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1. AGPROGD: more physically androgynous, more feminine, only slightly-to-moderately AGP, could do fine without transitioning (due to not being very AGP) but got social contagion'ed by encountering the trans community.
2. Classic AGP: no more physically androgynous or feminine-acting than baseline men, sexuality is primarily or exclusively AGP, gender dysphoria developed gradually over time.

The typical trans woman on 4chan is of type 1, while the typical AMAB GD repressor on 4chan is of type 2.
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>>12678213
>2. Classic AGP: no more physically androgynous or feminine-acting than baseline men, sexuality is primarily or exclusively AGP, gender dysphoria developed gradually over time.
This is exactly me. Tall, masculine-looking. Early onset agp, it's basically my whole sexuality, never felt actually attracted to anything outside of meta attraction stuff. And I'm a repressor. Life sucks.
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>>12678213
theory: every dead blanchshit improve transwomen well being a little
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>>12678213
I'm type 2, what the hell am I supposed to do? I can't transition due to being pretty masculine, over 22, 6'1 etc etc, I'd just become a hon. Also I'd lose friends, family, job and the likes, and I'm terribly socially akward so i can't get new ones, certainly not as a fucking hon.
But I'm going insane due to depression and GD lately. I fear that doing an hero is the only way out, but I don't want to die yet. How can I repress better?
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>>12678238
That's not a theory but a hypothesis, just like blanchard's collection of anecdotes, intuition, and faulty conclusions.
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>>12678274
You don't do anything except cope with vidya and anime while other true trannies make fun of us. Such is the life.
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>>12678274
You need to save up money and move to a non-shithole, having a supportive environment is critical to well-being and mental health. If you're worried about not being able to make new friends that sucks, but you don't really have any choice
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>>12678294
Type 1 aren't "true trannies" other than the fact that they've transitioned. Their femininity doesn't come from them being born with girlbrains, but rather because if you're a masculine man, you're less likely to get ROGD'ed as it's less viable for you.
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>>12678274
i suppresed for 5 years by trying to be more masculine instead, becoming a gymbro and taking some androgens. now i want to kill myself because i will never ever pass with these wide shoulders
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>>12678299
No, I don't want to be a hon. Being a hon in a "supportive environment" (which doesn't exist in my country, so i'd probably have to move to another EU country) is still being a hon. I can't become a fucking hon, I just can't.
>You don't do anything except cope with vidya and anime while other true trannies make fun of us. Such is the life.
That's what i'm planning to do? But the lack of motivation and random depressive episodes are really hard to cope with.
>>12678316
yes, going full chadmode certainly isn't a good solution either.
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is AGP reversible?
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>>12678333
>I can't become a fucking hon, I just can't.
How is being a man not the ultimate hon? I don't get this mentality. If you truly have GD you should prefer any options that make you less male.
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>>12678342
No.
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>>12678354
As a male I hate my body but I can live in peace, have my family and friends, go about in my job and just use escapism.
As a hon i lose all the copes.
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>>12678354
>How is being a man not the ultimate hon?
if you're a man, you don't stand out
if you're a man in a dress or a permaboymoder who can't pass as cis of either sex, you do, and every encounter with strangers becomes about you being trans
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>>12678354
>>12678354
but being a hon is like being a leper in society

truly, we do live in a society

>>12678333
might have worked better if i was more successful at it. i will admit doing weightlifting until failure made the girly feels go away for about 24 hours, but you cant do weightlifting 7 days a week until failure...

