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>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State
Alright burgers, tell me straight, if your government and your military actually turns on you, realistically what is the chance you and your neighbours will be able to "secure a free State" with your gun cabinets.
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>>58332761
Extremely high.
Also the military made of patriotic volunteers wont turn
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>>58332761
>>>/po/
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>>58332761
100%, their military is made up of citizens you know
the only isssue I see is the development and weaponization of robots in medium-long term
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>>58332761
If there is ever a figurehead in the government who is able to shore up enough popular support among military officials, elected officials, and bureaucrats for such a move, on top of being able to get a sizeable majority (not just minimum majority) of the populace to agree and go along with this (turning against actual civilians on a large scale), then it's already over anyway.

Point being, this scenario is unrealistic within our lifetimes in domestic affairs of the United States.
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>>58332809
It's almost as unfeasible as the US invading Canada. Other than a full societal collapse of some kind moment, this will not happen.
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>>58332775
How is this political. I'm talking about actual combat implications.
This aren't the 1700s anymore. I'm genuinely curious what's the logic behind burgers thinking they can secure a rogue state with nothing but small arms.
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>>58332845
What's the argument here? Is it that the US government will use combat drones to launch missiles against civilians on US soil? Is it that they will roll Abrams onto US metropolitan streets? Or that they will use fighter jets and bombers to wipe off entire swats of urban, suburban or rural areas? Like what exactly are you saying the US government will do when it turns on its civilians? And who exactly are they going to use to carry out these orders?
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>>58332761
>it's the "featureless white plane with gun owners lined up for battle against the entire US military" hypothetical again
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>>58332845
>secure a rogue state with nothing but small arms
Use small arms to steal better small arms and tanks/heavy ordinance
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No (you) for you
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>>58332761
Guns aren't going to win a war against a powerful force but they have a place. Really you need to fight a war of the minds. An economic war. A culture war. Any government needs its citizen cattle for their money, industry, and manpower. Convince the citizens to stop supporting the government and you win the war. Its a long game. But a game as old as civilization itself. That being said, I hope we never find out what it will be like. I enjoy my comfortable life. I don't think we are anywhere close to this scenario being real.
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>>58332845
what are you gonna do, put all of washington in a jet and have them live in it 24/7?
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>>58332761
Given the ratio of gun owners to eligible state combat personnel? Retarded high, nuclear carpet bombing notwithstanding.
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>>58332914
>>58333037
>>58333114
Okay so it's actually a /pol/ defense instead of /k/ then.
It's politically this will never happen in burgerland or that even if it does happen feds will care too much about $$$ to glass everyone.
In the actual hypothetical /k/ scenario that it does happen and the military goes all out the burger civvies are fucked.
Makes sense.
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>>58332761
Not very high, but fighting the government directly is retarded. The best thing to do would be to coordinate a general worker's strike, then use your guns for self-defense/defense of encampents.
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>>58333391
No, your second assertion is still wrong. United States is absolutely fucking massive, and there's not remotely enough bombs, missiles, planes, tanks, etc. to go full conquer mode over the domestic territory. And that's before getting into the fact that there is simply not enough personnel for the task in this entirely volunteer military or police, or the fact that they will never be able to get a majority of their people to fall in line to crush their own people.
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>>58333391
>Military goes all out against all civies
They run out of supplies in four months. Their oil depots, weapons caches, bridges, roads, and living quarters are harassed and destroyed daily. Doorkicker units are evaporated faster than a vatnigger in Hostomel, drone operators and aircraft pilots need to be relocated to Europe or onto aircraft carriers because they and their families keep being found hung drawn and quartered from the local overpass. They may or may not get some international help, but outside of coalition airstrikes, there isn't much that can be done that won't just be countered. It's easier to occupy certain places, like D.C, Seattle, and San Francisco. Places like Chicago, St. Louis, LA, Atlanta, and so on make Juarez look like a fucking joke though.

Tons of fat, overweight LARPing retards also die trying to fulfil their Tarkov fantasies, which makes for easy looting by genuine gangs and warlords. Speaking of, local law enforcement will almost certainly start resembling paramilitary units, some alright, some making Arkan's Tigers look like the Red Cross, probably stuck fighting inner city gangs who have themselves become warlords, and whatever poor bastards in the Guard are assigned to deal with that fuckfest.

By the end of it all, the US won't really exist as you know it. It would likely be the single most bloody conflict since WW2. The military would ultimately lose though, and no one would want to touch the mainland USA with a ten foot barge pole. Also Canada is probably fucked too. Mexico, oddly enough, probably wouldn't change a whole ton.
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>>58333391
If the civies are fucked there is no nation to rule over after. Who will pay the army after entire industries collapse and metropolis centers are reduced to rubble.
Are you retarded?
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>>58333391
>In the actual hypothetical /k/ scenario that it does happen and the military goes all out
This still doesn't make sense. The American military is staffed by American people, who live in America with their American families. If you slip someone orders to destroy America tomorrow, the first reaction will be to clock out and go home. Second reaction is to give you a lead breakfast.
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>>58333528
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>>58333544
Given the fact your own founders wrote this thing into your constitution, it's at least obvious they think it's a possibility.
Alright, so then what's the cutoff. What percent of burgerland population would have to be not-on-board to be able to hold off a conventional military with just small arms.
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>>58332761
Basically none. The French are protesting over retirement age and throwing firebombs at cops. Darkoids burned down a federal courthouse. Meanwhile everyone with a Punisher decal on their truck bends over for the thin blue line at every opportunity because somehow people over here can't get it through their heads that when the confiscations start it won't be an army of Obama & Hillary clones it's going to be the fucking police.
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>>58333590
Show the rest of the photo at least, Christ. But yeah, you've still got a point, there's some serious cognitive dissonance at play with these types.
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>>58332761
the point is that 2a makes it too messy to even attempt violent crackdown.
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there's a better chance
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>>58333634
>Show the rest of the photo
People always say this then post an entirely different photo. That aside I think it's a moot point because people have known the cops have had that shit forever and many of the people in the photo likely supported the military giving cops their old shit because they couldn't fathom it being used on them.
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>>58333634
>show the rest
That makes it even worse. Those guys showed up talking a big game and folded at the first sight of a bulletproof truck. Wow, scary. And that's supposed to make me think better of them, that they weren't ready to see a bulletproof car so they entered some kind of mental shock like Africans in 1900 seeing one for the first time?

Meanwhile kids in Syria are throwing rocks at entire convoys of such trucks kitted out with machineguns, automatic grenade launchers and electronic warfare jammers while their cousins in Afghanistan launch suicidal attacks on those convoys with a few rusty rifles.

It really rubs in the fact that larpers are, well, larpers. They're manchildren playing a game, and they stop playing and give up the moment any adults throw a frown, even when those adults are 400lb sheriffs with a Glock and a phone.
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>>58332761
100%
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>>58333775
Like I said, you've still got a point. These guys clearly weren't prepared for the possibility of an armored car (or hell, even actually having to use their arms) and because of that they got clowned on. Kind of obvious that would happen though given none of them look like they've even taken the precaution of being somewhat physically fit (then again, neither are the sheriffs). For every McVeigh, there are ten gravy seals, but when we're talking about millions of people that tends to even out. These also aren't really the people that would be committing the most violence in the aforementioned hypothetical.
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>>58333775
>gives up
>gets arrested
>smile in mugshot?
"we sure showed them tyrants, cleetus"
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>>58333589
10% of the populace is the maximum estimate for the American Revolution so probably about that.
The British did not level Boston or New Amsterdam to encite this. But you're talking about leveling entire towns so it would easily be more than that in such a case.
>Inb4 it's different because technology
It's not different at all.
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Here is an answer in a child's format of learning, since you don't seem to possess common sense due to your brains being molded by neo-communist subversion.
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>>58332761
If the fed just decides to confiscate all guns by force and begin arresting serious gun owners on unexplained charges? It'll be the strikes that kill it long before it gets to insurrection. Will the NRA and militias rise up as one and declare themselves the true United States? No, but the police and military barely look after their own shit anymore, and the bluecollar civilian contractors who deliver their gas, maintain their vehicles and equipment, who run their entire infrastructure, are generally pretty willing to just stop doing that for a while. I'd be interested to see how the police and federal agencies jump that hurdle without doing something stupid like requisitioning civilian transport and actually pushing people over that edge to violently defend their property.
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>>58332761
On the off chance that this isn't a bad faith shit-stirring post, I'll give my thoughts. You say "secure a free state" as in "shit has gone sideways and we need to fight to get it back." A lot of other people think of the second amendment like this too, they imagine a bunch of armed civilians meeting on the battlefield against our military which has presumably turned on us. It does seem kind of ridiculous when you think of it that way.

It's less ridiculous when you think of it as a deterrent. When a population is well armed, the government MUST take this into consideration when they go to make moves, laws, policies, whatever. From the state's point of view, an action that may just be met with public outcry in a place with an unarmed populace might be met with violence if the people were armed and motivated. Sure the armed citizens in America haven't had parity with their military in a long time (very much against the spirit of the second amendment), but asymmetric warfare elsewhere in the world shows that a motivated and armed populace can be a big problem for an occupying hostile force
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>>58333589
Look at historical examples.
The IRA never had more than about 400 core members for the duration of The Troubles.
The Taliban has roughly 150,000 men and about 60,000 of those are core members.
1% of the U.S population would be more than 3 million people, making just that 1% the largest irregular militia on the planet.
This spread over almost 9.9 million km2.
It would be impossible to stop such a force
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>>58333946
idk man, a lot of the non-grunt government employees tend to be grabbers. you see it all the time with certain MOS' in the military, a quick browse of TikTok can show you how common it is. it'd probably still be a problem, but they've got a pool to draw from.
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>>58332761
Ragheads in Afghanistan succesfully drove out the mightiest military on the planet with rusty AKs, turn of the century bolt action rifles and home made bombs.

