Is the p226 shit? Or is it one of those older reliable models?
>>59593029Burt are p229 and p226 any good
How reliable is the Kimber Micro 9? Am I going to get shit on with malfunctions if I get one?
>>59593005i had that gun in my hand once and the owner and me werent strong enouth to pull the slide back, someone knows why? And no that guy wasnt weak, hes very strong from construction working
>>59593016The P226 is one of the main "Wonder Nines" that paved the way for the eventual dominance of 9mm, along with the 92FS, CZ-75, and Glock 17
>>59593005>dad filenameIs that a legion model? Looks like a regular p226 in nitron.
>>59593005based thread theme, i can forgive you for forgetting the pastebinsin the world of hammer fired 9s, 226 >>>> 92fight me
>>59593542no, maybe because it was a former police gun? We got it at some point and lubed her up but that didnt made it alot better. That bitch jammed so hard that he bought a wheeler to kill read deer IMAO
>>59593016>Is the p226 shit?It's a great gun, during the army M9 trails it outpreformed the berretta in reliability by several hundred rounds without stoppage but cost a bit more so they chose what became the berretta M9 instead.The issue is that they are currently very expensive for what they are. $900 for the stock model is kind of crazy for what you get considering the Arex Zero 1s is $469 and every bit as good. The SOA Sig legions and other fancy 226 versions are incredible pistols, really really spectacular triggers and ergos from what I've felt, but they are also like $1300 so ya get what you pay for.
>>59593005AAAAAAAAAA STACCATO BUILD MY PISTOLS
is there any gun as cool and interesting as the Mk23? I'm not even trying to shill it, I'm genuinely asking. I got a little bonus at work and trying to figure out what to buy. ever since I bought the Mk23 I haven't found a handgun as cool as it to obsess over. is this it? is this the handgun endgame (for me)? the only thing I can think of is just a USP 45 tac, but in the end it's basically just the mark 23 again but smaller, but not small enough to conceal carry so no points over the Mk23 for me.
>>59594100It's just an oversized USP that got it's claim to fame from Metal Gear Solid and US SOCOMI like it and would like to own it one day but it's nothing special in my opinion
>>59594100Its a massive meme like 90s experimental Russian guns, but its still interesting as a concept and it helped decelop the modern tactical pistol.
I like my P226. I had to change out the slide release for a Legion one because my grip held it and it wouldn't lock back on empty. I have the SRT kit installed, debating on a Gray Guns trigger.
Why is the M17 so fugly, but chop the tip of its dick off and it becomes aesthetic?
>>59594495That's a sexy ass pistol. What suppressor is that?
>>59594131USP is just a smaller MK23 with simplified controls and trigger group
>>59594612It looks like a toy version of a 1911
>>59593005>p226best handgun ever created
>>59594831It's good but it's no 92FS
>>59594788But it's a more practical gun that can actually being concealed
Even Solid Snake traded out his Mk23 for a USP
Why buy a 226 when you could get an M9 or CZ 75?
>>59594831>>59594846Both at auction soon, can only bid on oneWhich?
>>59594612Keep airsoft guns out of this thread.
>>59595069>no airsoft gun ever shot me in leg
>>59595058Both guns shoot almost identically well so the real question is do you want the gun that's in Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, and every Chow Yun Fat movie, or the gun of Fox Mulder in X-Files and Murphy's gun in Robocop before he becomes Robocop?
What should I know about 1911s before owning one? Drills, carrying one cocked and locked or half cocked, maintenance, operating controls, etc.I’ve had some trigger time with a range rental, and is probably my favorite full size handgun to shoot. 92FS is a very close second but I can’t count shots that high when shooting.t. No gunz
>>59595122The 92FS also takes the Performance trigger
>>59595122Didn’t do Murphy any good, he switches to a Beretta when he becomes Robo
>>59595003Because I already have the CZ 75 and BHP and want to own all the classic wondernines
>>59595058idk. i have one of each they are both great.their magazines are damn near interchangeable, lol
>>59595140They were made during an age when fitment was important so they are more finicky than modern guns. Watch a video of one being field stripped and cleaned. That said they were made as GI guns so you don't need to clean them excessively although they do appreciate being lubed up regularly.Most of the problems with 1911s come from using shitty magazines so you don't want to buy the cheapest options. Chip McCormick mags are cheap for the performance you get from them.Also the general consensus seems to be to either get a cheap 1911 or an expensive one because the midrange ones are all too quirky or dodgy while the cheap ones are getting good now so you either shell out for the heirloom quality or just get the beater edition.
>>59595058Both are great, you’re basically choosing between pizza and hamburgers.
I want a DA/SA for dryfiring practice, and Id like a compact one so that rules out the m9.Do I want a CZ P01 or do I want an arex?I hear CZ75 based pistols such as P01 have a spring that breaks after only a few thousand DA trigger pulls and there is no real fix for it. Is it really that bad? Is the P226/Arex better in this regard?
>>59595122>Robocop Such a good movie. Clarance Boddicker is such an underrated villain.
>>59595247The Robocop theme is so rousing and heroic it's unreal
>>59595058tough choice. id say you will be well pleased with either gun.out of the two on auction your looking at, if we consider all other things about them being "equal" does one or the other have a feature you want and the other doesnt?like are they both smooth dust cover? or are they both have railed dust cover?does one have a smooth dust cover and the other have a rail?idk what to tell you other than, if it was me, i would pretend they are the same type of gun and jd try to identify if one has some optional feature you prefer over the other, like trigger or sights, grips, whatever
>>59595185Neat, thanks. What would qualify as mid-range? The rental I shot was a S&W 1911 and the range offers Sig 1911s as well for sale. I can afford something in the $1000-$1500 range, but if it’s just better to get an RIA or a Wilson Combat I might have to rethink my choices a bit.
Do you guys have any tips for countering flinch when shooting? Caught myself doing it the other day, I haven’t had a lot of range time lately so the solution might just be “shoot more lol”.
>>59595259I have no idea lol I only have the list but no pictures
>>59595140Carry cocked and locked. With a factory new 1911, clean and lube every 50 rounds. After that, keep the moving parts lubed and clean when dirty (I clean every 200 rounds now). Grease vs lube doesn’t matter, but I prefer FP10 lube on my rails. The 1911 is kinda hard to take down the first few times but you’ll get used to it.
>>59595270Midrange is considered anything below Dan Wesson, so Kimber, Springfield, etc. S&W 1911s are very good if you can pay below MSRP, which is often. I hear good things about Savage 1911s too. Dan Wesson is the gold standard. I'd avoid Kimber and Sig because you can't trust what's in there due to their cost cutting BS.RIA and Tisas are the best low end 1911s. Palmetto State Armory has also come out with a new line of $500 1911s which are made by RIA and look decent.
>>59595274Mix snapcaps with live rounds in your magazine. If you flinch when your gun doesnt actually fire you can catch it a lot better.
>>59595274Dry fire practice
>>59595292A Dan Wesson Specialist is probably the best non-custom 1911 you can buy
>>59595309Yes, with Dan Wesson you're getting practically a custom gun, for way less money.
>>59595291I should say grease vs oil** instead of grease vs lube
>>59595274The solution is literally shoot more. My flinch went away after maybe 3000 rounds
>>59595295This also has the benefit of being a malfunction drill. If you're the kind of autist who wins all memory games you can bribe a range buddy to load the maga for you.
