How do militaries prevent mutinies among the rank and file? What situations are likely to lead to mutiny?
>>58344346Kill them all
>>58344346By meming that there’s an external enemy.Conservatives will lick any boot that tells them they are justified in killing someone else.
>>58344346>How do militaries prevent mutinies among the rank and file?Generally through brainwashing, the polite word being 'indoctrination.' This is supplemented with benefits, though these can be pretty threadbare, and safeguarded by internal police forces.>What situations are likely to lead to mutiny?Anything that unreasonably (for the situation) threatens basic human needs (especially if it only seems to be happening to enlisted), or which compromises the implicit trust between enlisted and officer. Extended periods of intense stress, too, which is one of many reasons why you rotate units in contact with the enemy.
>>58344366>Conservatives will lick any boot that tells them they are justified in killing someone else.no one has to tell me Putin needs killing, I can gather that much from listening Putin talk
>>58344413Are you in combat with Putin right now?See how you’re telling yourself that someone needs killing doesn’t motivate you as well as someone else giving you permission to kill?Conservatives are basically soldier ants who need a monarch to tell them what to do. They’re hopeless on their own, and will be reduced to killing their own colony if not fed appropriate propaganda.
Corrupt brother wars, government persecution of the church, using the everyday man as cannon fodder for war profits, politicians, and so on. The kind of things that made people suicide from the GWOT is the same factors that made them mutiny.In other words, zionist occupation and a brother war that doesn't need to exist. Same goes for Putin and his selfish interests. It's why the Russian forces mutinied and formed these rebel groups and separatist groups, as well as actual Russians from Ukraine.If you have to ask "why are they revolting?" you are already out of touch.
>>58344451Hey fuck you buddy, you know the US military is not known for being full of liberals.You sound sick in the head, an honorable warrior fights for what is good and true, and makes a better world for all of us.
>>58344346installed more hardcore commissars to watch over the penal legions.Give them power fist, power swords, bolter guns and power dildos.to show these slavs who's the boss
>>58344346If the MoD is now doing forced conscription, it's slavery.The MoD is emptying Russia's prisons by pressing prisoners into conscription by force, literal human waves of slave soldiers.
>>58344492They can't contain Prigo, this seems to further imply that Prigo and maybe even Wagner PMC are going rogue against the Kremlin
>>58344451>Are you in combat with Putin right now?why yes I do have several mangled corpses tortured to death in my basement that used to belong some unlucky FSB officers
>>58344346didn't realize they were still recruiting prisoners, just to a different group now. no wonder priggy has been shitting on shiogu.
>>58344492It's not "slavery", it's civil service. Jesus, you sound like a hippie.
Democracy and a volunteer military that is subordinate to an elected citizen government.The US never really had a problem with mutinies because if soldiers feel their rights are being infringed on by a sole tyrannical officer they can complain to their congressman or senator.
Not sure if it is true, OP twitter account has been known to post bullshit. That said, Russia is suffering all the WW1 mistakes and problems:1. Industrially underdeveloped and technologically backwards 2. Using a brutal police state to supress people.3. Poor and uneducated populace4. Had limited democracy to provide an outlet for reform.5. Lead by an autocrat who believed himself a strategist and refused to listen to unpleasant information6. Allowing inflation to soar, erode buying power, and cost people their living standards7. The inefficiency of the state began to hollow out political support8. Significant military mistakes leading to battlefield reverses 9. Mobilizing political prisoners into the army which radicalized it and eroded morale and discipline. 10. Issues with the distribution and transport infrastructure. I think I can provide links for articles on every one of those points. Just a fucking disaster.
>>58344468>an honorable warrior fights for what is good and trueA warrior fights for what effective propaganda tells him is good and true.>Obama didn’t bomb that foreign country? He’s showing weakness! He’s inviting attack! HE’S MAKING US LESS SAFE!>Obama bombed that foreign country? All he’s doing is making them mad! HE’S MAKING US LESS SAFE!>Trump bombed that foreign country? What strength! What conviction! They’ll now know never to fuck with the US of A!>Trump didn’t bomb that foreign country? What restraint! They now know that they only live by our mercy!>I would go anywhere, kill anyone, and die for my President Trump!