You don't have to go toe to toe with tanks and jets, just taking potshots at soldiers, blowing up car caravans etc makes long term occupation untenable. In total war you can exterminate the whole population and reduce cities go rubble, this is off the table in a civil war, because they'd have nothing left to govern.
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>>58333911
>10%
You think 10% armed burger civvies would be able to hold off your entire military.
The same military that would, per burger claims, shit on the Chinese and Russians.
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>>58333391
Yeah man just send a small Army compromising less than 2% of the population to fight the 98%. I'm sure they won't fear for their loved ones lives and will get the help of the literal millions if civvy contractors that do everything from basic IT work to vehicle maintenance. Seems really plausible
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>>58334053
>go to war inside your own industrial base against people who look like they could be your neighbor
this is an endgame scenario for US interests. the wealthy want to stay that way, trying to use massed military violence against citizens is untenable.
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>>58334053
>30 million people
They could win using just sticks.
That's not even going to mention the military would be highly divided. Look at just the Marine Corp turn over during ACW, it was nearly 50% left to join the south.
Why would a soldier stay in the army after some other unit just glassed his childhood home?
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>>58333865
>Bundy standoff
>Snipers overseeing a nonviolent conflict
>One of which was a retarded tripfag
All these people do is posture and I hate it because it makes the rest of us look like assholes.
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>>58334092
You're misunderstanding what this situation would look like in modern day terms.
There wouldn't be a north/south divide, it would be one group of extremely retarded people thinking they are the "silent majority" deciding to try something that 99% of the population wouldn't follow them in.
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>>58334111
But the simple fact you know of the Bundy standoff means it worked.
It would have never even broke national news if he just rolled over in court.
But now it's forever burned in your mind even if you don't agree.
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>>58334117
It would be a divide between those that want to eat and those that can make it happen.
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>>58334117
true, even if you play with the percentages.
>>58333942
chatGPTs ideas would galvanize those loyal to the government.
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>>58334127
>But the simple fact you know of the Bundy standoff means it worked.
Hardly. I know of Esperanto as well, did Esperanto work out? IIRC a couple people died and like a dozen people caught felonies for the dumb shit they did during that nonsense.
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>>58332775
We you insinuating that we fold the constitution into a little paper crane? You fucking commie piece of shit.
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>>58332775
Papercraft and Origami?
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>>58334148
>those that can make it happen
Illegal alien agricultural laborers?
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>>58333528
Wrong.
The Cartels which already operate on every southern state will move in and take over cities like Houston.
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>>58332761
Look dude
The US has more guns than people. That is not an exaggeration, you might have heard it before and thought it was some kind of weird brag or something. It is not, it is fact. More guns than every man, woman and child.
Yamamoto was being literal when he said that if Japan tried to invade the US, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass. If the government actually went full tyranny all of a sudden there could be a trained resistance the next hour. Key word: COULD. Jefferson was very accurate in the declaration when he said that people put up with way more oppression than they should.
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>>58332761
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of America and its people. We need the guns as a passive deterrent. The second the American government used its military against its own citizens America would end. We don’t have to win, we just have to have the ability to fight. Also my constitutional rights aren’t up for debate regardless what the founding fathers meant or didn’t mean at the time.
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>>58334252
Yamamoto never said that and most hasguns are multipleguns. Arguably only 50% of the populace is reasonably armed and a good chunk of that is panic buyers who keep their shit unloaded in a shoe box in the closet.
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>>58332761
This is the kind of argument a person with zero knowledge of history makes. You could make the same damn argument when muskets were around and it would be just as bad then as it is now. There are several things to consider:
1. Civilians greatly outnumber government and military.
2. Civilians gain defender's advantage in their homes.
3. Soldiers aren't robots and will not blindly carry out immoral orders without fail. Their morale will also be severely affected if engaging in immoral orders.
4. Civil war harms the entire country, including government. They would try to avoid biting or straight-up tearing off the hand that feeds it.
5. Tanks, RPGs, artillery, and other large caliber weaponry is practically out of the question, especially in urban environments, as they would cause too much collateral damage and destruction of infrastructure.

In short, only retarded commies buy into your shitty and overused argument.
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>>58334318
You have no idea what you are talking about. If you knew what I know you would delete all of your posts.
Everything you posted is wrong.
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>>58334372
Post your SSN if you're so great.
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>it’s another retarded european who thinks the government can just nuke its own people and still come out winning
Eurotrash shouldn’t be allowed on /k/. You’re all sheltered retards that don’t know how the world works
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>>58334462
He's right, you know. You were so wrong here it might be prudent to reexamine everything you think you know, and I mean everything.
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>>58334513
*She
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>>58334499
>You’re all sheltered retards that don’t know how the world works
How does their government keep their minds so fluffy and nubile?
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>>58334513
Hes a Fed. They play dumb to get guys to post what they know or are planning.
Then arrest them on conspiracy charges.
>a tale as old as time
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>>58334462
>post SSN
here bitch, post 10-digit GRIDS so my friend can send you a special surprise
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>>58332761
>US population: 333,287,557
>typical insurgencies consist of 1-5% of total population
>1% of 333,287,557 = 3,332,875
>Also assuming that a war in the US would be the government vs the people and not the government vs the government as the military becomes factionalized when it is highly likely it would be the latter rather than the former is silly
>implying this insurgency of 3,332,875 wouldn't be armed with javelins, machine guns, armored fighting vehicles and support from everything from light mortars to JDAM strikes

>"realistically what is the chance you and your neighbours will be able to "secure a free State" with your gun cabinets"
Highly fucking likely, hence why the tyrants are always trying to take them away. Why else would they cause so much controversy and political dissent over something that they simultaneously claim is pointless and ineffective?
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>>58334555
>Asked to post their SSN
>Posts the Peoples' SSN
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>>58334613
You got something to say Sonic?
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>>58333308
>blocks your path
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>>58332761
the armed civilians actually contribute significantly to US stability, unlike what urbanite whining will tell you. their mere presence and prevalence creates a passive deterrence for foreign influence in difficult-to-administrate areas, which you can see play out directly in the success of Chinese "foreign policing" infrastructure in Canada compared to the US. it also encourages community building activity directly related to defense of that community - it's essentially impossible to do to the US what Russia did to Ukraine in Crimea as a result. the US military isn't actually what prevents this directly, as a "subtle" invasion poses a citizen hostage threat, which is something an overmatch-obsessed force struggles to handle, but an armed populace can make infeasible simply by existing.

oh, and the fact the US military is made of citizens kinda cripples the ability to use it against citizens - that's what police are for. the BSG line is complete bullshit, police ARE a military force, and one with the specific enemy target of the citizens - calling them something other than a military doesn't change their relationship to violence directed at the citizenry, which is indistinguishable from an occupying military (except it's arguably less respectful to citizens than US troops occupying a foreign nation are - police don't even
have enforced rules of engagement for fuck's sake). in fact, making them a special, isolated force encourages a focus on hostility towards citizens and discourages community involvement.
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>>58334814
US armed forces are held to a higher standard than the police in nearly every respect. sad state.
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>>58332808
>100%, their military is made up of citizens you know
mexican citizens
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>>58334111
On the other hand, let them think we are limp dick assholes. Let them under estimate us.
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>>58332761
Pretty high my dude. Any other answer is historically illiterate.
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>>58335017
See this is why nobody gives you a good-faith actual answer, when you say silly shit like that.
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>>58333475
This. Already we're seeing various states defy federal policy with almost zero repercussions. Florida is practically a second capital.
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>>58333634
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>>58333775
>>58333865
>>58333867
>>58334111
>>58334169
Steelefag, you are a thirdie retard with no guns. Those guys were detained for a couple of hours and then released with their guns because they had done nothing wrong, they were protesting, not planning to USE their weapons, why would they have shot at the cops in that situation? Here, you disingenuous little shrimpcock, is how Americans deal with Biden's shocktroops when they actually intend to use their weapons.
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>>58333037
what if the goal is genocide, how's the Second Amendment gonna work?
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>>58335212
I am a hasguns American.
Was Kyle right to shoot that communist's bicep off? Yes.
Was Kyle a retard for being there in the first place? Yes.
Will you hand over your guns to the police when the boot drops? Yes.
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>>58333589
they wrote that into the constitution for precisely this reason. an armed populace is impossible to coerce through violence. that option just isn't available, so politicians have to win through the polls.

that system has broken down over the last 200 years, but thanks to Samuel Colt, violence still isn't a realistic option for the would-be tyrant.
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>>58335278
>"Rock paper scissors? But what if I had a gun? Guess that breaks the game, huh?"
What a stupid fucking argument.
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>>58332761
Doesn't the American Civil War prove that the 2nd Amendment doesn't work? I mean half the country tried to secure their own free state against the other half and lost.

If 50% the country can't defeat America, then what makes people think that even 1% of rebels can even win against America?
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>>58335291
>Was Kyle a retard for being there in the first place? Yes.
>Will you hand over your guns to the police when the boot drops? Yes.
A willful and conscious coward thinks that other people will bend as willingly as he expects to. I'm just shocked, I tell you.
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>>58333942
this is the most based thing I've ever seen a bot say
tay 2.0
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>>58335291
>I am a hasguns American
You are a lying thirdie faggot.
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>>58335297
Well let's say that the government doesn't want to play mister nice guy in Afghanistan anymore and starts rounding up all Afghans into concentration camps/cities and starts roaming the countryside to kill any Afghans that tried to hide or rebel.

