>>58332823
I don’t care at all. If seals are supposed to be one of our best units then this is how you weed people out. Not my or anyone else’s problem

>>58332823
Why are you such a pussy ass bitch?

>>58332823
>unless they quit the course
If you think it's worth dying to become a SEAL right there rather than make another attempt... well why am I supposed to cry if it happens? Give him some honorary bullshit and move on, that's how these things should work.

>>58332888
Retard. Abusing trainees to the point of killing them does not "weed out" anything, nor produce muh tough badass soldiers. It produces broken sociopaths that are more liability than asset in real operations.

>>58332888
>>58332952
Fuck off, armatard.

>>58332974
> It produces broken sociopaths
it doesn't produce them, it filters them from the normies
>that are more liability than asset in real operations
that isn't true and the fact that they make up (the equivalent of) the elite spec ops and glowies of note across all recorded history proves that it isn't
>>58332989
this form of trolling only works on 2iq retards

>>58333033
>that isn't true and the fact that they make up (the equivalent of) the elite spec ops and glowies of note across all recorded history proves that it isn't
they've conflated "trainee abuse" with "tough selection" in the recent years.
they also pushed out ex-SEALs that were advising and preventing the process from turning into a mass hazing ritual.
future glowie SADs won't be from SEALs, at least not as much as used to be.

>>58332989
It’s fascinating how many guys gravitate to this board because they lack the drive and aggression required to defend or assert themselves in any circumstance without guns

>>58333033
>glowies of note across all recorded history
>Not broken sociopaths

>>58333033
>that isn't true
Uh huh.

>and the fact that they make up (the equivalent of) the elite spec ops and glowies of note across all recorded history
They don't. Elite spec ops is the absolute last place you want genuinely psychotic people whose impulsive need to prove how tough and dangerous they are will fuck over your operatiosn left and right. You want dispassionate professionals in that profession, not roid-raging firebreathers.

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>>58332823
Fucking real take here, the problem wasn't the hell week course, it was their disregard for health and safety.

You need to have medical on fucking dtand by for shit like this. And have a plan with the local hospital that allows you to act seamlessly as EMS yourself, especially since medics qualify as EMT basic's.

You don't need to actually put recruits in danger like this, you can easily simulate it safely and force medical recycles to the next class. All while maintaining the course difficulty and stress.
Jesus christ we're the leaders of the fucking planet, we can do this shit right.

>>58333278
According to the resident sociopaths medics are for pussies. If you die mid course that's your problem.

>>58333278
they reportedly upped the difficulty to the point where injuries were more frequent than ever and there were no graduations in some batches. i think they went far beyond the point of reasonable difficulty.

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>>58333338
>>58333278
Fucking SEALs, I hope someone goes to jail over this.
Tramadol-sniffing, roiders, closeted gay bunch of asswipes.(pic related, and yes, DJ looks very diva with that hair clip. And yes, wearing a crusader patch in an Islamic country is the epitome of winning hearts and minds by understanding the culture)

Someone in the instructor cadre should go to jail or at least dishonorably discharged (which honestly is worse because it will surely lead to suicide by gunshot) for negligence

>>58332888
>if u get sick or injured u not tuff e nuff
waste of trips, waste of skin
>>58333033
five bucks says I could turn your face into chopmeat with my fists and your pasty flabby knock kneeded body could do nothing about it.

Possnr's obsession with toughness DOES get results though. The veh deh veh and spetznaz are their most effective troops, often surprisingly effective despite their lackluster logistics and overall support.

>>58333268
"Roid-raging firebreathers" are the first ones to quit.

>>58332823
Retard here, aren't trainings from Hell are supposed to test your physical and mental endurance? I can understand the frigid water or no sleep as long as it's in moderation, but why deny medical help?

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>>58334337
>but why deny medical help?
physical injuries are just attitude problems, obviously

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>>58332888
I don't see how contracting pneumonia is an indication of weakness but then I'm neither a fancy pants medical doctor nor a seal.

>>58334364

Did he make it more difficult than it was before? Or did the difficulty stay the same with lower pass rate due to faggy zoomers eating twinkies?

>>58332888
>meanwhile SF dudes are actively told not to hide injury or disease and produce competent soldiers that do not have the discipline problems of SEALs
Army wins again.

