Prev thread hit limit >>59519932Isengard could have revolutionised warfare in Middle Earth>Literally on the brink of industrialisationIt hurts that Saruman had to throw it all away.What would /k/ have done in his stead?
>>59577388OP is a fuckin nerd
>>59577388>Literally on the brink of industrialisationyou sound like that autistic russian who wrote a mordor POV lotr fanficalso Numenor was already semi-steam punk in some of tolkiens drafts
>>59577433>The virgin Numenorean steam dabblersVs The Chad Isengard Explosive ordnance manufacturers
>>59577388>THE HOBBITS THE HOBBITS THE HOBBITS THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD TO ISENGARD
>>59577388Isengard should have just stayed neutral.
>>59577388>>Literally on the brink of industrialisationWell latter Saruman brought industrialization to teh Shire, but returning hobbits kicked his ass and Grima Wormtongue slit Saruman's throat because Saruman was mean to Grima.
Note that after the scare with the Nazgûl visiting Saruman was about to go repent to Gandalf — who had just escaped. I wonder what would have happened to him otherwise.
>>59577388They weren't industrailising, they were just clearcutting and shitting up the environment, without producing electricity or inventing other industrial means of manufacture. you should be ashamed for even liking that turd of a fanfic.>>59577433you might have autism, the thread is an obvious reference to that book.
>>59577534>without producing electricity or inventing other industrial means of manufactureAnd perhaps most importantly: they weren't developing more efficient means of transportation.
It was implied that the wise and enlightened Saruman made his Uruk-hai by "cross-breeding" captive human women with orcs in the depths of Isengard, right? Certainly he watched.Saruman is 100% a parable on the danger of succumbing to cuckoldry.
>>59577534>They weren't industrailising,Saruman latter build steam engine in teh Shire.
>>59577570Texts said.>Saruman had Orcs, Uruks and half-orcs in his service>Iirc half-orcs mentioned as light spear flank forces>It IS mentioned about breeding programs betwixt orc/human but I take this to refer to previously mentioned half-orcs>In texts Uruks are said to be 'a particular brutish and savage strain of Orc
>industry bad sword good>good person make good ruler simple as>once evil always evil foreverI love Tolkien's works (was raised on them, even) but as an adult I kinda disagree with many of his views and ideas. Middle Earth is a wonderful fantasy setting, but taking political lessons from it is like basing your views on economy entirely on Chronicles of Amber.
Who were the mountain tribespeople living in the area again? Did Saruman control them via his Voice or just did old-fashioned convincing? We’re they not at the battle of the Hornburg?
>>59577570We actually don't know. Tolkien was never clear on any of that. "Uruk" is just "Orc" in the "Black Speech of Mordor". Depending on exactly which of Tolkien's works you are reading orcs were either created by Morgoth, were simply "beasts of human shape", or were corrupted men or elves. He also wrote that orcs "multiplied like men and elves" and that orc women existed which suggests they reproduce sexually. However he also wrote that Morgoth created them from the slime of the earth using sorcery. It is stated that Uruks were made by breeding "orcs and goblin-men", but that doesn't make a lot of sense either because Tolkien often uses the term "goblin men" interchangeably with "orc". In the Peter Jackson movies the Uruks are shown coming out of the ground, sort of like what was originally said about Morgoth making orcs from the slime in the ground. Also, originally the Uruks came from Mordor long before Saruman had any.
>>59577719Dunland tribesmen, deceived by Saruman. In the books they were at Helm's Deep, with many taken prisoner and later released; in the movies they were kinda forgotten.
>>59577649Here's your text, bro.
In Tolkien’s early writings wasn’t there an Orc…uh, maid? With whom Melkor had "relations" with?