>>59595270900-1200 is mid range, 1500 is the low end of handfit guns like Dan Wesson, Savage is making handfit(?) high quality guns targeted at Dan Wesson level for 1200 or so. Dan Wesson has an alloy 1200 dollar option. S&W is a good choice for mid range, there’s some bad options in that area, it’s not a true 1911 but the things it does differently can be arguably be improvements like the firing pin block actuated by the grip safety that makes it more drop safe without impacting trigger feel or the external external extractor
>>59595283well now that i'm thinking about it more, and revisiting my pics. i could add. maybe i do prefer the P226 over the 92 if only because the decocker is on the frame, as opposed to the 92 with the saftey/decocker mounted on the slide.a very minor thing and completely non-issue if you properly train for battery of arms with your choice of weaponbut theres another difference in that, the P226, at least in nine, is a decocker only and does not function as a safety. im fine with thatwhile the 92, at least on mine, is a safety/decocker combined. which is also fine. just slightly different
>>59593037Love me 229. Now thats a real mans gun
>>59595295>>59595274Adding to this, start with a mag with all snap caps. Eventually you will be pulling the trigger on them with no flinch. At that point you add 1 live bullet to your mag. Go through that until you consistently fire that 1 bullet with no flinch. Then start adding more live bullets.
>>59595347It's no 1911 with 8 rounds of America's Caliber.Now if you'll excuse me I need to pick up some Monster white on my way back home from Lowe's.Posted from my iPhone via TapaTalk
>>59595337>the P226, at least *on mine,*
>>59595360>Posted from my iPhone via TapaTalkzoomer detected
>>59595236Do not buy slavshit, get a real sig
>>59595395real sig died years ago
>>59595236Px4 storm compact.
>>59595395But real sig p226/p229's are still out there.
>>59595274Get a red dot. I recently became a gun owner and my shots were all over the place. Just spend $300 on an holosun eps and you will get a great ROI. You can clearly see how you’re messing up your shots when you use an optic. I went from shooting low and left to punching holes exactly where the dot was when I was pulling the trigger in one session. Get you a red dot son.
>>59595360Yep._______USMC WATERDOG 84-85 USPS 86-16If you can’t do it with six you aren’t going to do it with sixteen Those who trade freedom for temporary security deserve neither - John Wayne
>>59595395>>59595400buy Sigs that were made in West Germany.its the only way to be sure
>>59595337I have no big preference either way, I have handled a 92FS before but never once a P226
Why is it that all old guys who shoot 1911s so identical that people can mock them this accurately with such a specific and detailed stereotype?
>>59595417"Those who trade anime waifus for gold deserve neither."- Benjamin Franklin
>>59595446The same will be said about our generation with glocks.
>>59595464But there is no stereotype for people who use Glocks because Glocks are used by everyone from tacticool operator faggots to retarded small town cops to dudes who are practically noguns because they bought a Glock for home defense and will never fire it in their entire life.
We should compile a dossier on the personalities of people who own X gun or use X brand of gun. Ethnic demographic, favorite food, soda preference, taste in music, anime enjoyer status.What's the stereotype for 92 owners?
>>59595498In 20-30 years I could see glocks get left so far behind if they dont do something like change the mag design that they become the gun for old fucks who dont want whatever discount turkshit/khyber pass striker 9mm is popular amongs gen Alpha that has to finance housing rentals.
>>59595441ok for your sake i am now fondling my W. German P226 and my Italian police surplus 92while they are more or less the same size gun with very similar form and function. The P226 feels a little more svelte, smooth and natural in my hand. Compared to the 226, the 92 feels just slightly more blocky, chunky, less natural to hold and grip.that's just me. could have something to do with the material and texture and style of the grips.(stock grips on both guns btw)i know you can get aftermarket grips for both that my change this feel and the ergos
>>59595236Supposedly, the trigger return spring was redesigned for the CZ Shadow 2 and can last 50k DA dryfires (vs 2k-5k for the stock one) and can be used in regular CZ75s and derivatives
>>59595395Are Czechs even slavs? I’ve never considered them Slavs
>>59595520>stereotype for 92 owners?classic 70s sportscar, spaghetti, cigarettes, loose fitting gabardines, and soft leather loafers
>>59595417>>59595447"I came to see big tiddy anime girls, not a row of faggots"-Augustus
>>59595572I think hes referring to arex not cz
>>59595295>>59595324>>59595348>>59595413>>59595308Thanks boys, I’ll give the snapcap thing a try, and I’ve gotten lazy about dryfiring so time to put in the work on that front.I’m sure l’ll eventually be a dot guy but all my gats would have to be sent off for milling, and I’d rather spend on ammo or caving on the next impulse buy.>>59595545I see people say that about the 92 but it’s always felt very sleek to me, but I have big hands. The HK .45 pistols are the only pistols I’ve handled that felt chunky.LGS had a P320, seemed like a neat little gun.
>>59595545Which one has a more vertical grip angle?
>>59595425So is Coomoil, never buy from east germany if you find one!
>>59594131>>59594271yes.>interesting history>interesting experimental weapon>father of modern tactical pistols >Metal gear solid>Xbox huegthere's 5 layers of cool to this gun off the top of my head. what other gun has this much? maybe a desert eagle, but no way I'm spending like $3 a round on 50ae.speaking of, does anyone know any flashlights/lasers that would work WITHOUT an adapter on the mark 23? Ive seen/heard of some flashlight laser combos that are compatible with the HK universal mount, but idk which of those would fit the mark 23 since most of those say they're for the USP, and I think the USP rail is a bit thinner than the mark 23 one
>>59595618>people say that about the 92yeah i didn't want to make a big deal out of it because io know its just my own feel for it. the 92 doesn't seem excessively large or blocky. just slightly less svelte than my 226. its a minor difference.i have long fingers, but medium size hands i guess.the most blocky chunky pistol i ever owned was a FN 45. full size, double stack 45 that thing was pretty dang chunky and blocky
>>59595774That gun is unironically worse than the Desert Eagle because it's about as large, to shoot .45, while being less iconic and less unique. It doesn't have the swappable barrels or the gas operated recoil system or a massive top rail, it's just an oversized .45. The Mk23 is a meme and it's only notable for being Solid Snake's gun, in 1 game.
>>59595774> maybe a desert eagle, but no way I'm spending like $3 a round on 50ae.Get a .357 or .44 deagle then
CZ P01 for $550 good price?Time to become the hipster
>>59595881>The Mk23 is a meme and it's only notable for being Solid Snake's gun, in 1 game.I remember using the MK23 to some great satisfaction in SOCOM US Navy Seals II.
>>59596004You just missed psa selling them for $500 lol
realized the bobcat has a 1/2x28 thread so I can put AR muzzle devices on it while I decide on a suppressor for shits n gigglesSo any suggestions on suppressors or brakes etc?Why? Why not? (pic not mine)
>>59596004Save ten dollars, be free of the rail antichrist, and become a PCR chad
>>59596096Put a birdcage on it
>>59596183Don't people like the rail because it looks more aggressive?
>>59596291i like the smooth dust cover.but sometimes i wish my pistol had a rail for mounting a light and a laser
>>59596291You wouldnt have to look aggressive if you actually were aggressive
>>59596183Ignore this man, get the rail one so you can try mantis and shit
>CZ, one of the most established gun makers in the world, with its Shadow 2 dominating all competitions, with its flagship handgun the second most copied in history, and which has grown large and powerful enough to buy Colt>hipsterHow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjFkrS-nLWY&t=59s&ab_channel=FischerDevelopment>tfw no slab suppressor for my glocklife is suffering
>>59596391On a plastic gun this seems really dumb, just puts all the weight up front
>>59596409You have to counter it by getting some kind of weighted brass magwell sleeve + mag extensions at which point it becomes nice to shoot
>>59596377I thought colt is who bought cz
>>59596455colt has been on the verge of bankruptcy for literally a hundred and fifty years, they couldn't wrangle up the funds to buy a used nissan, much less a company
I told myself once I pass my CPA exams I'm getting a staccato 2011 for the cloutAlso good as a bit of motivation since I wasn't really sure I even wanted to take them
Are steel/aluminum Glock mag extensions really worth $40 or is Tyrant Designs just being Tyrant Designs? I can buy two polymer extensions for the price of one of theirs
>>59596183>gayass LCIHard fucking pass
>>59596531idk about tyrant designs, but all of the competitive shooters I see shooting Glocks use Taran Tactical extensions, which, despite the cringe gunbunny marketing and obese owner, are very well reviewedI want to say those extensions run around 3-040 bucks too
>>59596545Can you put a P01 slide on a PCR frame?That would also solve the less standard rear sight variant the pcr has
>>59596570>first result is a plate with a gay skull slapped on itHonestly 19+1 is still a shitload of capacity so I might just get the official Glock extensions. Chasing 23-24 is small gains for that amount of money and looking like my dad
>>59596377Because redditors love them, simple as
>>59596603If you need more than 6 bullets get a sword.