If you push any country hard enough, they'll start to play hardball.
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>>58332761
Idk when did bullets stop having the ability to kill soilders?
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>>58332761
>, realistically what is the chance you and your neighbours will be able to "secure a free State" with your gun cabinets.
I have zero faith in society they will just continue to degrade into further degeneration and immorality at a rapid pace. Luckily it's basically divided up into 100% city dependent golem slaves, and people who are the last remaining independent americans in rural america. The city fags will probably come here and try to raid the counrty side, under some strange ethos, as directed, inconspicuously by their masters (Jews), and it will probably look a lot like the civil war. In the end, globohomos goal is to make the world a noahide cast system under rainbow flag, run from israel, so any traitors that are too dumb to see that this is happening will ultimately end up being slaves in the end. All I have to worry about is killing as many of them as possible in the shortest amount of time, and terrifying them in their hearts, making them go back to their gay slave cities with stories. There's nothing to "secure". I am already at peak freedom. The state can eat a bag of dicks and die. Fuck all golem globohomos. We are going to scalp you, if you survive a rifle engagement. The rural americans will make ISIS look like cub scouts.
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>>58334582
This isn't even to mention just how many military and military-like forces there are in the US under different command and jurisdiction. There are 50 states, each with their own kind of military force, and over 3000 counties with their own police forces. The military itself has multiple branches that are often competing with one another. Tons of the alphabet agencies have their own forces.

Even without taking the civilian militia forces into account, 1-2% of which fully armed and organized would be enough to take out any government incursion on their rights, you can see how untenable it is.
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>>58334582
What would you classify the American Civil War as?

An insurgency writ large?
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>>58335544
A country in its literal infancy having a territorial and ideological tantrum among its citizenry. In a way, Lincoln and his people understood a war was the only way to fully unite the country, regardless of the causes and consequences.
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>>58332761
>You can't just murder people in their sleep
>All combat is in open fields where you know who your enemy is
fucking retarded nigger
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>>58335554
>you won't do shi-ACK!
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>>58335313
Forgive me for not posturing. Just to appease you I'll throw a Punisher decal on my car then tweet that I'm very angry about things but go no further than that because that'd make me a glownigger.

>>58335318
>Frogposter
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>>58332761
>realistically what is the chance you and your neighbours will be able to "secure a free State" with your gun cabinets.
100%. It's just a matter of time.
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>>58333942
Shooty shooty pew pew pew!
Let's all learn what guns can do!
Liberals in the USA
Love to nod their heads and say,
"You bought your guns from a store!
You can't fight a civil war!
Fight the army, you will lose!
They have jets and tanks to use!"
That's not where the story ends!
They have homes, and kids, and friends!
Tyrants threaten you with bombs?
Just remember: they have moms!
You can't live inside your jet!
Can we find you? Yes, you bet!
You'd send soldiers and marines
Up against AR-15s?
They're outnumbered ten to one.
That is why I need a gun.
Don't forget, because it's true:
Government is scared of you.

Unironically XXI century best poem
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>>58335635
Put your stepdad's guns back before he belts you.
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>>58335324
>what if EVERY SINGLE ONE of the people whose primary qualification is their ability to obtain and secure political power SUDDENLY forget how to do that and decide FOR NO REASON that the only thing they want is to go for MAXIMUM KILLS?
>what if we pretend that they aren't dependent on a taxpaying populous, industrial infrastructure, or a general willingness of the rest of the world to not bomb them?
>what if everybody else on Earth just goes along with it?
>what then?
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>>58335635
>having balls is posturing
Projection.
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>>58335457
>I am already at peak freedom.
>The state can eat a bag of dicks and die.
You paid your taxes yet?
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>>58335709
No and I don't intend to.
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>>58332761
given that rice farmers and various types of sand niggers could do it, 100%
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>>58335299
Do you legitimately think this is a good argument? Are you this historically illiterate and “I don’t know what words mean” illiterate as well? First and foremost, the South did not constitute 50% of the US’s population, not even close. Second, that was a conventional war between opposing armies. The KKK and paramilitary insurgencies fucking won after the civil war when the north left and stopped trying to police the South, then instituted neo slavery and a massive return to the status quo that’s still not been fully shaken off even today almost 200 years later.
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>>58335693
What a limp reply to someone posting guns.

>>58335706
What specifically would I be projecting?
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>>58335860
“Posturing” implies that the other person does not in fact have balls. You are projecting your lack of balls onto your interlocutors (you are a pussy). Please feel free to reach out with any more questions or concerns and I’ll help in any way I can.
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>>58333152
No shit. Hajis and VC wrote the playbook.
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>>58332845
HE THINKS AMERICANS ONLY HAVE SMALL ARMS HUE HUE HUE
you know you can build a recoilless launcher from pipes at home depot and a quick trip to any electronics hobby shop
those drunk irishmen call it a prig
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>>58335882
>“Posturing” implies that the other person does not in fact have balls.
It's weird that you're making this about sexual organs.
Very Feinsteiny.
However I'll go ahead and point out that Revolution 2.0 hasn't happened yet and most of what people do while OCing guns in public is try to look cool.
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>>58335860
>l-limp
Rich from someone who has already announced that he plans to comply with grabblers.
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>>58335930
But you don't have balls tho, because you are a pussy.
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>>58335930
>It's weird that you're making this about sexual organs.
Absolutely Big Bang Theory tier roast, damn bro, sounds like something Rachel Maddow would say
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>>58335930
>Revolution 2.0
The fact that so many Americans are armed is why the fed can't simply grab guns, and why all the red states are now casually doing their own thing while Biden seethes about it. You're a child if you genuinely don't see the difference between licking the federal boot and using the existing system to fix things until it becomes unfeasible. The existence of so many firearms is a shield against federal overreach, not an incentive to shoot first. How many states are dismantling the left's ideology in education, right now? Because your side (the left) seems to be throwing a fit about a new one every day, you collectivist faggot. Now go whine about /k/ on your homeboard, you impotent little cuck.
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>>58336038
>>58336042
>>58336061
You're mad with nothing salient to say and no plan of action. Exactly my point.

>>58336072
>The fact that so many Americans are armed is why the fed can't simply grab guns
Frankly I don't think that's accurate and more to the point I hardly think they need to. Also it won't be the feds, it'll be municipal cops.
>the left
My voter registration card has an R on it.
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>>58336190
Look man, nobody here is going to be able to force you against your will into a gestalt switch where all the sudden you’ll see yourself as responsible for and capable of protecting yourself and those close to you. You should consider talking to a doctor about your testosterone levels.
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>>58332761
Texas is still sucking uncle Sam's dick so not likely. That pride and joy of a stand alone power grid can't even take an inch of snow before shutting down
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>>58335917
Post directions, please.
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>>58336190
>My voter registration card has an R on it.
Okay democRat.
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The military is made up of our own families. We have all the guns, period. There aren't enough drugged up trannies being shuffled around to change that.
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>>58336072
>guns are the reason red states are doing their own things while Biden seethes about it

you trollin' mate? Red states are able to do their own things because of political/business interests. Not because a bunch of plebs are packing heat.
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Conservatives love to jerk-off about "muh states's rights" and how cool federalism is.

In that case, why is there no momentum in the GOP to go back to the old-school "13 colonies" federalism? That's almost practically as free as you can get without calling yourself a confederacy.
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>>58336628
>>58336648
I wonder what happened to you that left you this salty about free armed men. Did you come home from your job at the ATF one day and find some Cletus with a /k/ shirt on rawdogging your fat wife?
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>>58336648
>Conservative politician finally ascends to the levers of power.
>"golly, I sure do love all this power, I'm starting to have second thoughts about giving myself less power"

There has never been a politician at the levers of power who has given themselves less power.
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>>58336689
Cincinnatus.
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>>58336676
because the idea that Biden is powerless to stop Red state politicians all because of a bunch of civilians packing small arms is fucking stupid.
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>>58336648
>go back to the old-school "13 colonies" federalism

this is actually a good idea
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>Alright burgers, tell me straight, if your government and your military actually turns on you, realistically what is the chance you and your neighbours will be able to "secure a free State" with your gun cabinets.

Let me put it this way, the United States and its 2 million man army (plus Marines, Navy, and Air Force) was unable to defeat the Taliban, an organization that at its peak, comprised of approximately 60,000 fighter and usually averaged closer to 30,000 at any given time. This isn't even getting into the technological disparity or the fact that the actual warmaking ability of the United States (military industry, transportation centers, command and control facilities, etc.) was essentially untouchable to the Taliban due to sheer geographic distance.

All of those advantages and it still simply wasn't enough. We can try and rationalize it away as "it wasn't ackchyually a defeat" or blame whatever political party we dislike as much as we want, but it doesn't change the fact that the US Armed Forces were given a task and was unable to fulfill it.

What do you think is going to happen when the US Military has to fight an enemy that is ten or perhaps even a hundredfold that number, that speaks the same language, looks the same, knows the American playbook, and has the ability to inflict catastrophic damage on the American capacity to wage war through simple acts of industrial sabotage?