>>59577491STUPID FAT HOBBITS
>>59577388Isengard was much more advanced (like renaissance level) in technology in the film. In the book they were just another pack of miniature ogres with crude gunpowder bombs like the Chinese had a gorillion years ago.>Literally on the brink of industrialisationThe industrial revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
>>59577455>The virgin "burn half the planet to linearly increase the tech we already have while exponentially increasing waste" Isengard >the Chad "Bows that can shoot arrows ten miles accurately and ships that fly in space" Numenor
>>59577733The Uruk Hai in the movie are stated to be bred, and from what I remember of some behind the scenes comment, putting them in the ground was done as infants to make them grow faster.
>>59578524>The Uruk Hai in the movie are stated to be bredYeah, from "orcs and goblin-men", which basically means "orcs and orcs" given the way Tolkien wrote, so it doesn't explain a whole lot. I haven't seen the behind-the-scenes commentary but I have read that some people theorized having them come out of the ground was meant as a reference to Morgoth. I don't think they were a cross-breed per se, I think they were just bred from the strongest orcs. A subspecies or race of orc. Like >>59577852shows, orc-human crossbreeds aka "half orcs" were their own thing. Putting the Uruks in the ground as infants to make them grow faster makes sense as it explains why Saruman was able to raise an army of that size so quickly.
>>59578753>basically means "orcs and orcs"orc-MEN>having them come out of the ground was meant as a reference to Morgoth.I, for one, thought Saruman would play God and make them out of mud and earth in leu of red clay. Using pre-existing molds (men and orc), since evil cannot create.
>>59577534>They weren't industrailising, they were justHarnessing waterpower to operate machinery and mass producing wrought iron armaments using rudimentary standardization to speed up manufacture?
>>59577534The Industrial Revolution started 120 years before Edison's lightbulb and 80 years before the telegraph.
>>59578949>mass producing wrought iron armaments using rudimentary standardization to speed up manufacture?venice did the same shit with their shipyards in the 1400s, that hardly makes it an industrial revolution.
>>59577719>Did Saruman control them via his Voice or just did old-fashioned convincing?The latter.
>>59578509>The Chad "progress of civilization" Isengardversus>The Virgin "selling our souls to the literal devil because his understudy was really good at giving compliments" Numenor
>>59579187Give me any good reason as to why I should care about progressing civilization.
>>59579251>i dont have a lick of college education: the post
>>59579262My "brother" just beat me until I bruised and bloody in his drug fueled rage, and then my parents see it all on camera. The next I know he's lying to my dad, who believes him and thinks I'm some kind of would be murderer. My mom sends the video to the extended family and then the next day my phone is blown up about how it's all my fault because I don't "get out of the house enough." I'm about to drop out of college and quit life because in my experience, civilization and humanity and irredeemable hell.
>>59579294sorry, but we have nothing to do with that
>>59577388>Loses to treesReally revolutionary.
>>59579358You're forgetting the part where they destroyed the dam and flooded all of Isengard.
>>59577570maybe it was the other way around and he brought in the wild men to slay snagussy
>>59579418>BREAK THE DAM! RELEASE THE RIVER!
>>59579575Bit of poor planning that, was there not something he could have done to prevent this? Some kind of flood defence maybe? Y'know just in case the damn failed of its own accord? Even before we get to the notion of it being destroyed by the enemy.
>>59577491>>59577936>uploaded 17 years ago>it's a reuploadJesus Christ
>>59577388>It hurts that Saruman had to throw it all away.Like Tolkien was going for some kind of theme.
>>59577696No wonder you don't agree with his views, you don't fucking understand them.Why don't you go ahead and post your gun with timestamp while we're at it
>>59579187>Sell soul after a massive amount of success for a long, long time, leave glorious successor states Vs>Sell soul day one for no reason, disappear forever
>>59577388>What would /k/ have done in his stead?Not side with Satan as a lower angel who knows for a fact God is real, omnipotent and inevitably victorious.
>>59578753They're flat out stated to be bred, not created, and Goblin-men definitely refers to the Dundelings, in the extended edition their leader even had wierd orc like teeth.
