Drones can do more than hit stationary objects or positions

Trench warfare did not become obsolete by 1918.

>>59579127
How many licks it would take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop

>>59579127
centering your strategy on what makes the most kickback money out of the MIC is not how you fight a peer land war in Europe.

>>59579127
`none of this matters
`freedom is free
`feels good man

the list could go on

>>59579127
The Russian military is a fucking joke.

>>59579127
even our 40+ year old shit can beat the fuck out of Rushit

Russian artillery should be the first thing NATO attacks in a war with Russia

>>59579279
No, logistics is. They are ridiculously vulnerable on that front. Thousands of artillery tubes are useless without ammo.

>>59579127
that if we want to win we need to make sure other countries people are doing the dying because we wouldn't have the stomach to fight this type of war ?

>>59579127
Fuck with Russia at any opportunity possible, they will run head first into any wall you present them with and their threats should not be taken seriously.

>>59579374
>Delusional zigger

>the potential of drone warfare if anything was greatly underestimated, supremacy though drone warfare and anti-drone measures is critical now.
>proxy warfare is still an excellent tool, measures should be taken to ensure there's always surplus equipment earmarked for proxy wars
>the capabilities of enemy and rival nations needs reassessment to account for governmental corruption and actual ability to use it's resources
>a plan for the dissolution of major state actors needs to be in place
>bananas make for excellent traps
>if possible, second strike capacity needs to be improved
>psyops are more crucial than ever, we must never again fall behind Moscow or other states
>more work needs to be done to dislodge India towards our side, their population is too large to ignore
>weapons can do far more than what they're designed to do
>energy independence is a matter if life and death, we must always be a producer and self sufficient
>NATO will be useful as long as there are belligerent shitholes

>>59579127
Overall, that drones are insanely useful and need to be available at the squad, if not individual level. Precision guided munitions are more important than ever. That our extremely expensive equipment actually have the capabilities we paid for, so much so that relatively simple guided rocket systems were honestly game changers. Thermal optics and portable guided weapons such as the javelin l are major force multipliers, and need to be retained if not see greater perforation amongst infantry.

In regards to Russia, they are hopelessly corrupt. They have some decent troops amongst the professional formations, but conscripts are woefully lacking. They are capable of adaptation, but not after they have first slammed their head up against your brick wall repeatedly, incurring significant losses. Their logistics are extraordinarily weak, and would be the best pressure point to mercilessly kick that would grind the Russian army to a halt quickly. They are also woefully lacking in their ability to protect what logistical network they do have. They have some good equipment, but it’s hard to gauge its effectiveness considering the incompetence and lack of skill on the operators behalf. In the future, they may shift much of their counter battery capability to loitering munitions and kamikaze drones. We don’t know how many get shot down for every successful hit, but the lancet seems to work as advertised on the surface.

>>59579475
>No u

>>59579481
Good morning sar

That we were way more paranoid than was warranted, and that it was a good thing.

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>>59579499
Don't be insulting the Bongs bro

>>59579127
Hanging onto old shit is useful to donate to allies, and that we should probably try to get someone to produce systems that are designed to be operated by poorer allied nations that will never be able to use the sky the ways NATO plans to.

>>59579374
>not be enough to deter Russia from taking what they want
I hope that's the takeaway because then they would realize a world with Russia will never be safe. We genuinely have to eradicate them completely.

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Not every friend/proxy is ANA tier retard that vanishes at the first sign of a fight. Some want to come to grips with your enemy more than you.

>>59579508
Sir good morning sir have you done the deed and needful today sir

>>59579152
Based tv watcher from the '70's. Go Steve Austin!

>>59579534
This. If a population can actually identify with the state they live in, they will actually fight for it.

>>59579202
But did they learn anything they didn't already know?

Someone post that new surrender propaganda.

>>59579481
oof, too true

>>59579127
That it will need to reinstitute the draft, unironically. It's starting to be admitted in papers that any future war will entail massive casualties and a volunteer force won't work.

>>59579534
>>59579548
The funny thing is, Ukraine used to be very pro-russia up to and even after the clankening. But that turned around rapidly after they yoinked Crimea. Years of war in Donbass didn't help either.
Russia really has a way of making anyone hate them.

>>59579127
Airpower is king, artillery is queen, drones are the crown prince

>>59579127
That however many artillery shells you think you'll need, you'll need at least twice as many to fight a peer opponent.

>>59579127
>what do you think the Pentagon learned from the Ukraine war?
What it's like to have blue balls from seeing things like the 40km convoy of death and the Black Sea Fleet hiding in a corner.