The simple and most correct answer is "nothing good"
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>>58336707
If you can't understand how it works, you're fucking stupid.
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>>58336790
Yeah but YOU'LL be dead, anon.
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>>58336832
you're stupid for thinking republicans got their way because of guns instead of just political capital and corporate interest alignment.
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>>58336894
So did Cletus rawdog your wife or did he put a condom on because her genes didn't match the standards of his trailer park?
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>>58335744
>The KKK and paramilitary insurgencies fucking won after the civil war when the north left and stopped trying to police the South, then instituted neo slavery and a massive return to the status quo

lmao, what?
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>>58332775
subtle bait
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>>58336904
dodging the question, huh?
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>>58333589
>Given the fact your own founders wrote this thing into your constitution, it's at least obvious they think it's a possibility.
They wrote it into the constitution because the threat at the time the free state was facing was from the British Empire and to resist that Empire the US wanted lots of soldiers in ready to go militias preferably with their own arms.
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>>58335898

The real shit is that George Washington wrote the playbook, long before the VC or the Taliban.
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>>58336954

The American Revolution was technically a modern war by all accounts, and the inception of a modern nation, as well as a modern military.

Those victorious revolutionaries became our military today.
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>>58336916
You didn't even ask a question let alone make a good faith argument you dumb fed faggot.
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We even had guy like Tim Murphy, a Patriot volunteer and one of America's first snipers.
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>>58336975

>We even had guys* like Tim Murphy, a Patriot volunteer and one of America's first snipers.

Or Captain John Parker, commander at Lexington, just brave men who loved America, had a gun, and knew how to use it.
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>>58336972
>good faith argument

lol, you're one to talk.
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>>58332845
>The small arms stop the food getting onto base
>The small arms stop the fuel getting onto base
How many revolutions have succeeded against regimes with tanks and planes, even in the last 20 years? An armed populace is the difference between the Arab Spring and Tiananmen Square.
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We can solve the 2nd Amendment question by doing some simple statistics. We simply count the number of times that the civilian population or government has waged war upon itself. Of those number of times, how many times has the civilians won, and how many times has the government won?

We obviously had the big Civil War, chalk one for the government.

What other American rebellions/civil wars are there?
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>>58335017
ask for some primers before you post thirdie
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>>58337179
Notice all the tyrannies that have been inflicted on "democratic" countries since 1776 that haven't occured in the United States?
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>>58335635
lmao
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>>58337179
>We obviously had the big Civil War, chalk one for the government.
whoa so this is the power of thirdie education...
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>>58337244
I dunno about that, the Canadians seem pretty chill since their inception.
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>>58337179
>We obviously had the big Civil War, chalk one for the government.
Are you retarded?
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>>58332761
Something most people don't know/conveniently ignore about the
>well-regulated militia
part of the second amendment is that most men (I think Quakers and other conscientious objectors to violence were exempt) were actually required to own a gun capable of mustering for military drills, and owning a sufficient amount of powder and bullets as well. Then they would show up for muster some number of times per year for penis inspection.

Actually, prior to the Constitution and all the amendment things, the Continental government or whatever it was called during the Revolutionary War relieved those conscientious objectors of any musterable firearms they owned. Da damn gubmint been takin are guns since before it was da damn gubmint!
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>>58337120
Yes, I am. I'm not going to sit here and engage some retarded intern whose proudest life moment was Kamala Harris touring his office and telling you you're all doing a super good job protecting democracy from those mean ol' patriots.
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>>58337249
brrrrrrrruh
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>>58337179
Steelefag your samefagging isn't subtle, but for those in the thread who aren't familiar, the Battle of Athens was the result of a group of armed veterans noticing that a Democrat Machine in their small town was turning it into a criminal hellhole, and the Democrats rigged elections to keep it that way, so they removed the Democrats at gunpoint.
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>>58337249
Holy shit.
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>>58340486
no, it was slightly unclear from the phrasing, but it appears he meant in contrast to the extant Camaro-downpayment-motivated force, his patriotism-motivated force won’t turn
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>>58337249
I have a stupid dumb boomer question. What website is that and how do I use it? Please help me, I am old.
>>58337266
You mean the same country that is actively turning into a police state that euthanizes you like a racehorse with a broken leg when you try to actually use your "free" healthcare? The one that can freeze your bank account if you go to a protest you don't like? The one where Trudeau has been appointed president for life? The one with massive gun bans going on now done entirely through fiat? That Canada? The one that would be utterly irrelevant and third-world if they had to pay for their own defense? The Canada run by people like webm related?
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>>58340486
Thirdie education at work.
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>>58340528
>That webm
Petty tyrants really are embarrassing, they have absolutely nothing else going for them so they all vent their frustrations onto their colleagues and subordinates. The OPSEC part is true though, don't air out all your shit on social media unless you're already secure and detached from relying on these assholes.
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>>58340528
Why do HR cunts all look the same? Also holy fucking crazy eyes batman
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>>58336972
i envy that downie. He looks like he's having more fun than i ever could.
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>>58333590
Correct. I’m not sure why ammosexuals suck cop dick so hard.
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>well regulated
well equipped
>militia
all able bodied men aged 17-45
>the right
the right
>to keep and bear arms
to possess weapons and defensive articles such as armor without the possibility of confiscation
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>>58332761
It's more of a passive negotiation. Basically, local governors can't do X or Y because they know it'd result in an armed riot, and the government won't try X or Y because idiots with guns have great capacity to cause damage to every party on the continent or become a self-perpetuating issue.
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>>58340528
>>58340965
She got fired
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>>58344633
>ammosexuals
No matter how many times you reply to yourself you'll still be the same kind of faggot getting casually beat up by the average fat boy here.
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>>58344826
Oops, wrong webm, fixed.
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>>58332761
>Alright burgers, tell me straight, if your government and your military actually turns on you, realistically what is the chance you and your neighbours will be able to "secure a free State" with your gun cabinets.
Zero, a "free State" is an oxymoron.

Realistically 100% if they went door to door burning down houses, 0% if they showed up at 0.1% of the populations houses each day with a "warrant" and then just killed the prisoners. Humans are livestock, they will comply as long as you don't spook them.
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>>58344834
Jesus that shit is brutal, not ONE antifa on top, just a one-sided beatdown by regular right-wing dads.
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>>58332761
Is it worth it?
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The 2nd amendment should be strictly interpreted to mean that every citizen should be able to own ONE firearm to use as part of a hypothetical civilian militia in defense of the United States.

It does not mean that everyone gets to have as many guns as they want and can form their own deranged "militias" (cults) all willie nilly.

Anyone who disagrees is wrong.
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>>58340541
You mean the south
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>>58340528
>Trudeau has been appointed president for life?
Stop voting for him dummy.
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>>58332761
>30 million ars in the United States alone without counting the millions more that aren’t ars

How would the citizens not win? Planes and tanks have to refuel at some point and if the gobburment has to resort to nukes, they’ve already lost.
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>>58344913
>strictly interpreted to mean something abstracted from the text
Aight.
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>>58344913
You’re literally not American, so your opinion is discarded.
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I think the ATF and some FBI might have new careers in retail security in their future. Standing around Foot Locker 8 hours a day...."Hey come back here!" As niggers run away with ugly shoes made by slant eyed children.
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>>58344929
>How would the citizens not win
Simple. The citizens aren't a hivemind. They're 30 million individual people and therefore they lose to cops, who can gang up in groups of 4 or 5 to defeat them one at a time.

Cops have fought criminals for centuries. They've never exterminated them all and often a criminal gang ekes out a local win for a time, but generally the government is always in control.
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>>58344913
Steelefag why do you type like that? Is it psychological?
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>>58344998
Yes, clearly that's why the British royal family still runs the USA, you gay French Star Wars autist.
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>>58345241
>-t. petty criminal afraid two cops with Glocks and phones will find his quirky violation of gun law
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>>58344915
I think he was pretty clear when he said "thirdie" anon.
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>>58345260
>glocks and phones
Oh so it was you earlier in the thread posting a gun you didn't own. You make yourself way too obvious, baguette.
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>>58345280
Don't respond to yourself, thirdie.
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>>58345288
>everyone who finds a flaw in my simplistic argument is unamerican
Concession accepted. Don't forget to confuse me with the next anon to critique you!
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>>58344998
>Cops have fought criminals for centuries.
Oh, am I laffin.
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>>58332761
the military literally lost every war since WWII.
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>>58344913
"arms" is plural. you're not interpreting anything, you're completely ignoring the law, and perhaps more importantly, lacking basic reading comprehension.
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Better chance than you have, you groveling dog.
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>>58345296
Brain rotted
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>>58344913
>strictly interpreted
If you wanted to strictly interpret the Second to fuck people over and were actually literate, you'd notice that the right is only to bear arms, not anything else to do with them. That means there's no Constitutional protection for ammunition supply, so the government can regulate the shit out of it if they so choose.
Somewhat counterintuitively you'd never get ammo companies to back amending an ammo supply protection into the Constitution, as making it a constitutional right to have ammo supply for all arms would open them up to attack from owners of weapons in bizarre and deranged 1890s calibers which could kill a company if they were forced to keep them in production.
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>>58335635
did you really think you could reuse a photo that was posted on this board and not get caught?
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>>58335324
Guess we'll die then but, at that point would you even want to live?
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>>58345331
You use the same unusual phrase multiple times with the exact same typing style of course you're going to get outed as the same person, retard.
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>>58345658
Post flag and guns.
>>58345782
He's pretending to be someone else now after using the same phrasing and typing style twice. >>58333744 >>58345260
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>>58335324
Soviets tried making the place a free fire zone. Didn't work well, like most retarded teenage fantasies.
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>>58345682
You're absolutely retarded, ammunition are arms, nobody has a constitutional responsibility to produce anything, but no the government can't (again, constitutionally) ban it. It's a pretty small brained take to not understand that they're tyrants who will do what they want until stopped.
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>>58332761
taliban literally just answered this question and look at the tranny army we have, ezpz
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>>58345782
Steelefag has clinical narcissism, it's why when trolled into talking about himself he'll claim he owns the most expensive guns and cars and worked for the government and other crazy shit. He is functionally incapable of realizing he is a smoothbrain and easily caught when he pulls stupid stunts like that. He's over in the truck gun thread and a bunch of others right now, doing the same thing, insisting any situation in which someone might need a gun is a LARP because he is a noguns who is literally from fucking France.
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>>58345889
>tranny army
The US military is still mostly Southern and Midwestern white men who are absolutely killing machines, the type that always volunteer to go kill hajis for free college. The problem is, those are the exact guys that will desert in the event of a civil conflict and go pass on everything they learned in the service to all of their buddies and relatives back home, forming countless little militia cells of relatives and neighbors with high trust and low penetrability. In short, it's even worse for Biden than you described.
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>>58345919
Post pro-Trump content and you can make him go absolutely batshit and start posting his insane hand-drawn infographics showing how Trump and Putin and Tucker Carlson colluded with Exxon to make the Star Wars movies fail, shit's wild.
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>>58345939
Trust the plan. The South will rise again!
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>>58332761
>secure
Leading cause of unnatural death after the last century is rogue (mostly communist) governments. If you don't make it expensive to pull a tyranny, history slides you into that gutter. You only have to make it logistically untenable.
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i like to think that the mere existence of millions of armed and unstable people keeps the government from fucking shit up too quickly