>>59580395Human women getting bred by orcs is hot, buy why would there be any men around at that point
>>59579294Can we see the video
>>59580395>>59578753Tolkien found himself in somewhat of a bind.On the one hand, he wrote that evil can not create, only corrupt.On the other hand, he found it (as a Christian) difficult to say that there were people beyond redemption. And normal breeding orcs imply orc babies.
>>59580681Orcish pussies, AKA heaven on earth
>>59577388>Literally on the brink of industrialisation>implying this is a good thing
>>59580738Heofonum on Eorthe
>>59580388I wish that was the case in our world
>>59580504He could have also had Orc women shipped to him. He's the kind of autist to try every combination of degeneracy until he ends up with the Hybrid he was after.Look at how those Dundelings act and fight. Those are not men in a healthy place. Those are men drunk off orc puss.
The weird thing about Tolkien is that he supposedly explores shades of grey morality, slides into darkness and redemption— but he doesn’t really. The bad guys are thoroughly bad and the good guys are thoroughly good. Ie, Boromir might have been a little edgy at times but was still a lawful-good Man of the West at the end. Legolas’ dad whatshisface might have been short-sighted / cowardly but still lawful-good at the end of the day because he’s an Elf so of course he is. Meanwhile the villains including entire races have no good-aligned qualities whatsoever. Even Saruman had evil qualities as far back as Valinor, as if he was destined to be full-fledged evil. Other characters like Denathor are just crazy and mind-controlled and not actually evil.
>>59579294Show us the video buddy
>>59580681The fact that he considered it a conundrum, and did not close off the issue, perfectly encapsulates why his philosophy is not so simple as he was being accused of.He hadn't even *fully* decided what orcs even were: if they were mutated elves, mutts of every race combined, purely creations of evil magic, or were once some unknown obscure race. He was at the very least strongly leaning towards the idea that they were a "race" and had souls and Wills and were not just piles of mud given the power of motion.But in any case, there isn't a chance in the universe that Tolkien thought, if writing under the idea that they are living beings capable of choice and understanding polluted by dark magic rather than golems, that through the grace of God they could not, conceivably, choose to do good.
Another weird thing about the Tolkien world is how there’s no politics. There’s peasants in the background, soldiers are like faceless blocks of units in an RTS, followed by named characters, ie, captains and princes, with kings at the top. That’s it. No nobles. No courtiers. No tradespeople. No merchants. No nothing. Just RTS blobs moving around with named characters roving the map.
>>59581026Theoden's "possession" is far less explicit in the book than in the film, and thus the story is much harder on him. He just kind of got depressed and let everyone around him suffer and die for a year because he was blackpilled and weak.So you could say that his story in the book is a collosal and titanic redemption arc.
>>59581092I take it you haven't read much mythology.
The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
>>59581096>So you could say that his story in the book is a collosal and titanic redemption arc.So how did he do it
>>59581212How many days does it take
>>59581232He didn't just stop masturbating. He was also watching Andrew Tate and lifting every day. He stopped eating sugar, took cold showers, and bought new cologne.
>>59580738>tfw you will never be a gondorian farmer, tending your fields after the war with the help of your orcish warbride
How old were you when you realized Sam actually did eat the lembas bread?
>>59581026Boromir does a death bed confession and accepts Aragorn as his rightful lord, who then pardons his actions. Why is he forgiven? Because Aragorn said so. That isn't redemption, it's absolution. And absolution is ultimately arbitrary; it's a metaphysical form of deus ex machina (which Tolkien is a fan of in general). Why are you forgiven? Because you are. That's it. There's no other explanation needed, there's other explanation possible. You just are.That type of redemption may be good Christianity, but it's bad storytelling.>>59581062That actually perfectly encapsulates why Tolkien's philosophy is EXACTLY as simple as he was accused of.How do I reconcile the fact that the Orcs are universally evil with the notion that God gave us freewill as well as intelligence? I don't. I provide a handful of mutually contradictory answers to where the orcs came from, none of which actually address the moral and philosophical issues involved. And in the end, I don't even settle on one explanation or another. If I can't reconcile the existence of God with the Problem of Evil, even within a fictional framework of my own devising, I don't change the story or somehow try to address the inconsistency within the work. I just shrug.
