) = love of your femininity. This is basic logic.
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>>17857889
That's because your AGP get more intense, and in your mind you have to be with men because you sexually reward for taking the female role in sex
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>>17857903
>They can point to almost any aspect of their anatomy, brain chemistry, or genetics. Sex organs, chromosomes, fertility, brain development, etc.

They're not doing that though, they're talking about subconscious psychology that they can't prove. I'm not saying they're identical, but ciswomen (and HSTS lol) are saying they're 100% dissimilar in every single way.
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>>17857906
No gynephilia, NO AGP. I'm femenine because I'm a sexual invert. I have a feminez sexuality. I'm a ttractive masculine men the same way a fem straight women is attracted
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>>17857906
There is zero logic in that. Plenty of gay men use the term goddess. Are they AGP as well? You people are so hellbent on pushing your own brainworms onto everyone else. I get it, it's shameful and pathetic. But normal humans do not see the world that way and cannot relate to your "condition".
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>>17857908
Idk i'm still a bottom with women, and i'm like mostly attracted to trans women
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>>17857916
>No gynephilia

You do have gynephilia - you love the fact that you're feminine, you love that you're a "goddess", you love yourself enough to call yourself divinity for being feminine, and even bragging about it to strangers on the internet and trying to lord your femininity over others, that's how much you love yourself. Loving your own femininity = autogynephilia. You're disqualified from ever being HSTS.
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>>17857915
>I'm not saying they're identical, but ciswomen (and HSTS lol) are saying they're 100% dissimilar in every single way.
Literally not a single person in this thread said that. You have two lungs and a beating heart. Do the tranny brainworms make you hallucinate as well?
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>>17857922
Also dont agps want srs or am i mixing them up
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>>17857918
gay men and HSTS see themselves as femenine queen cuz they are naturally fem. Straight men want to achieve femeninity/womanhood but they can't cause is not natural to them
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>>17857929
AGPs are the leading patients who go for SRS actually according to lawrence,

>>17857918
>You people are so hellbent on pushing your own brainworms onto everyone else.
LOL HYPOCRITE
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>>17857924
Being homosexual (androphilic) disqualifies me of being gynephilic and autogynephilic. You're just a bitter AGP and homphobic
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>>17857933
>naturally fem.

Do you love the fact that you're naturally feminine? Loving your femininity = auto(self)gynephilia(love of femininity).

I don't make the rules here dearie.
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>>17857933
based HSTS
t. cis woman who only accepts HSTSs
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>>17857938
Yea, I don't want srs, mainly because i mostly sleep with gay guys
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>Bitter AGPs rapehons trying and failing to drag an HSTS goddess
Sad! Many such cases.
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>>17857945
>(androphilic)

you're not androphilic, you're in love with your own femininity, enough to brag about it online and call yourself female divinity. Sorry babe, you're not HSTS!
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>>17857950
Auto (self) Gynephilia (attraction to women) No attraction to women, NO AGP!. Homosexual want masculine men the same way women want men. Will you call a woman agp because she says she is a goddess??
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>>17857950
Are you literally retarded? A lot of AGPs are. Blanchard himself said that HSTS were naturally feminine since birth. And he created the terminology.
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>>17857952
Also wouldnt agps prefer straight guys?
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>>17857950
I love tacos. that doesn't mean I want to fuck tacos. what are even trying to prove here?
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>>17857962
I'm a goddess because literally call me a femenine queen, which is natural to me. The same way is natural to straight women. That's why men call them goddesses
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>>17857983

Do you have pride over the fact that you're feminine?

The definition of Auto Gyne Phile is "Self Love of Female", ie, loving your femaleness. Do you love your femaleness? Are you proud and have an ego over how much of a queen you are? That's Auto Gyne Philia.
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>>17857991
>tion of Auto Gyne Phile is "Self Love of Female", ie, loving your femaleness. Do you love your femaleness? Are you proud and have an ego over how much of a queen you are? That's Auto Gyne Philia.
I'm not proud of that. It's natural to me. That's why men call me a goddess the same way they call other women goddeses. It's a different thing a straight men calling himself "goddess" to reflect his sexual attraction to women to himself. Gynephilia is attraction women. Auto (self) is a heterosexualo man reflecting his gynephilia to himself (Autogynephilia)
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>>17857991
Except it isn't. You are making vague shitty connections in a (male-brained) attempt to get a one up. You can check out Blanchards own definition of AGP and if you are that curious. All HSTS love being feminine. Hence, they always prefer feminine hobbies and behaviors to male ones. It's part of the typology. Blanchard regularly points to Blaire White and Gigi Gorgeous as HSTS and they are both very feminine and proud. AGPs couldn't be feminine to save their lives.
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Calling yourself a goddess is pretty much exactly like laura's playground boomers calling themselves "hons" lol
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>>17857991
why do all AGPs speak like typical autistic men? it doesn't help your case at all.
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>>17858009
>I call myself a god but its not about pride to me lol