>>58334410
they upped the difficulty and then refused to give them medical treatment
>Instructors, who often had little experience or training for the role, began to view their jobs not as teachers building new SEALs, but as enforcers “hunting the back of the pack” to “weed out” the weak, the report said.
>A gradual elevation of harsh tactics that the report called “intensity creep” allowed instructors to push the demands of the course “to the far end of the acceptable spectrum,” leaving students exhausted, sick and injured.
>In the year since Seaman Mullen’s death, new leaders have made a number of changes at the course, including increased oversight of instructors, better communication among the medical staff and closer medical monitoring of students who finish Hell Week.
>Graduation rates have risen back to around the 30-percent level that the SEALs see as normal.

>>58334364
>bro just man up your injuries away, it's not that hard

>>58334575
on top of that they pushed out the EX-SEALS that were advising them so it wouldn't turn into a hazing school lmao
>The course had long employed civilian veterans of the SEAL teams to be mentors, as a way to temper the young instructors.
>But under the new leadership, these experienced veterans were marginalized.
>Soon, fewer than 10 percent of students in some classes were making it through the course.

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>>58334410
there's something about SEALs that attracts all the faggy druggies
it's full of closeted homos and trannies overcompensating by trying to be the "manliest" thing that they can imagine

>>58334588
>10%

those classes that graduated must be some hard motherfuckers at least, legendary graduation years for those boys lol

>>58332974
>Abusing trainees to the point of killing them does not "weed out" anything
False. If you die during training you have, by definition, been weeded out.

>>58332823
Nothing can psychologically prepare you for the fear of being in a foreign country and being the enemy and not known how or when some trip mine is going to blow you up or sniper is going to take your head off. They're just trying to prepare them for that level of stress as much as they can. At least that's the theory

I know this going to be hard to belive but I'm separating out of the Navy in 2 months and I'm a current SO3 (E-4 Seal active duty). What the NY times doesn't tell you is the sheer toxicity and soul crushing workloads you get when you actually hit the teams as a junior SO. Because of manning issues there is a negative feedback loop where most Smartmided people (like myself) are giving the finger to the Navy and not reenlisting, leaving those on their 2nd tour the absolute bottom barrel dipshits in 1st asseceson training commands. Meaning even less people make it through, perpetuating the cycle.

The Navy as a whole is an absolute dumpster fire of a shitshow right now its not just the special warfare side. Even the submarine force is going full retard in so many ways and no one in their right minds wants to stay in. The people at top are careerists that have almost zero connection to the lower enlisted and junior officers. Everyone from OIF and WoT is either gone or retired (and they weren't exactly great either). Related the dipshit Rear admiral in Coronado talks about how, "dem kids ain't mentally tough" while literally sitting in A/C office, bullshiting with other good ol boys from other special projects never actually having been out in the field well over a decade. Mind you this guy is in command of tard wrangling instructors and enforcing standing orders which have been on The books since JFK started the first UDT teams (i.e physical contact like punching or kicking is prohibited I keep forgetting this is the same group as the MCPON who said, "Well at least shells and mortars aren't going over your heads so shut up and be happy" to a entire carrier worth of crew that was litterally living in Shipyard with no place to sleep, wash and toxic dust/construction going on. To the point people were committing suicide.
Do yourself a favor and do not join the Navy for SW. Army, Costguard, chairforce even the marines have better programs.

>>58334675
Many tapped when they hit the teams or in other training pipelines to get their quals/trident.
Getting injured in training just makes you a broken junior sailor.
I hate to say to alot of these new instructors are graduates of "reform/tough love" bootcamp style schools like Elan school and others like it that take from the infamous Syanonon cult, especially with the "you have to "quit" to get medical help brainwashing.

>>58334738
Preparing them for what? Abusing them and having people die of pneumonia as some preparation for dabbing on goat herders is complete retardation. Hundreds of thousands of men on both sides are now fighting in a horrific modern war in Ukraine with either normal military training or subar "mobilized" training and it's these guys that war depends upon not some glorified overkill monkeys.