>Drone warfare is indifferent to conventional air superiority.
>In spite of having clear air supremacy or air superiority for large portions of the war the Russians were unable to turn that into a victory due to extreme failure on the ground.
>Armor, even with air and artillery support, is extremely vulnerable to hit and run attacks carried out by small units of men with effective anti-tank weapons.
>Satellite operational capacity ala something like Starlink or Starshield is key to maintaining effective comms and drone operations, and a substantial amount of this technology is in the hands of the private sector.
>Adverse weather can bring a war to a temporary standstill even with modern equipment.
>Improvisation is a big deal. Ukranians are attaching Russian anti-tank mines to drones and dropping them back on Russian forces. You can do more with your weapons than what it says on the box that they come in.
>The Eastern style of utilizing artillery can rapidly exhaust the logistical capacity of its support units long before a commander in a position to do so can call a halt to it and conserve shells.
>Numerous intelligence analysts are probably trying to devise statistical instruments to determine the effect of the rate of corruption on depleting military combat readiness in order to produce more accurate estimates of enemy material readiness.

What'd I miss?

>>59579374
Or rather, that 2,000,000+ dead Russian soldiers (using your 400k at proven casualty ratios), the complete eradication of the Russian Army's modern equipment stock and Russia objevtively losing the war and being pushed back continously will not be enough to make braindead, subhuman zigger shills stop lying brazenly.

>drones are the biggest force multiplayer for artillery since the introduction of man-portable radios
>AA assets are not effective as their producers used to claim but at the same time much harder to totally suppress
>large scale surprises maneuvers are dead in the age of cheap photo satellites
>towed arty is dead
>non-western countries have much higher tolerance for losses

>>59579844
As evident by the ongoing collapse of Russias economy, of course.

>>59579127
You can never trust Russia. And the west should get ready for proxy wars with China in Asia. Total Zigger and Chang death

>>59579127
That keeping air superiority is a must, and to invest more in anti drone/drone equipment at the platoon level.

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There is nobody left to offer real challenge beyond nuclear annihilation
there are no worthy opponents against whom to hone our craft, just seething shtiholes too busy robbing their own populaces to give us the outlet so desperately craved

>>59579898
>>drones are the biggest force multiplayer for artillery since the introduction of man-portable radios
That still belongs to manned aircraft. They are a force multiplier up to the brigade level though.

>>59579127
Not that much frankly.
It's a type of war that the US will never fight, a symmetrical land war at their own border.

>>59579993
I'd actually disagree and say that it's PGMs allowing a very small number of tubes, either rocket or gun, to do the work that large quantities would before due to inaccuracy.

Above all, war has to be funny.

>>59579127
That both sides are shitholes that cant gain air superiority. So now everyone thinks all the retarded shit going on there is some how the future of warfare.

>>59580028
Based Soros

>>59579374
Nice imaginary numbers, Ivan. Btw, your NCO is looking for you, he wants some more of that cornhole.

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>>59579127
with enough subjugation, a captive populace can be convinced anything is winning.

>>59579898
Towed arty is fine for defensive positions if you have equal or greater range over the enemy. In concentrated battles achieving superior volume is important enough to use towed artillery even offensively. You may take more losses but there's an inflection point to fire superiority where you wipe out the enemy before they can bring all their forces to bear.

>>59579663
Even after 2014 Ukraine was divided about 60/40, before 2014 it was about 50/50. Zelensky was a compromise candidate, a Russophone Jew who wanted to negotiate with and make a deal with the Russian people whom he called brotherly.

He was rewarded for this by Putin sending death squads to Kiev trying to murder him. Guy aged a decade in a year and a half but was finally forced to accept Russorealism just like the rest of Ukraine.

>>59579213
>we
>our

Learning?

Wisdom and lessons?

Humility, accountability, self-reflection?

Doing what's best for the American people?

That's not what the zionist leadership is about, muchacho.

That's way too responsible and selfless, you ain't talkin bout MONEY.

>>59579127
that they're totally fucked. they will never have the military industrial ability to combat an earnestly suicidal Russia and deter simultaneously a growing China
so they really, really need Europe to handle this one

>>59579608
Replying to yourself is embarrassing

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>>59579213
>script changed from Ukraine is a genocidal Nazi kleptocracy to Ukraine is a Jewish vassal state
pick a fucking narrative already Grigori

>>59580520
Nice reddit spacing retard

>>59579539
You know they still kept airing those commercials up until the early 2010's, right? I'm a zoomer and I remember seeing them play on boomerang.

>>59579127
War college predicting based on Ukraine that we would have 3600 medical causalities a day. Trust me, we're paying attention. The important thing is that we don't start huffing our own paint and actually learn some lessons.

>>59579127
we need to up our drone game

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>>59579481
Get better, anon. Heal.