>>17858025
> All HSTS love being feminine.
AGP is defined by loving being feminine. You haven't even read anything by Blanchard clearly.
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>>17858025
>You are making vague shitty connections in a (male-brained) attempt to get a one up.
>You're a malebrained autistic fetishistic unfeminine hon!!
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>>17858046
it is defined by a sexual attraction to being female. that is what love means in that context. you know this and I dont know why you choosing this hill to die on. AGPs really are insane. and you have read shit by Blanchard lmfao.
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>>17858059
>>You're a malebrained autistic fetishistic unfeminine hon!!
finally you get it. cut this shit out and at least try to give the vague impression that you are a woman. at this rate, you are as male as it gets.
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>I fit in this box!
>no you don't!
>yes I do!
>justify yourself to me!
>i want validation!
>give me validation!
>I'm more valid!
>no I am!
Lmfao, anons get a grip ffs these threads are always so trite and further they're filled to the brim with pathology
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>>17858025
>Except it isn't. You are making vague shitty connections in a (male-brained) attempt to get a one up. You can check out Blanchards own definition of AGP and if you are that curious. All HSTS love being feminine. Hence, they always prefer feminine hobbies and behaviors to male ones. It's part of the typology. Blanchard regularly points to Blaire White and Gigi Gorgeous as HSTS and they are both very feminine and proud. AGPs couldn't be feminine to save their lives.
>Gigi Gorgeous

Blanchard's mentioned Gigi? He's aware she's married to a cis-girl right? How's he feel about it? A HSTS who doesn't crave cock?
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>>17858085
Lmfao, Gigi is as androphilic as it gets. But she is more money hungry than anything. She's disgusted by even touching her "fiancé"

https://youtu.be/hb_QyOsoHv8?t=383
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>>17858085
Gigi Gorgeous is AGP. Kim Petras, Taftaj, Blaire White are classic HSTS
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>>17858085
are you joking? no one believes Gigi is a lesbian.
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>>17858085
>A HSTS who doesn't crave cock?
She definitely craves cock. In her book, she had sex with almost a 100 men. Before and after transition. But she said that no one accepted her and she hated it. But now her wife accepts her fully.
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>>17858110
lol that kiss...
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>>17858130
She's probably tired of men bullshit and tried a buchy lesbian.
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>>17858137
She looks like she wants to throw up every time she kisses her fiancé.
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>>17858145
I will too. Her gf looks like Magdalen Burns
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>>17858130
ive given up on looking what does HSTS mean
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>>17858153
Is she the like billionaire or whatever?
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>>17858162
Bonr male but sexually inverted. They have a female/ female typical sexuality which means they crave hetero masculoine men the same way a femenine straight woman will like. Examples: Kim Petras, Blaire White, Nikki Tutorials
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>>17858198
Other examples: The black tranny streetwalking crossdresser I saw get arrested in Vegas the other night. Also looked totally busted.

HSTS =/= attractive. Most low end tranny prostitutes would be classed as HSTS and most are incredibly clocky.
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>>17858358
Most prostitutes and pornstars are AGP lol. How do you know she wasn't AGP??. Most do pass and clocky ones still don't look like rapehons like y'all
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>>17858358
HSTS are sexual inverts and natural femenine. Most of them pass if they stop their masculinization as young as 15. Not necessary attractive. Many women are not attractive
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>>17857617
>cis women don't have agp
who even says this?
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>>17858380
She's the typical edgy white girl who claims I'm bi hehe. She is a dick lover.
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>>17858388
Agp hons
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>>17858388
everyone. besides coping AGPs.
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>>17858395
>literally someone can say they are AGP and still be called HSTS because they're hot
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>>17858388
first day on this board?
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>>17858416
She's not AGP. She was never with women. And she's early onset gender dysphoria. AGP transition a bit later. She's just empathic to AGPs (female brained)
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>>17857679
It is different because trans. It's normal for women to feel this way. When it happens in men it makes them want to be women, which is abnormal.
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>>17858476
She literally "tried being with women" but okay
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>>17857916
>I'm a sexual invert
if the typology is really so specious that you have to revert to discredited 19th century ideas to defend it, it should be discarded
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>>17858476
Taf said she realized she was trans at 14, after puberty which = AGP
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>>17858645
Get over it. Androphilia is a form of sexual inversion. Gays half inverts and HSTS are full inverts.
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>>17858647
14 is not after puberty. And HSTS tend to transition at that age. 12-18 in general.
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I want to look sexy for other people but I personally don’t get off to being sexy myself
Like I don’t ever schlick to the fact that I have a vulva or to me having boobs