>>58334952
It’s the same all over. I left after ten years in, a month ago.
I was a first class, and I liked my job until I got to some east coast fighter unit where the entire mentality was shit on everyone below you, and try to suck the dick of the people above you.
I looked out for my people, and they put a fucking target on my back.
I wasn’t a piece of shit. I won Sailor of the Year. I worked my fucking ass off. I did that board three days after my son was born. And now, I have a fucking anxiety disorder. Thanks Navy.
Thanks Christopher Keen, you incompetent faggot. How a fucking underhanded, slimy faggot like you gets to command a fighter squadron blows me away.

>>58334952
>Related the dipshit Rear admiral in Coronado talks about how, "dem kids ain't mentally tough" while literally sitting in A/C office, bullshiting with other good ol boys from other special projects never actually having been out in the field well over a decade.
Aeah. Any high-ranks that try to project toughness on others, i immediately assume they're either out of touch or have something to hide. Obsession with toughness/manliness is the hallmark of someone who embodies neither of them.

>>58333278
>>58333338
>>58334588
>>58334952
>>58335247

'Aight, fuck it, joining the Army. Can't imagine how bad the Seabees have it now. Damn shame.

>>58335402
COVID ruined the Navy. Everyone with a functional bullshit detector saw the writing on the wall, now the people left are sycophantic apes who only care about having power.
Our morning meeting was just a Jamaican Senior Chief they let run the maintenance department tell us we were all pieces of shit, every day. He had just set things up so that only he knew what the fuck was going on and used that to control other people by fucking with deadlines, withholding information to cause mistakes, and encouraging blatantly unsafe practices without accepting any responsibility.
Incidentally, I fucking hate Jamaicans now. Wasn’t my first experience with them but holy shit they are the rudest coons imaginable.

>>58332823
I know this is a foreign concept to someone who regularly consumes s.o.y. based products and makes a frequent habit of posting on reddit, but living on hyper-masculine will force you to turn into a hardass that grits his teeth and suffers quietly and stoically through life until one day he drops dead for the most stupid reason possible.

>>58335603
>living on hyper-masculine environments

>>58332823
this is why they produce so many embarassing failures

Why do retards think medical care and safety are for the weak?

>>58335247
don't take benzos, whatever you do. if weed helps then use that instead, hell even heroin is a better option. prescription benzos are worse than any street drug

>>58334688
How does dying of pneumonia indicate that someone would have made for a bad soldier?

>>58336167
Because they died

>>58336262
>next training session
>all trainees will be shot in the head from pbr, if you die or are permanently disabled you just weren't tough enough
this is what you sound like

>>58336283
Then don't die

>>58334628
Genuine question, why would "performance enhancing drugs" be an issue for SOF? It's not a game, there's no such thing as fair play. As long as it isn't leading to health or behavioral issues, juicing would actually be a positive.

>>58332823
>why do these wifebeaters act like a nation of wifebeaters?

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>>58335402
Stupid shit happens in the army too lol. There is arbitrary bullshit from assholes high off the smell of their own shit everywhere. My buddy was a in a rasp class with such a low graduation rate that the instructors got investigated and it turned out a bunch of em were all coked up. Guess how many of the people who got failed were given a chance to come back lmao. And in my own experience
>airborne school starts with a pt test
>just have to score the bare minimum
>but in big classes it’s used as a tool to arbitrarily cut people
>smaller class = instructors get to go home a littler earlier
>first pt test event is the pushup, 42 is the minimum
>if they don’t like your face they’ll count to 41 and just keep repeating 41 41 41 41
>that’s what happened to me, I probably did 80 pushups and the nigger just said uhh you failed
>there’s a makeup pt test a day or 2 later
>makeup test I do 30 and the guys says ehhhh you’re good
People will swear up and down that the “41 club” isn’t real but I literally did more pushups on the test I “failed” than the test I “passed” lmao the military is gay and retarded

It's an incredibly brutal program.

That's how it goes, people can die during training.

It's one thing to train people hard, it's another thing to do shit like piss on them and make them kill innocent people.

There's a difference between making someone tough and using psychological humiliation to make people commit atrocities.

>>58332974
Well they were supposed to be kinda sociopaths anon, who value their life and health lower than mission.

