Everybody at the range wear earplugs, scared of getting hear damage. How soldiers, specially in WW2 didin't go completely deaf?
>>59594022They did.Hearing damage is cumulative.
>>59594022WHAT?! SPEAK UP SONNY!
>>59594022YOU HEARD FROM GEOFF? WHAT DID HE HAVE TO SAY?
>>59594022A lot did? The idea of the former artilleryman who's deaf exists for a reason.Hearing usually isn't immediately lost forever unless you completely blow out the ear drum but constant exposure sure as hell accelerates natural hearing loss. Shit like tinnitus wasn't really something anyone cared about much (just suck it up) and it was generally thought to be better to be deaf when you get older than not be able to hear now and never get to grow any older.
If most of the WW2 and vietnam vets you know and have spoken too didn't serve in frontline or secondary combat jobs, or in jobs that are close to them then they're hearing would more than likely be fine. My grandad was in the malaysian emergency and vietnam as a mechanic in RAEME (aussie mechanics) and did see some fighting as part of garrison shit and his hearing is more than fine, even at 85. It's frontline INFANTRY that get the real shit end of the stick, and even then some of them might see minimal or no combat at all. It's all one big dice throw who you speak to and what picture you paint on combat related injuries and effects because of that.
>>59594070>>59594068CONT. Forgot to say that arty and tanks also have their ears blow out pretty quick.
>>59594068>Shit like tinnitus wasn't really something anyone cared about much (just suck it up)That's unironically what's most helpful for tinnitus anyway. The more you're bothered by it, the worse the sound gets.
>>59594057>>59594036>>59594036>>59594028>>59594022They did, that's why we better be quick on R&D energy bean weapons so it starts replacing gunpowder projectiles before WW3 starts.
>>59594093Did you miss the invention of earpro?
>>59594022They did you stupid fuck, every WWII vet that I ever met that saw combat was hard of hearing way worse than others their age. My grandfather was essentially deaf without hearing aids.
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>>59594022My grandfather was nearly deaf from his time and refused any hearing aids. Was a nightmare to talk to him as a kid and I remember he always woke up all the babies in the house because he just shouted all the time
>>59594022A old friend of mine was on the army rifle team at Fort Eustis in the 1950s. They didn't wear earpro at the range or during competitions. He was deaf as a post by the time he was an old man.
>>59594022People used to see occupational injuries as inevitable. If you shoot guns you'll go deaf. If you work in a mine you'll get black lung. If you work in a factory you'll lose fingers. If you work around phosphorous your ligaments will turn into jelly.
>>59594093Are energy beans good for you?
>>59594136Based shouting vet grandpa
>>59594081Hi I'm your tinnitus
>>59594022WHAT?
>>59594171I let you fill my entire head, welcome you as a friend. For a few seconds it feels like my eardrums are about to burst from the phantasmal volume alone, until you suddenly disappear like a morning mist under the light of the sun.
>>59594022Some did, most weren't pussies though. At my range we bully people for using reddit ears.
>>59594175Hi again
>>59594171MOTHERFUCKER EVERYTIME ONE OF YOU FAGGOTS MENTIONS IT IT DOESNT GO AWAY FOR HOURS
>>59594022My great-great grandfather was a tank gunner in WW2. He died when he was only 72 and you had to yell when you talked to him and he has to read lips. My grandpa has had horrible tinnitus and hearing loss since he served in Korea, 70 years ago. It's.not some imagined problem, if that's what you're getting at.
>>59594202Thing is, once you actually accept your tinnitus and don't stress about it, it stops bothering you. Like right now I'm genuinely trying to focus on my tinnitus, but it's just this completely neutral background noise. Your suffering is self-caused and a complete skill issue.
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I had to join a private club to gain access to a firing range (Fuck New York state), and getting anyone's attention required more shouting than I expected.
>>59594022>How soldiers, specially in WW2 didin't go completely deaf?They did.
>>59594203Tinnitus. Faint ringing sound.
Do modern soldiers get this problem too?
