Look I know it's out dated in modern warfare this isn't about lamenting them it's about how bad ass they where. Just a man and a horse riding into battle living and dieing by the sword and carbine. I just think they're cool
>>59592196>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZHaOBFL4Og>I wanna be in the cavaACK!!
>outdatedlook at how many people ride in planes or helicopters or tanks or ground vehicles and tell me it's outdated. yeah we don't use horses but calvary still exists
https://youtu.be/msd3yW6AyHI?si=imnDhFSRB7QfPpFs(Heavy) Dragoons!
>>59592654The caval part of calvary means horses. Modern armor, and are craft serve a similar role to cavalry but they aren't
>>59592876What does the table reference?AnywayIn practice the Dragoons more or less got subsumed into the Cuirassiers' battlefield role. It's the Hussars who were the primary scouts. The role of cavalry as anti-cavalry should also not be underestimated.
>>59593118Nigga you dumb, you might as well say infantry aren't infantry any more because they aren't using pikes and chainmail any more.
>>59592196I hate the memes that have spawned about cavalry being useless because slave-minds want to feel good about le uppity nobles getting BTFO!!! The lance was being used until the Thirty Years' War for God's sake. Cuirassier regiments weren't allowed to give the death penalty to their members because they were still mostly aristocrats. The caracole was a dumb meme fad and they quickly went back to charging once they adapted to pike and shot.
>>59594586The Lance was used in the Napoleonic wars.One of the units in Napoleon's old Guard was polish lancers.>>59593238The role that the dragoon initially took upp is a verry funny one as it was basicaly a constant cycle of new units being raised to fuill that role (mounted infantry/cavalry with guns) that then grew in prestige to the point they where too good to fight dismounted>started using sabre+gun>dropped the gun and became yet another charge cavalry.This is ofcourse outside the US where all cavalry was what the early dragoons/carabiners where. In Europe the role of horse soldiers that fight dismounted with guns was last taken upp by mounted infantry that where formed after the dragoons and (mounted) carabiners lost their guns.
>>59594787The lance was so good that Prussia, Austria, Russia and France all tried recruiting Poles to form uhlan regiments. After the Napoleonic Wars, Britain followed by forming its own lancer regiments and Germany made ALL of its cavalry carry lances prior to WW1. Personally, I'm more of a knightfag.pic related is the correct way to discuss matters of war with infantrycucks
>>59594586If I recall, the first confirmed British kill in WW1 was from a cavalry saber.
Mount up lads
>>59594586>The lance was being used until the Thirty Years' War for God's sake.It was used well after that, up until after WWI
>>59595488Man, that rider has a shit-eating grin.
>>59595812he looks like hes thinking>using a spear>I shiggy diggy
>>59595707I didn't want to turn this into a Polish autism spergout thread. The lance died in the west during the Thirty Years' War because it just wasn't good enough against plate armour and pistols were much more practical. The Polish found this out when they fought westerners, but they were mostly fighting against Russians, Turks and Tatars who were much more lightly equipped so they kept the lance which they knew very well. In the 18th century, and particularly after the Partitions, the westerners who had mostly abandoned armour found themselves with a lot of Poles they could hire who knew how to fight with the lance. In the Napoleonic Wars, the actions of the Imperial Guard Lancers speak for themselves (breaking infantry squares as 'light cavalry', performing wheels while in full gallop, etc) but it turned out that the lance was actually pretty good so everyone started copying the ulan style which as far as I know is based off the short-lived National Cavalry. The French ended up fielding their lance-equipped chevaux-legeres at Waterloo. As with everything, it wasn't a simple matter of picking up a lance and suddenly you have a unit of lancers. As with any martial art, it required knowledge and practice which is best passed down through tradition, which only the Poles possessed. I can't tell you what exactly is dificult about lancing compared to fencing but I read it in a book somewhere so it's just true ok?
>>59595912This polish autism, many militaries had them, although they were not as widespread. Austria, Spain, Britain, etc. The poles were contributors to a revival after Napoleon recruited them, that is true, but it's not like the poles had secret knowledge. Also lancing is relatively easy to learn if you have someone who can ride to begin with. Witness the easy conversion of non-Lancer units to Lancers.
Horsefuckers
>>59596001Such as? I'm actually interested because I don't know about any of them to have held onto lances. past the 17th century.
Interestingly, at least in Britain, though they didn't really bring back lancers, the last Cavalry sword issued is essentially a short lance. It is just a long, thrust only pole.
>>59596094By the time that sword was issued all British cavalry were expected to function as mounted infantry.>>59592876>>59593238Dragoons were mostly used for flanking attacks, skirmishes, defending lines of communication, domestic internal security and other as hoc tasks. The Swedes during the thirty years war for instance used them often as a kind of mobile sapper corp to prepare the way for the rest of the army. In the wars of the three kingdoms they often made up assault detachments in sieges. The horse was primarily for mobility with most fighting done on foot.I know they eventually evolved into another form of proper cavalry, but for much of their existence they are possibly better described as a form of infantry.