the androgens just made me want to be a sissy even more despite masculinizing my body. i remember feeling like "i dont even care if these ruin my gonads, if they do it just means it's my destiny to become a sissy" and then i went and jerked off
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Do AGPs enjoy masc on masc gay porn?
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>>12678393
no. i dont even enjoy porn that shows men fucking 10/10 shemales a lot of the time
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>>12678365
>>12678370
>>12678380
So you're basically just saying your social anxiety outweighs your gender dysphoria
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>>12678393
I don't. I don't even really enjoy porn besides stuff directly related to agp.
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>>12678397
Yes, I think so. I'dSo you're basically just saying your social anxiety outweighs your gender dysphoria rather endure gender dysphoria than endure being a hon. Also there's no telling wether becoming one can fix GD anyway. But the one thing I'd like to fix above all else is my lack of motivation.
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>>12678397
becoming a hon does not cure gender dysphoria, because it feminizes some parts of your body but not others, so if your bone structure is too masculine you just end up hitting an uncanny valley-like appearance where you look like you skinned a woman and stretched her face over a male skull
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>>12678417
Which is why agps without dysphoria (and delisuonal enough) can be happy while being a hon, while dysphoric AGPs repress.
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>>12678417
It's not about curing gender dysphoria, it's about lessening it and making the best with what you have
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>>12678424
literally the opposite. non-dysphorics know being a cute girl is the endgame, GDers think being a man is a fate worse than death.
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>>12678426
Well just "lessening" GD really doesn't justify losing my friends, family, job etc, becoming an eldritch abomination, the daily embarassment of being a walking freak, and the risk of hatecrime,
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>>12678397
nah i think i might actually become a hon eventually. and then i'd probably end up killing myself when everybody treats me like a freak and from seeing myself in the mirror every day
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>>12678430
Yet non dysphorics are generally more likely to go for it anyway, while dysphorics are more likely to repress (type b)
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>>12678424
Repressing really can't be done if you're dysphoric enough. You'll be desperate in doing whatever it takes, no matter how futile, to stop seeing yourself as a man
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>>12678430
those two are not mutually exclusive, i want to be a cute girl, i dont care about being an actual biological woman, and im dysphoric and have agp
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>>12678440
It's different for literally everyone. Some people can go their entire lives with light dysphoria and never have it take over then one day have a breakdown like that 50 year old guy with a family. People are individuals and you can't really put everyone in one box or another.
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>>12678440
Not if you realize that you'd lose everything. I am dysphoric, but I don't really hate my body in itself. It's mostly a complete lack of any motivation. Which is why, even tho I kind of envy people on HRT, I don't see myself taking it.
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>>12678333
>yes, going full chadmode certainly isn't a good solution either.
btw my point was that i wish i would have just come out as a tranny then and there because at least i still looked somewhat androgenous, now i dont look very androgenous at all and have less of a chance of passing and thel onger you go the lower your chance of passing will be
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>>12678433
You clearly have problems other than GD and a better environment could help treat those as well as allow you to get your life fixed
>>12678438
Do you really believe not passing will make you unhappier than everyone seeing you as a manly man? What are you actually basing this on? It feels like you've just fallen victim to the /lgbt/ agenda
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>>12678461
>Repressing really can't be done if you're (((dysphoric enough)))
>It's different for literally everyone. Some people can go their entire lives with light dysphoria
Come on anon
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>>12678493
what is the /lgbt/ agenda?

im not sure, which is why i think i will eventually end up doing it. but i already know that when i look in the mirror and im not all dolled up and in the perfect angle i get depressed as fuck, all the anxiety that goes away for me when i let myself act and look as a woman comes back if i see myself looking like a troll. granted i do actually look good in a few angles, but its like a fat girls facebooks posts
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>>12678509
I really don't know what point you're trying to make here. That you're not trutrans unless you were trying to cut your dick off with safety scissors at 5 or something?
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>>12678516
My point is what you said doesn't make sense
I claimed it's not possible to repress if you're very dysphoric, then you say "no" and give an example of a person who is lightly dysphoric
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>>12678213
Tail. It’s you. Why aren’t you using your survey poster handle?
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>>12678535
..I have no idea whst the specifics of the case were besides him breaking down eventually. Everyone has their own personal limits and situations. Making blanket statements about everyone doesn't do anything but further ostracized and belittle others. Some people have a higher tolerance for mental anguish than others.
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>>12678493
>You clearly have problems other than GD and a better environment could help treat those as well as allow you to get your life fixed
Indeed. I'm trying on fixing my crippling lack of any motivation above all else. I mean, I'd much rather be a girl and all, but I know i can't.
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>>12678612
do you wear girls clothes all day? I found myself becoming a lot more motivated in general when i started wearing womens clothing under my male clothes
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>>12678623
No, I don't, that's an interesting idea. But I still live with my dad despite being 23, and I will until I finish my study, which is at least 3 years from now, so I don't think I can start until I have my own apartment. I definitely will try when I do. I tried crossdressing but it just felt gross, seeing myself in the mirror, with my masc face and all. But your technique sounds good.
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>>12678516
>That you're not trutrans unless you were trying to cut your dick off with safety scissors at 5 or something?
seems like a reasonable assumption desu
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>>12678633
Some things you could do that are discrete (unless someone is watching you actually do it) are things like wearing panties, wearing completely flat bras, wearing pink nailpolish on your toes, and depending on climate/environment, shaving your legs/whole body. All of these things make me feel a lot better, less anxious, more motivated, and dare i say it happy. It does keep escalating though... But it does work.