>>59582328>Why are you forgiven?Because Rightful King says so.Return of the King.It all aligns with mythical idea (and LoTR is made up myth) that Rightful King has Mandate of Heaven and makes Everything Right. Land is ruled by Usuper and everything goes wrong: weather, coelws doesn't produced milk, tax police is wrong. Everything.Rightful King takes the crown and everything becomes right. What tax policy Aragon had? Nobody remembers exactly, just one thing: it was right. Proper, just, noble. And everyone where happy during his rule.
>>59581092And the history within Tolkien's legendarium is just so bloody empty. There's 3000 years separating Isildur cutting off Sauron's finger and the events of LotR, and in that time, Gondor just sits there existing. Everything that occurs to it in those three millennia fails to alter the kingdom in any fundamental way. There's some stuff about a plague, and they fight the wainriders or easterlings or whatever, and there's a general sense of decline and malaise. But nothing fucking changes. Gondor stays a monarchy the entire time, only now it's not a king but a hereditary steward ruling. Same system, different title. Tolkien could have made the Third Age last a 1000 years, or 500, or 120 and it wouldn't make a difference because nothing fucking happens--- it's just space filler.
>>59577388>Ctrl-F>Last Ringbearer>Phrase not foundAnon come on
>>59582328The Orc problem didn’t NEED to be a problem. For example, you could easily say that there WERE good Orcs who were able to overcome their birth and upbringing and achieve redemption. But, like Human-Elf mixes it would be so rare that they would be dealt with on an individual basis and for all we know there’s a small section in the Halls of Mandos where redeemed Orcs await their final judgement. If they were twisted Elves, maybe they can have their spiritual flaws striped clean and put into circulation as a regular Elven soul. If they’re some kind of mess introduced by Melkor’s notes, maybe they could be re-worked into a human soul and given the human afterlife as a reward for passing a really tough test. Maybe something else entirely. I mean, if half-Elves get literally asked which kind of soul they want, why not?
>>59579695Akshually in the books there is no dam initially. The ents set it up in order to flood Isengart.
>>59582328Post your gun real quick outsider
>>59582393Who shills this in every thread even remotely touching on Tolkien's work? Is it you, Pilgrim?
>>59577388>Isengard could have revolutionised warfare in Middle EarthIrrelevant, they got btfod by a fraction of rohan. Industrialization is evil in lotr and always inferior to good people
>>59555905The balance of MESBG is frankly the best I've seen in a miniatures game. The ruleset is easy to learn hard to master and how you play is far more important than listbuilding. The game revolves around resource management and has pretty low lethality. Armoured battlelines grinding against each other ebb and flow but it can take a while for models to die. Its all about tactics like envelopment, cavalry flanking, or heroes busting through to really cut apart armoured infantry. Very fun and intuitive to play.
Isengard lacked any proper industrialization process, it was just endless sweatshops producing low quality goods.
>>59577388Fire-tipped ballistae on the Ring of Isengard, especially the half facing Fangorn. Manned by orcs at first, swap them out with Nasty Girl-tier Uruks after we have enough for the 10k army proper. >Crap Uruks?Of course, there's always gonna be a few fatties that won't make the cut to march on Helm's Deep. Supplement them with orc fire archers and hachetmen. If the hatchmen look too bored, put them to work digging an oil-filled treetrap around the ring. Now, the dam at the upper river. Again several batteries of fire ballistae, but also top-tier Uruks. Fire trenches fire archers the works. That dam cannot be allowed to fall.I mean imagine losing to fucking TREES. Fuck man, Saruman dropped the ball big time.
>>59581859He didn't though?
>>59583996So what's a burg. Is it like a hamburger, or maybe an Edinburg.