the federal government has shown itself eager to use violence against its own people on many occasion. but how much state-sanctioned murder has an armed populace deterred?
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it boggles the fucking mind that Americans think that all other first world countries are fucking hellholes just because America has the least restrictive gun laws of them all.
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>>58332761
Our government has gamed it out forwards and backwards.. They even started gaming it with exceptional circumstances. Weird stuff like heavy outside help for the government, pandemics and starvation events. In every single iteration the government implodes within days to a few weeks. The government is terrifyingly fragile it turns out and cannot even exist a few days in most situations if kinetic resistance hits anything higher than .05%. That's right, not even 3fucking%. .05% going kinetic ends fucking everything quickly. It immediately dominoes into severe systemic failures that quickly adds to those going kinetic against all authority. We're barely held together as a nation. It's actually surprising we haven't fallen apart sooner.
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>>58345980
That has nothing to do with my post, but okay thirdie. Is your goal just to create noise and hope it stifles out any actual discussion like on /pol/?
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>>58332845
You can't fight a tank with homemade bombs and small arms, but you can destroy the logistics and infrastructure needed to supply a tank with small arms and homemade bombs.
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>>58346061
Yeah, uh, we don't get arrested for offensive twitter posts or denying the holocaust or get our bank accounts frozen because we said mean things about Trudeau. If some refugee tries to rape a woman and I shoot him, I won't go to jail. You live in a hellhole, you're just riding on the free shit your government can temporarily afford to give you because they don't pay for their own defense, and by the time that runs out the tyranny you shrugged at and accepted will have been the way of things for long enough that nobody can muster sufficient outrage to overturn it.
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>>58333391
Weapons are the ultimate political subject. Everything else is just bullshit.
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>>58346084
One elk hunter with a tree stand and his elk gun can shut down a highway.
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>>58334053
>oh no how did ricin get into all that water in the mess hall?
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>>58346061
how does it boggle your mind?
you're a on a weapons board retardo
the people here - on average - consider states with more restrictive gun laws inadvisable to live in long term. shit man it's almost a 'where do you think you are' post
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>>58334053
Anon that's 30 million people. 30 million UNARMED people could beat the US military just by zerg rushing military bases
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>>58334053
The Chinese and Russians don't live here and have every piece of infrastructure surrounded. Worse for your example, the typical Chinese/Russian conscript is probably weaker and has less range time than your typical American gun owner, and isn't fighting for the survival of his way of life. That last point is absolutely a gamechanger.
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>>58346042
> keeps the government from fucking shit up too quickly

lmao, that has never stopped the corrupt government from fucking up the country. If anything, the government is increasingly fucking over it's own citizens even quicker.
In fact, because we have so many law-abiding armed citizens, the fascist pig cops have an even more flimsy excuse to start ventilating people at the drop of hat all because "i feared for muh life".
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>>58334117
>>58334161
Current polling indicates otherwise, and I don't know why you bothered responding to yourself when 4chan extensions exist that flag samefag posts.
>those loyal to the government
Who? Even most Democrats hate Biden. He's the candidate the establishment chose for them and they're too weak to refuse to play ball like Republicans did after Ron Paul got screwed over. Not the candidate they wanted.
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>>58334227
The cartels will have their own problems and with the illegal wetbacks already here, flee as fast as they fucking can to get out of the way of us slaughtering each other. An American civil war is the cartels worst nightmare.. Their money would dry up as soon as it visibly starts.
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>>58335299
Having the ability to revolt doesn't guarantee success
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>>58346144
>source: it was real in my mind after a few meth hits
The fact that I'm here at my computer and not in a gulag is all the proof I need that you're retarded and need to grow up before you can post here. Shoo shoo commie fag.
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>>58336909
Share cropping and segregation allowed southern states to continue to treat blacks however they wanted despite not being allowed to say that they own them.
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>>58346166
This. It's only the Federal Government existing which stops locals from just blasting every Mexican they see crossing the border.
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>>58334372
Stop telling them the truth. Let them go into battle believing their own bullshit. It will save us many bullets.
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>>58346180
Don't forget that then when votes became more valuable than cotton, the Democrats just shipped them into the big cities, hooked them on welfare via the Model Cities Program, and use them as a plantation to this day.
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>>58346187
>them
Steelefag is one autist from /tv/. Bullying him is fun. I will not stop. Nor will I reveal my or anyone else's actual plans, however.
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>>58337179
The civil war was the government fighting itself you fucking idiot., it wasn't a revolt or insurgency.
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>>58346119
what? that sounds so absurd. A person's life doesn't revolve around one single hobby. And even if it did, not everyone has the same level of zeal or passion about it. Not to mention just because someone is interested in the topics of weapons/wars doesn't automatically make a pro-gun person. That's just a stereotype.
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>>58335017
any 3rd world rabble will do really. since those country bumpkins refuse to sign up anymore
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>>58346210
Oh it does. And in any case I rather live in the US than any European country than Switzerland, Norway or Finland. And as I understand most Europeans don't live in those countries for some inexplicable reason.
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>>58346172
you're a fool to trust that the government won't stop fucking you over or the cops will stop killing innocent people.
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>>58332770
lol, the Muh Patriot argument. I hate to break this to you but the people who make up military would do literally anything to not get in trouble, if this means taking your guns away or shooting a kid in the face, nothing is out of question to these ppl. If the order comes down to do it, it will be done. If you think otherwise you are a naive fool
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>>58346210
>hobby
The breaking of the state monopoly on violence is not a hobby, it is what separates a citizen from a subject. As much fun as a range day is, as enjoyable as it is to play with firearms, the possession and need to practice with them has a far more serious purpose.
>>58346235
I would indeed be a fool if that was what I said. However, that is not what I said. I pointed out, correctly, how much worse things are in countries without an armed population. Also BLM almost exclusively rioted for non-innocent people. George Floyd deserved to die. Jacob Blake deserved to die for sure, sad he didn't. That guy at Wendy's who grabbed the taser? Definitely deserved to die, his family is better off without him. BLM rioted for criminals because Marxists see criminals as their natural allies and useful foot soldiers, it's why you can't fire three bullets into a crowd of antifa without hitting a pedo, a domestic abuser, and a burglar.
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>>58346261
>appeal to cynicism
When every study and psychological test proves you wrong, just appeal to cynicism, revel in your stupidity and call everyone else naive. Cope and seethe, leftoid, we have a volunteer military made up of citizens.
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>>58346168
Being a hyperfragile modern nation/economy guarantees all power structures collapse when it goes fucking Lord Of The Flies with modern firearms and guys with a firm grasp of chemistry.
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>>58346210
>just because someone is interested in the topics of weapons/wars doesn't automatically make a pro-gun person. That's just a stereotype.
There is actually a massive correlation between having masculine interests and being right-wing, it's why so many left-wing women have a small flock of left-wing providers and a right-wing man they who gives them all of their sex.
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>>58346210
You gotta be a fed, European or one seriously retarded bitch.. You're definitely 2 of those three.
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>>58346061
Those countries didn't have niggers or indians since the birth of the country.
Those countries would be changing their tune if a million niggers/arabs/spics suddenly appeared in their country.
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>>58346293
> left-wing women have a small flock of left-wing providers and a right-wing man they who gives them all of their sex.

you mean e-girl thots?
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I reckon war against a perceived tyranny is the basal form of American warfare. Both sides will consider the other some kind of tyrant in such a scenario. So I figure there's a pretty good chance there will be a lot of other civilians who need killing too.