>>58344512Well then you get a pass.
>>58344557west doesn't need political leaders, they could all drop dead and nothing would change, meanwhile, Russia needs Putin despite him being complete useless subhuman garbage
>>58344544do you remember vietnam?
>>58344346You avoid mutinies, through not having shit leadership, and understanding basic human needs. That is all. You can get a crew of 20 year olds to walk into machinegun fire willingly if you treat it as the correct thing to do, and treat them with respect. (respect being a vary vary variable thing. Marines are treated at once with zero respect by the corps, but simultaneously more respect than anyone outside the corps)
>>58344346Morale, provided by warm food, decent living conditions, competent leadership and an outlet to direct their aggression towardsEsprit de corps is also of immense help, especially if you can't guarantee the aforementioned. There is a reason that USMC is a cult just as much as it is a military force
>>58344564Without political leaders conservatives would try to recreate The Handmaid’s Tale within a week.It’s only the working framework of liberal democracy that keeps them at bay.
>>58344642>The Handmaid’s Talesorry I only read good fiction
>>58344451>ConservativesI fucking wish it was just "conservatives". One look at torture experiments shows that it's just every human under ~110 IQ that follows orders unquestioningly. Like literally no moral thought at all, complete 180* from their own ethical positions the second someone in a uniform tells them to do anything.
>>58344584No, was that when we famously had a volunteer army?
>>58344659>I know it’s not good without reading it because I can tell it won’t tell me what my worst instincts want to hear.Which rather aligns with what I said.
>>58344687>under 110 IQThat’s pretty much just another way of saying “conservatives”.
>>58344697I do not understand why you insist on bringing this americacentric garbage into this discussion, no society operates like that and the reasons have nothing to do with anything you bring upits like you're trying to provoke people by beelining to utter retardation
>Conservatives liberals GWOT culture war blah blah blahOne ruble has been deposited in your account
>>58344727>One ruble has been deposited in your accountI think its the americans pretending to be retarded russians, believing anyone falls for themtoo bad they're fucking retarded
>>58344708Well 75% of the voting population is "conservative" then
>>58344740I never said otherwise.
>>58344528Anon, forcing someone to perform lethal work under uncertain conditions without their consent or compensation is slavery. It just happens that this form of enslavement also requires them to shoot at other Slavs.
>>58344346why would the russians train their conscripts in ukraine? seems like a good way for them to get blown the fuck up by artillery before they even know what they're doing
>>58344492all conscription is forced, retard. slavery is only bad when somebody other than the state or the tribe is benefitting.
>>58345294>Get paid jack shit because wage negotiation is undermined by slavery
>>58344708Kek... 14 year old confirmed.
>>58344502I suspect Wagner has a HUGE grudge against the Kremlin, and they're willing to use the Ukrainians to get back at said place.It is a hilarious irony that Wagner, Ukraine, and Russian MoD all fucking HATE each other.
>>58344346Mutiny is extremely rare so I think they have bigger fishes to fry desuWhen is the last time you have seen a mutiny in any military?