>>58336478
That's called bravery, you don't need to be a sociopath to be brave, and you definitely don't want them hooked on meth and crank or dealing drugs, there was some shit I read on this board about trafficking as well that was disturbing, but may just be a load of hot air

>>58336468
>Physically demanding training regimen
>High failure rate
>Pushing people close to their mental breaking point
All good things
>Denying medical care for people in critical condition
>Intensifying an already brutal training regimen to the point it is impassable
Not good

you're right, wanting to be strong is a russian thing, you should teach your men to be women instead, navy seals need to start taking hormones and transitioning like all normal usa citizens

>>58333468
>TO patch
Unbased and Christcucked

>>58336300
>why would "performance enhancing drug be an issue
Its the side effects that come with it

>>58336582
What effect? Brazilian MMA fighters shot testosterone for two decades (before it was finally banned) and mopped the floor with pussies. Did you see any side effects on them?

>>58332888
>weed people out
They killed a potentially great candidate. The dude went on with pneumonia until he fucking died.

>>58333278
nah bro, medics are for pussies

>>58336468
>ITT neverserved SW
Shut the fuck up
There is zero excuse for anyone dying in BUDs, litterally the first thing they tell you when in indoc at Coronado is how serious safety is taken and violating it is actually aside from failing the PSTs or tapping out is the one thing that can get you kicked out or even NJP/masted.
When I went in I saw instructors freak out when someone did something dangerous like pinning themselves between a boat and rocks or ignoring the corpsmans/docs orders.

Anyone who spouts this, "not tuff enough" BS would be the first to tap before then even got to boot camp.

>>58336565
SIRS DO NOT REDEEM

>>58332888
And yet Brits don’t need to do shit like this and the SAS are better trained. Funny that.

>>58332823
It's because SEALs don't have a infantry background. They're not coming from a world where people stay relatively humble because bullets affect everyone, basic tactics apply to everyone, and everyone needs to hydrate lest they fall out.
Not that there aren't plenty of hooah idiots in the army too, but as a culture, the baseline is different.
You wouldn't send a grunt to be a ship commander or a aircraft pilot, so why would you expect people coming from ship or aircraft cultures to be naturals at a grunt's job?

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>get brand new tool that will last a lifetime with proper care and maintenance
>abuse the fuck out of brand new tool with such ferocity it falls apart after 2 weeks
>FUCK YOU, STUPID TOOL, I'LL GET A BETTER ONE
>better tool goes through the exact same process and suffers the exact same fate
>ARGLE BARGLE WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING

>>58341344
Bro, my roommate is this behavior incarnate.
He went through three engines in his car before scrapping it.

>>58336565
silence shitskin, I can smell your unwashed greasy shitstained hands from here

>>58332974
That's fine because they don't go on real operations. Every country has to deal with special forces candidates who can max out the fitness tests but are otherwise completely unsuitable for the job. America created the SEALs to catch these people early and divert them into a unit where they can be kept away from anything important.

>>58332888
Fuck the SEALs. Bunch of useless blowhards.

>>58335459
>COVID runied the Navy
Details?

>>58334151
Yeah but whats the point when their officers just send them off on suicide frontal assault missions meants for large armored infantry?

>>58336685
No, but their wives and children probably saw them.

>>58342205
Yet they were the main special forces unit for Afghanistan's special missions, like killing Bin Laden...

>>58341344
>UGH, THEY DON'T MAKE THESE TOOLS LIKE THEY USED TO

>>58342583
and then they blew his head off point-blank ("canoeing") despite being ordered not to do that. it made facial identification impossible.

>>58336300
>As long as it isn't leading to health or behavioral issues
More often than not it does. SOF in general can be very high stress, and given the ludicrous ultra-machismo culture of the SEALs in particular, adding drugs that will potential make these people even more volatile is a recipe for disaster. Even that ignores the physical health effects. If massive numbers of your veterans have physical defects from decades of substance abuse by the time they’re 45-50 that’s gonna have a pretty big impact on recruitment.

Buncha slack-jawed faggot itt

>>58335402
>'Aight, fuck it, joining the Army.

Have some wisdom from before Americans got collectively stupid about the armed forces. That was the draft era and shortly thereafter:

The only branch of size that isn't shit and doesn't shit all over its people is the Air Force. Coasties seem a happy lot but there are too few to matter IRL.