There's a few weeks when it's a mere crisis instead of war. And in that time is when the loyalty of the military comes into question. Really they don't even know when they're casting a die. It won't be like Caesar.
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>>58346210
>can't judge a board with just one stereotype

bullshit you definitely can. The /a/ board are filled with pedophilic weebs, and the /r9k/ board are filled with bitter incels, and that's the cold truth.
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>>58346235
>>58346144
This is also Steelefag, possibly. He has a pattern of, when he gets caught out in multiple threads for his distinctive attention-getting typing style with line breaks between every sentence or so, switching to a deliberately more "ghetto anarchist" style of typing that he thinks fits in better.
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>>58346261
Braindead drones don't fight effectively and quickly break when they keep finding their buddies gutted and tortured to death.. And they especially don't handle it well when they realize their loved ones can and will be reached by the enemy. The few that keep fighting then foolishly apply such tactics to the population they are fighting. It gets really ugly really fast then. It's hard to call in air support when there's no fuel, ordinance and the base hasn't seen any supplies after months of sustained fighting. Who do think makes spare parts? Food? Fuel? Ammo? Moves it all around? The government is fucked, even if the population simply just doesn't support it enough.. Much less when even a small portion of that population decides to murder the fuck out of the system. Besides, the government is fucking itself over more than any enemy outside of itself currently. Why pay for the cow when the milk is free?
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>>58346286
dude, I chat with hung out with, partied with and have been around more soldiers than you. I have seen how they do their jobs and the attitudes that they have when doing it. I also asked this same fucking question over the years and was told repeatedly that yes they would if requested, so fuck off with your noble servicemen boomber fuddlore horseshit
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>>58346344
>noooo loads of people will totally be ridin' with Biden! You'll have to shoot civilians!
I "reckon" you're a faggot.
>>58346334
It's incredibly common among left-wing women in general. I'm a thoroughly average guy and I've plowed more commie women than I can count because their "housemates" (who all call themselves her husbands) were limp-mohawk soibois and nothing dries up pussy like a male leftist.
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>>58346400
Cool story bro, shame you're a lying fucking faggot with no guns.
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>>58346409
Okay buddy calm down there you do know civil wars generally involve a bit of that bloody kansas type shit
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>>58346417
lmao, nice goal post move. Not only am I haz gunz but I'm haz better gunz then you faggot
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>>58346426
fuck i mean bleeding kansas but you know
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>>58346426
Steelefag your attempt to sound like a rural American is only slightly more pathetic than your attempt to sound like an urban American. Congratulations.
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>>58346433
Are these also going to turn out to be someone else's guns?
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>>58346400
I live near Ft. Hood, not Ft. Wetback. The military is split. They'll kill the fuck out of each other and the survivors will determine what groups go to what side. The nearby veterans will grab equipment and they'll have their loyalties. It's going to be an utter bloodbath. Meh. Shit happens.
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>>58332761
It's like you haven't learned anything from the recent slav debacle. Army toys are fancy, but not very useful without a constant and reliable stream of logistics, which in turn depends on a population willing to support you and providing said logistics
It's already bad enough to have an unsupportive population, often results in a campaign turning completely unsustainable and eventually fall apart (vietnam, afghan, etc). Now imagine a population that's actively trying to sabotage you
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>>58346444
Trips of truth.
>>58346400
>leftist is told by the diversity hire troon who works a desk for the air force that xie would totally grab guns from the chuds if Biden asked
How surprising, a faggot is friends with faggots.
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i'd like for the government to be tyrannical just so the civilian population can have a violent armed resistance against the government, then we can finally put this stupid debate to rest.
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>>58346438
Who the heck do you think I am
You've got it all wrong pal
And in any case I'm right regardless of the mistaken identity
There's no scenario where it's going be just army types on one side and gun nuts on the other. It's gonna be a bloody mix. And since you don't like reckon I think there's gonna be a lot of civies killing civies
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>>58346518
He's going all out.
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>>58346575
All I can say is you're mistaken and your stubborn denial of my separate personhood keeps you from acknowledging the facts that civil wars are usually bloody messes and there's plenty of civilians killing civilians
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>>58336648
The republicans would LOVE it if we could go back to the federalism of yore "13 colonies" style. But it's the democrats who will reject any attempts to do so. If anything blame the Democrats.
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>>58346575
Post guns.
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>>58346651
Post that same pic for the 8th time
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>>58346575
He probably heard about code switching since it's a mainstream Democrat meme and he's an unironic mainstream media believer and thinks if he just finds the right "voice" we'll start supporting "common sense gun control legislation, yeehaw!"
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>>58346610
>drops the pretense immediately when challenged
lol, lmao
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>>58333942
Holy fuck lol
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I will never understand how euros simultaneously say:
>Taliban defeated the entire US zog with AKs haha burgers cannot fight
>You and your AR15 stand no chance against drones just give up
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>>58346651
Your turn faggot.
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>post gun
>Steelefag goes dead silent
Like clockwork.
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>>58333942
Truly robots were based all along. Why can't we put this little dude in one of those Boston Dynamics robot dog bodies?
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>>58346988
>silence, commie
>the commie goes silent
Checked.
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>>58346286
Zogbots are not humans and the spics they are filling the army with aren't there to protect you but the future deracinated America people like Biden and Pelosi want
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>>58347915
I'm in west virginia you arrogant mutt
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>>58347925
>I'm in west virginia
>mutt
West Virginia oblast? I remain the only person who has posted a timestamped gun in this thread. Your turn. I have seen enough of you piss-poor concerned trolls, your demoralization tactics only fill me with a righteous desire to ensure you NEVER get the multipolar world you imagine would give you the freedom to genocide your neighbors.
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>>58347915
I guarantee he's not European. My experiences on /pol/ before it became as unusable as it is today, as well as in those threads jannies have moved over there and the few times I've gone to watch /chug/ have meltdowns over the latest bad news from Russia, has taught me a very simple fact. Nobody who uses the term "mutt" is ever white. At best they're some kind of East Euro Turkish rapebaby, but by far the most common circumstance is that they are a spic. Not even a Mexican or a Brazilian, people with actual semblance of a culture, but straight up South American natives as brown as a turd.
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>>58332809
You don't need a majority just vastly superior weapons
>, this scenario is unrealistic
The way America is going, large-scale violence will be an inevitability. The US economy is built on borrowing worthless paper from jews. It's fairy dust. To answer the faggot OP's question, having the bare minimum tools to resist a government are important, and that's why they want people disarmed. If you see a problem with the second amendment itself you're either darwinistically retarded, a glownigger, or have lived with so much comfort you cannot imagine the idea of being under the control of sociopaths who do not have your best interests at heart.
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>>58346988
I like that wood and its finish.
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>>58347967
>muh puccia :(
Cope, tranny. Literally made a thread laughing at Russia 's delusion not even 30 minutes ago. You think the federal government and people affiliated with it give a fuck about you? Have you ever seen how faggot cops behave with a taste of authority? And that's not even accounting for the race bias. The multipolar world is already happening because the US has weakened itself with 60 years of anti-white state policy
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>>58348008
Bro you can't even maintain the facade of being right-wing for a single post, what are you doing with your life? I'm sorry, but you socialists lost. You're not going to trick people into embracing your gay collectivist authoritarianism. Appeal to cynicism only works on children who think they're special and smarter than their classmates to make up for being bad at sports. The military is even now full of lads I'm proud to know who will cheerfully turn over their bases and weapons to fellow patriots in the event of the government overstepping, and you will never be a real commissar or white for that matter. Cope, seethe, and dilate because you probably come from one of those countries that survives on sex tourism to the tranny hooker pits.
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>Bro you can't even maintain the facade of being right-wing for a single post, what are you doing with your life? I'm sorry, but you socialists lost. You're not going to trick people into embracing your gay collectivist authoritarianism. Appeal to cynicism only works on children who think they're special and smarter than their classmates to make up for being bad at sports. The military is even now full of lads I'm proud to know who will cheerfully turn over their bases and weapons to fellow patriots in the event of the government overstepping, and you will never be a real commissar or white for that matter. Cope, seethe, and dilate because you probably come from one of those countries that survives on sex tourism to the tranny hooker pits.
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>>58347992
Thanks, it's cherrywood. I like it but the stock itself gives me some problems with the fixed mag in and the duckbills it came with originally suck a fat donkey cock. That SKS was my first gun though, so I'll never sell it.
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>>58348082
>muh mutttts
Man that whole "West Virginia" LARP ended quick.
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>>58348095
American by birth
Proud hater of the United Sodomites by virtue of having a soul
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>>58347980
Holy fucking cope. You sound rattled. That means it's working
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>>58348104
Then you should have no problem posting a gun.
>>58348142
Yes, it is working at outing you as a thirdie. It shouldn't be hard to disprove it by posting a gun.
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>posting my shit on an FBI website
You gearing up for the next tranny terrorist attack?
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>>58347980
I'm an unironic dixie sore loser who still hates the Unites Sodomites
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>>58332761
>realistically what is the chance you and your neighbours will be able to "secure a free State" with your gun cabinets.
Leaving aside /pol/ arguments the chances of an armed resistance beating the military is absolutely zero percent, and you'd have to be delusional to claim otherwise.

But at the same time the odds of such a conflict are also zero, and an armed resistance would only have to be powerful enough to make a conflict unpalatable.
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>>58332761
It worked for Vietnam and Afghanistan.
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>>58333942
>pic
Jesus H Christ, when even AI can put 2+2 together, but the commoner cannot.
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>>58332761
The 2A is specifically to protect the state. Colonists who are armed would be more daunting for French debt collecting or future military action from king George… it is patently absurd to think it was a sort of safeguard advocating armed secession. Now that the US has a professional military it is largely outdated but sovereign citizens still harp on it to justify their gun collecting.
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>>58332761
>we will nuke you goy if you try to shoot us
>on jan 6 larping boomers almost collapsed the country without any weapons
which do i believe
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>>58335544
A war in which the boys in blue died more than the greys by a factor of 2
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The US military? The same military that has been having recent recruitment issues for years? The same military that can't keep people long term? The same military that hasn't defeated a partisan force, ever?