>>59577388>almost desolates their entire biomeno wonder they have to depend on necromancy to muster a competent army
>>59582386What are you talking about a bunch of stuff happened, Gondor prospered and expanded and "reclaimed some of the night of Numenor" while in other places the men of the west dwindled and their does overtook then, such as those who went to dwell on "the night north downs, which men now call dead men's dyke and shun the place". There was a ton of stuff that happened in that era, just because the main events of the story didn't happen during those years didn't mean "Gondor just sat there existing" there were whole population movements, empires rose and fell. Osgiliath, Minas 'Morgul' which was taken over by the Witch-King of Angnar and during all this there was fighting against over factions of Middle Earth which also existed at the time such as the Easterlings and Haradrim.It's a bit of a stretch to say nothing happened, quite a lot happened.
>>59584229Phone posting typos >night = nigh, does = foes
>>59583728>Muh fire arrowsIt's actually super hard to set green wood on fire.
>>59577388>What would /k/ have done in his stead?help Aragorn and fuck Eowyn
Once the scout Uruks had failed to sieze the ring,>First thing I would do is secure my immediate position by garrisoning the Uruk-Hai and fortifying Orthanc>Immediately dispatch messengers to the council that no further action will taken to secure the ring by Isengard>Sue for peace with the council>Claim judgement was clouded by Sauron through the Palantir and Saruman was deluded into thinking he must control the ring for the good of all>Pledge alliance with Rohan/Gondor>The wise are unlikely to refuse such an offer of peace and alliance from one so powerful and ultimately useful as Saruman, besides a defended and fortified Orthanc would be beyond their immediate capabilities to take, not with the siege of Minas Tirith looming/under-wayThrough this set of actions it might be possible to prevent the Ent attack, or failing that with 10,000 fighting Uruk-Hai and increased fortification of Orthanc it should be feasible to withstand the assault. I expect the fires of Orthanc would prove useful weapons against the Ents. Should this be the case Saruman is in a much better position>Orthanc has been further fortified and garrisoned by 10,000 Uruk-Hai>The council are allies or at worst, neutral to Isengard>Rohan has no reason to assault Isengard and can send it's forces to reinforce Minas Tirith>There should be no threat from the forces of Mordor other than what can be levied from Dol-Guldor, which is unlikely to prove sufficient to sieze Orthanc>Saruman has options here, he can send his forces to assault Dol-Guldor, which holds up the notion of alliance with the council but at far less risk to himself or his forces than if he was to march the Uruk-Hai against Mordor and he can do this under the notion of "securing the backlines" and alieviating pressure on the Elves strongholdsThere's some other options too.
>>59584854As part of his plea for mercy from the council he could also offer to give up the Palantir.
>>59584854Super cool actually
>>59585251Famine and disease results in authoritarianism
>>59584854Based on this plan I would, after confirming the new alliance with the council, march the forces of Isengard on Dol-Guldor. To free up the elves strongholds so that they can mobalise reinforcements to aid the west. Without this assistance we know that the elves were able to scratch up a force of archers which proved pivotal in the defence of Helms Deep, so with Dol-Guldor neutralised they bought be able to scratch up a far larger force to send against Mordor.>This has the duel benefit of maintaining the perceptions in this new alliance between Isengard & the council by providing them some benefit whilst also expending far less of the Uruk-Hai force than if it had been sent against a larger most of Mordor. As Dol-Guldor is comparativly lightly defended. Just off the top of my head Mordors forces at Dol-Guldor number in the lower thousands and would be unlikely to resist an assault by the Uruk-Hai. >You could probably get away with sending 8,000 to Dol-Guldor and keeping back 2,000 at Orthanc justincase.jpgFuck they already have the siege equipment ready and unless expended on the Ents [as this plan may have prevented there ever being an Ent attack] the fires of Orthanc [explosive charges] would also still be available for use.I expect Dol-Guldor would get instantly fucked hard.
Was this an appropriate use of Mordor's defense budget?
>>59582633You'd think Isengardians would've noticed a goddamn dam being built upstream when the river dried out.