>>59594154>People used to see occupational injuries as inevitable. If you shoot guns you'll go deaf. If you work in a mine you'll get black lung. If you work in a factory you'll lose fingers. If you work around phosphorous your ligaments will turn into jelly.This. People also had shorter lifespans. And even in recent times, long after OSHA and a lot of major labor improvement reforms, we're still learning about how all this shit and the damage we do our bodies links together and builds over the decades. Like, it wasn't until relatively recently that it became clear hearing loss significantly raises the probability of dementia. It may be that a solid chunk of the dementia older generations had and was indeed seen as "inevitable" came down to hearing loss and toxin exposure. Of course it's all probabilities, but kind of a dumb risk to take if it's not required. Losing hearing sucks anyway even if you don't go totally deaf.We're clearly better off on the fundamentals nowadays, but at the same time we've been busy brewing up new stuff. For example, it'll take a long time to learn what all the fluorine polymers we've pumped into ourselves truly do over decades even though already the initial results don't look great.Though we're also rapidly improving medical science and learning how to clean certain shit up. So who knows how those two lines will intersect on various issues.
>>59594276NYC? Which one?
>>59594175>>59594224This. It's the sweet music of the sphere's and a reassuring reminder that everything's normal. >>59594202Howdy buddy
>>59594299posting this is autistic but went to the trouble to write it and fuck if I'm going to be deterred or have any idea what nipmoots faggot filters are being set off by
>>59594321I live upstate. Enough woodsy areas that I don't feel claustrophobic, but still densely populated enough that I can't just go innawoods to shoot.
>>59594203This should helphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt8Z-5Zq_OI
>>59594136It was the opposite experience for me. Grandfather actually had hearing aids and they didn't help him one bit.Everyone who didn't know him thought he was an angry old coot but he wasn't, he was very sweet and friendly with everyone, got himself arrested once for giving food to Civil Rights protesters who were doing a sit-in because "they were hungry". He was just prone to shooting constantly because he couldn't hear himself otherwise.
>>59594203eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee take your meds eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>59594443>got himself arrested once for giving food to Civil Rights protesters who were doing a sit-in because "they were hungry".He sounds like a bad person if he gave food to terrorists.
>>59594299>>59594351To a lesser degree. Even if you have ear protection doesn't mean you have sufficient ear protection.
>>59594443My grandfather also was considered angry and such for a long time. As well as hearing turned out that for decades and decades he'd lived with a war injury that just caused him pain, like, literally almost all the time. A dull constant pain that'd occasionally flare up, and that was just his life. He still could be incredibly kind and understanding. Then when he was like, 82, he mentioned it to a doctor at last, had a quick surgery and it was gone, and he was a new man. Made me think a bit, some old folks who have sudden flashes of meanness or yelling or obliviousness or whatever people judge them for, what are their bodies really doing? Nobody from that gen every talked about anything like that.>>59594458cope and seethe fag
>>59594470>To a lesser degree. Even if you have ear protection doesn't mean you have sufficient ear protection.True, particularly for the guys doing stuff like artillery. The maximum possible over the ear earpro is like 40dB in the 1-2.5 kHz range, to go beyond that you need some sort of full head helmet protection. So if you're exposed to 175-185dB noise no level of pure ear protection is going to keep you from hearing loss, though obviously much better to have anything then nothing in terms of rolling the dice.
22 inch barrel sonny.
>>59594022Most soldiers who are/were in the military don't actually engage in combat so hearing damage is not common cause you're more than likely not in a combat zone.If you were in active combat for a sustained period, you would lose your hearing. Also, we often mistake what combat was actually like. We like to think of big bombastic battles where hundreds and thousands of soldiers are all fighting in a confined area of a few square miles but no. Most engagements even during WW2 were small firing exchanges between squadrons, until one side surrendered to the enemy or were completely killed. You likely would lose your hearing from these engagements, but you would not know until later on in life as the aging process kicks in with the damage you sustained.
>>59594315>Though we're also rapidly improving medical science and learning how to clean certain shit up. So who knows how those two lines will intersect on various issues.Unfortunately there is a large and growing presence of the population that genuinely believes these medical benefits are evil and must be stopped.
>>59594458Shut up retard. Have respect for yourself
>>59594022Kek. When I was a kid in the 90s you couldn't go a commercial break without some hearing aid ad aimed at Greatest Generation viewers. They did all go deaf.
>>59595702>Unfortunately there is a large and growing presence of the population that genuinely believes these medical benefits are evil and must be stopped.Meh. It's not THAT large in absolute terms, not even vaguely close to large enough to actually screw anyone but themselves for everything but plagues. And the thing is a lot of them are retards like that because they're young to middle aged and still get to indulge in the idea that they're all super tough and nothing will ever happen to them or if it does "it's no big deal". They're all going to age just like the rest of us, and most are going to discover that getting older actually kinda sucks. That accidents and misfortune can happen to anyone, either direct or those they love. Then>"oh, well uh, maybe these medical advancements are actually good now that it's for me but I wasn't wrong opposing it for others before because it was worse before or something mumblemumble"and it'll peter out. A lot of people also reflexively oppose anything new and different, but eventually it becomes normal and they're distracted opposing the next new and different thing. I'm not worried about R&D on hearing loss at all, it's not politicized and cuts across the entire population too evenly. Although if anything it probably leans right just because I bet the gun community overall sees more of it than the population average.