>>59579127
1. Their equipment is better than Russian equipment. Maybe not as Better than russhit equipment is Cheaper and more reliable though...
2. It's so much easier to defend than to attack trench warfare is back.
3. Hot take: Updoots on reddit don't win wars, but holy shit these people will believe anything and never research a single claim.
4. Predator drones aren't going to replace the F-22 but suicide drones and drones that drop mortars add a whole new dimension to the battlefield.
5. Judging by the memes holy shit people hate jews and homos. Like maybe we really should take a fucking step back levels of hate.
6. Whatever else you want to say about the Russian people, they still all possess superhero levels of the "don't give a fuck" ability.
7. Russians are not anti-Russia no matter how much we claim they are (Police and civilians came out in droves to thwart, if not fight, Wagner during their little coupe. I remember people laughing because Putin was so scared he was busting up the road to Moscow. That was actually random people who just showed up and started throwing up roadblocks.)

>>59579508
are you sure the Irish guy doesn't just have jaundice from his liver shutting down?

>>59580494
No he didn’t. His job was to soft-pedal through the energy deals with the West. Russia tried hard to keep them from that path. Ie, one of the talking points was "energy security" so the Russians basically gave them free energy. Of course it was just a talking point and Zelensky was to do whatever he could to appear friendly — just as long as nothing threatened the main project goal of developing Ukraine’s vast shale reserves. In 2013 they signed huge deals with Shell and Chevron which started Russia down the path of military escalation. This geopolitical-economic drama is too complex for NPCs of course so it gets put into comic book terms like NATO expansion, Nazis and Imperialism.

>>59579127
That Russia is a meme. They can't actually do more with less like everyone assumed.

>>59581377
Dude, learn to write. Pretty sure your ideas aren't "Too complex for NPCs", you just suck at communicating them.

>Ukraine is a vassal of the US
Not really. If anything, until recently it had closer ties to Russia than the west. That beginning to shift is what prompted Russia's aggressive attemtps at subversion, sabotage, and then outright military invasion. Even now, Ukraine isn't partnered with the US in an official capacity. That will likely change in the near future, but for now it's inaccurate to call Ukraine a vassal of America in the same way as, say, the UK, SK or Japan are.

>>59579202
Always was

>>59581304
>Police and civilians came out in droves to thwart, if not fight, Wagner during their little coupe.
What retarded fanfiction is this. The only actual footage of civvies doing anything during the Wagner coup was them standing aside and filming shit, or them actively cheering Wagner on.

They’re gonna have to really start hyping up the Chinese threat if they want to keep that defense money flowing.

>>59581304
>more reliable
lmao no, the amount of gear that got abandoned after breaking down made that myth look really dumb

>>59581632
This war is a continuation of 2014. In 2013, Ukraine signed huge development deals with Shell (March I think?) and Chevron (November). In response, Putin took a surprise action of invading — escalating what was a political-economic battle into a military one. This move’s main objective was to stop the shale deals with the West, and a secondary objective was to seize Crimea’s EEZ over the Black Sea reserves. Both objectives were successful with Shell freezing the project (later abandoned it?) and Chevron pulling out. Obama’s admin was taken by surprise and responded with sanctions targeted where they felt it would hurt most — the Putin’s circle of oligarchs. It did hurt them a great deal blocking them from their European villas and super yachts, various above-board dealings and so on. However, this wasn’t enough to make them give up on the energy war as that European energy market is what pays for Putin’s government and the oligarch’s wealth to begin with. They had to keep it no matter the cost. With Ukraine’s pipelines in danger, Russia’s next move was to upgrade Nordstream which was their insurance policy against Ukraine messing with the pipelines — but the US fought against this move heavily and late 2021 the US slapped on sanctions over Nordstream 2; (admin this time just admitted the truth behind it: "it would make Europe too dependent on Russian energy"). It was clear to Russia the U.S. project to cut off Russian gas is going ahead and they can’t rely on Nordstream to save them. So, with his government and his circle of oligarchs at risk, Putin felt pressured to attempt a regime-change in Ukraine to install a friendly government who won’t mess with the pipelines or try to work with the US to replace Russian hydrocarbons. There’s a lot more to go over but I’m at character limit already.

>>59581701
A partnership is a more accurate description. It seems like a vassal relationship because of how unequal the balance of soft power is but it’s not really. The US arranges for Ukraine’s shale reserves to be developed and Ukraine works with the US to cut off Russian energy to Europe and get rich off exporting their new reserves to Europe instead. Ukraine gets rich and the US completes their main foreign policy goal in Europe, a win-win-win scenario.