>>58344346Generally speaking in the US Army you make sure the NCO and Officer corps have the right people. That doesn't mean you need Mr. Clean. That means you need the right men for the job. Generally you can't give rank to a psycho or sociopath, and they have to inspire enough discipline and respect for people to either follow them or follow their orders. They have to at least have a baseline level of care about soldiers and their needs. Not too much and not too little. As well officers and NCOs especially need to work themselves out of a job. The first sergeant is looking for the next first sergeant, the platoon sergeant is keeping an eye on squad leaders for his relief, and squad leaders are watching their junior enlisted for who is ready to become a junior NCO. Officers and the retention NCO/career counselors are keeping an eye out for guys who can cut their teeth and make it through OCS, WOC School, or direct commission. Then to tie everything up in a nice pretty bow the admin staff needs to make sure that your guys are getting paid, fed, and accruing leave. I guess it goes without saying, but don't send units with low morale on suicide missions. Let units with espirit de corps do the heavy lifting. If you've got a unit that's weak and down don't ask too much of them. Also never tell a baldfaced lie to troops. If troops don't trust you then you can't lead them. TLDR: No psychopaths or sociopaths in leadership.Pay troops.Have decent leaders and find more decent leaders.Care about people and their career development .Hot chow and enlistment/reenlistment bonuses. No tough missions for units that are low strength and low morale. Don't lie or betray trust. That's pretty much all you have to do.So pretty much the opposite of what the Russians do.
>>58344346keep morale high above all else, but with todays access to information, soldiers know better than ever the true conditions at the front line (if they want it) so if they know they're being sent to a meat grinder with a 99% chance of death within 6 months, fragging superior officers is the highest likely survival strategy
>>58344366>conservatives conservatives conservatives conservatives conservatives conservativesWe get it buddy, you don't like your dad. Stick to twitter with this shit.
>>58344346>Russia is already using penal battalionsYou have to respect the total commitment to the Great Patriotic War larp.
>>58347257>alreadyare you stuck in first 3 months of a war? Since summer 2022 Russia used penal battalions
>>58344492the us could field a 2mil plus army with convicts
>>58344346>russians>defying authorityim gonna need some proofs there, its hard for me to believe that there are russians that arent subhuman slaves
>>58348244criminals obviously are well known for their respect of civil authority
>>58348284especially when you recruit pedophiles, murderers, organized crime goons and specifically outline that cop-killers are highly desirable
>>58348284>civil authorityyeah, of course not anon you are right, but you do understand the russian army does not run on that yeah? It runs like a gang
>>58348300>forcefully conscriptedreally not sure what they expected to happen
>>58344458More people suicide in the military that never got deployed.Turns out either the culture of hierarchy combined with suicidal men that give up and end up in the military leads to high suicide rates. Retards keep attributing war guilt and PTSD as the reason for it but it's such a small amount of the suicides.
>>58344346>forcefully conscript as opposed to Priggy giving kino speeches>they escape and Priggy might be involvedBetter plot than any CoD
>>58348295>pedophiles, murderers, organized crime goonsWho do you think are russians cops and government officials?
>>58344366The Ukrainians conserving their language, nation, way of life seem to resist your stereotype.
>>58348229maybe thats the 4d chess reason for the prison complex
>>58344451So was it conservatives burning down American cities in 2020 when the media told them that the buildings were racist?
>>58344346Imagine Ukraining HUR MO contacting them? Then can wreck some shit up.
>>58344642Could you please shut up with your stupid 2D political spectrum and fuck off?
>>58344346>Forced conscription of criminalsWhen did this fucking start??
>>58344544US had lots of mutiny in Vietnam among drafted soldiers. Conscription is stupid, and conscripts rarely ever have any will to fight. WIllingness to fight is the most important factor in war imo.
>>58348561Honestly, Prigs' involvement sounds just like isis taking responsibility for every terrorist attack in the world i10 years ago, as in his troll farm is working around the clock to increase his media presence and make him look important.
>>58344346who could have expected this from the upstanding citizens of russia's prisons
>>58349661Around december. I don't think it's technically forced conscription, it's more of a what they call in Russia a "voluntary-compulsory" decision
>>58349661>>58349727>voluntary-compulsoryThey've been forcing people to sign up from the start, just not necessarily on a large scale.Some soldiers taken prisoner during the initial blyatzkrieg were conscripts in the later phases of their conscript training, who had been pressured to "volunteer" as professional soldiers. Someone handed them some papers and basically ordered the boys to sign them.I can imagine similar things going on in various other parts of Russian society.