>>59596692I have an M7 bayonet, does that count?
>>59595058both are good I prefer the 92
>>59593037Yeah>>59595236You may be thinking of the firing pin retaining pin, which can be damaged after a few thousand dry fires. Trigger return springs can break just like Beretta but not with so few pulls>>59595464>youngsters>shooting or even owning gunsI don't think so Tim lol the subsection here is just a tiny percentage of zoomerinos most of whom just want charge they phone and listen to soundcloud """"""""""""artists"""""""""""">>59596096If you want something specifically for that how about one of those extremely long skinny silencers for a meme? Like the Thompson Machine NDK or CZ's Rimfire/AB Little Bird.
>>59596312Looking aggressive can be a challenge for some. It’s just best to maintain composure and refrain from escalating.
>>59596808>You may be thinking of the firing pin retaining pin, which can be damaged after a few thousand dry fires. Trigger return springs can break just like Beretta but not with so few pullsTrigger reuturn spring, and the problem is they break much faster with DA pulls on CZs. That's why you read people who say theyve fired like 20k rounds with no issue (because they dont dryfire so only very few pulls were DA) and people who dryfire says they break after just a few thousand pulls (because they are all DA)Comp shooters regularly say they replace the trigger return spring every 5000 rounds, I think you see a much higher number for that on berettas or other wonder 9 DASAs.
>>59596741I'm that guy and I don't actually like the Performance all that much unless it's got the thicker grips
>>59596870That doesn't sound so bad on the surface but I'm starting to get P320 fatigue with CZs. Death by a thousand flaws
>>59596895Yeah basically its only a problem if you dryfire all day.The firing pin retaining pin problem also only happens with dryfiring and is solved with a newer floating pin type or just stuffing an ear foamie in front the hammer when dryfiring.
Are SP2022s "Forgotten Weapons"?
>>59596906>Yeah basically its only a problem if you dryfire all daySo it’s only a problem if you do a basic function almost every other handgun can do, and that’s essential for training and practice?
CZ hipsters btfo again
>>59596870Beretta recommends a 5k interval rounds fired on the trigger return spring for reliability, but with aftermarket silicon chrome springs you won’t have any issue at past that. It’s a cheap part and you might as well just replace it every 5k Wolf gun springs made a linear spring replacement for the Beretta that doesn’t ever need replacing at the request of the border patrol
>>59596935Go run some miles you fat ogre
>>59596952Sure, but I'm talking about what end users say. I simply can't find any accounts of the springs failing under extensive dryfire with berettas or sig DA/SAs like I do with CZs.
>>59596912Try the SP2009It's also an anime gun for the discerning anime connoisseur
>>59596930CZ enjoyers actually shoot their guns.
>>59596870what trigger return spring?
>>59597006Badly, since they have poor trigger control because dryfire breaks their guns.
>>59593016its fine. the decocker lever is in an annoying spot tho and really feels superfluous.
>>59597030Isn't there some flaw with those? I don't want to dig around the webzone but I remember there's some reason those aren't popular, like they break easily or something or they jam up
>>59597030Idk what gun that is
>>59597031that must be why the cz shadow is so unpopular in uspsa
>>59597040its the opposite, the dinky coil spring that comes in normal berettas will eventually snap and is considered a consumablethis device is meant to replace it and is more durable, but it requires fitting and polishing if you dont upgrade to a metal trigger
>>59597049That and the fact that those go off on their own.
>>59597049Someone earlier in the thread said shadow 2s have a different return spring from the rest of the cz75 pool
>>59597040More like they’re 20 dollars while trigger return springs are much cheaper
Fighter anon here. My arm is healing nicely. Thanks to whoever recommended a snubnose revolver. Been one handing a Kimber K6 357. Gotta love it. Also, anyone who complains about recoil is unironically just a pussy who's never been in a fight or to the gym. My hands only start hurting after like 5 cylinders.
What is the most fun pistol you have shot?
Reminder that cz p01's "nato testing" isnt realThere is no nato pistol testing standardIt was all marketing"NATO approved" only means it has a NATO inventory number, which 40 million other mundane items such as office supplies have. It does not mean it passed any kind of strict testing regimen.
>>59597151Better than nusig, aka American federal contract gun. CZ deserves only praise for superior craftsmanship btw
>>59597099the K6s is considerably heavier than other revolvers of the same size. It handles 357 way better than literally anything else, which is cheating.
>>59597132Probably my 686 when loaded with .357That thing makes heads turnI've been very happy with my new Mark IV Hunter as well
Should I keep buying 147 grain ammo or step down to 124 for my Glock 17? If it were a 19 or subcompact I would've already done it, but since it's not I'm not sure
>>59597058No, there is definitely some huge flaw with the Wolff trigger unit, I remember reading about it. Curse you for making me go look. People are saying they can be or become gritty and they don't work with plastic coated triggers for some reason. So I think for people who are trying to improve the triggers, the possibility of it feeling worse is not worth spending more>inb4 mine feels fine>>59597132This thing no question! 16 rounds of silenced .22 on tap with a red dot is fantastic fun>plink plink plink plink plink plink plink plink plink plink plink plink plink plink plink plink The only time I don't bring it to the range is when I'm bringing another .22 in it's place lol>>59597242Huh? Buy whatever's cheapest. Or what are you asking about, defensive ammo?
>>59597267yes, the flaw is it doesnt work with plastic triggers.that is literally nothing, if you arent also upgrading your trigger you deserve to "suffer" the added friction or the ten seconds it takes to scrape off the plastic causing grittiness
>>59597267Defensive. I have a mix of Federal HSTs and Sig V-Crowns. I have about a thousand rounds of practice ammo
>>59597283I believe those are two separate issues but I'm not going to go reopen 15 tabs and look into it a second time. People clearly decided the Wolff spring isn't worth the squeeze>>59597290Ah my bad then. I'm still operating on 10 year old info but I went with 147gr for 9mm back then as Winchester Ranger was one of the top choices at the time. I think weight isn't much of a factor anymore since they have HP technology so dialed in to velocity that they can make special loads for windshield penetration and short barrels. I believe if you stick to the big names weight doesn't really matter, and while I'm making shit takes I don't think +P matters eitherHST is fantastic, one of if not the best. Sig V-Crowns were very highly reviewed on their introduction because they were a novel design that seemed to perform with the big 3* but since I think it's been discovered that crimping isn't very good and I can't remember but I think there was something else about them. Poor expansion through thick clothing? Shoot I don't remember that may not be it but something is tickling my memory.*Gold Dot, Ranger, HSTtl;dr If I ever run out of 147gr Ranger I'll swap to 124gr standard pressure HST
Just how baderino is the EFLX? I've heard it ain't good
>>59597373Aaron Cowan had 3 of them, 2 lost zero but none broke. I don't think I've seen him say another optic ever lost zero in his tests unless a lens fell out.
>>59597192I am with you on the G40 being a joy to shoot. Especially with a red dot it never fails to get me to smile at the range.
>>59597336>after looking through 15 tabs and not finding any evidence of any problems i still swear there is a problem and my conclusion is actually opposite of my findingsthis is the drop safety thing again burt, take the L and take another photo of something with a big mac
>>59593157I saw a bunch of reviews on Micro 9 when I was shopping for a subcompact, and I don't remember seeing any of them having malfunctions. Went with the P938, though, because Kimber feels like a woman's brand and SIG is more serious.