>>59581887
>The main policy goal of the United States of America in the European theater is to guarantee the security of their oil supply

Is this the level of grotesquerie that I ought to expect from you?

>>59582201
You’re confused. The goal is to cut off Russian energy exports to Europe. The main benefits from the US’s perspective is to eliminate Russia’s influence in Europe bought with cheap energy and the destruction of the Putin government which is paid for by the same energy market. Other factors got tacked on as the energy battle has progressed but those are the key goals.

Ukraine is a crucial partner in these goals because Ukraine inherited the pipelines feeding that market from the USSR. About 12-13+ years ago huge shale reserves were found in Ukraine and that made Ukraine’s value in the energy war skyrocket — because then the US could cut off Russian energy to Europe while also ensuring cheap energy which had hooked Europe to Russia to begin with. Those pipelines could be essentially "hijacked" by Western-developed Ukrainian-owned shale reserves, and that became the basis of the US-Ukraine partnership. If you ever wondered why the US seemed so involved in such a poor meaningless country, now you know.

>>59582260
>The goal is to cut off Russian energy exports to Europe

And this made the Russians invade Ukraine and start a genocide against them... how exactly?

>>59579898
>drones are the biggest force multiplayer for artillery since the introduction of man-portable radios
I'd say PGMs were bigger than drones.

>>59582315
Russia is attempting a regime-change in Ukraine because they want to secure the Ukrainian pipelines and stop any further attempts to develop Ukraine’s energy reserves.

>>59579867
Most of your primary school english classes, evidently.

>>59581871
Your "more complex than NATO expansion, Nazis, etc" explanation of the conflict is literally "shale oil expansion". You're not some fucking guru fuckmaster international relations prophet that's gifted with an incisive and nuanced view of the inner political mechanics of the Russosphere, you're just self impressed and a bit contrarian.

>>59579325
Good point. During the first few weeks of the war, I remember seeing videos of Ukrainian troops ambushing and destroying Russian fuel trucks. Russians can boast all they want about having thousands of tanks, but they’re fucking useless without fuel or ammo. Imagine thousands of US suicide drones hunting fuel trucks and ammo depots

>>59579127
probably to double and triple check the logistics of the military, and to invest into deone/anti-drone technology

>>59582315
Putin's and his oligarchs entire wealth depends on gas exports to Europe, so they would go to war to if that was at risk. The genocide part is just Russians being Russians

>>59582315
No, no, no, you don't see. Even though the war has been disastrous for Russia, the decision to invade had to have been rational. Putin may have been wrong, but he was definitely still playing 5D chess. There is absolutely no way he could just be stupid.

>>59580494
I miss my nigga Poroshenko

>>59582540
I’m simply relating the real situation. If you prefer the cartoon, fine, it’s for your consumption after all.

>>59579127
The shotgun still holds its place in war.
>Anti drone capabilities
>Trench God
>incredibly adaptable ammunition options

>>59582618
You enjoy the comic book narrative, fine.

>>59579127
That the Patriot system, despite being designed almost forty years ago, is still REALLY fucking good and remains remarkably effective.

>>59579481
>America can no longer protect its vassal states
And Ukraine is not part of Russia now...why?

>>59579127
>ctrl + F for "covid, "bio", "coof"

Everyone is missing a big one here.

drones

>>59579127
"We should invade Mexico."

>>59582762
Frankly we should.
The country basically exists as a conduit of illegal immigrants and drugs at this point, and corruption is tolerated to the extent that criminals can operate openly and publicly with no real repercussions.
The Chinese have recently started building little outposts all over too, sooner rather than later it will start becoming more saturated with Chinese immigrants like Canada has, and their influence will grow in MX too.
With enough time, China will have allies on both sides of America. Maybe it's time to get that shit straightened out before it becomes a real problem.

>>59579279
>>59579325
Actually, they should first destroy air defense, which has always been the plan. Only thing that changed is that it turned out to be a very easy thing to do.

>>59582844
Yeah... Dat Canadian threat of...invading...America
0/10 have a you

>>59579423
Good cliffnotes.

>>59579127
Rocket artillery fucking rocks, tank howitzers also fucking rock, and flak is not out of date.

Drones are very handy and every squad should have them.

>>59582762
Speaking of that, I check the catalog and sure enough, yet another mexico war thread is up.

It's frankly bizarre how supercharged this meme has become of late. Constant repetitive overtures. I don't get this spic obsession at all, it's been discussed to death now and why even care? It almost makes me wish there WERE some latin american hot war occuring so at least then it would make fucking sense why it's brought up over and over and over and over like a mantra.