>>59596094They actually did, just after the Napoleonic Wars and not en masse. The 17th Lancers took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade and the Royal Lancers are still around after about ten thousand amalgamations. It's just that they mostly fought in colonial wars that nobody really cares about now.
>>59592196For me? 16th/17th century Reiters. The strenghts of the knight combined with modern firepower.>>59596078NtA; the spanish for example had an endemic lance-tradition in the form of the Garrochista - cattlemen who prodded their cattle with lances. This even translated to the Americas in the form of the Soldado de cuera - a mixture of dragoons and lancers tasked with protecting the spanish holdings in the new world.
>>59596235Similarly, the Brits used lancers in their Indian colonies the whole time.
>>59596235http://www.littlewars.se/spanish/lanceros.html Huh. I see.
Earlier types of cavalry armed with firelocks are also kino
I would like to bump this thread
>>59598056Perhaps I shall post a second time
>>59598064lovely image anon
Cuirass used by the cuirassier company under Count von Pappenheim. Total weight of 23 kg.
>>59595912>shoeless halberdiers in red and whiteIs that a heckin warhammer fantasy battles reference?
>>59592196how many of them fucked their horses?
>>59596177And the funny thing I that directly after they became "propper" cavalry you had pepole forming mounted infantry units because the role that they used to fill was still there
This machine kills monarchists
I will rape your tercio formation with my currasier plate and pistol that worth as much as my horse>>59596235Based 30 year war chad
I decided to pick up 'The Cavalry Lance' and it turns out debates around cavalry have always been autistic. Here is an account of the troubles the British had in adopting the lance. >The origins of lance drills within the British Army were marked by dissension and controversy; appropriate enough, given the controversy that was to mark the use of the weapon itself. The decision to convert regiments of Light Dragoons to the new role was made in the immediate aftermath of the battle of Waterloo (18 June 1815), and ‘the salutary experience of coming into contact with Napoleon’s Lancers’ (Chappell 1983: 13). In 1816 two detachments from the 9th Light Dragoons were set to work at Pimlico and Hampton Court, to devise a British version of the lance exercises taught to the French Guard and Line Lancers, who had for their part been taught the same by Polish NCOs of the crack Vistula Legion. Following these trials, two systems were presented to the Duke of York for his approval and the simpler of the two systems, written by Captain John Godfrey Peters, utilizing three divisions of attack and defence, was chosen. This decision was not taken well by Lieutenant-Colonel R.H. De Montmorency of the 9th Light Dragoons, who upon his release from French custody in 1814 had presented a treatise to the Duke of York. This document outlined his observations of French lance drill training from his time in – seemingly not unpleasant – captivity.1/2
>>595988102/2>De Montmorency’s dissatisfaction manifested itself in the publication in 1820, at his own expense, of The Exercise and Manoeuvres of the Lance. This tome, which runs to 149 pages, includes a vehement attack on the Pimlico Drills ‘so universally found fault with’ (De Montmorency 1820: 149), at that point already in official service for some four years. It is also enhanced by a somewhat superfluous account of various medieval banners including that of the De Montmorency family. (At that time the author was in the process of changing his family name from the rather less exciting Morres to De Montmorency, claiming descent from that august French family.)tl;dr British officer is so unhappy at the adopted lance drills that he publishes a 149 page sperg out citing his family's medieval banners as a source to criticise it
>>59598301Royalist cavalry btfo Roundheads for most of the warAlso the Roundheads were fucking idiots because Cromwell immediately turned himself into a king, and then the Restoration happened.
>>59592196Yeah dude. Check out the motherfucking Mongols horse cavalry archery guys. I went down the Mongol rabbit hole a while back on yt. It does not get more brutal than those mfers. The Mongols killed everybody in Fangcheng and stacked their bodies in a huge pile. The bodies of 10,000 men, women, and children rose higher than the walls of the city and could be seen from Xiangyang.
>>59601912Mongols are for historylets, right after the Romans
>>59596177>during the thirty years warThe early-mid 17th century was probably the one time dragoons were actually used as dragoons. They quickly became regular cavalry.
>>59592876Hussars had the most hilarious stories, absolute madlads. I'm still hoping for a Lasalle biopic.
>>59603225American Civil War had pretty much all cav on both sides functioning as dragoons. Modern horse cavalry in Africa, Asia, etc are all dragoons too, in effect.
>>59592196owo
>>59603950Yeah but... by the ACW all cavalry were pretty much dragoons. Nobody was expecting cavalry to ride down and sabre an infantry attack any more.
>>59604492>Nobody was expecting cavalry to ride down and sabre an infantry attack any moreMaybe not, but it still happened on occasion, even into WWII. Cavalry charge with sabres and grenades, with supporting fire from machine gun and horse-drawn artillery.
