As things have been lately, looks like they scored another own goal. Wonder what type of aircraft went down this time?https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1661819867941445649
commercial passenger liner full of vatniks i hope
>>58335863They can't be so retarded... can they?
>>58335863>MorozovskBizarre own goal given the distance to the frontline. I guess it could be one of those jury-rigged Tu-141 cruise missiles, but the kind of slow burn on the way down doesn't scream "cruise missile" to me.
>>58335955I concur. Seen countless footage of shot down aircraft from multiple wars and this one for sure is indicative of a bird going down.
>>58335863what air defense doing
>>58336206Panicking out of their fucking minds. MALDS spoofs Russian IFF signals regularly, and the crews on these things are A: not trained well enough to distinguish between a dummy signal and the real deal and (FAR more likely) B: aren't given information about incoming friendly flights, because interoperability is a myth only spoken of in whispers in Snowgeria. It's a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing because none of these field commanders talk to each other. As a result, some barely trained mobik that's probably never seen a working computer that isn't running Counter Strike freaks the fuck out and hits the button.
>>58336265>aren't given information about incoming friendly flightsI'd lean more towards "operate on very strict timetables for when you're allowed to come home": air defense gets told that X aircraft will be coming in along Y course at Z time, and anything outside of that window gets them freaking out.
Just how many Ls can russia take in 24 hours kek
What happened to Bayraktar? This board has been very silent about it.
>>58336389>he's still assblasted by the turk droneToo big and too high for the static front, we'll see it again when the offensive rolls and Russia's air defense collapses (again).
>>58336389its a fucking relatively cheap medium sized drone (thats good at its job) ukies could order way more if they needed them
>>58335863>air defence shot down somethingmeanwhile a video shows something on fire but sure lets add context from out of nothing video
>>58335863What air defence doing??!
>>58336415Well, the other interpretation is that Russian aircraft are spontaneously combusting mid-flight, so let's cut them a little slack.
>>58336389It killed a ton of shit in the first few weeks then attrition took its toll, pretty much the same story as all low cost/performance drones.Seems there are still a few around but they're being held in reserve since deploying them to the front wouldn't accomplish much, and would get them killed.
>>58336415Yeah, something that's way to high for a cruise missile, outside of range if UA ballistic missiles and too high to be a shahed type drone. It's either friendly fire or one of those Soviet drones converted to kamikaze
>>58335863>https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1661819867941445649>Russia: Air defense appears to have shot down its own Russian plane near the Morozovsk military airfield in Rostov region.
>>58336415Are you naturally this dense? or did you have to work at it?
What's the tally for friendly aircraft shot down this month? Must be double digits by now
It was patriot from 300km awayYou can't prove me wrong.
>>58336389They use them for long range thermal scouting from what I understand since direct assaults are difficult with a more prepared air defence.They can sit at 20km and spot troop movements at 100m up, the western cameras are really nice on them, most of the cost of the drone really
>>58336988I find it hilarious that in their desperate attempts to stop storm shadow they have all their air defence on a hair trigger and keep shooting their own planes and probably geese kek
>>58335875It's real>t. Knower
>>58337028The spirit of the IRNS Kamchatka lives on. "Do you see Storm Shadows?"
>>58336206Su-57 so stealthy air defense thought it was a F-35! They couldn't see it but superior Russian air defenses hit it anyway.
>>58336438>ballistic trajectory >no secondary debris >still continues on a ballistic trajectoryi mean okhttps://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1661828469326778368obviously its not a plane
>>58337251Do you propose that UA has ballistic missiles with >300km range?
>>58337303i dont propose anything anon look at the video does it seem like its an aircraft on a free fall after it being hit?we have tons of videos to compare of aircrafts being hit and this isnt one of them
>>58337331It's probably a big kamikaze droneI mean, would even russians be retarded enough to shit their own deeps inside friendly territory close to an airbase?
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>>58337241Cute. I kind of want one.
>>58336265>MALDS spoofs Russian IFF signals regularly, and the crews on these things are A: not trained well enough to distinguish between a dummy signal and the real deal and (FAR more likely) B: aren't given information about incoming friendly flights, because interoperability is a myth only spoken of in whispers in Snowgeria. Not only that, but the radar signatures they can make out are very crude. They have a really tough time to distinguish anything in detail on those Russian shitboxes. This makes the MALDS spoofers extra effective.