I suppose nobody can do anything against that
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I mean realistically the government could just nuke itself and the rest of country out of spite if they were ever petty enough to believe "If I can't have it then you can't either, neener neener!" but otherwise a government relies on the participation of it's citizens to continue going on and waging war against your own citizenry is the most retarded thing you do in that situation.
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Then it doesn't matter what weapons the defender has, because it's not possible to defend against a large-scale nuclear attack. Since every missile on the attacking side can pack multiple re-entry vehicles, but the defender needs to launch a missile to destroy each one, the attacker can easily overwhelm any missile defence with only a fraction of the cost, even if you assume a 100% success rate on your anti-missile missiles.
This is how the doctrine of mutually assured destruction came to be. The US or the USSR cannot stop the opponent from utterly destroying them at any moment, but they can ensure that the opponent will also be destroyed if it tries.
Since in this thought experiment, we're assuming that the ultimate goal of the US government is not survival, but the exact opposite, nuclear deterrence actually works against us. Even if every American citizen had his own personal nuclear second strike capability, this would only make it easier for the government to commit genocide, not harder.
In this scenario, I would say the Second Amendment doesn't work at all.
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>>58335917
Fascinating!
Now please explain how you plan to go about manufacturing the projectiles for said recoilless launcher, ones capable of meaningfully being used against enemy armored vehicles, fortifications and emplacements (These being the primary for such a weapon)
Ideally, they should have a level of user mortality lower than the average game of russian roulette.
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>>58332761
Just rambling from some non-burger, from what I've seen of prospective secessionists.

Popular support is key. I cannot. You need the common people to think you are the best decision, and that. The less violence you use, the better. Violence is demonising to the public. Ghandi didn't use violence. Mussolini didn't (At least until he got into power then, hoo boy did he). Make . Provoke sympathisers in the police and military. You cannot win a protracted conflict, and you should not try to.

One sees posters say that instead of targeting military targets or other actual warfare, they will strike where the target is soft. This takes the form of murdering the wives and children of police and servicemen, in the hopes of threatening. Cartel style.
I cannot stress the absolute PR nightmare that something like that would do for your cause. People will despise you. It will also let the government take more extreme measures, because you "lowered the bar" already. This isn't to mention the soldiers and police who might have been sympathetic to your cause growing very distant on realising you are more than happy to kill them.

You would also have to be mindful to suppress the more extreme elements of your ranks.
You know, the kind that thought the Turner Diaries were onto something, and talk a little too keenly about ww2-era German weapons and tactics.
If it goes from a matter of individuals or states rights to very clearly one of racial supremacy, or that your supposed rebellion from the tyrannical federal government is for the purpose of establishing fascism, you can kiss any modicum of support from minorities or libertarian types goodbye. And there's quite a few of both of those in the US, last I hear.
But then, I'm sure that your moderate rebellious movement will not be taken over by political extremists making it a far cry from your hopes, and with you imprisoned or purged for being part of the old guard. That's never happened in the history of revolutions.
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>>58348761
American secessionists aren't actually interested in political change. They don't form political organizations to change or take over the system. It's a historicized excuse for their anarchist fantasies about murdering cops' kids.
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>>58332761
If you're still clinging onto naive fantasies where the brave oppressed masses rise up against the corrupt elite, led by a titular hero riding in on a white horse, you need to come back down to reality, if only for the sake of your mental health. You are not up against people; you are facing what has since become a fundamental force of nature.

The powers that be are here to stay. You are subject to the perfect enslavement machine honed by generations of economic and military research. The arrival of the digital age has heralded the point of no return. There is no going back. Every contingency, and every last deviation has been accounted for.

Revolution, by any means, is impossible. Any would-be dissidents are subject to all-encompassing surveillance at all times, with data fed into precognitive AI run on quantum supercomputers that can identify an individual's threat level based on the very most trivial habits. They will know your secrets that you haven't told a soul to and planned to carry to your grave. If you have any qualms against the agenda, no matter how slight, they will know.

Federal surveillance and infiltration has made organizing and training impossible. Any poor individuals consumed by their vain defiance to lash out at the system will never become martyrs thanks to the nigh-absolute control of the media and its narratives disseminated to the masses. Any organized resistance that does manage to form will be doomed to be crushed and swept under the rug.

Why am I telling you this? For your own good. Denial is only going to degrade your already fragile mental state even further. Don't throw your life away in vain trying to fight a force beyond the scope of mortal man. The truth is excruciatingly painful, but all in all you're better off just accepting it and letting go.
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>>58345359
Noriega and Saddam beg to differ with this tankie cope.
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>Any would-be dissidents are subject to all-encompassing surveillance at all times, with data fed into precognitive AI run on quantum supercomputers that can identify an individual's threat level based on the very most trivial habits.
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>>58348214
Based.
Fuck the government.
Fuck D.C.
Fuck the bootlickers who want a mafia-style "u*ion" (at gunpoint) with rat-faced kikes in New York, Chicago and L.A.
Fuck the godless U.S of Gay.
May The Lord heap every curse upon Her and the dogs feast upon her flesh.
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>>58350071
This sort of hubris reminds me of East Germany.
When the wall fell the details of their secret police began coming out.
The East Germans were monitoring approximately a third of their entire populace, having used children as informants against teachers, teachers against students, both against parents, friends against friends and on and on.
They had clothing samples for dogs, they had photos, they had descriptions, they were tapping phones, etc.
The problem is that they overloaded themselves with data and suspects.
Our government will likely do the same, even with AI assistance, they just won't have the personnel for the task that they set themselves to.
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I like how Kyle and his family were big into Blue Lives Matter, and the cops took him in the instant he was identified. The police don’t HAVE to arrest him, the chief of police could have gave even the governor the finger if he had wanted to. The cops could have said "no way he’s good people" but they didn’t. Let that be a cautionary tale for cop-worshippers.
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lol, This schizo is hilarious, every time he posts i can't help but picture him, a frog on his computer poorly LARPing as an American.
>i am joe mchamburger from the department of Missouri, and i am close friends with the gendarmes of le grande united statesian army, and they all say that if you provincials dare to rise-up against the president de America, then you will be put down as the revolutionary dogs that you are
and the best part is, is that he actually thinks its a good impression of the average American.
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>>58350213
Rule of law comes with due process that needs to be respected, Rittenhouse was taken in for processing and the rest of the judicial processing, he was not brutalized, he was not paraded through town and lynched.

You god damn retarded schizos will be the absolute downfall of civilization.
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>>58350071
You cant even type the word Militia, properly.
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>>58333865
>posts a guy who got 15 years

He's winning bigly
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>>58333942
Bullshit that the GPT actually wrote that, its made to be toothless and avoid political discourse. Also cant make good rhymes for shit, I've tried. It also touches upon the numerous points people here use far too cleanly and succintly (Namedropping liberals was a touch too far, I feel)
Someone wrote it, then made it look like the AI wrote it to give it an air of authority.
also:
>R Slash Political compass memes colours
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>>58350071
What you're describing here is a highly competent and efficient political machine, single-minded in its purpose and using all its tools to their fullest to further its goals. Looking at the state of the world, I'd say that that's not very likely.
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>>58350089
>panama
>war
also panama is still a dictator run communist hell hole
I'm pretty sure the terrorists are in control of iraq and afghanistan right now, you communist faggot
>>58350071
>reddit spacing
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>>58350138
>Fuck the bootlickers who want a mafia-style "u*ion" (at gunpoint) with rat-faced kikes in New York, Chicago and L.A.
The American South is a land of inbred fucking savages whose highest ideal for a state is "Europe, but Worse". We keep having to shove civilization down your throats because it's the only way you fucktards learn. Next time the south "rises again", we won't be so nice in the aftermath like we were the first time.
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>>58351028
Yet yankee kikes can't stop coming here
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>>58351028
And you're a fucking nigger
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>>58332761
A running man
may slit a thousand throats
in a single night.

>old klingon proverb

Does everyone sleep? Do their families sleep? Do the security guards protecting them sleep? Do *their* families sleep? Do the people who serve them the very products & services which contemporary first-worlders take for granted (and which, without, said first-worlders would, like, totally freak out, scoob) sleep? Do their families sleep? Are you sleeping right now? Are people helpless while asleep? Do *I* sleep while you are asleep? Do *I* have clean socks & sneakers? Do *I* have a sharp object at hand? Do others share such of these traits as *I* do? Do others put on their running shoes, track suits, baseball caps, sunglasses & headphones, along with face masks (COVID-19 never ended, guize), and go for dusk/dawn jogs through certain (((neighborhoods)))?

Do I make myself clear? Do you think that you can hide anywhere on earth from us? Go deep into the earth, and we may find your atmospheric exchange vents, and threaten to seal them with cement to suffocate you (so you probably have nuclear powered atmosphere scrubbers and an entire enclosed collection of interconnected ecosystems down there, thusly needing no airshafts, just like... the reptoids...). Please, by all means, *leave* earth aboard those fancy rocket ships your boy Elon & company are throwing up (if they're not all just an enormous hustle or hoax), become Moonpeople or Martians or whatever on some other globe {protip: if you don't; we happily shall, never to return nor trouble you or earth ever again, letting by-gones be by-gones, and getting the fuck out of this solar system entirely on our congenital europoid quest to travel beyond the furthest galaxy and cross beyond the bounds of this cosmos and maybe pay welcoming beings such as "God" & [REDACTED] et al a visit}.