The Navy always had shit retention because everything about the Navy is horrible. The Army are cannon fodder whose "standards" must reflect their desperate need for warm bodies which results in overwhelming numbers of retards rural and urban. The Marines are at least honest about what they're selling so if you're surprised that's user error. (They also had the best disciplined force even during the race riot era.)

The Air Force only sucks if you actively seek out a shit job, so don't. Always treat every job including the military as a career even if you don't plan on staying. There are many ways to serve. Think and study first. Ignore memes.

>>58342695
>If massive numbers of your veterans have physical defects from decades of substance abuse by the time they’re 45-50 that’s gonna have a pretty big impact on recruitment.

Nah. Most recruits are always wide-eyed retards who think they're immortal. Massive numbers of veterans are alcoholics due to the industrial drinking culture (Norfolk has quite the massive rehab facility) and that kills the fuck out of retirees but it's not a factor either. Nobody under 45-50 can imagine the horror of being 45-50.

>>58341295
Lame flex, Brits really jist can't do what jsoc can, unless you know they have Americans filling in the gaps

>>58332823
Didn't your last thread get deleted?

>>58332823
I bet a seak fucked Op's mom

>>58336449
>wah sgt <rhymes with dell> hazed me

Pro-tip 'the cadre are under investigation' every single class, but mine was the last hard class

Seething failure

>>58342847
Guy that made this thread is just a seething dude who hates the seals as if they pissed in his cereal, shit in his shoes, and then fucked his mom.

>>58336300
If you're talking anabolics it's not except for the life can someone rapidly put you in situations where you can't pin/pct or otherwise do the cycle 'properly'

But no one's getting busted for being on tren unless if they can't run

>>58342754
Yeah that’s fair honestly, I probably went in a little hard on the physical stuff, most recruits don’t have much in the way of forward thinking for the next 10 years at 18, let alone 30. Which, you know, fair enough I sure as shit didn’t either. It’s mostly the psych effects, that’s the kind of fucked up shit that lead to Melgar.

>>58336449
Also why did I take the bait, no one is counting out loud for rasp class up, nor is 41 the standard like it is for school

You're literally in here lying about being a rasp failure, what gives?

>>58336582
It’s not like it was tren. Getting more testosterone doesn’t make you crazy

>>58342847
>>58342890
Makes sense that the people defending the mil are illiterate lol

leadership spent too much time reading facebook news and had a problem with young people so they abused their positions to take it out on yoing seal candidates. just quality manager things

>>58343248
>I didn't want the job anyway

Sure buddy

>>58343559
Are you a retarded neverserved or a retarded zogbot? I never said I went to rasp, I said I knew a guy who did and he told me a lot of them were treated unfairly, which I believed because someone tried to screw me at jump school, but I got lucky in the end. Don’t forget to hit up your retention nco anon, remember the economy is bad and you’ll end up homeless if you don’t reenlist lol

>>58342345
Different anon here,

Covid was the best time of my "sea" time because it was the first time I consistently started working less than 14 hours a day every day in port, but that only lasted a week or so before they decided to "place the mission first." Fortunately I got out a few months later, so I got to dodge the shot.

I was on sub though, so I can hardly imagine the retardation that took place on shore commands and surface ships, but the USS Theodore Roosevelt incident should give a pretty good idea.

>>58336449
>41 club
My buddy who's an infantry officer told me about this shit, pretty crazy

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>>58332888
Actual brain rot take. It's their job to know who can make it and who can't. Forcing someone through training that's clearly can't handle it isn't doing anyone any favors and the dude is now dead because of it.

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It's amazing how many never serveds are in this thread. Hazing is normal and necessary for the building of comraderie. You need to hate your instructor in order to love your battle buddy. And most injuries and illnesses are non-fatal. Modern medicine has simply commercialized instant-cures. If you can't handle being sick for a weak, then you'll never survive on the battlefield.
You're all pansies and this entire culture is being feminized.

>>58344440
You laid it on too thick

>>58344456
Post guns.

>>58342345
It didn't ruin the Navy but it exacerbated issues that were going on before it happened.

>>58344460
I'm a gay tranny btw

>>58342583
"the main special forces unit for Afghanistan's special missions
That would go to Ranger Regiment and RRC.