I want to be attentive and I want to find myself attractive but I can’t imagine ever masturbating to myself
It’s a weird idea and idgi
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>>17858652
Magical thinking. This is just as egregious as AGPs saying they have a female essence.
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>>17858661
Age is a piss poor way to classify HSTS nowadays. I was straight as a kid and I wanted to transition at 14, but I thought I would have been rejected by my parents and everyone else in my life. If I were born 5 years later I probably could have told them.
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>>17858395
What got deleted
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>>17858171
Yes
They’re married now
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>>17858476
>She's just empathic to AGPs (female brained)
TERFs confirmed male-brained
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>>17857617
It is not AGP to get breast implants. It can be an important part of obtaining a passable body, HRT can only develop breasts so far in some cases. I myself consulted with a surgeon a couple days ago about my upcoming BA early next year, there's nothing wrong with that. Picking up the slack so you can comfortably go to the beach isn't exactly some perverse fetish.
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>>17858476
>She's not AGP
>AGP transition
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>>17858085
>he/him lesbian
>cis girl
:%)
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>>17857950
lol, are you srsly telling gays that they're agp when they're proud and don't want to hide their femmy selves anymore are after decades and centuries of being shat on for being fem? Oh, man. Gay non-masc men should really get with terfs on transgender stuff - you straight fetishists sicken me.
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>>It can be an important part of obtaining a passable body

Bullshit many women are flat until their first pregnancy or even after. If I was a woman I would want most definitely want a-cups and a toned dancers body. Just out of convenience.
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>>17859591
Many women don't have to deal with being amab.

>If I was a woman I would want most definitely want
You don't get to have an opinion.
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>>17857795
Because he's not hetero you dumb fuck
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>>17857908
God dude you sound dumb
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>>17859570
>gay shaming anybody for their sexuality
peak blindness
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am i the only dumbass in this board that bothers to look for studies?
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i wonder if straight guys look at images of men in underwear as much as straight women look at half naked women in panties.
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>>17859624
>Many women don't have to deal with being amab.

Nice, missed the point completely.

>It can be an important part of obtaining a passable body

Passable. FYI: Women aren't naturally some weird plastic bimbo creature
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>>17859787
I think many do actually. They will just never admit it for being seen as gay. But I genuinely believe many compare and shit. Think body builders, notorious for being closet gays, I know, but still many straights who flex in mirrors and shit among them.
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>>17857741
These cis people literally said they want bigger boobs to be a better fucktoy "for my owner".