I feel gross if i would just hastely crossdress in my masc body, but if i was completely shaven, wore something sexy/fashionable, maybe had a wig and makeup on, had a feminine mindset, with the right facebook angles i actually look if not passing at least attractive, beautiful. and in some angles i could pass. That's triggers the opposite of disgust for me, it makes me euphoric.

desu i wish i could just find a loving girlfriend who wanted me to crossdress, if someone close to me who loved me could accept me i think it would be easier for me as well
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>>12678633
And trust me you don't want to wait until you're 26. I just turned 27 and these feelings have just gotten worse. It makes me want to die. If there is one thing I would change in my life is that I would go back to 21/22 year old me and tell me to just accept it, come out as a tranny, take your pills, it wont go away, and no you wont become gay by indulging in this. Btw I moved away from home at 21, and then that's when I actually started to crossdress, I wanted to do it before but wouldnt, like you, at home. But when i started doing it quickly escalated into something more but it made me so scared i did everything to repress it, which is the worst mistake of my life.
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Is this meant to make me feel even worse about repressing and ruining it all? because it is working.
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>>12678669
Idk, I'd kind of feel gross doing that, not more different than a hon... My feet are hairy and really large. This week, an uncle saw me putting on my boots and said "you call these feets? Those aren't feets, they're gargantuans!" while laughing. I'm size 11 and they're massive. Putting polish on them would feel gross, like really disgusting. As for shaving, I would shave my legs, as I really hate how hairy they are, but we're in summer, and I wear shorts, so i'd be noticed right away. My dad mocked me and called me gay for shaving my armpits once, so shaving my legs... Maybe I will, when comes winter. As for female lingerie, we have a mudshit house maid, and I live alone with my dad, so I don't think I could hide them, or justify their presence. But I'll keep it all in mind once I'm a bit more free.
My nose is so big, even with angles and stuff I doubt I'd be able to pass on pics. I just wish my fucking GD and AGP would go away. Or at least be appeased.
I could never satisfy a girl sadly. I'm not even attracted to anyone, I'm socially akward to the point where I can hardly go to the grocery store etc.
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>>12678716
This entire board is here to make you feel worse if you didn't transition straight out of preschool.
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>>12678708
>If there is one thing I would change in my life is that I would go back to 21/22 year old me and tell me to just accept it, come out as a tranny, take your pills, it wont go away,
I can't do that. I can't just lose my family, friends, proffessional perspective, basically my whole life, away, just to become a fucking hon. That would be a death sentence, simply. That's what it'd be.
>and no you wont become gay by indulging in this. I don't care about being gay. I'd much rather be gay. I can accept being gay, I can't accept being a fucking hon.
>and no you wont become gay by indulging in this.
the what would you actually recommend? Considering i've nailed the colors already and will not transition.
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>>12678729
Starting then would have been a dream, I could have been a girl through all of school. Instead I was the weird kid that no-one liked.
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>>12678213
Didn't you promise never to post here again?
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>>12678213
are type 1s more likely to be bi rofl. cuz if so thats meee lmfao i got social contagioned as heck
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>>12680301
You have to be 18 to post here.
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>>12680325
im 25. fuck thats a little embarassong i just sound retarded when i type words on my phone
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>>12678213
>there are ugly sick hons and then there are us hot girly teens
lmao
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>>12678401
>I don't even really enjoy porn besides stuff directly related to agp.
What porn does appeal to AGPs? Solo female masturbation?
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>>12680789
I'm type 2.
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autogynephilia is not that a thing and has been debunked multiple times, you people are so fucking stupid. go outside, talk to people, stop watching edgy youtube videos
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>>12683286
Most autogynephilia debunkings are shit.
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>>12683042
Tranny porn, tg stuff, gender bender hentai, hentai where you self insert as the girl, yuri stuff etc.
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>>12683467
>hentai where you self insert as the girl
So any hentai with a girl? Straight, les and solo F
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>>12683593
Hm I like str8 esp if rape. I also like yuri but I don't self insert as much, I just find it beautiful. And solo f almost doesn't exist
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>>12678213

No one fucking cares

Limp wristed gays with pretty faces >>> all AGPs

if you're not homosexual and have crushes on men YOU ARE NOT FEMININE

Forget transition and concentrate on your computer hobbies
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>>12683286
Hi Hontrapoints
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>>12683692
>Hm I like str8 esp if rape.
AGPs are so subby!



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