>>58336685
god damn imagine being this retarded. "Did we see any side effects of the roids Wanderlei or Vitor were taking?!? Even though we only saw them for 15 minutes three times a year???" you have no idea what their private lives were like.

>>58342847
lol
lmao, nigger

>>58336478
>>58336496
>>58332974
sociopaths dont care about others, let alone a mission from them. they'd be shit soldiers.

>>58336300
Leaving the discipline and moral side of it out, juice is actually one of the absolute worst things you can do for your joints, ligaments and tendons. Almost all the injuries these guys get are due to repetitive movements under load wearing them out and juice will accelerate that 10x. Heavy musculature is of very little actual use in an SOF job

>>58344227
>no I'm not telling you my bullshit story I'm telling you my 'buddies' totally happened bullshit story about being 41'd in rasp...in detail.
>oh thats not a real thing you never served err I mean zogbot
>no it's not 2nd hand nonsense he wouldn't lie

>simping retention nco
Yea that's not a thing on this side of the fence

>>58345124
Nobody got 41d in rasp dipshit do you need me to draw you a picture?
>simping retention nco
How did you get that out of what I just said? Are you a filipino esl who’s just super into the military and hates anyone who shits on any aspect of it? Or are you unironically illiterate? It’s okay my ait instructor could barely read either but he still made it to the lofty rank of e6 you can do it anon!

>>58334451
this. No one in the wider SOF community thinks Navy specwar is worth a shit.

>>58345124
You are unironically illiterate

>>58341295
"and the SAS are better trained"
I have literally never heard anybody in the SOF sphere make this claim, yet I see civilians (Almost 100% of which couldn't tell me how to pass security rolling past a window to another man) regurgitate it endlessly

>>58341339
>so why would you expect people coming from ship or aircraft cultures to be naturals at a grunt's job

This doesn't happen. Almost 100% of the SEALs in existence came from street to SEAL, not Fleet to SEAL.

>>58332823
They are signing up to be one of the world's most elite soldiers, You're going to need the mental strength to kill sand children for globohomo.

>>58345319
No shit. That's his point. Recruits come right off the street and what's the first military culture they encounter and are indoctrinated into?
Not one defined by riflemen doing basic things. One that was started by Navy divers.

>>58332823
>>58333468
Is there any special forces unit that consists of serious, professional, well cultured/well read and intellectual soldiers instead of dudebro manbabies like the Seals? Genuine question.

>>58345309
One could however say that many other units in world value resilience and persistence and can generally select good people and achieve their goals without being roided up weirdos. I know Americans have a kind of weird homo-erotic culture anyway but this kind of thing is simply unnecessary.

Clearly the people involved were out of their depth and lacked the necessary skills and aptitudes for the role however you want to splice it. It is surely not a few bad apples, rather a fairly shit institution with a culture of being a dickhead.

>>58345424
I am saying, in typed words that you read with your own eyes and failed to comprehend, that you think they seem to have Sailor's cultural background (SEALs do not have the culture of the Navy at large, they have never been in the Fleet, their culture is entirely different from the rest of the Navy). That's it. That's all I said.

>Not one defined by riflemen doing basic things
Fucking duh you dumb nigger, I never disagreed with this point. SEALs were the worst, dumbest gorilla faggot niggers I ever dealt with in Afghanistan or Iraq. Ask me about the time I watched half of a SEAL team fall out of a regular ass ruck in Barawala Kalay while skinnyfat 19 year old 11Bs fresh out of OSUT did it just fine, or even better, I know for a fact that Cav scouts and MPs did the same exact route once with no issues while dismounted.

I agreed with your premise, you monkey.

>>58345467
>units in world value resilience and persistence and can generally select good people and achieve their goals without being roided up weridos

Coming from someone in the sphere, lol, the majority of SOF guys are not "roided up weirdos", they're more often than not just generally athletic 5'9" white dudes.

>>58335402
If you do, unironically do NOT sign without an Airborne contract. This will filter 80% of the retards off the rip.

>>58345467
This is a biased viewpoint, and I will tell you why without being condescending about it. You only see the high speed guys who are egoists and have Instagrams that they constantly spam, the guys who go on podcasts and unironically wear Grunt Style gear and have their own shitty T-shirt and coffee company. You do not see the tens of thousands of guys who do not fit this label, ever.