>>59586057>Neutralise Dol-Guldor>Garrison with a few thousand Uruk-Hai>Main force returns to Orthanc to continue the war against Mordor>Saruman can continue to expand his forces>Dol-Guldor can be rebuilt and refortified by the garrison troops>Saruman can continue to breed his army and swell the ranks defending Dol-Guldor and Orthanc while taking a minimal part in the war against Mordor
>>59586083Better than anything I could have thought of. And it worked too
>>59586083Well, it worked.So, yes.
>>59582404And all Tolkien needed to do is write 1 virtuous orc into his story, even in the form of a legend, to get rid of the moral inconsistency. But he didn't.
>>59583622>endless sweatshops producing low quality goodsYou just describe the first 160 years of the Industrial Revolution.
>>59584137>an ancient or medieval fortress or walled town.>The word borough derives from the Old English word burg, burh, meaning a fortified settlement; the word appears as modern English bury, -brough, Scots burgh, borg in Scandinavian languages, Burg in German.
>>59586057>Without this assistance we know that the elves were able to scratch up a force of archers which proved pivotal in the defence of Helms DeepSource on that? I don't recall any elves at Helms Deep.
>>59586379If you read the last thread we are not ignoring the film's, we are exploring possibilities from both the texts and the film's. In he film's there was elves present at the defence of Helms deep.
>>59577388>What would /k/ have done in his stead?Side with the coalition of good guys because:1. If Sauron gets the ring, he will be too powerful for me to defeat.2. The Free People of Middle Earth (including me) are more likely to find the ring than I am alone. And, as a member of their council, I will learn of this fact and be able to take action to steal it.3. If my own forces are the ones to find the ring, I simply keep it and turn on the Free People (which is what Saruman did in the story, except I now have the ring too).4. If the ring if destroyed after all, I don't have to flee to Argentina... er, "the East"--- to avoid being imprisoned by the White Council.5. If the pre-war status quo continues after the ring is destroyed, I am no worse off than I was.6. If Gandalf and the elves leave Middle Earth (as they did in the story) I remain "out of a sense of duty" and naturally become the dominant force in Middle Earth once the White Council and the other Rings of Power have been taken off the board.7. I spend the next Age trying to make a One Ring of my own. And why not? I'm a Maia, just like Sauron was. I was an apprentice of Aulë, just like Sauron was. Why can't I learn to do what he did? Even if it doesn't work, it's something to keep me busy in retirement.8. If I fail at ring-making and get depressed, I give up on life, go full NEET, and hey hey hey hey, smoke the halfing's leaf every day.
>>59586317Interesting so is a hamburger a walled fortress of ham?
>>59586696No, a hamburger is a person from a town with a wall made of ham.
>>59586140It's not an inconsistency to not show everything that possibly exists in a setting on screen. The Illiad didn't have Harpies in it, that's not a failing.
>>59586707Don't put flour on your dog
>>59579147The scrying devices he used let him see their past and argue with much more eloquence as he already knew their history, without never talking to or knowing them previously.
>>59582404>you could easily say that there WERE good Orcs who were able to overcome their birth and upbringing and achieve redemptionHypothetically speaking how would you do this
>>59586857The moment orcs started a redemption arc, they'd revert to being elves. There is no story of an orc redemption because they will not be orcs anymore. Its an identity tied with their actions.
>>59582404Half-elves had one soul, nigger. The choice of wanting to die as a human or as an elf was given to them because all half-elves had potential. Hence how Elrond as a half-elf could be king of the elves.
>>59587123>Scrying devicesYou mean scrolls? Wasn't Saruman learned and wise in many lores? Did he not study long in the archives of Minas Tirith and was said to know more than even Denothor? Whom is master of the lore of the city?But yeah I expect it was just known or known to him that the wildmen used to occupy Rohirim lands before Rohan siezed them.
>>59588049He has a Palantir, which lets him delve into the past and take a peak into the future. He was all that, but he would know much more details through that than documents, especially after defecting to Sauron
>>59583619I cant believe you got back to me.are the armies pretty distinct in what they do well?