Pretending it's not AGP is retarded.
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>>17857807
Proof otherwise is literally in the OP
"I wannt be a good fucktoy for my owner" is inherently using your gender for sex. And therefore she gets arousal for being a woman
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>>17859777
take a bigger picture and higlight the interesting text please. Most people here are too autistic to read that long text.
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>>17858388
A LOT of fucking people on this board. And Dr. Powers. And Blanchard.
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>>17859787
They don’t lol. Except for gymbros who hang up posters of Arnold in their bedrooms for fitspo. But that doesn’t count honestly. You never hear straight men talk about fit male bodies the same way straight cis women talk about other women’s boobs and butts. I’d also like to note that whenever men are changing clothes around each other there’s zero eye contact and they make it a point to be as fast as possible. Yet straight cis women will straight up be half naked around their girlfriends like it’s a non issue. Really makes you think about male and female psychology.
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>>17859787
They do, but not because they get a boner doing so. They are comparing themselves with the (often muscular) men in underwear.
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>>17859787
>as much as straight women look at half naked women in panties.
Pictures like that are for telling women "Your husband will love you if you look like this." It's teen boys not girls who get themselves off to women's clothing catalogs.
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>>17859777
this shit is obvious if you have the least bit of familiarity with women's sexuality. you know what a lot of women will say the best thing about being with a guy is? feeling small and protected in his arms. that is literally "meta-attraction", it's about her relationship with the guy making her feel more feminine.
we just pathologize shit when it happens in trannies
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>>17859810
Maybe she is a straight woman who is attracted to her cis male "owner" boyfriend and not only into guys due to being really attracted to herself being a straght woman...
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>>17859918
Or maybe she's just AGP and people just want to pretend transgirls are different because they're internalizing transphobia.
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>>17859952
What's transphobic about saying a transgirl and a cisgirl can both enjoy being "owned" by their loving boyfriends without needing to have the same sexualities?
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>>17859969
It's 'othering'.
Both are doing the exact same thing, so they have the same sexualities.
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>>17857617
So, this isn't AGP. But people who don't really understand AGP often say it is. The problem isn't that cis women experience AGP (they don't) but that lots of what's in fact normal sexuality for trans women gets *called* AGP by idiots.
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>>17859999
This, especially the last part. And ultra-checked.
People will literally call being a lesbian "agp". It's so retarded.
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>>17859990
Cis women are already privileges above tranners so why is othering tem suddenly problematic?
>Both are doing the exact same thing, so they have the same sexualities.
Obviously not if one is het and one is bi. Why are cis people allowed different sexualities but tranners have to settle for cis ones?
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>>17860021
there's no such thing as "cis sexuality". Sexualities aren't cis or trans. They just are. And trans women have the same than cis women have.
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>>17859999
>lots of what's in fact normal sexuality for trans women gets *called* AGP
Couldn't both sides be right? It is AGP and it is normal sexuality for trans women.
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>>17857628
>>societal pressure to have bigger tits
Ha ha ha ha ha ha HA, you don't seriously believe that, do you? Wealthier men don't demand fatter titties and women demand wealth.
Women wanting bigger boobs is purely self-interested (outside of a strat employed by impoverished girls dating drug dealers or something) and it's desired because THEY perceive it to be more feminine.
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>>17860036
Trans erasure. Our experiences aren't limited to cisnormative ones.
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>>17860065
Our experiences are based on cisnormative ones. Otherwise we wouldn't need to transition, voice work, wear specific clothes, etc.
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>>17860071
The very fact we do need to transition shows that we aren't limited to cisnormative experiences.
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>>17860048
>drug dealers are the only men who go for girls with bigger tits
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>>17860048
>Ha ha ha ha ha ha HA
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>>17860103
Poorfags want women who have bigger boobs, while women who have bigger boobs don't want poorfags.
Women who want fatter breasts want fatter breasts for themselves.
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>>17859833
>I’d also like to note that whenever men are changing clothes around each other there’s zero eye contact and they make it a point to be as fast as possible. Yet straight cis women will straight up be half naked around their girlfriends like it’s a non issue. Really makes you think about male and female psychology.
Men are shamed more for homosexuality, female homoeroticism is celebrated. Yes this impacts their psychologies, not it doesn't mean women are all secretly lesbian or bi or agp.
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>>17857664
Societal pressures don't go away just because AGPs also have AGP.
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Legitimate appearance-based societal pressures for women
>don't be unlucky when it comes to appearance
>shave your legs and armpits
For an autistic woman
>don't be unlucky when it comes to appearance
>some man will date you even if you don't shave; he might even shave you in the bath for you :D
>when you do have a man, he might hold you when you have your daily seizure
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Thank you all for confirming that trannyism is just male self projection over women.
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>>17860412
Cope.
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>>17860412
Thank you for beng completely illiterate, you devolved monkey.
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>>17857617
tumblr used to be completely filled with this stuff, for example a lot of people don't realise but originally bimbofication was a fetish primarily for submissive cis women and dominant cis men, rather than being some sissy thing
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>>17857617
Some cis woman definitely do have some form of agp, but has anyone else noticed the ones who do tend to ID as bisexual? Really weird pattern I’ve noticed again and again.
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>>17860457
AGP trannies tend to be bisexual too. Transbians are just cope, they all lose to dick in the end.
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starting to realize this board is just a bunch of uninformed autists yelling over one another and never listening, why the fuck did I read all this, I could be doing anything else right now. jesus christ
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>>17860473
Lose to dick in what way? They end up with men or men take their girls?

But yeah, I’m starting to think female bisexuality is attraction to the variance in gender roles. The way bi women often describe what they want in women vs men is so gender rigid it would make a 50s housewife look like Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
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>>17860492
can you expand on that? sounds genuinely interesting and I think it might match up with what I've seen in bi women
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I have yet to see a single tranny thought, perception, remark or comment about women that doesn't scream projection.
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>>17860496
For example, I have known bisexual women who have admitted to me that they have literally masturbated to themselves in the mirror but have never heard of this from straight women. Also bi women tend to only pursue Uber-masculine men and enjoy rough sex etc. while heterosexual women will usually prefer romance and moderate masculinity , be attracted to specific men rather than the idea of masculinity (where the macho men are basically interchangeable) and have healthier relationships with men in general. I genuinely have never met a single bisexual woman who would be comfortable dating a shorter man, or even a man only marginally taller than her etc. but I know of plenty of heterosexual women in long term relationships with shorter men.