>>59579127
It is very profitable to war with someone else's hands

>>59582618
>the decision to invade had to have been rational.
To use a whatever-tropes meme, it made "sense in context".
Putin operates on a different "computer code" than his Western counterparts. So any data going in will return a completely different result.
Sort of how you'd have a somewhat busted AI image generator, you input "big tiddy goth gf", and it spits out an eldritch abomination composed of eyes and fingers. To the algorithm, it "makes sense" in the context of its operating procedures and received info, but it looks retarded to anybody else on the outside.

>>59579127
1) Quality storage for unused stuff is king.
2) Thanks to throwaway ATGMs every war can turn into 14-18 if none of the sides achieves air supremacy
3) At least every fireteam needs their personal recon drone - period
4) Never underestimate what willpower and western training can achieve.
5) No amount of technology beats Rasputitsa
6) Always be prepared for campaigns that last longer than 3 months.
7) Always keep a very good supply of land mindes because they are one giant force multiplier

>>59581045
They still play them too. I saw that commercial like 3 months ago. Rarer than the '00s but still there.

>>59582642
I also watched the youtube video

>>59581132
Sorry anon already us is already 10 years ahead of the meta dropping autonomous suicide drone swarms by airstrike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFLzO_5UFwE&list=LL&index=3&t=3sfrom jets for airstrikes

>>59581871
>russia chimps out because ukraine attempted to do business with western companies
thanks for explaining, i now understand that russia is evil and needs to be stopped

>>59581304

Russians are not anti-anything they literally dont care about anything not immediately concerning them. This is intentional and a feature by the Russian elite to keep them docile. Them trying to stop Wagner is bullshit, its a desparate percentage of nobodies on either side of the war issue.

>>59582938

America has two neighbors, one is.......yeah we better not talk about that one and the other is someone US could potentially, posibly, maybe, kinda if you look at it from this point of view, I mean all things considered, probably could have a military intervention totally not a landwar.

If you have only two options, it's inevitable you will focus on one. It doesn't help the Trumposphere is filled with this shit too.

>>59579127
They learned that we actually only needed 1/10th of the hardware we built to stalemate or even win a non-nuclear confrontation with Russia.

>>59579777
service members do love some NTR

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They learned that Gladio 2.0 isn't working as well this time around.

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>>59579127
1. Drones are important.
2. Rocket artillery is extremely important.
3. Old equipment can still be useful.
4. Ideology is still an important factor to consider when dealing with dictators and one-party states.
5. Trench warfare is still viable under certain circumstances.
6. Good logistics is absolutely vital. The Pentagon already knew this, but the Russo-Ukrainian War has only reinforced this point.
7. Appeasement with authoritarian regimes doesn't work.

>>59584074
non-American hands typed this post

>>59579127
The Russian army is rife with corruption, incompetence, poor training and an officer's main task is telling your superior exactly what he wants to hear irrespective of what the actual situation is

>>59584114
I'm pretty sure we already knew slavs were incompetent and corrupt lol

>>59581304
>Judging by the memes holy shit people hate jews and homos. Like maybe we really should take a fucking step back levels of hate.
Badwrong take, we need way higher levels of hate or shits gonna get worse.

>>59584196
He means we need to take a step back on promoting jews and homos because he knows that biggest mistake in politics is saying the quiet part out loud, and he wants the jews and homos to win.

>>59584196
>>59584212
the* biggest mistake

>>59579684
No.

Guided rockets > artillery.

>>59581304
russian gear is literal aliexpress chinkshit airsoft gear. my nephews have the ali, and the greyshop ratnik gear. same tags in some stuff.

>>59582902
how many chinese are there? they been changing the laws there for it.

>>59582844
Who the fuck do you think wants the illegal immigrants here? The business owners who control the government. It's cheaper labor, and that's all they really want. They'd use slaves if it weren't illegal.
Also, who do you think helps the cartels? Who do you think launders their money?

>>59579127
Nothing, they'll make same mstake with taiwan.

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i don't know about Pentagon, but I certainly did not expect to see Ruissia having a disadvantage in terms of ARTILLERY. Definently not in a conflict anywhere on Eurasian continent, and certainly not just a few hundred klicks from Russia proper.

They have ludicreous amounts of artillery and shells. How did they fuck up so badly that they can't use that against Ukraine? Yes, I know Ukies have been targetting their supply lines, but even I understand that maintaining those supply lines should be no. 1 priority in a conflict like this.
Is Russia run by a bunch of monkeys?

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>>59584432
>Is Russia run by a bunch of monkeys?

>>59579127
Russia will never be cool

>>59579978
there's always the ayylmao's

>>59584432
They were using them. They shot their cannons till the bores gaped, then shot them some more. Thats why you see giant fields fulls of random craters; russia just yeeting shells willy nilly.