>>59587111It's powdered sugar
>>59577388Do you guys think that Gondorian nurses were cute pink scrubs.
>>59589381no, gondorian nurses were gossiping old ladies and mumbling herb-masters
>>59577388>No fossil fuels>No chance of fossil fuels even being discovered either because your planet doesn't have aeons of retarded trees and microbes and tectonic activity before the first sapients arrived>Not even a proper economy driving the effort>It's just one guy with legions of retards under his commandThat entire world is absolutely sabotaged for industrial expansion. The one population that could have *easily* industrialized is immortal, immune to half the motivating factors for technological improvement, and has an unfathomably sticky sociocultural environment absolutely smothering innovation.
>>59589849they have an excess of volcanos
>>59589921This seems more of a hazard than an asset
>>59589849>The one population that could have *easily* industrialized is immortal, immune to half the motivating factors for technological improvement, and has an unfathomably sticky sociocultural environment absolutely smothering innovation.Why would you do anything if immortal when you can just lay in bed, eat bread, build pretty towns, and rest cozy with pretty she-elfs?
>>59590074but if you want industrialization they have supreme geothermal right there
>>59581385>the orc war bridegood for pulling the plow i suppose.
>>59590080That's kind of the point, the elves aren't retarded and they have literal immortal geniuses among them but they have no need to advance technologically>Be me, Yendiraohagahhhhhhv, elf, IQ 187>Finally finishing my education majoring in the elven classics, only a few centuries left, about to hit my 18,000th birthday>Been working on the plans for a new technology, a "firearm" in my spare time>Want to go ahead and build and test it>For the wood, grow beautiful hardwood from grandma's enchanted seeds>Select and ritually harvest the heartwood of the 13 most blessed trees four decades later>For the metal, pick up meteorites for 29 years>Discard all the meteorites that didn't come from stars in my ancestral constellation Yendiraoheim >It's about the little things>Work tirelessly for 13 months to shape the wood and metal atom by atom through ritually singing over it>I finally have my firearm, a marvel of crafts-elf-ship>Spend 7 years getting to know all my neighbors in the surrounding 81 mile radius who could hear my testing>Assure them I will schedule around their 23-hour-a-day group singing sessions>The day to test it finally comes>So nervous I haven't slept or eaten in 13 days, I've satisfied myself with the morning dew>Have invited all my classmates, including my crush Gyevthievenne>My boomstick looks great, I'm ready to go>Set up a target across the field>Take aim>Fire>The ball flies true, but my elf eyes can already tell I'm 7 millimeters to the left>The class claps sheepishly, embarrassed for me>My classmate Starvyhefniir steps forward, smirk on her face>This is the girl who's been making fun of me for confusing "Tyches'var the magnificent" and "Tyches'var the majestic" one time back in 11,434th grade>She's also the 87-time archery champion of our village (I'm only 54-time champ)>She pulls out her enchanted bow (gifted to her by Ythefithryn)>She shoots>Bullseye>I knew this technology shit was a dumb idea
>>59577388>I'm not done talking about IsengardLooks like you are now
>>59590514Starvyhefniir sounds hot
>>59586108It's happening while the Ents are attacking and destroying Isengart and they can't do anything about it
why did isengard's non-urukhai orcs get shit equipment?
>>59590155Get out of here with your Warcraft poisoned 5e bullshit.
>>59591769A lot of it was probably not made in Isengard, just daubed with the White hand. Although I'm sure a lot was indeed manufactured there. Iirc I remember seeing non-uruk Isengard Orcs wearing something similar to a more basic version of the Uruk-Beserker helm picrel. They also made pointed shortswords not like the standard Uruk-Blade which iv seen carried by Orcs? Uruk centurions? In the games workshop models I'm pretty sure the wildmen. Of Dunland are equipped with a bunch of clearly Isengard made arms and helms. I'll grab a pic and post it in a reply to this post.