Bi women will often be terrified of the idea of man being smaller than them, and will often exaggerate how small they are (one I knew would go on about how short she was when she was 5’6” lmao) whereas to straight women it’s either only a mild concern or not one at all. Their “taste” win women is usually a hyper feminine ideal and in the inverse of their taste in men-they want women smaller than them etc. This is where it splits from trans agp- their sexuality with women is “flipped” agp. This urge is usually much less strong than their agp urges though and they sleep with vastly more men than women, in fact statistically bisexual women sleep with more men that heterosexual women (understandable when you consider they are only attracted to men as interchangeable masculine placeholders, rather than desiring relationships with specific men).

I believe this common behaviour and bisexual identification in women is a symptom of mental illness, often bpd, as these kinds of women will often have many other self-destructive tendencies. The specifics of how mental illness causes this sexuality I don’t know.
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>>17860537
When I (mtf) say women are X Y Z, it's because I sincerely believe that I'm X Y Z too. This even applies to less politically correct things, such as women are weaklings and need protection. I don't want to be the one doing the protecting.

Guess that count as projection, huh.
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>>17860574
>such as women are weaklings and need protection

You know there’s such a thing as guns right? Why is this board full of misogynistic trannies who think this is 1200AD
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>>17860552
yeah it sounds like some bi women I've talked to, especially the fixation on hyper-masculine, often quite "anonymous" men but a preference for feminine women (butches seem to only appeal to lesbians, not bi women)
it sounds kind of odd but I feel I used to have a similar taste in men as an AGP trans girl, but now it's a bit more moderated and romantic
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>>17860587
Yea but can't my bf be doing the shooting :<
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>>17860574
Sure do, boy.
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>>17857628
She's talking about being an hourglass, and have nice boobs. Those things are self sexualization.
She's AGP.
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>>17859830
Dr Powers says AGP is a fetish, like crossdressing/transvetitism.
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>>17860682
I, too, can be retarded sometimes.
But at least not THAT retarded.
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The autists here pretend they don't understand that this AGP concept or whatever name would be more apropriate is about males with a fetish consisting of him being sexually aroused by the thought/perception/vision of himself feminized, "as a woman". What a bunch of clowns...

It's not about real women. If you're biologically female you can't be AGP. By its very definition. They're already women and have always been, you absolutely dense morons.
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>>17860727
>They're already women
lol no they're not, they're malebrained as fuck, doesn't matter if they have biologically female bodies
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>>17860799
>malebrained
all the cells of their brains are XX aswell as their bodies
lololol you are just stupid clowns spewing half-assed pseudo-scientific shit
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>>17857617
friendly reminder that you HAVE to be male as a prerequisite for being AGP
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>>17860616
>butches seem to only appeal to lesbians, not bi women

To be able to be attracted to androgynous, gnc people requires you to be able to see sexual/romantic partners as individuals, rather than embodiments of a gender ideal. If your sexuality is simply how you appear in relation to others e.g. the small submissive dominated by the big and strong you will not be able to humanise and accept deviations from the norm in your partners. Agp/aap like sexuality might result from a certain dissociation/mental illness that prevents true bonding, that may be alleviated by progressing to a stable and well-integrated mental state.

It is interesting to note I know one (ex) bisexual woman who went on mood stabilisers and took control of her life, quit dinrkingb etc. and she managed to get a nice boyfriend and essential renounced any attraction to women, so it seems to me there is true attraction to men deep down for most of them but their “attraction” to women isn’t real whatsoever.
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>>17860864
Exactly.
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r/bimbofication has mostly cis women posting there which is really weird. They act like AGP transwomen but they're not.
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>>17861113
Are they actually turned on by it or just shilling their onlyfans?
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>>17861122
The way they post about it is very autistic like they're actually into it. They're mostly women in their 30s.

Also the quality of their images isn't that good, they don't seem like they were taken for that kind of purpose.
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>>17860923
>Agp/aap like sexuality might result from a certain dissociation/mental illness that prevents true bonding, that may be alleviated by progressing to a stable and well-integrated mental state.
this sounds pretty accurate, I only really became interested in people in a genuine romantic sense when I stopped being NEET coomer and actually tried to pursue a future
I imagine most cis women with fetish/porn blogs and stuff like that are probably bi?
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>>17859830
>And Dr. Powers.
tbf he says trans women also don't
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>>17861122
It is a fetish, what do you think?
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>>17860864
>>17861014
>>17860727
Okay. So, definitions aside, you concede that cis women and trans women are aroused by the exact same things, yes? Something tells me that the answer is no, and since the answer is no this is a deflection to semantics.