>tl;dr: t. ONE wildly unhinged undiagnosed schizoid former combat arms soldier psychic lone wolf domestic tourist among MILLIONS.
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>>58348189
So no, you don't own any guns. Every time. I bet you're not allowed to deny the holocaust in your thirdie country either
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>>58348240
Why does every single post that takes the incredibly stupid view that the government has a chance against the people in an armed society have the same exact typing style?
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>>58350923
Pretty sure the U.S walked off with two national leaders and had one hanged and the other locked up for life.
Keep coping, not my fault the U.S runs so hard that a whole ass invasion doesn't qualify as a war in your (dim) mind because it was over so fast.
>communist
Lol!
Lmao even!
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>>58350213
>the cops took him in the instant he was identified
Kyle Rittenhouse literally walked up to the police, said "these guys were trying to kill me, I feared for my life, I had to use my weapon" and turned himself in. In a state where he knew he had done nothing wrong, and was proving it by having his day in court. He wasn't going to run off like a fugitive, he stood up on his hind legs and said "this is what I did and why" in front of the whole country, was exonerated, and became a hero as a result.
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>>58350283
I don't know which is funnier, angry Steelefag where he starts ranting about how we're all going to kill ourselves and the NRA is going to jail, or Steelefag in full delusions of grandeur where he's claiming to be a secret agent who owns a million guns that he can't post who has Romney and Pelosi on speed dial.
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>>58351028
The next time the South rises, the judaic north will never regain control, and we'll mail you your sons severed genitals, teeth, hands and feet.
But don't worry, he'll still be alive
It took them 4 years to beat shoeless farmers whom you wrongly regard as "inbred", and the only effect was
>People you didn't like in a region you don't care about had to stay in an inperial "union".
>Now you have free-range niggers periodically burning your cities.
Bravo.
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>>58348686
>>58348761
>>58350048
>>58350071
>>58350178
>>58351028
See >>58352454
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>>58352503
>South
>North
Weird how someone with this exact strawman shows up every time Steelefag does, someone who acts like the most depraved caricature of a vatnik, and who coincidentally thinks the next US conflict will be over the Mason-Dixon line when the entire actual populace of the country knows that it's the South and Midwest fighting the Coasts and New England.
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>>58350283
Clinical narcissism (narcissism and psychopathy are identified strongly with left wing politics, by the way), he is functionally incapable of processing the idea that you might see through him, because in his mind he has to be smarter than you, he is an enlightened Eurosocialist and you are le burgre unsophisticate`d
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>>58352519
>who acts like the most depraved caricature of a vatnik
Seems like a reasonable fellow to me.
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>>58352519
>New England.
Are you retarded?
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>>58352591
The fact that you manage to out yourself as foreign literally every single time astounds me. Even Armatard had successful threads and he lived like an animal in a tiny commieblock in Moscow.
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>>58352461
yeah, I am sure the communist forces under brandon and the dems will just arrest the human leader and that will be the end of the rebellion and it won't go on for 20 years with a US defeat like the korean war, vietnam, and the GWOT did
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>>58352461
>Korean War
>a loss
Stop responding to yourself, thirdie faggot. This false dichotomy you try to push is retarded, where either the US is militarily incompetent and a crumbling empire OR it can crush its own people who live around the military and politician's families and can never be stopped and we should all turn in our guns and hail Karl Marx as our savior. It's fucking stupid. It makes no sense, and "coincidentally" this is the tack that comes up in each and every thread. You are not subtle, you are not clever, you are a piss-poor shill as stale and inorganic as David Hogg's anti-gun meme lab back when that was a thing. Fuck off, and kill yourself.
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>>58352642
New England is blue but do you really expect fucking Maine and Vermont to be major players in the war?
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>>58352731
Every time, the cry goes up, the thirdie squeal of "mutt!" The moment you are challenged, your facade of being a "patriotic American" just absolutely disintegrates, again, and again, and again, because you are a French autist who cried over Star Wars flopping to the point where you got bullied off /tv/.
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>>58352718
you are replying to 2 different people, retard. Illiterates goat fuckers btfo the USA in Korea, Vietnam and GWOT. All of them ended in a strategic goat fucker victory. a civil war II in the usa would more likely result in the jewish communists in the government being assassinated then it would a successful occupation of middle America
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>>58352723
>do I want to herd people who voted for Bernie into a minefield
Yes.
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>>58352723
It isn't really a state thing. The only thing for the red vs blue as states that matters if if the governor can retain control over his state's nasty girls. Otherwise all the rural counties in the country are red and all the urban ones are blue
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>>58352749
Yes two different people who just happen to show up shilling against the US in the same way in every thread, with the exact same historical illiteracy
>Korea
The US won, the only one who's ever seriously denied it is a chink almost as autistic as you who lives in Michigan, and his argument is a single battle where afterwards the US completely slaughtered the overextended Chinese forces.
>Vietnam
Militarily the Viets were broken after the Tet Offensive, the political will to keep killing random rice farmers was just gone back home and campaigning on ending the war got more votes than campaigning to continue it.
>GWOT
Iraq is still in US hands despite whatever cope thirdies throw around, and Afghanistan is no longer a functioning state, but a mess of different local tribal factions. Cry into your goat's asshole. The fact that the US would inevitably win an insurgency against its own government, which does not have two fucking oceans between them and the people who want them dead, is irrelevant to the point you are trying to shill. Which, incidentally, we know is disingenuous because you fucked up keeping your persona of being two different people here >>58352731
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>>58352811
I've posted like 3 times in this thread you literal retard and only replied because that retarded communist said the US won wars since WWII
>The US won, the only one who's ever seriously denied it is a chink almost as autistic as you who lives in Michigan, and his argument is a single battle where afterwards the US completely slaughtered the overextended Chinese forces.
The US got pushed back to the prewar borders after invading all the way up to the chinese border and then called a cease fire giving the commies control of the north, and then bill clinton gave the commies nukes and now the norks have atomic weapons capable of hitting US allies and possibly main land USA
>Militarily the Viets were broken after the Tet Offensive, the political will to keep killing random rice farmers was just gone back home and campaigning on ending the war got more votes than campaigning to continue it.
aka, a strategic goat fucker victory as they gained control over the peninsula and only recently fell to McDonalds
>Iraq is still in US hands despite whatever cope thirdies throw around
maybe the cities, but we both know the iraqi army is shit and all the rural areas are controlled by the terrorists again
>and Afghanistan is no longer a functioning state, but a mess of different local tribal factions.
aka, a strategic goat fucker victory
>Cry into your goat's asshole.
I think that is something you should do, communist fed faggot. The American people will defeat you, just like the goat fuckers beat you
> The fact that the US would inevitably win an insurgency against its own government, which does not have two fucking oceans between them and the people who want them dead, is irrelevant to the point you are trying to shill.
its very relevant that goat fuckers keep btfoing out the army.
>Which, incidentally, we know is disingenuous because you fucked up keeping your persona of being two different people here >>58352731
thats not me, faggot
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>>58352811
Afghanistan was the greatest CIA op ever. Right now the Taliban is...
>harassing Pakistan and harboring anti-government Pakistani militants
>fighting border skirmishes with Iran
All coincidentally after Trump summoned the Taliban leadership to Camp David, after all of that US gear was just...left there for the Taliban to use. You notice who isn't being fucked with? Every country that touched the big glowing globe at Trump's peace conference. Wow. What a funny, silly, interesting coincidence. Almost as if, after two decades of realizing that no matter how hard the US beat up the Taliban, Pashtun tribes would still want independence and decided to give it to them to achieve their aims instead. Almost as if glowies are operating the exact same way they are in Ukraine right now.
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>>58352740
>your facade of being a "patriotic American"
Who the fuck claimed to be a patriotic American? I despise the United Sodomites and I hate the American version of vatniks. Equally low-iq
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>>58352904
>the US got pushed back to the prewar borders
Stopped reading there. The US left the Chinese with the tiniest little buffer state imaginable to avoid having the open sore of an active US ally on the border. Every time I see the same cope from you whiny thirdies, and every time there are two things you fail to do. You do not post guns, because you can't own any, and you don't point out which battles exactly the US lost. The US has no interest in annexing foreign countries, and this baffles subhumans like you who still shove bottles up each other's asses over "clay", you have no idea what a modern victory looks like because your state has never successfully won a war. Look at yourself, all of the "we both knows", and "clearly X is true". You do a piss poor job of imitating an American patriot by trying to conflate American foreign and domestic policy. You are not one of us, you will never be white, and you don't know what "strategic victory" is because you just called having your state reduced to individual tribes whose only coordination coincidentally helps the CIA at every turn a "strategic victory." Your "multipolar" thirdie dream is not parallel to the patriot's ideal of a Pax Americana under a reformed, BASED US where we make every single one of our allies institute their own 1A and 2A, it runs entirely counter to that, creating endless expensive foreign wars for us to deal with and the potential of a major foreign rival down the line. Unfucking our government is entirely separate, but being a thirdie you are fundamentally incapable of getting that because in your shithole the government, not the people, IS the state.
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>>58352915
You have no guns and you're brown you spic monkey.
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>>58352992
Boiling
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>>58353081
You're welcome to prove me wrong at any time. You won't.
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>>58353108
Lol a yankee weeb



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