They didn’t do the artillery things you’re supposed to (rapid accurate fires driven by decentralization, moving after every fire mission) and left themselves open to counterbattery. As a result, they’re running low on ammo and begging the norks for shells, and are running out of tubes because himars is so damn good at counterbattery. Of course, all this is exacerbated by corruption and poor maintenance (shell and gun counts weren’t accurate to begin with).

>>59579423
Drones are to the Ukraine War what Mavericks (Laser and TV guided) were to the Gulf War.

>>59584095
I'm Australian, but my post wasn't meant to be ani-American, if that's what you were implying. I would also add:
8. The Russian military is even more incompetent and disorganized than what the Pentagon previously believed.
9. Air superiority is extremely important.

The MIC is probably shitting its pants because the last half century of fearmongering about the "mighty Russian Army" turned out to be a provable lie. It always was and always will be a joke that was subpar even back in the 70s, to say nothing of its 3rd world status after the SU ate shit.

Trillions of dollars wasted in fear of a bunch of FAS babies, with an entire generation brainwashed into thinking they were anything but an incompetent shithole.

>>59585285
There is still China, North Korea and Iran.

>>59582642
the justification still boils down to "if I can't have nice shit I will wreck your shit"
its not like the russians are sperging out because you are trying to get them all to freeze and starve. Just that the 1%of1% will have to make do with a villa or London mansion less
And if the same 1%of1% of the russians hadn't been dicks and invade Georgia, use their energy as blackmail ect then russian energy domination Europe wouldn't even have been an issue

>>59581304
>Like maybe we really should take a fucking step back levels of hate.

Fuck off back to where you came from reddit transplant faggot scum.

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>>59582902
Do you even realize how many chinks infest Canada now? Like they have literally bought up half the property in many major Canadian cities and have forced real(white) Canadians out. They also make up a huge fucking percentage of Canucklian university graduates and tech company employees. Chinks practically run canada and white canadians are almost fucking serfs to them at this point.

Chinks need to be ethnically cleansed from the entirety of the west.

>>59581019
Is he wrong?

>>59579163
Really?

It seems to be working out pretty swell so far.
Russians dying by the palletized cube, Ukies doing the bleeding to make that happen, and Raytheon and Boeing making BANK, nigga!

Seems like a pretty successful business model to ME.

Even the EcoFags aren't queefing about the carbon footprint...Hell, we're offloading Depleted Uranium to zap Vatniks with...can you imagine the profit margin on each round?
The warhead has to be harvested from a fucking nuclear reactor!

>>59579127
>cheap drones are vital at the section level
>SAMs actually can defend airspace
>the best IFV / MBT dies to an ATGM the same as the worst
>the western public fucking loves war and doesn't really protest at all so long as we are the good guys for once
>casualties are going to be higher than expected in a peer war
>bluffing about entering a war against a nuclear power isn't going to work anymore
>leaving enemy command and control intact is a good idea if their command is stupid.

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Logistics Logistics Logistics

>>59579146
>>59579137
retards

>>59579534
>russians are being killed

Personally, I'm pissed off because Ukrainians are being killed, and I blame NATO as well as Russia for it.

>>59579146
The whole artillery and trench thing would be exactly the wrong lesson to learn. It's a uniquely Russian self-made problem stemming from the fact their military changed little since the Napoleonic times.

Drones and long range precision fire on the other hand, is very nice to have indeed. Also cluster munitions.
Air superiority goes without saying.
Also dispersion and comms&command that works with that.

>>59585302
>China
Paper tiger
>Notth Korea
A tiny little pipsqueak nation who's only form of retaliation is being capable of nuking Japan or South Korea
>Iran
The eternal boogeyman, they make Israel wet their pants so the USA has to make it's master feel good

>>59582844
The only way thats going to happen is if a regime change occurs in America, as the establishment needs the porous border to remain open so that politicians can ensure that the corporations lobbying (aka bribing) them get their cheap labor, and at least the Democrat wing gets their free votes while the Republican wing pretends to care and be an opposition party when we all know that the likes of McCain, Romney, and other Neocons oppose any border protection.

>>59586471
Lmao

>>59586507
can't even match artillery shells production

>>59586507
For a proxy war that russia is all in on and still losing?

>>59582618
Putin believes that Russia destiny is to get defeat the rest of Europe and create an imperial russia. Magically everything will sort out. Is deluded but have a pervert logic

>>59582844
You can not stop drugs or inmigration in your own border right now. Moving that border south is going to solve the problem how?