>>17860457
An informal survey conducted in another community found that among cis women not being straight correlated with being at least slightly aroused by the act of imagining being a very beautiful woman.
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>>17860864
>>17861014
>>17860727
You're wrong. AGP is a sexual orientation that is a self-directed (auto) form of attraction to women (gynephilia). It is found in the majority of trans women and not cis women.

>>17863779
>you concede that cis women and trans women are aroused by the exact same things, yes?
I don't.

>among cis women not being straight correlated with being at least slightly aroused by the act of imagining being a very beautiful woman.
This raises questions about bisexual and lesbian cis women. It doesn't make them the same as trans women.
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>>17863981
>You're wrong
you're not even contradicting the posts you're quoting lmao
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>>17864037
Are they right?
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>>17857617
AGP is literally just cis female sexuality, there's nothing surprising here.
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>>17863981
>AGP is a sexual orientation that is a self-directed (auto) form of attraction to women (gynephilia)
There is no evidence that this is so
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>>17857617
Cis women are usually agp hence why they take selfies constantly. I met a cisgirl that had a pic of herself as her phone wallpaper.

Being agp doesnt mean you cant want dick too, but thats also another reason why they all want the same exact type of guy or aome guy that could be their brother or dad. Men are interchangeable and only worth as much as money as they make.
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>>17860039
nope, seriously, agp shouldnt contains liking to be sexy for your partner AND shoving tomato juiceup your butt to simulate period.
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>>17864947
but it is , we got millions of susan-place like hon to show that it is true.
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>>17867663
that's not proof of anything
lots of "gay fems" are narcissists themselves
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>>17866829
...this is from a total agp hon , this is not taken from a neutral place, and from the same sample we got stuff that say exactly the reverse.
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>>17866829
A more recent study by the same person (also a trannny)
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>>17867680
lots of gay fem end up transitioning and become transbians...
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>>17857617
>want bit tits to attract men
if anything that's HSTS as hell.
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>>17867688
why is there a baseline for both men and women but no comparison to AGP women? surely there are at least a handful
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>>17861113
I didn't even know there's such a subplebbit. Guess I'll be perusing it for, um, research.
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>>17867747
It's a shit online survey by a boomerhon. What exactly do you expect from it?
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>>17867747
I think she used all MTFs as a baseline. because the implication is that AGPs are going to be aroused by it anyways.
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>>17867781
i love how anons on this board constantly post dozens of graphs with no sample sizes shown or sources shown or where they took the polls in the first place
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I really want to support transwomen but this AGP shit really makes my skin crawl. if they weren't so hellbent on talking about it and making it seem like the entire world has it, transwomen would be so much better tolerated.
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>>17857617
This doesn't prove anything though. If she said she wanted it because having it aroused her instead of please her boyfriend, it would make more sense.
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>>17867813
>anyone who has a kink is a subhuman
May I suggest you go back to the 7th century?
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>>17867813
Is that why you think transphobia exists anon?

>>17867831
>If she said she wanted it because having it aroused her instead of please her boyfriend, it would make more sense.

Why can't we pull a Blanchard and just say "She's lying" if she says its solely to please her boyfriend and not also herself like we do to trannies?
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>>17867813
that why sane women only supports HSTS. anything else is a perverted fetish that makes everyone uncomfortable.
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>>17867836
>if they weren't so hellbent on talking about it and making it seem like the entire world has it, transwomen would be so much better tolerated.
Read it again. Applying a pathology to everyone in an attempt normalize only harms your cause instead of helping it. If I were you, I would just deny it even exists. Some of you on this board have the right idea.
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>>17867839
>Why can't we pull a Blanchard and just say "She's lying" if she says its solely to please her boyfriend and not also herself like we do to trannies?
except we literally never say this to trannies. HSTS get huge tits and plastic surgery to attract men all the time and we still consider them HSTS. AGPs sure love their strawmen,
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>>17867884
>except we literally never say this to trannies.
blanchard literally did discount agp's testimonies by saying they were lying
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>>17867871
>Applying a pathology to everyone in an attempt normalize only harms your cause instead of helping it. If I were you, I would just deny it even exists. Some of you on this board have the right idea.
ive been trying to deny it since day one. but there are so many fucking sissy fetishists in the trans community that come in with their "I CANT WAIT TO TAKE HRT SO I HAVE BE A BIT TIT MILKING COW IN A SCHOOL GIRL OUTFIT. OH MY CLITTY IS LEAKING NOW" that I stopped bothering. fuck it.
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>>17867871
I won't allow myself to fall into intellectual dishonesty by denying it exists, nor that it is something that no cis woman have.
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>>17867921