>>58337331Nah, this looks exactly like the hit on an aircraft>muh ballistic trajectoryit ain't a ballistic trajectory. You literally see the thing flying straight and level, then start losing control and descending rapidly. You can see how it slows down after it loses control, likely going into a stall. Hell we've literally seen a similar trajectory recently from a Russian aircraft, this one suffering engine damage rather than a shootdown but the physics is no different https://files.catbox.moe/fac0la.MP4
>>58335909first day here?
>>58336265You forgot, Russians are drunk most the time, specially military
>>58337331>>58337561 (Me)rather, the fireball without a big old explosion that tears the whole thing apart is what makes it clear it wasn't a cruise missile or the like https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1661828469326778368given that the missile would be low on fuel at this point given the range to the frontlines and, given the altitude it's unlikely it was shot down by MANPADS. Larger SAMs have almost always caused the detonation of the warhead when they hit. Whatever was hit remained somewhat intact after the fireball so it's bound to have been fuel, not the warhead that exploded.
>>58337355>Russian Armed Forces are trained for exactly meeting requirements that concern striking and pounding posteriors
>>58335863It could have been BNR infiltrators with manpads, you know. Perfect place to set up an ambush
>>58335863Are unified TEL+tracking radar vehicles a mistake? HARM's home in usually on the fire-control radar, sometimes the search radar (FCR is a higher, immediate threat, and knocking it out disables the whole battery), so many SAM designs NATO, Soviet and Chink have separate, unmanned radar vehicles, to not endanger crew. But the Buk has the FCR bolted on the manned launch vehicle, so if a HARM comes in the crew is likely killed. Then again with this design, you have exactly as much tracking-radars in a battery as you have launchers, so it takes way more AGM-88's to knock them out.
>>58338362Different purposes. I would rather have a battery guarding a stationary rear asset. I would rather have a tracker, mobile TELAR going on the offensive with armored elements
>>58335863>ziggers so scared of F-16 they shoot down their remaining airforcelmaoIran shooting down its own airliner after firing a missile attack on US in Iraq was the previous funniest air defense.
>>58338409They're denying enemy kills. Just like in my MOBA games
>>58338407Isn't that the Tunguska though?
>>58338442Tunguska is vshorad, tor is shorad, buk is medium range.
>>58336389Why do ziggers think it made them look better if the cheap drone that caused so much havoc early in the war wasn't that good after all?
>>58336389Excellent observation. I notice shills have no longer to debate 5.56 NATO round! So much for BOOLET!
Finland bought BUK M1 systems, (coded "Ito96" in Finland) from Russia in 1996 and 1997, very very cheply with price of then appr. 158 MEURO, as part of so called "bilateral trade exchange" with Russia and to cover Russians large trade debt to Finland. In total there purchase cosnisted of 3 divisons of Buk-M1 systems, 18 launcpads, other equipments and 288 pcs of 9M38-missiles. They were in training use until 2006/2007 and then removed from conscript training and operational use/readiness. There were even quite offcial comments that these missiles may have weakness regarding possible outside disturbances, by the producing country, however as these have been used to shoot down Russian planes in various conflits, these comments may be doubted? Still there became a major gap in high altitude and missile defence, only partially covered by Air Force´s F18 Hornets and their missles.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nIka5FVggs
>>58338362They are more mobile and the whole system is more survivable because you have a radar for every launcher, which was the original purpose of the Buk, along with the ability to cover more directions at once. There are systems with much bigger problems like the S-300/400 that houses the main radar operator team inside the primary radar vehicle, basically inviting an ARM to blast their most valuable crew to pieces.
>>58338872Hopefully for those poor fucks this isn't true, I think even the old Kub Straight Flush radar could be dismounted and operated through cable from a c&c truck. Though my memory is hazy on this stuff.
>>58336389Bayraktar just flew over my house!
>>58335863>shooting down aircraft 300km away from the frontWow, ukies are really brazen! Thankfully our air defense is top notch and got them!
>>58337355KEK, they do speak like faggots
>>58337331>does it seem like its an aircraft on a free fall after it being hit?Do you think all aircraft just instantly stop having forward momentum and start falling straight down when hit?
>>58337186I got a feeling this is going to be more common.