>tfw no orcussy to dominate
>>59592056Guess I was imagining the helms I mentioned on the Wildmen, but we can see them carrying Isengard blades, I wonder if the implication was Isengard made them the Glavies and pointed swords also? Or they chucked them a few thousand Uruk blades and the Wildmen brought their own polearms.
>>59592056Picrel are standard patterns of Orc helm, looks like the Orcs from Mordor in service of Isengard had their own gear originally, then daubed it with the White hand, while the Uruks being newly raised forces had the Isengard manufactured kit.
>>59577388Is there a reason Isengard had zero defensives against the Fangorn ents despite knowingly chopping their forest? It seems like they were caught with their pants down
>>59582328>Tolkien's philosophy is EXACTLY as simple as he was accused of.And that is perfectly fine. It mimics reality perfectly. In real life, tall blond religious white men and women are great people in almost every case throughout history, while every other brownoid aren't. Simple as.
>>59597003Only three people still believed Ents existed. None of them were Saruman.
>>59577388based lotr autist
>>59597186Who were they then
>>59597003>Is there a reason Isengard had zero defensives against the Fangorn ents despite knowingly chopping their forest? It seems like they were caught with their pants down"Ha ha ha stupid trees they spend five days talking about the morning weather they're retarded they never do anything I can just cut down their forest you wont do shit you wont do shit"A wizard should know better.
>>59597830Gandalf, Radagast, and Tom Bombadil.Others like Saruman and Elrond knew of them but thought them passed from the world.
>YWN be an Uruk-Hai deserter making your living on farms around the lands of men>Women recoil from you initially, but watching the feats of incredible strength you perform and how your body looks glistening with sweat slowly wins them over>By the time harvesting is done, you're swimming in human maiden pussy>The men get testy about this for sure, but being generous with your drink and a reliable worker helps to prevent all-out hostility>Fuck some bussy too just for good measure>Head to the next town>RepeatThe good life.
>>59598067Saruman consistently was so involved in the future he forgot the past. He either dismissed the idea or actually saw it in his Palantir but thought of something wrong in himself; he was the only wizard hopeless on a win by team Humans.
>>59598189So weird dude
>>59577388Yknow, we all assume Orc/Urukhai/Goblin women would be super ugly, but all we have to go on is men, covered in mud and garbage, who have been having their bones broken and insides run through the nutritional and air quality wood chipper since they could walk. Really fucking ugly humans wouldn't look out of place in the orc hordes.What I'm saying is that cute grey skinned orc girls (once you hose them down and comb the centipedes out of their hair) are a real possibility.
>>59598189Uruk Hai follow orders, they're lawful, not degenerates like you.
>>59579294im with the other guys. video or bust
>>59600524>Fucking women is degeneracySounds kinda gay man
>>59600685Breathing in the scent of men's balls is the opposite of degenerate
>>59600714Hell yeah man you're getting it
>>59600685>Fucks against social order>Moves on instead of raising his childrenpeak degeneracy.
>>59600815>Nooo you're supposed to have sex once and then never do it againNah mate sorry
>>59580742Fuck lad. Either we figure out this whole AI and autonomous manufacturing thing or the future of the 1st world is just an endless stream of migrants from the 3rd.
>>59601089>Nooo you're supposed to have sex once and then never do it againWhat does that have to do with anything I said retard?
>>59588769Just because he can get a look at the past doesn't mean he can watch every event that's ever happened like a movie.
>>59602748Yeah but it may have lent him some more personal insight into a historical event, beyond what he knew from conventional learning. So that when to rile up the wildmen he could maybe name some particular injustices or bring up clans that were out to the sword by Rohan etc. Rather than just caught knowing that Rohan conquered the region and drove them out
>>59582328>Why is he forgiven? Because Aragorn said so.What a child you are.Boromir is forgiven and Aragorn TELLS HIM SO, it's not a magic spell, it's not arbitrary you post modernist faggot.
>>59599492>we all assume Orc/Urukhai/Goblin women would be super ugly, but all we have to go on is menHalf the orcs and goblins are actually female, they don't have sexual dimorphism =]