Do you think that your dersire to medically transition from amab to the opposite sex isn't also perceived as fetishistic, degenerate, and freakish and also satanic to much of society still? Do you think that just not saying "mommy milkers teehee" gives you a pass? In who's eyes?
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>>17867929
Then keep trying to convince yourself and bringing it to everyones attention so women can recoil in disgust like they usually do and men can use it as fodder against you.
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>>17867939
in any sane humans eyes. I understand that you are likely a degenerate given your response but you don't need to project that onto every transperson. I do not get aroused by this AGP shit. and I dont even consider AGPs to be trans to begin with. idgaf if its transphobic, hons can eat shit so I care it.
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>>17866922
You think women obsessed with their self-image because they get turned on by themselves being feminine? Bitch you just don't have a clue.
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>>17867921
egg_irl in a nutshell
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>>17867939
In the eyes of anyone who is attracted to us. Quite a lot of them.
>satanic
Imagine letting your life be dictated by a Semitic brainworm, lmao
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>>17867977
>in any sane humans eyes.
How many sane humans are there, anon?

>>17868000
So do they exist or do they not exist? Do many millions of people despite you for being trans despite not being a "fetishist" regardless?
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>>17867992
The theories on this board are so wild, I wonder if any of them have ever met a woman.
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>>17868019
you realize you are talking to multiple people you crazy bastard?
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>>17868035
That's why I quoted two different posts dumbshit
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>>17857617
I've been a lurker for many years and this whole 'cis women have agp so I valid' shtick is incredibly sad. There are a thousand other things that you could be thinking/working on to make your lives less hellish. You contort yourselves and sling all these novel phrases in some attempt to try to understand and justify what you are. So for your own sake an other trannies around the globe, please stop.
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>>17858009
Gigi is engaged to a woman.
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>>17858025
Gigi is engaged to a woman
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>>17859787
god i need to lose weight
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>>17868025
If the trannies here actually had female friends, they wouldn't be here.
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>>17867813
I mean it's really only this board. If you throw around Blanchard shit in any other trans space they'll either laugh you out of the room, ban you, or both.
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>>17867831
>If she said she wanted it because having it aroused her instead of please her boyfriend, it would make more sense.
Correct. What she said isn't AGP.

>>17867895
Are tranners who openly talk about their AGP telling the truth or lying?
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>>17868813
>If you throw around Blanchard shit in any other trans space they'll either laugh you out of the room, ban you, or both.
Are you kidding? Trannies in other spaces are even more disgustingly and openly AGP than here. Hons have zero shame.
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Today I will remind them

>Slate Star Codex, a rationalist website, recently conducted a community survey. One of the questions was "Picture a very beautiful woman. How sexually arousing would you find it to imagine *being* her?", with the answer being a number from 1 (not at all) to 5 (very). A few thousands of people responded.

>Here's a table of means and, in parentheses, standard deviations.
>Cis male: 2.63 (1.46)
>Cis female: 2.49 (1.34)
>FTM: 1.86 (1.26)
>MTF: 3.23 (1.50)

https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/02/10/autogenderphilia-is-common-and-not-especially-related-to-transgender/
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>>17870059
>a community survey
Then this isn't a random sample even by internet standards?
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>>17870080
Sure. However this is still interesting because, on the surface level, the filters seem to have very little to do with the subject. This is not a kink site or a sexology site or what have you. This is a site centered on discussing intellectual topics in excruciating detail. Its female population skews gay, conservative-sympathetic liberal, autistic, and interested in reading excruciatingly detailed analysis. Those things could all be related to the results, making estimating actual prevalence difficult. On the other hand what we have here is enough to disprove the idea that no cis women are "AGP" or that it's astronomically rare that they are. In conjunction with more rigorous but much smaller studies that also found some similarities between tranners and cissers we can conclude that *something* interesting is going on here.

With that said.. I think that this is at least partially the result of people calling everything AGP lol. If you widen the net enough you catch the wrong things. I'm convinced that there are some sorts of "AGP" arousal that are much more common in tranners than in cissers. It's just that "looking in the mirror while I'm dressed sexy sometimes turns me on a bit" might be significantly more normal than people figured. I absolutely do think that many trans women have fucked up sexualities. Growing up trans screws with you.
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>>17869276
Hons will get mad if you call them AGP though
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>>17870143
>On the other hand what we have here is enough to disprove the idea that no cis women are "AGP" or that it's astronomically rare that they are.
Sure, but then the question is what's the relationship between "AGP" and AGP.