>>59595255HE IS A ROBOTHE IS A COPHE IS A ROBOCOP
>>59597132My Zpap 92
>>59597484>straw manning againThere are plenty of posts saying they're gritty and also don't work with plastic triggers, I don't have one and don't care
>>59596183Pathetic.Porque no los dos?
say something nice about my new pistol
>>59597877Looks like fun, I want one. You gonna get a grip module with better texture?
>>59593005>da/sa triggerInto the trash.
>>59597877Do they sell them with RMRs and X300s or do literally everyone who owns one just puts those on
>>59597132.357 revolver is pretty fun to shoot1911 is fun to shoot
>>59597922were you born stupid?or did you have to work at it your whole life?
>>59597970>were you born stupid?Not as stupid as the engineer who designed it.>>59597973Pastanigger cope
>>59597949I had an X300 sitting around and I stuck an RMR on it because I don't particularly like the enclosed optics, the RMR HD overhangs the breech face by too much and besides a Holochink or Sig Romeo 2 I don't really think I have another option for a durable red dot>>59597921The grip felt fine to me in the 100 rounds I fired today but it's nice that the option is there and I'll keep my eyes open
>>59597949>cultured enough to buy the best gun possible>also cultured enough to put the best optic and light possibleits not very hard
Ivory or FDE Lok grips?>>59595274Get a 22>>59595337>while the 92, at least on mine, is a safety/decocker combinedThat’s easily fixed. >>59596004Would>>59597877Peak carry/duty gun
>>59597949RMR and X300 is a classic combo that arguably is the nicest looking set of accessories on a pistol that are also very easy to find holsters for.
>>59597994>Needs a striker gun because training badYou weren't going to hit what you were aiming at anyways Grug.
>>59597877Stinky Staccato, post DEAGLE
>>59598149>You weren't going to hit what you were aiming at anyways Grug.Sovlfag cope, and I prefer DAO triggers btw.
>>59598198>I prefer DAO triggers btw
>>59593335Recoil spring binding from retarded re-installation
I want a red dot for my APX carry, preferably not one made in China. Are there any red dots that fit the bill with a Shield RMSc footprint that are worth a damn?
>>59595273>want a 92FS>but with this this bluing and plum patinaI mean Bruniton is actually a good finish, but these are sex-o tier.
>>59598350Gonna ask him to buy it for 100€, hope its not more than that with stupid surprices
>>59598405>>59598361Sig Romeo-X Compact is """"""made in the US"""""". I saw b roll footage of the production line where the bodies at least are actually milled in the US, but I doubt the electronics are made here. Anyway it's as close as you can get with modern technology. Shields and JPoints being super old tech and the other US made pistol optics not fitting the RMS footprint.https://youtu.be/ugg5ih--9pA?si=PHbw9SsCE1TN1BEz&t=374
>>59595417Heck yeah brother!I saw a youngin' with one of them Heckler and Glock at the range. He may have been hitting the X-ring, but you know what they say about a .45 never shrinking. I offered to let him try my COLT Series 80, but he was intimated by AMERICAN STEEL!--------------------------------------------US Army 92G 1999-2001"DEATH FROM WITHIN"Lazy Creek Country Club Security 2001-2020FOUND ON ROAD DEADI wish I was the person my dog thinks I am
>>59596183>Not wanting to be the light shining in darknessGO AWAY SATAN!
>>59597030Based Wolff TCU bro>in all my Spaghetti blasters>>59597006>Shoots 50 rounds>Spends an hour talking about how great his CZ is while others shoot
Berettas are based
>>59598608Based on what?
Beretta bump for based
>>59598608>>59598662Take a hike spaghetti suckers this ONE thread doesn't involve you!
>>59593005Anyone know if Glock gen 5 MOS iron sights are compatible with previous gens? Some reason not finding consistent answers online. I always wanted a fun range toy with bomar sights so I'm interested in these but the company doesn't respond to emails when I ask..https://kensight.com/glock-kensight-sight-trijicon-tritium-insert-night-sights-ramp-front-sight/https://kensight.com/glock-kensight-sight-trijicon-tritium-insert-night-sights-ramp-front-sight/If anyone has a Gen 5 can comment...
>>59598699I don’t have a P226 yet. Gonna get me P938 soon though.
>>59598699>Sig from (((Cohen))) era>Pepsi>TripfagGoddamnit Burt
>>59597207It isn't as heavy as the sp101 though.
>>59596377cope ain't nobody copying CZ garbage
>>59597994Engineers be getting high on the job baka
>>59598714If it's any consolation I never bought another Penis
I HATE THE ANTICHRISTI HATE THE ANTICHRISTI HATE THE ANTICHRIST
>>59598390Yo how do I order your oil?
>>59598755A man can have a good time in Vegas when he has two dongs desu>tfw want to go to Battlefield Vegas and just shoot all the SMGs because of our faggot ass NFA bullshit.
>>59596096flaming pig or any surefire with a warden.
>>59598361How are you liking the Carry, anon?Tell us about it. Pics, too.
>>59593005Taurus bro checking in. Fuck Taurus 627 Tracker and a Gp100 357mag is the way to go! >not locked upsolid>locked upeven more solid>accuracy >impeccable at 7 yards>$700 worth it?yes!
>>59598208>>59598251Practice more, fingerlets.
>>59598955Nice anon, you can’t go wrong with a GP100
>>59598419Looks like a decent optic, I think that would work. At least its not wholly made in the Xi kingdom>>59598900Probably the best 200 dollars I've ever spent, the trigger is not great but it feels solid and it had no issues on the range, still waiting on a holster though
>>59598988>filename apx>clearly a nano in disguise Not today Giuseppe.
Herro Cean I pray too ?
>>59598789Yes the KING shall RETVRN
>>59598983Now since I fired it a few times, I HAVE to say that it has TINY bit of play with the cylinder locked up. (all equal and nothing like my POS Taurus 627) Accuracy isn't effected at all from 18rnds I've shot theough it but accuracy is definitely change from 357 to .38 though but by a half inch or less.
>>59599128What does our resident antichrist hater wield for a sidearm?
>>59599130is a miniscule amount of cylinder play normal for a gp100? and I mean you can hear it but not really see it when using two fingers to wiggle it
>>59599148Ruger super gp100 7 shot 357, scoped>>59599161Yes that is normal
>>59599130>>59599161Yeah it’s normal, even my Match Champion has it.
>>59597336>Ah my bad then. I'm still operating on 10 year old info>I believe if you stick to the big names weight doesn't really matterYea, might just wanna keep the sweeping opinions to yourself then man, ammo companies are notorious for making unannounced design changes even to duty loads. A great example would be this line of ammo right here that you brought up, since around 2018 or 2019(iirc on the year) HST significantly changed the design of their 147gr offering without announcement or notification. Specifically they introduced a second cannelure(reminiscent somewhat of some hornady designs) to the projectile meant to help retard expansion and increase reliability of performance through auto glass. Supposedly this was at the request of some major LEAs. A side effect of this was an increase in the velocity needed for reliable expansion, an increase significant enough that the bullets fail to expand a significant amount of the time out of 3ish" bbls which a significant amount of people use for CC. Nobody knew that thousands if not tens of thousands of people were now carrying extra expensive hardball until some people like chuck haggard shot newer batches out of subcompacts into gel and noted the change in performance.Bullets/ammo are a whole subject unto themselves, one just as complicated and frequently much murkier than firearms themselves due to manufacturers lack of transparency.
>>59599185Holy shit is that Mike's sniper rifle from Better Call Saul?
>>59599185>>59599213ok good to know! Thanks for the info! dudesssss I love this revolver lol why I bought a Taurus I have no idea
>>59598775Only webshop rn is Moka Raifus
>>59599278The reason for the tiny amount of play in the cylinder is to make the revolver more durable. It increases system tolerance. >buying TaurusThat's like buying a Hyundai. Some people have to learn their lesson about buying cheap shit, the hard way. Otherwise they'll never learn.
peanut oil is my favorite
>>59599306>>buying Taurus >That's like buying a Hyundai. Some people have to learn their lesson about buying cheap shit, the hard way. Otherwise they'll never learn.yeah never again dude. learned the hard way but hey, I learned.