>>59594443>shooting constantlyno wonder ppl thought he was mean
>>59595722If you had any respect for yourself you’d hate the civil rights movement too. It was obviously a disaster for whites and blacks don’t seem to be very happy about trying to share a country with whites either.Since it was just bad for everyone, why would you defend it?
>>59594490Hopefully you get caught in the middle of a BLM riot soon. It sounds a bit gruesome to me but apparently that’s what you want.
>>59594022I knew this day would come, I'm sorry you never got to meet WW2 vets anon, most were deaf.
>>59594022>How soldiers, specially in WW2 didin't go completely deaf?I guess you're too young to have a grandpa that served in WW2I had one who was a MG42 gunner and his hearing sure was completely fucked
>>59596488>Hopefully you get caught in the middle of a BLM riot soon.I hope an American made warhead kills you.>It sounds a bit gruesome to me but apparently that’s what you want.What I want is for you to suffer a gruesome death and the sooner the better. You're either a freedom hating traitor (if you're American), or a vatnik/poo/chink tourist.
>>59594443Grandcuck
>>59594203I've had my government issued Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee for over 20 years...it only gets louder friendo.
>>59596624All of those options are wrong but why do you think freedom is synonymous with living with blacks? Your people is worse off by trying to have them in your society. My people is suffering now too because we’re imitating USA by making our country diverse.
>>59596624America will resemble South Africa in the future thanks to men like your grandfather.
>>59595702No refunds vaxxie
>>59594093>we better be quick on R&D energy bean weaponsenergy bean weapon is just a euphemism for my asshole after taco bell
>>59597135Protesting authoritarian government is a core American right, and an old man doing a bit of kindness for some folks getting shat on but some subhuman /pol/nig is disgusting just like their endless sucking of tsar monke's dick.>>59597168Your ancestor /pol/nigs are the entire cause of the issue in the first place. Filthy neoconfederate traitors. I'm glad my ancestors defeated you before you could breed yet more slaves and just sorry Sherman and co didn't finish the job and exterminate every single last slaver and traitor when we had the chance. The superior North was way, way too kind to the southern filth.
>>59594299There is a hard cap on how much protection ear plugs and muffs can offer (I think around 37 db) because the sound also travels though your skull. So any noise lound enough will fuck your hearing up, even with ear pro. And there are a ton of noises on the battlefield that are still way too loud, even with ear pro (tanks firing, bombs going off etc.).
>>5959783940-ish dB is the low point, then I think up to 53dB at very high frequencies and 51 at low. Something like that, I have a skull attenuation graph from NIOSH or some agency around if I can find it, but it's not uniform. Though unfortunately peak noise for firearms is around the low point of skull attenuation. But even if earpro could offer 50dB uniformly, cumulative exposure per day on the battle field could still be high enough to cause major damage. Somewhere around 140dB might be the point of "you immediately lose hearing from even milliseconds of exposure" but not like you should be listening to 130dB for more then a few seconds a day either.Of course, it's still way better to be exposed to a 180dB noise with 30-40dB of earpro then nothing. Losing some high freq hearing is better than EEEEEEEEEEE or losing everything. And the military does have full head protection for some roles that can beat the skull limit, like for aircraft carrier deckmen.
>>59594093I'm kind of looking forward to the advancements in eye medicine that will come out of WW3
>>59597910>I'm kind of looking forward to the advancements in eye medicine that will come out of WW3R&D on cyborg eyes and implants is proceeding along at a pretty solid clip already anon. Lots of people go blind or suffer major eye damage for a variety of reasons and even more than hearing would desperately, desperately love to have vision back. I know they brain implants that could do a basic grid (like, 60x40) of light/dark spots maybe 11 years ago or so IIRC, did a research project on it. Obviously miles from real vision but it was good enough to let people do some slow reading and navigate a room. I assume it's improved a ton since then.
>>59594022>ww2They did, lol. Why else do you think old people that serve often have hearing problems? Soldiers now have proper protection against hearing damage than before.
>WHAT YOU SAY?