>I think that this is at least partially the result of people calling everything AGP lol. If you widen the net enough you catch the wrong things.
The origin of this problem is trying to use the same net for different things. If you want to tell AMABs with AGP apart from heterosexual men, you need one set of questions. If you want to tell AGP trans women apart from HSTS trans women, you need another set. If you want to tell AGP sexuality apart from the sexualities of other women, including cis women, you're in uncharted waters and can only guess at the best net.
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>>17857751
It looks more asthetic, moves smoother and makes one less pressired to be stoic and dominant at all times.

And i have a thing for tomboys.
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Cis women dont have erotic target location errors so theyre not AGP
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>>17857735
Lol no matter how hard you try to throw other trannies under the bus if you said the same shit as the op image you wouldn't be afforded the benefit of it being all for your partner and therefore not fetishist(because fetish shit suddenly stops being fetish shit when it involves another person?)
The terfs and just general bigots use agp as a buzzword even more than we do and you'd get labeled an agp man too.
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>>17857945
IDK you seem pretty desperate, maybe you're just a meta-attracted agp ;^)
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>>17857617
Yes actual women can’t have agp anon, there’s no need to state the obvious
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>>17870248
>AGP/HSTS
This isn't a real distinction since there are trans women who like men and are AGP
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>>17871119
So you need a different net than if differentiating AGPs in other situations.
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>>17871244
Assuming there's something to catch. The construct validity is questionable here.
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>>17871320
If you don't believe AGP exists then obviously you're going to have trouble telling what's AGP
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>>17871357
The question is bigger than that. Suppose that I discover a breed of winged dogs. The dogs I spot during my trip are black-snouted so I define the breed by its wings and black snouts. I later find out that many of the winged dogs are not black-snouted. Does recognizing this require me to deny that winged dogs exist?
Reducing the possibility space to "the typology is accurate" and "the typology is wrong about everything" forces us into an intellectually untenable position. The important bit is to get the facts about the dogs right, not to wrangle with abstract labels. "The white-snouted winged dogs aren't of interest to us, they aren't part of the breed by definition" is a poor response to "hey, how come we don't count winged dogs with snouts that are not black as part of the species? they have the same qualities." I'm not accusing you of doing that, just explaining why definitions won't help us escape the issue of construct validity.
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>>17871490
The labels are abstractions of the facts.

Of course the typology can be wrong in some ways and not others, but when the facts are different the same labels don't necessarily apply. If the typology is wrong that there's a distinction between AGP and non-AGP trans women, then that either means all trans women are AGP or the concept of AGP itself is inaccurate in some way. If AGP is common in cis women, then there's also some error in either the concept of AGP or understanding of cis women's sexuality.

I mean that we're less talking about white-snouted winged dogs and more dealing with the possibility of winged cats and non-winged dogs. If either of those exists and is part of the same breed as the winged dogs, then it's not accurate to keep calling that breed winged dogs and what the breed actually is needs to be reconsidered.
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>>17857617
And also almost all cis straight men are aap
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>>17860616
>especially the fixation on hyper-masculine, often quite "anonymous" men but a preference for feminine women
As a bi man my preference is the same lol. I have also masturbated to myself in the mirror.
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>>17860616
How tall is he?
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>>17860552
bi woman here. i do prefer masc men (gay bear types) and thic hourglass body women, which yeah i guess counts as hyperfeminine.

i think the height thing is too anecdotal. straight women on dating apps or who hook up a lot say the same shit, and it's pretty retarded. i think they just see other women making fun of short men and do the same just to fit in.

also my theory is that women who sleep around are more likely to figure out that they're bi or tell people instead of keeping it to themselves, because they don't care about it being a turnoff to a romantic partner and also have more chance to experiment. i've only had sex with one person and tell absolutely no one i'm bi irl because who cares.

>>17874746
critical is like 5'6"
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>>17875004
How AGP are you though, as a bisexual cis woman?
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>>17870550
>because fetish shit suddenly stops being fetish shit when it involves another person?
You don't know about meta-attraction?

>>17870652
Tranners are actual women.
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>>17875004
I think when cis women refer to themselves just as "women' instead of "cis women" on here it's the biggest flex. God i wish it were me
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>>17879687
Yes I wish they wouldn't do that, it's misleading and a form of appropriation really tbhon
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god, no one on here is actually HSTS I swear. That fact that you are even arguing about this on 4chan just proves how male brained you all are.



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