>>59599214That sounds like an exception rather than the rule and little tiny 9mms with especially short barrels are pretty new to see widespread use but literally what do I know (not much)Are they just expecting stuff designed for 4-5" barrels to perform the same out of 3" barrels for which new types of ammo have already been developed? The Shield became super popular when it was introduced about 10 years ago when I was investigating ammo, maybe I just ignored Shield videos and paid attention to G19 and larger sized test pistols.
>>59599338>t. Deshaun Watson
I almost missed best edition
> It's another "the aftermarket grip doesn't fit and leaves huge gaps" episodeFucking yawn
>>59599148Have you not seen the Beretta 92 rising up in this very thread against the AntiChrist?
>>59599353I'll give them some credit that they have improved QC and are producing revolvers that people want like the 856 defender and the executive.Like they have gone from a C- to a C+
>>59599375i wish i was a 6'2" nfl quarterback
>>595930059mm vs 10mm?All purpose, self defense, carry in woods, concealed would be nice, not necessaryI'm leaning towards stopping power of 10mm, but a 9mm with decent size that could be concealed easier would be nice. Leaning towards G20, but would a 9mm save me enough money in ammunition to be worth it over 10mm?Appreciate any thoughts
>>59599502Maybe if you had a real Beretta it would fit.
>>595995899mm 10mm is the biggest meme to sell all the unloaded .40S&W components the ammo companies still have on hand.
>>59599546My 1st experience with a revolver is my Taurus 627 Tracker. It was all bad. Shaving lead bad and putting a shit ton of force on the lest side of the forcing cone. All of it almost put me off owning a revilver thinking they were all created equal. My g100 is, so far, a tank and all locks up equal (miniscule play) but 18 round of 357 is accurate as fuck
>>59599608>Mom got a Taurus 85 when I was a teen>It was accurate as fuck>It was also completely out of time and shaved lead>Called it Knuckle-BiterThe 856 Defender I had was actually nice, but still far away from a Smif or Ruger.
>>59599589if you have to ask the answer is 9mm. carry FMJs if you're worried about bears or moose or some shit
>>59599607>>59599648thank you, i was dead set on 10mm earlier in the year but with the cost of ammo and the lack of one being much better than the other, im now leaning 9mm
>>59593016Eh...It was impressive before you were born. Not anymore.Plenty of sub-$500 nines that outperform this one in every possible way.If you want an open hammer, stop watching sissy hypno and get a 1911 in 45.>t.: irl boomer
>>59598179>10 dollars per trigger pull
>>59599691>Dial a caliber or barrel lengthNot a problem
What else can I do here?This thing is getting consistent 5-inch circle groups at 25yd.
>>59599604It's not a real Beretta, but it is a real 92FS :^)Now before you go and say something retarded remember that if you really want to follow that line of thinking you'd have to admit that any 1911 not made by Colt is not a "real 1911", and that any AR-15 not made by ArmaLite/Colt is not a "real AR-15", and so on and so forth.
>>59599740Lol I’m just giving you some shit bro, no worries
>>59599725What do you think you should be getting? The mechanical accuracy of pistols is limited, only specialized guns achieve precision
>>59593005best slide for psa dagger for ccw
>>59599867Forgot the '?', question not statement to picrel
When dryfire practicing, is it better to just pull back the hammer or rack the entire slide after each trigger pull?
>>59599526The Beretta 92 is worshipped by gays who love faggot Italian cock and that is anti-christian
>>59600029I do not believe you get to feel the reset by pulling back the hammer, I rack the slide I think half the time
>>59599750It ended up working with a little bit of fitting, it was just kind of a pain in the ass. I just wanted something that wasn't basic bitch black polymer.>>59599867> What holster are you using?> Are you going to be using an optic?> Do you practice shooting with a suppressor?Without this information the answer to your question is either "The one that came with your Dagger", or "Whichever one is on sale".
Is a modern-made P226 just-as-good(tm) as the old models, or is this a S&W situation where you have to go hunting for an antique?
>>59599502iktf, bought a set of Altamont target grips for a 586 and spent the better part of an afternoon sanding a little at a time and fitting them to the frame. Tedious work but now they're a perfect snug fit.
I've got a Hipower from '90, should I grab a snapcap before I start dry fire practice or what.
Anons, I need help. What should I name my new 90-two? The first one is named "N" and the second "I".
>>59600449Write "I HATE THE ANTICHRIST" on it, then post it here for all the glowniggers to seethe
This hobby sucks me dry
>>59600449>>59600486Actually this, and list it for sale on a boomer forum so we can have a show
>>59593005I just like it.
>>59600449You can name the next one ‘c’, so your fourth one can be named ‘e’
>>59600521The magpul costs so much more. Since 114 is going through the state court, I'm making my final purchases.
>>59600549meant for >>59600449
>>59593005I just want a good gun, not a peice of plastic.
FUCK THE UNFUCK THE EUAND MOST OF ALL, FUCK BRITAIN!!!
>>59600178holster: pocketoptic: none, ccwsuppressor: never used one, but would like to try one on the range, again for ccw seems unreasonable
>>59600522Good idea but I'll name the 4th "e cock">>59600549>>59600555Checked and there's literally THREE for bid right now on GB:https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1009227991 (a little scuffed, need to buy the cover from MGWhttps://www.gunbroker.com/item/1008747953 (near perfect, I might even bid)https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1005269378 (a bit expensive but both barrels)>>59600539People shit on Aero Precision but they did all WA residents a solid before our ban and were selling these around $90 a 10 pack. I will forever be grateful to them for that.
>>59600592Why didn't you reply to me too
>>59600513>>59600627>Acknowledging the cat killerthere's two
>>59600643Anon, you kill cows, pigs, fish, and chickens on a regular basis. It's easy to criticize, but you are not pure yourself. Arrogant fool, blind to your own hypocrisy.
>>59600649What if I just induce demand by buying them all?
>>59600673The ol' Adam Webber play eh
>>59600689I'm going to buy as many as I can and then contact Ian. Going to flip that shit for $2k>>59600670Nigger I haven't killed a single animal by drowning them while they struggle. Let alone with my own 2 hands.
>>59600649YOU RUINED MY NIGHT! Now I'm considering canceling my order and buying the magpul 10 pack.
>>59600731>killing is ok as long as it's done far away where I'm not lookingYou stay enjoying your finished product on your dinner plate though. Murderer. Also, how much blood have you donated?
>>59596183I wish CZ made a normal steel frame non railed Compact, but with a decocker instead of a safety.>>59597336>Shoot I don't remember that may not be it but something is tickling my memory.They asplode, someone post the webm.
>>59600753At least I'm not a cat killer. You volunteer your adrenochrome to the antichrist?Also posting guns, because I actually have them. Cope and seethe in your reply please and thank you.
>>59600731Now that's a plan!>>59600741For what it's worth buddy lad I got 10 KCIs as well years ago and only the one was a jammy crap pile, the others were very tight to load but ""fine""$12.50 for Magpuls though is crazy cheap, IF I was stocking up I'd get those instead.
>>59600797That makes me feel better. I already have a decent amount of glock mags. Just wanted to get some backups for once we're decades into the mag ban. Making a long play here.
Serious question; who was this thing made for?
>>59600836My 50-something year old coworker has one. He once told me he's never tried a polymer frame pistol before.
>>59600836Me but i want all steel
>>59600844The only people I've ever seen with these do nothing but open carry. Also tell him everything but the frame is still steel and watch his head explode
>>59600836The comic sans lettering on the barrel was a nice touch for such a clown gun
>>59600836It's for women, can't trust them with lethal weapons.