>>59579481
obvious bait

>>59579127
luv me drones
luv me thermals
luv me ATGMs

simple as

>>59586047
airburst munitions are fucking terrifying

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>>59586471
I hate Ukraine with a passion but you're delusional if you think Russia could beat the USA

>>59586471
Before the war I was of the mind that the USA could take Russia with some difficulty. After this war (and especially after Prig's failed coup) I am convinced that they could take Moscow in a day.

Russia is a fucking joke.

>>59585451
so let me get this straight: the chinese are better at capitalism than you, so you want to resort to violence?
come on, you can do better anon
you're a proud member of the superior white race after all

>>59579481
Ironically, the Ukraine war delayed the process of American collapse and consolidated the West around the US, while sowing division among its strategic competitors. Just as long as American politicians don't do anything monumentally stupid, the American hegemony will be secured for the next few decades.

>>59580494
>Zelensky was a compromise candidate, a Russophone Jew who wanted to negotiate with and make a deal with the Russian people whom he called brotherly.
The funniest thing about Russian fifth-columnist propaganda is them trying to paint Zelensky as a fanatic war mongerer whilst it was the complete fucking opposite.
If Zelensky actually had not been so naive and tried to play friendly with Russia, Ukraine would have been in a much better situation today.

>>59579127
oh boy more cringe art

That cheap drones with Starlink are the future of warfare

>>59587508
>random billionaires are the future of warfare

>>59579127
1) Stop making conventional manned tanks and start making millions of small explosive drones, large bomber drones, mini tank drones/infantry drones.
2) Invest in manpads by the million
3) Invest in million more javelins
4) Starlink is the future skynet and must be expanded, controlled, and secured
5) Stock up on artiller shell and ordinance production.

They will need it for China soon enough. But I doubt they are ready or will be ready because the pentagon and intelligence agencies are dumbfuck retard idealogues that are more focused on social programs than preparation, procurement, and recruitment.

>>59582476
Yes and no, in terms of cost effectiveness if they don’t get the per round cost of PGM’s down a more accurate gun with drone corrected artillery can be a much more cost-effective solution with similar results. But if you’re like the US and can afford to do so PGMs as much as possible.

>>59583965
This is a long term byproduct of 70 years of Bolshevist Marxism, and mind you, Post Modern Critical Theory.
Take a look at Russia and see Americas future. A nation never survives the death of its foundation myths nor the abandonement of its temples and identity.

>>59587430
If russia can survive literally killing all its young men for no reason, I think the U.S. will be fine

>>59582315
Russia is a petro state, most of their economy is or was dependent upon energy and fossil fuel product exports. If it wasn’t for the 2014 sanctions placed on Russia, this war could’ve been a lot worse for Ukraine. Since those sanctions significantly handicapped the big rearmament and modernization effort the Russian military was undergoing around the same time.

The Russians mindlessly murdering Ukrainians and using human rights as more as a suggestion is just Slavs being Slavs, their disregard for human life is kind of baked into their DNA at this point

You can make up any old shit, post it to Reddit / 4chan, and simpletons will believe it without question as long as it supports what they already think.

They’ve known this for decades, but it’s impressive how they’ve convinced midwits that some irrelevant, corrupt post-soviet shithole is fighting for the future of democracy, and that it’s the most important thing to happen in decades.

Something awful was right all along. The internet makes you stupid.

>>59588575
>The US/NATO realised this 10 years ago
Damn the US knew in 2013 that Zelenzky would become President in 2019? thats crazy.

>>59585494
>>the best IFV / MBT dies to an ATGM the same as the worst

But the crew isn't ablative armor in western ones at least.

>>59579127
Instead of mitigating casualties, nuke the capital. Rob your enemy of culture, history, and organization and the masses scattered through the countryside won't rally against your occupation.

>>59579127
Drones are the new big thing in war.
>Verification not required

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>>59585464
DU is actually dirt cheap by virtue of being a waste product and easier to machine than tungsten.

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>>59579127
Pic related is very important to max out. Get it to expert asap.

>>59581377

If it was just about gas Russia would have first cut a deal with OPEC and King Salman. This is what Xi would have done and it would have been the greater diplomatic defeat for the west.

>>59579423
Half of those points like the India and energy independence one are legit the opposite of what the US Gov wants right now though.
Psyops part and the weapons stuff is on point though.

Honestly 90% of posts these days are state actors.

>>59579202
>>59579225
Sure thing bubba, you guys did REAL well in the M.E against dirt farmers lmao

>>59588642
Quasimodo predicted all of this.

>>59589328
Never said the government is rational or competent desu

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>>59588267
But what if, and hear me out: Manned tanks, but with drone swarm escorts! Coordinated attack drones doing constant sweeps ahead of armor like locusts, peppering foxholes and trenches with explosives, or feeding precise coordinates to air and artillery. While tanks steamroll anything on the ground requiring more firepower than a drone can carry.