>>58345462
From what I heard they have to be like the ideal /pol/ user, you know having knowledge on geo-politics and what you listed.

Why does the navy need seals if the navy already has marines and the marines have sof operators

Like what stops marines from using their institutional infantry and sof experience to churn out better operators than seals ever could??? Is it just funding???

>>58345581
There is nothing on a practical level that stops regular ass Army infantry from the 18th Airborne Corps doing 99% of the jobs that SOF do with decent success rates if you give them one single good train-up. The DoD likes hyper specialization, and has a tendency to let capabilities and mission set bleed over. SEALs should be top tier combat divers and top tier at conducting amphibious small scale raids, but they ended up being fed missions in Afghanistan and Iraq for experience/budget justification/well we have them sitting around anyways reasons. You also see shit like Green Berets (Who were originally meant to advise, assist and enable local forces) conducting DA more and more recently (even though we have the entire Infantry branch and Ranger Regiment for any DA you could ever need, even on short notice via RRC/Tomahawk/etc). So much in fact, that entire Brigades were propped up via SFABs to do their old primary job, because it turns out you have to teach a local force more than Platoon tactics to make them a competent army. There isn't 100% overlap, as SFABs aren't exactly combat oriented, but the idea remains in general.

Also
> Marine SOF
Unironically a massive meme, the Pentagon hates them

>>58345535
This would not appear to be the case even just from the cases the US military has been forced to disclose.

A dysfunctional organisation has caused dysfunctional behaviour through running a idiotic selection process. Its not rocket carpentry.

There is some seriously cancerous rot there, I don't understand how you can deny it.

>>58345685
In fact if what you say is true, the fact you are prancing around making excuses just demonstrates it. You should be mortified. You should understand why its a problem. You should want to fix it.

Anyhow, I'll let you get back to the juice and the Joe Rogan podcasts.

>>58345685
>even just from the cases the US military has been forced to disclose
Anon, you still only see a relatively small amount of cases of zany shit despite there being tens of thousands of SOF operators + 50,000~ organic support personnel. This is textbook confirmation bias that you are falling for.
>>58345697
> newfag responds to himself
> assumes I'm some roidfag who likes Joe Rogan because he can't handle a different take on anything
Kek

>>58345560
the ideal /pol/ user is fat or skinnyfat and never goes outside though

>>58345560
/pol/tards are not athletic enough to pass any type of selection.

t. watched some schizoid /pol/ kid wash out of OSUT years ago

>>58341295
SAS absolutely fucking can not bring to the table what American SOF can, lmfao.

t. Four dot one, IYKYK, if you don't know, you're a faggot poser

>"cadre killing off recruits metaphorically and literally for shits and gigs is good actually"
I knew the percentage of /k/ users who will ever hold any form of leadership position was low but holy fuck

>>58332974
It literally did weed out this guy though. Why would you want someone in who is weak at fighting pneumonia?

>>58345633
>18th airborne corps cab into sof
>hurr seals and sf shouldn't into da because ragnar and muh duvision

>T.coping faggot from the 82nd

>>58345230
Bahahahaha you're saying you actually failed out of airborne, didn't catch that.

>hurr durr osut e6...I failed in the army therefore everyone in the army is a failure
You're a self-admitted loser hard on the copium

>>58345770
>hurr 4.1 iykky hekhekhek faggot poser

No u

>>58347748
>>58336478

Dumb cunt, your job as an instructor is to know when someone's resolve exceeds their bodies physical limits and then remove from the course.

You can't expect candidates to do ALL of your job for you, selection is for both mental and physical, obviously that candidates mental state exceeded their physical and required forced removal or medical aid.

It's nice to see that people with common sense and basic sympathy still exist, the amount of malicious psychopaths in this thread who take no issue with this don't deserve the fucking air they breathe
>>58333168
I've seen this kind off the book training bullshit in basic training too that's the perfect excuse for them to make up for their own past experiences of abuse and bullying when the higher ups aren't looking, sure training should be tough but they oughta be put on a tighter leash to make sure they don't even fucking think about overstepping to the point you take someone's life

>>58347748
Pneumonia is temporary. Negligent death is forever.

>>58341295
I dunno, maybe the SBS do that. The SAS just march you to death in 31c heat over a 16 mile mountain range.