>>59600894kek nice catch
>>59600590>holster: pocketThe suppressor will make your pocket look like you have a big dick in it. Do rec (for you).
>>59600590Pocket holsters are garbage. Get you a kydex holster homie. Or a leather one if you don’t want the finish to wear as fast
Does carrying IWB ever make you guys feel like you have to pee? I keep my belt relatively tight so the gun doesn't make my pants sag.
Why did Staccato get rid of their old kino grips in favor of the new stippled ones? I don't like them
>>59600975Maybe youre hypersensitive on your dick
>>59600590>suppressor: never used one, but would like to try one on the range, again for ccw seems unreasonablekek, you gooberThe reason I ask is because if you're not using an optic but you plan on using a suppressor to practice you'll need suppressor height sights (like pic related, not my image/gun), as normal gunsights will likely not be tall enough to be viewable over the suppressor (meaning you won't be able to use your sights to aim). If you plan on using a can at some point in the future you'll also obviously want a threaded barrel.For pocket carry (why?) with no optic and no suppressor just grab whatever standard cheap Dagger slide is on sale. Don't get any of the ones with the fancy cuts in them, they look retarded, the weight savings are negligible, and they're just going to fill up with pocket lint. Get a threaded barrel as future insurance, but get normal size sights (you can always replace them later if you get a can). If you want night sights or whatever than get those.glhf, the Dagger is a pretty neat gun. Seriously though, outside of very specific situations pocket carry is kinda retarded, you should find a nice IWB holster.
>>59601019Hello fellow dagger chad
I wish the Dagger didn't have the shitty Glock grip angle.Why couldn't PSA clone the M&P?
Will a steel slide w/ aluminum frame be a problem with galvanic corrosion? Should I go steel w/ steel?
>>59600975what kind of belt?
>>59601057Just a regular leather belt.
>>59601025> like pic related, not my image/gunI CC a Shield Plus. I thought about getting a Dagger at some point because they are cheap and look fun though. It's hard for me to justify dropping the money though - I already have a couple of other fullsize 9mm handguns so the Dagger doesn't really fulfill a need for me right now.
>>59601061get a real belt for CC. Kore is nice. There are a lot of others. Fashion belts let the gun+holster move too much and dig into you. You might need to wear your pants higher too.
>>59597877not as gay as a bmw
>>59600959thanks for advice, will look into it
>>59601046Maybe if you lashed the pistol to a fog buoy for 15 years.
>>59601034The G19 was no longer under patent, and it makes sense to clone it since its a relatively simple gun that has an absolute shitload of aftermarket support. Selling the gun the way they do (either complete, or in components) also makes the thing attractive to people who want to get a cheap gun to tinker with and upgrade with glawk parts over time.PSA will sell many, many more Daggers that are G19 clones than they ever would if it was an M&P clone.
>>59601105I know, it's a good business decision and I'm glad the Dagger exists, because it raises the bar by lowering the price of obtaining a competitive firearm, even though I will never own one.I just hate the shitty Glock grip angle. Same reason I will never own a Springfield Echelon even though it looks cool.
>>59601019yeah I'm aware of the short sight problem, seems like they're throwing the ones with threaded barrels and short sights on sale because it's a bit of an oxymoronalso thanks for the advice on holster, yeah pocket carry definitely isn't ideal, sometimes best way to get answer round here is to give the wrong one
>>59600944I didn't consider this tacticool benefit
>>59601128I should have mentioned, you and I are in agreement re: the Glock grip angle.The dumb grip angle is also one of the many reasons why I dislike 1911s.
>>59601155Getting a dagger with standard sights and a threaded barrel is not a bad idea, since you'll be able to fuck around with compensators for a laugh.If you decide to go the legal route with a can than it'll give you something to do for a year while the retarded fucking faggots at the ATF drag their blown out AIDS infested asses on processing your stamp paperwork.
>>59597132S&W K22 Masterpiece
>>59601061>>59601071This anon. I can personally attest to the kore belt. I went with the nylon and it’s pretty nice for a belt. It’s rigid and sturdy. I can even loop my hands free leash on it for my dog while carrying. The belt still holds up
>>59601264>went with the nylonCringe. Should've got leather.
>>59601303I was too fat, still am, need to lose another 30 lbs or so. I was able to use the belt without cutting it at first. I’ve sliced off 5 inches so far.
>>59600239Nah, just remember not to slam the slide home on an empty gun
>>59599045I would pick one up if it were easier to get guns in my part of YuropAs it stands I'll just get a real P226 instead to avoid having to grapple with a lemon
what's with all the schiz/o/phrenia posting tonight?
>>59601627The cat drowner weedgineer. Report him and move on.
>>59601649It's the cat killing nigger that keeps getting banned for his off topic posts but they don't range ban Spanish IPs so he keeps changing it. Report all his off topic/trolling posts as they should be.
>>59601664Fine ill fuck off but that motor sucks
Is 30 super carry a meme? I don’t see too many guns chambered in it
>>59597267The wolff trigger spring did feel a bit gritty to me at first, but some dry-fire and a drop of oil fixed it. The only time I can notice anything now is if I manipulate the trigger with the safety engaged, then you kinda notice the return spring moving along the little guide rod thingie.
>>59593005I know shooting deer while driving is illegal. Driving and shooting is fun but inaccurate and destructive. Remember, lead poison does kill trees. You must respect nature.
>>59601684Yes.The slight increase in capacity isn't worth the decrease in stopping power or lethality. Unless you're a woman or cripple who can't handle recoil stick to 9mm, there is a reason it is the baseline for self defense pistols.
>>59601684Yes. It's almost as good as 9mm, and smaller, that's the whole idea. So they took a roughly 32ACP diameter bullet, added length until it was heavier than typical 380, and loaded it to nearly 223 pressures. So you can't make the guns smaller because it's hot as the fucking sun and has a heavy bullet for its size, so the idea of 9mm energy in a 32 or 380 sized gun is a fantasy, all it can give is the added magazine capacity. Depending on magazine geometry, you typically get 1 extra round of 30SC for every 5 - 7 rounds of 9mm capacity.All in all, not impressive for a brand new round that won't ever consistently be less than 40cpr.
>>59601818a gay round for gaywadsshould be renamed "three-gay-ty"
>>59601806>>59601818There are a lot of acceptable self defense calibres. 9mm is popular worldwide due to effectiveness. 10mm is superior but expensive. 380 is similar to 9mm. 45 sacrifices capacity. 40 is a nice compromise. 5.7 is fast and penetrating. .38spl is equivalent to 9mm para. .357 has more powder space than .38spl, thus bonus for hot powder. Other great self defense calibres exist. Even 22lr works great, due to large capacity and lack of recoil.
>>596018529mm is the baseline though. Every other round either gains or loses something in comparison to 9mm.It is the round by which all other handgun rounds are judged.
>>59601806The decreased stopping power and lethality comes with no noticeable decrease in perceived recoil versus 9mm, which is reasonable given the similar muzzle energy. In fact, it's generally reported to have snappier, less controllable recoil, and guns produced in 30SC typically have higher slide velocities than their equivalent in 9mm. It all adds up to arguably worse recoil, worse accuracy, and worse recovery than 9mm. The decreased lethality and stopping power comes from the narrower diameter and limited expansion compared to 9mm. It's a dumb bullet.
>>59601747Does it come apart so you could polish the guide rod? Or is it crimped like a Ruger Mark guide rod?
>>59601852>5.7 is fast and penetratingThis lie needs to die, no American has ever had access to any 5.7 ammo that's actually capable of notable penetration. Fucking TCM9(R) outperforms it for penetration, is cheaper, and is made from 5.56 brass so it's an honorary American.