>>59589685
>Meanwhile
>Some guy with an anti-tank weapon and some FLIR defeating equipment
>chills in cover while the swarm passes over
>pops the tank when it gets close
>now you have a very expensive wreckage and nothing controlling those drones

>>59589356

Do you not understand the concept of an insurgency? Russia cant even get to that point in ukraine.

>>59589766
He does. He just can't admit that his strongman idol is a flailing weakling with a laughably inept military so he resorts to the age old tactic of whataboutism.

>>59589356
>Completely defeated a military 7x larger than Ukraines and massively better equipped in 100 hours with less than 70 KIA

How do RusCucks deal with this fact emotionally

>>59589737
>>chills in cover while the swarm passes over
Dead

>>59589960
Beating drones by using effective camouflage is going to be high up in the near future of infantry skills to learn.

>>59586471
kek, I figured that the US could win a conventional war with Russia before Ukraine but I expected it to last decades.
Now I think the US would topple the government in months and the average Russian wouldn't give a fuck so long as Russian was the official language and it was still called Russia.

Covering your infantry in full body suits kevlar wasn’t actually a bad idea. artillery is still the biggest killer.

Why are all posts that are vaguely pro Russia instantly deleted?

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>>59579127
USA need a lot of new UAVs
Switchblade = shit

>>59586326
The US has historically retained it's military supremacy by not giving a shit if something is a paper tiger or not, and treating it as a potentially worthy adversary, only to find out years later they vastly over-prepared.

There's literally nothing wrong with this.

>>59593072
Because they're so orthogonal to reality that they're obvious agendaposts by idiot reactionaries or pajeet shills.

>>59586326
You’re probably right about China being a paper tiger but they’re big enough to be easily used to scare people into giving the MIC all their money.

>>59584253
Both sides are still using an ungodly amount of guided and unguided tube arty alongside their longer range munitions.

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>>59579325
>logistics
>Russia
Are you saying NATO should bomb thin air?

>>59589356
Sure thing Igor, you guys did REAL well in the M.E. against dirt farmers in the 1980s lmao kiddo get cucked

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>>59589356
Yeah we did really well.
You’re acting like it was some kind of embarrassing military defeat.
Can’t make inbred sandmonkeys do democracy, incompatible culture.

>>59579127
Offshoring industry sucks

>>59580367
is he sitting on top of the fucking anti grenade tarp

>>59579146
I mean the US KNOWS that which is WHY it's so invested into air supremacy. You can prevent such a grind from happening if you rule the skies.

But such a powerful airforce comes with the corresponding pricetag attached. You also need a huge amount of manpower since the ratio of talented pilots is low you need a large population and then on top of that an even bigger support apparatus.

>>59579127
hopefully to not let russia 2.0 into nato and the eu

>>59589356
Nice strawman you faggot.

>>59593072
Because the jannie team has been infiltrated by pro-Ukranian actors whether than be discord trannies, NAFO groomers or literal glowniggers. It's easy as fuck too given that every 3-4 months a new jannie recruitment drive takes place.

>>59593072
Because a bunch of them were the same ban evading faggot

>>59579127
That modern war is horrifying and should be avoided at all costs.

>>59579146
Only if you have Soviet war doctrine and both sides don't dominate the air

>>59586047
>The whole artillery and trench thing would be exactly the wrong lesson to learn. It's a uniquely Russian self-made problem stemming from the fact their military changed little since the Napoleonic times.
This

>>59579279
Artillery is useless when you dominate the air
Air defence, longs range weapons and logistics should be the priority

>>59579137
Drones are for more than hagi weddings

>>59581887
All that precious European oil....

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>>59597568
But the US didn't offshore the MIC. The 155mm artillery production wasn't shipped off to China. Nor the high-value manufacturing. It was the cheapo low-value consumer goods that left. Even after that we are the 2nd largest manufacturer.

>>59582260
>The goal is to cut off Russian energy exports to Europe.
Russia has done this repeatedly as a matter of policy since 2010. There's an argument that gas discovery in Eastern Ukraine contributed to the invasion but Russia is known by everyone to use energy as leverage. This is entry level stuff.

>>59597609
anon im not sure if you noticed but whatever the tarp was covering got fragged just fine

>>59582260
I responded too soon. The pipelines in Ukraine were always worthless without Russian sourced gas. Ukraine has never been a position to turn on the taps and cut off Russian control over the local market.

>>59582499
>attempting a regime-change
Not since day 4 of the operation.

>>59589356
Russia has downsized the definition of victory so hard that 'occupy the enemy capitol for 20 years, achieving literally nothing' retroactively became a win.