>>58345294>>58344528Open a dictionary, it’s called forced labor. You are really defending Putin’s prison slave army to be a contrarian? Wow so intellectual, such devil’s advocate.
are you retarded or merely illiterate?
>>58344480I hate that they made the hat smaller but the new coat is pretty cool
>>58349694Stop making sense and let me have it, I want a cinematic but kinda sympathetic villain. It's ridiculous how cartoony evil Russians actually are.
>>58344557Both Trump and Obama were zionists and imperialists, so is Biden.You shit on the US military because politicians are corrupt?You arrogant pr*ck, go defend your own homeland from foreign invasion by yourself, you can’t.So you will just sit there and enjoy the might and protection of the US military, and your 1st Amendment right to be a limp-wristed pinko pansy.People died for that right, for your right to be a dicksucking ignoramus who takes our military for granted.
MEME MAGIC IS REAL
>>58344451>Are you in combat with Putin right now?How are people still fucking retarded enough to think "It's just Putin's war, the Russian people are good"? Kill yourself.
>>58344642>The Handmaid’s TaleAh yes, that book that became the Left's new Harry Potter after they ditched JK Rowling.
>>58349878THAT is fucking PERFECT.
>>58344689Second Iraq war had mutinies too.As far as I'm aware, it didn't go as far as soldiers fragging their officers, but we did see enlisted men refusing to partake in the conflict, and were willing to be thrown in jail instead of fighting.
>>58344451What an imbecile
>>58349523>minor property damage of a handful of buildings >”burned down the cities”Pay outs due to police abuse of power was more than the property damage. You prove his point: conservatives need to be told their enemies and then they pursue them with complete single mindedness.
>>58344458>zionist occupationWhat's IDF suicide rate for context
>>58349819>sympatheticWhat's sympathetic about a pimp of underage girls turned warlord with a pmc that runs on blood diamonds?Now, the latter part does sound kino, but sympathetic isn't the word I'd go for.
>>58349819>cartoony evil Russians actually arePeople never connected the dots on how the shitty parts of Russian culture and history add up as a whole
>>58350855>conservatives need to be told their enemies and then they pursue them with complete single mindednessHey everyone! This faggot is our enemy! Get him!
>>58349818That's because he's a Junior Commissar and he will be awarded his full sized hat once he's completed his training.
Probably fake, but Shoigu cancelled Prigozhin in Russian media
>>583443461.) Cultures typically place great value on a warrior’s strength and honor. Mutiny is viewed as taboo by its nature as such2.) Mutineers are labeled traitors and universally reviled the world over. They are harshly punished, at the very best of times they are harshly beaten and jailed for life.3.) Strict adherence to military structure typically leads to success, or at least the vague notion that someone qualified is making decisions so that everyone working together can accomplish their goals.Mutiny is typically resultant from a degradation of structure brought on by a length of stressors. Once the lines are muddled and the rigid adherence to a superior is questioned, things tend to fall through. You tend to see it because of lengthy periods of misery and failure, e.g. France in WWI facing constant mutiny due to dreadful living conditions and continued shocking loss of life. Like most I tend to view mutiny as wildly dishonorable, but there are obvious exceptions to the rule.
>>58350879Not high enough
>>58344366This man deserves his CAXAP and 7PbiKa ration. This man worked hard and well.
>>58344346Don't be this guy.
>>58344528you sound like a communist- for starters it's civil service if there is a justified cause (like being invaded), not some hastily law pushed against the best interest of the people, literally voted on in 1 day, and passing through entire pipeline to being signed by the president in 3 days, just so that the people who are responsible for a disaster can have more resources (e.g. human lives) to waste- it's civil service if your lawful right for conscientious objection to military service and for an alternative service is respectedwhat russian government is doing is basically slaveryt. a russian of course
>>58349848lmfao you gotta be either a teenager or a literal boomer