>other good self defense calibres32, tokarev, 45LCAlso k related because war machines>armor plate your car so you cannot shoot through itIn the unlikely (or likely idk) situation where you get gunned down, this could help out. Probably in traffic too. Would have saved Biggie. How many anons here do this, wasting the fuel? There are such cars for sale but the bulletproof windows expire so you have to swap em. And you can get US armor kits for many cars. 22s will go through most car doors, but armor can make it strong as steel. Rounds hitting armored doors could even ricochet. I almost got killed by ricochet once. >i just wanna take cover behind my engine like old boomer movies>also want an underwater escape system, which most cars lackTell me, do any youtubers test ev batteries for bulletproofness?
>>59601873Yeah maybe but I can still carry 17 rounds of 30sc when you can only carry 15 rounds of 9mm so checkmate
>>59601885Ok i admit, that's what makes 5.7 lame.
>>59601889>17 clean .31" holes poked through the chest>15 9mm entry wounds with 15 rounds expanded to 20mm in diameter behind them and the combined 6000lbs of muzzle energy caught in the chestI know which I'd rather be shot with.
>>59601852I know that the ultimate measure of a bullet's lethality is "Would I want to get shot by it y/n?", but I would not feel comfortable or safe CCing something in 22lr, and I would not feel comfortable or safe with a wife/girlfriend/daughter/all of the above carrying a 22 for protection.There are too many videos of tweakers and fentanyl addicts shrugging off multiple 9mm rounds before finally going down due to their drug induced passive damage resistance buffs. If you're my woman and we live in an area where you need to carry a weapon and you can't handle anything more powerful than a 22 than we're defaulting to sharia law and you are not allowed to leave the house without a male escort.
>>59601873>>59601889I hate to interject, but 9mm is known for power and availability. Strong 9mm calibre ammunition is widely available. +P. Just underlining this fact.
>>59601910>>59601915Guys I made this post >>59601889 as a joke. I almost put the smiley face with the carat nose at the end but I thought it would be too much
>>59601915>9mm +P+>Still lower pressures than 30SC>60% more muzzle energy than 30SC>88% of the magazine capacityIn the interest of saying something nice: Some 9mm +P is so underwhelming the delivered muzzle energy is actually comparable to 30SC, isn't that neat?
>>59601943Of course it was a joke, but it's also good prompting to continue pissing on Federal's failed cash-grab that will be all but forgotten by the next Shot-Show if they don't start bribing companies to chamber their shit in 30SuperCucked.
>>59601914Well ok, since the 22 is small, it leaves the target standing. But in reality, it does the job perfectly fine. Only it doesn't even instakill by headshot. You can't an hero with a 22 without a lot of pain. It is not strong enough to bring down a human brain or a raging crack addict instantly. That's the way 22 works. You just shoot and they fall over from bleeding. They'll be able to shoot back probably, but they'll die. The bleeding will kill them from even a few bullets. Each hit can break bome or disable a body part. Even one bullet will eventually kill the person without expert treatment. The more prompt the treatment, the better chance to survive. People have survived many 22lr wounds before, but that may be a good thing in a blue state. Also the same can be said of 9mm. If you are talking women SYG against crackheads, ya you may wanna consider a bear gun. But the girl can use what she wants. 22 is a very effective thing to use due to the needle-like wounds it inflicts. Follow up shots are fast. 9mm kills in fewer shots, but 3 rounds of 22 are enough to destroy the crackhead's body. If you wanna kill the target as soon as possible, this isn't the round for you though. Try 45lc, 45acp, 44mag, 357mag, .454, or any larger cartridge. 22lr is for being stuck innawoods hunting. If you go on the trail, 22 will allow you to hunt for more food while being lighter to carry. Its true intended purpose.
>>59601850James Bond uses .380Good enough for Bond, good enough for me
>>59601887Whose man’s is this?
>>59601944>checked I come from a world where you can mod ammo and those calibre charts are useless. The engineering of the round is what I analyze. Ballistic gel, and penetration. You should not fixate on stopping power, and think of availability. What's the best available ammo? Which calibre do you want to buy it im?
>>59601980He used a 32 originally. He used a ppks chambered in .380 in skyfall. The ppks is ass, the only thing I like about it is looks and the sa break and reset.
>>59602017Yeah the PPK sucks but the Bersa Thunder and S&W Shield EZ make me believe in .380
>>59599667>1911 in 45.Already have one, I want a 9mm.>>59594023So should I get a Single or double action do you reckon? For a self defense kind of gun
>>59602009>I come from a world where you can mod ammo>30SC>50k PSI baselineCan't wait to see the +P >65k PSI loadings and their steel case heads to match the .277 Fury. Because that's going to happen.
>>59601958> Best model gun to release in a version chambered in 30sc> M&P Shield Plus> Worst model gun to release in a version chambered in 30sc> Hi Point 3095 CarbineNo I am not kidding, Hi Point released a carbine in 30sc with a 10 round magazine. It makes literally no sense.>>59601973In a self defense scenario you don't shoot someone with the intent to break their bones and let them live to shoot back at you, you shoot someone with the intent to end the threat as quickly as possible (as in, they go down or they die).I think everyone should have a gun chambered in 22lr because they're dirt cheap and if things ever get really, really bad in this country they'll be useful for hunting small game, but it is not a capable self defense round in a world where other calibers like 9mm exist. The only reason you should be carrying a gun for self defense chambered in 22lr is if you absolutely positively cannot carry anything else and that is literally your only option.As in, you're crippled and in a wheelchair and have mobility limited to the point where you can't tolerate the recoil from anything else, or you're a 95 year old grandma with arthritic hands whose wrists would snap if she fired anything more powerful. It is a gun, and it can be lethal, but it should be your absolute last resort.
One more thing. On the topic of self defense cartridges for women, especially young ones, I disagree with large ammo. It is loud and disorienting. Smaller rounds like 38spl are just fine, and dont disorient your hearing if shooting with no earpro. Self defense scenario remember. Also remember self defense the guy shouldn't melee attack. Only the biggest crackheads go into a bulletsorm with a grandpa cane. How can you count on that unless you in a leftist shithole? It's better to shoot the unarmed crackhead but leave him alive at the end of the day
>>59602026Check out the 80x cheetah if you want a quality .380. I know it seems counterintuitive to get a compact gun, bordering on full size, chambered in .380, but it handles so well. It comes with a lot berettas upgrades from the factory. It’s a bit pricey, but I’m loving this gun.
>>59602044>checked again22lr is also good for spec ops silent shit due to easy no noise or suppressor wear
>>59601980To be fair anon I think that the James Bond novels and films may have been slightly less than accurate with regards to their firearms. Just a little, itty bitty, eensy weensy, teeny tiny bit. Maybe.
.38 Super seems pointless..380 kills just fine. In LatAm shitholes its the most powerful round non-LEOs can have and they are still dunking on armed guards with it.If you don't care about having 1 less bullet you can just carry 9mm.Why does .38 Super exist?
>>59602059I'm willing to give you this one, but secret squirrel black ops wetwork oper8or stuff is not the same as CCing for a trip to the grocery store.I have seen videos of bolt action 22LR guns with suppressors firing subsonic rounds and they're about as loud as a stapler.
>>59602039Bro what were we even arguing over again lmao. Remember that anon who put napalm in his shotgun?
>>59602063This 3 nippled freak being able to one hit KO people with a tiny bullet fired from a gun assembled from a lighter, a pen, and a cufflink where the front sight is a pen clip is such a superhuman level of skill it just makes it more impressive.
>thinking you'll land even 50% of your shots in a self defense scenario at close rangeIt's not likely the other person catches your entire magazine. You can't count on them taking 15, you can count on maybe 5. And homemade armor will stop that shit. A sane robber would likely flee at the sight of a gun, or have his own gun. Diversity groups have more than one person with a gun. Capacity is unlikely to even help at this point. You need raw power and a couple good shots.
>>59602074That's not even quiet. There is actual quiet shit, but it's hard to get. Better just put a larger suppressor on it. Eliminate even the stapler sound.
>>59602106G26, 3x32rd mags, WML, RDS + BUIS, AIWB EDC, JHP, GSSF. Anything less is basically suicide.
>>59601880It's crimped at one end. You could probably hold the spring back with a pair of tweezers and polish up most of the guide rod, but I didn't think that was necessary.
>>59602064>why does X questionable product existGloboeconomic market. Production costs. Cartridges which get outclassed can still be made. Sold cheaply as the market regulates. Also it exists for the guns it's made for. Yeah it isn't great, but it exists. Many shitty products exist. I can name names. 38 super is all right, btw. Acceptable cartridge. I don't even think it's bad. It's designed NOT to instakill you. Disable only. Otherwise, it can be modified like other rounds to be strong.
Does the p226 have lots of aftermarket support in terms of tuning parts and shit?
>>59602128It pays to have discreteness in a real self defense situation. For a woman, a small purse gun is far better. Spraying a bunch of rounds has the added disadvantage of legal liability for all the shots you fired. Blindly pulling the trigger on a modern strikershit kills bystanders often.
>>59602150>It's designed NOT to instakill you. Disable only.What the fuck is this nonsense? It was designed to fit 10rds into a single stack 1911 magazine, and fell out of favor almost 100 years ago now. It sure as shit was not designed to be less-lethal like you're describing.
>>59602151Buddy you have to look it up online. I know you hate this answer, but I'm giving out advice for free before I get raptured. >check which stores near you have the parts>check which online retailers have the parts>figure out what parts you need>and if they're swappable with other guns (visiting one store page will tell you) or reading the wikipediaAlso, specify what parts you would like to upgrade
>>59602168The woman, like you, will be dead, while I sit comfortably in my Glock cave, slowly warming up dinner with my Streamlight.
>>59602200Stop posting, dumbass
>>59602191You think like one of those retarded British generals, thinking were gonna square up on a field or in a parking lot or some shit. Just volley till it dies. Great where it's legal with no consequences. But you would lose control of your gun arm after 1 shot to the arm, from almost any calibre. 38 super would be enough. A 38spl would either rip your bicep or break your arm bone. Also, there are many ingenious nasty rounds you can use. From incendiary, to toxic, to bioweapon. If you actually wanna kill the cunt. This circles back to availability. >38 super is available and cheap>better buy it
>>59602200>More muzzle energy than 9mm +P+>Not lethal out of a pistolJust stop.
>>59602210>he has never seen 38 super pipe gunKek lmao meme round that i want nothing to do with
>>59602220Really, 9mm isn't that lethal. Used to watch livePD and people with 10+ shots in em survived. Cops were using what, JHP? idk it didnt say. Any gunshot is a gunshot. It matters where you hit more than how strong the round is, and then also what happens after the round connects with the body. It may cause stagger, KO, etc. A good measure (by my idea) of a round's strength is if it would KO to the head. 38 super and 9mm para will both do that. So good enough for self defense if you want lethality. As for body damage, it's a pistol so the amount of rounds for killing varies wildly. One crit shot can kill or disable, or they can somehow have their vitals intact after 7 bullets. Small to medium calibre pistols for ya.
Rangeban SpainGuarantee this 38 Super dumbass is weedgineer
>>59602267Pistol rounds are the same between medium rounds. It depends on the power of the specific cartridge. I've seen 38 supers which hit worse than 22s
>>59602267This is like the old 9mm vs 45 acp argument. The difference isn't that much in the grand scheme of things. Availability is what you should consider. You won't be using your gun for defense anyway, but for target shooting.
>>59594612That's literally what the Sig M18 is, retard.
So fundamentally, does power matter more, or placement of shots? Do you want a bunch of small bullets, or fewer larger bullets?
>>59602317What actually causes people to get fucked up and die or stop is putting holes in organs because its causes lots of pain and leads to massive bleedingA fast drop in blood pressure makes people faintIt literally depends what round, shot placement is probably more important that the round as it penetrates deep enough to cause the damage to organs.
>>59602317Modern 9mm and .45 ACP are extremely close in the amount of kinetic energy, cavitation and terminal wound channels that they cause.For this reason, I would rather have more shots of 9mm. Also, the weight difference is pretty big between 45 and 9mm.
>>59602336https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11FfLU0LRPM45 with same ammo is like 1.5 wound damage relative to 9mm, doesnt penetrate as much though
>>59602334>>59602336See that's what I thought. The way I see it, there's low, medium, and high power pistols. Most self defense pistols are small to medium, and the market involves cramming as much of an effective cartridge in as possible. In ban states, the meta is to maximize your per-bullet damage with larger calibres like 44mag and .50. However, such a gun is more a status symbol and less protection. And there's a big difference here. Small to medium calibres don't gib fuckers like large calibres. Large calibres put you down in one shot. Yeah, your blood pressure drops and all that, but your insides turn to soup upon impact in a much wider radius, in a more brutal way. Large guns will ensure the instant brute destruction of whatever limb or organ gets hit. Much higher chance of paralysis and disable. It's still an open question, would you rather defend yourself with an extended mag of 9mm, or with 7 modded .45LC shots? Assume the LC has twice the energy. Because in a gunfight, a large calibre has the advantage of ending the fight instantly. But in a ranged gunfight with cover, quantity is king.
>>59602358Less penetration is due to slower speed and projectile size. Smaller projectiles are favorable for penetration. Also penetration is not necessarily tied to energy. Also there are manufacturer things to consider with wounds. Some oems do hollow points that work well, others create fragmenting rounds. Specialty rounds exist. But overall, yeah the average 45 is gonna be slower and heavier than 9mm. I would argue that it does considerably more damage to the body, and has a much higher chance per round of stopping the person. >penetrationCrystallized (ceramic) armor would take less shots to crack from the larger blunter 45acp. So it's not quite fair to say 9mm is the same as 45acp. They are different. Now, modern engineering has made these rounds much better in recent times. As far as I'm concerned, they both are extremely suitable for warfare. I see crazy 45 acp and 9mm rounds for sale all the time. Hollow points, shredders, etc. Each of these must be discussed seperately when debating these common defense calibres.
>>59600836Plz no bully
>>59602334shot placement is probably more important than the round as long as it penetrates deep enough to cause the damage to organs.****
>>59602396>modded .45LCFuck off larper, you're not custom making overpowered 45LC just to meet 44 magnum numbers.
>>59602442Honestly it's all right. It looks cool. Good to impress nogunz fags. Also they're not that bad to shoot. Gets you "accustomed", so to speak. You'll be a lot happier when you do get a nicer gun, but this one is enough for now. It is shittier than its peers though, anon. People say "Taurus isn't as bad as it was" but it isn't as good as the competition yet.
>>59602475You're right. I'm not. We are getting into theory land. Thanks for underlining all that. It seems ammo time people here are mostly all revolverchads, which makes a lot of sense. >captcha ARTHS
>>59602468See but with a round like the 22, shot placement is less important because it can shoot you in the face and you'll still be conscious. The entire stragegy of smaller rounds is needling them to death with bleeding, rather than smashing the organs to a pulp.
First gun best friends got me to buy was the bottom one
>>59602475Actually, assume I know a guy...You do, don't you?
>>59602524Yeah, its the age old debate where people argue about rounds that are in the completely sufficient range for self defense, but about which is better when in truth they all have their own best individual strength by some metric
>>59602561And people are all wishy washy with categorization. It becomes almost like another brand war. A brand war where autists forget to compare individual products. You'd think they'd learn something from their beloved Youtube. >oh 9mm hits as hard as a 45acp>nuh uh 45 hits harderWhen it should be>X ammo really did good in the test>Y ammo performed even better
Mailman (female) about to deliver my second handgun ever
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>>59597877Ah my hands
>>59595621they look the same as far as i can tell
>>59601910What’s crazy is this is basically the same argument .45acp guys used to use against 9mm
>>59602063>>59602078This bizarre shit was invented for the movie though. In the novel he just used a gold plated SAA and was a famous target shooter